Yeah, Vance is a real "intellectual" with genuine bona fides.
Speaking to the right-wing pundit, Vance, who raised money in support of January 6 insurrectionists, came up with the wild assertion that his opponent, Democratic U.S. Rep. Tim Ryan, had plans to bring undocumented immigrants into the country to turn them into transgender people.
It's no mystery why he was selected. At least he's only appealing to the current cultists and will unlikely be attracting the "undecided" voters. Social media goons have already started talking about Vance's wife, so it'll be interesting to see how that goes.
Smoove_B wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:10 am
Social media goons have already started talking about Vance's wife, so it'll be interesting to see how that goes.
Smoove_B wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:10 am
Yeah, Vance is a real "intellectual" with genuine bona fides.
Speaking to the right-wing pundit, Vance, who raised money in support of January 6 insurrectionists, came up with the wild assertion that his opponent, Democratic U.S. Rep. Tim Ryan, had plans to bring undocumented immigrants into the country to turn them into transgender people.
It's no mystery why he was selected. At least he's only appealing to the current cultists and will unlikely be attracting the "undecided" voters. Social media goons have already started talking about Vance's wife, so it'll be interesting to see how that goes.
I mean, he's an intellectual of sorts. He's definitely smart and educated, it's just that he's also very ambitious and power hungry and appears to have no moral center to speak of.
He'll talk a good game when not preaching to the converted and he's got a very strong backing from the private equity robber baron oligarchy masking itself as pro economy "founders". Honestly, that's why I think he may not be as much of a Trumpublican as he swears he is. He's not trustworthy and TFG does not butter his bread. The guys who destroyed mid sized banking and profited before and after for a good long while do. He'd be more of a "Federalist" loyalist than anything else if he is not directly accountable to the PayPal Mafia and their ilk.
Vance is 5'7". Trump chose him because he's like a chubbier, shorter version of Don Jr.
Standing next to Vance will make Trump look taller and slimmer during appearances.
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I'm sorry, there's no way to spin Vance as a "good" pick for Trump from a strategic standpoint. This is a guy who is deeply unpopular among Appalachia, his own words against Trump are going to be used in every campaign ad from here to the election, and his associations with Project 2025 are well-known and will also be used against him.
I know the counterpoint is that Vance is supposed to rob Biden of the working class/union support, but I'm deeply skeptical it's going to pay the dividends he thinks it will. I think Donny Jr totally screwed his dad's campaign over. It may not be enough to sway the election Biden's way, but it certainly didn't do Trump any favors.
Vance doesn't have as much charisma as Palin did, though ironically he's a much better thinker and speaker. OtOH, Tea Party conservatives liked Palin (and TFG) because she's not well spoken and she's folksy, so you know what she means rather than listening to what she actually says. OtOOH, without being folksy, Vance knows how to tell you what he means without saying it, though OtOOOH he seems to have a much bigger dark (money and power) side and that's apparent to anyone who tangles with who he his for more than 10 seconds.
So does anyone question why Pence was the right guy for the job before but he's not now?
YellowKing wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 1:17 pm
I'm sorry, there's no way to spin Vance as a "good" pick for Trump from a strategic standpoint. This is a guy who is deeply unpopular among Appalachia, his own words against Trump are going to be used in every campaign ad from here to the election, and his associations with Project 2025 are well-known and will also be used against him.
I know the counterpoint is that Vance is supposed to rob Biden of the working class/union support, but I'm deeply skeptical it's going to pay the dividends he thinks it will. I think Donny Jr totally screwed his dad's campaign over. It may not be enough to sway the election Biden's way, but it certainly didn't do Trump any favors.
I agree - politically Vance is probably among the worse picks that Trump could have made. The advantages to Trump from picking him are more substantive - Vance knows he's there to be Trump's crazy toady, and he won't decline to do things because of "morals" and whatnot.
It’s about the money. Vance gets Trump California dot-com money.
He’s willing to take the loyalty oath and “serve at the pleasure” of Trump. That ambition makes him predictable.
His youth and inexperience are future assets — he’ll still need the Trump approval to stay in the game.
Being young and white are contrasts to Kamala. His wife doesn’t matter — Melania didn’t matter either.
