Yeah, Vance is a real "intellectual" with genuine bona fides.
Speaking to the right-wing pundit, Vance, who raised money in support of January 6 insurrectionists, came up with the wild assertion that his opponent, Democratic U.S. Rep. Tim Ryan, had plans to bring undocumented immigrants into the country to turn them into transgender people.
It's no mystery why he was selected. At least he's only appealing to the current cultists and will unlikely be attracting the "undecided" voters. Social media goons have already started talking about Vance's wife, so it'll be interesting to see how that goes.
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:14 am
by Unagi
Smoove_B wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:10 am
Social media goons have already started talking about Vance's wife, so it'll be interesting to see how that goes.
What's 'the dirt' on her?
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:19 am
by Smoove_B
There's no "dirt"; she's non-white.
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:35 am
by El Guapo
Smoove_B wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:10 am
Yeah, Vance is a real "intellectual" with genuine bona fides.
Speaking to the right-wing pundit, Vance, who raised money in support of January 6 insurrectionists, came up with the wild assertion that his opponent, Democratic U