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Zarathud wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 2:15 pm
His youth and inexperience are future assets
Yes, unlike the Democrats, they seem to be thinking "next steps" in preparing the voting public for the next generation of awful candidates (that aren't eligible for social security).
Trump may need a future pardon. You know it was discussed during selection.
"A lie can run round the world before the truth has got its boots on." -Terry Pratchett, The Truth "The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to those who think they've found it." -Terry Pratchett, Monstrous Regiment
Let's say Trump/Vance are in the White House. Trump wants to pardon himself, but even the Roberts court feels wary about ruling on that.
Trump announces that he's going under anesthesia for a minor procedure (whether he does so or not, his WH physician will sign off on it), thus temporarily passing the powers of the presidency to his VP. At that point, can acting-President Vance pardon him?
he’ll get the Supreme Court to rule that the two term limit only applies to consecutive terms.
I also expect that we’ll see a Republican expansion of the Supreme Court to fit in all the judges and lawyers who’ve helped trump delay his criminal charges.
Unagi wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 1:09 pm
Ah, okay - sorry. I wasn't sure what else there may have been.
First article I've seen, albeit from a zombie news source.
Usha Vance, the daughter of Indian immigrants, was raised in San Diego before meeting her husband at Yale Law School. They were married in 2014 and later blessed by a Hindu pundit in a separate ceremony, The New York Times reported.
In the wake of Trump's vice presidential announcement on Monday, numerous conservative and far-right figures have taken to social media to launch racist attacks against Usha Vance because of her Indian heritage and the assumption that her influence on her husband's political career means the Republican Party will be softer on immigration.
Note:
After graduating from Yale in 2013, Usha Vance worked as a clerk for Brett Kavanaugh, now an associate justice on the Supreme Court, when he served as an appeals court judge in Washington, D.C. She also worked as a law clerk to Chief Justice John Roberts.
The reason he has six fingers in that image is so that if someone says "you can count how many times Trump has been in a church on one hand" they can be technically correct.
LordMortis wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 6:02 pm
From my FB feed... "Watching the Thin Blue Line crowd voting for a felon while the ACAB crowd vote for a cop..."
LordMortis wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 6:02 pm
From my FB feed... "Watching the Thin Blue Line crowd voting for a felon while the ACAB crowd vote for a cop..."
Timing is everything. After George Floyd DA was a dirty moniker. After Agent Orange trials it is respected.
Vance is apparently the least liked VP nominee since 1980. Gives me some hope that our democratic system has some vitality, since apparently people are still able to sniff out what a gigantic turd Vance is.
Vance is apparently the least liked VP nominee since 1980. Gives me some hope that our democratic system has some vitality, since apparently people are still able to sniff out what a gigantic turd Vance is.
Also I gotta think some voters will think twice before electing a hillbilly couch fucker to be one bucket of KFC from the presidency.
Jaymann wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 3:03 pm
Also I gotta think some voters will think twice before electing a hillbilly couch fuckermisogynist techno-fascist Wall Streeter to be one bucket of KFC from the presidency.
Jaymann wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 3:03 pm
Also I gotta think some voters will think twice before electing a hillbilly couch fuckermisogynist techno-fascist Wall Streeter to be one bucket of KFC from the presidency.
When darkness veils the world, four Warriors of Light shall come.
Why dont presidents have multiple vice presidents?
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When in doubt, skewer it out...I don't know.
VP is actually not a very exciting or influential job. There are reasons why someone might want to give it one term and then move on.
But it's also the case that nomination rules have changed throughout American history. IIUC, a few decades ago the Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates were nominated separately at the convention. It was understood that the delegates might support the winning Prez candidate but choose someone else for VP.
A number of Presidents have been saddled with VPs they didn't pick.
Holman wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 6:42 pm
VP is actually not a very exciting or influential job. There are reasons why someone might want to give it one term and then move on.
But it's also the case that nomination rules have changed throughout American history. IIUC, a few decades ago the Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates were nominated separately at the convention. It was understood that the delegates might support the winning Prez candidate but choose someone else for VP.
A number of Presidents have been saddled with VPs they didn't pick.
Early Presidents were saddled with their defeated rival as their Vice-President. It would have been really interesting in a horrific way to have Trump as Biden's VP.
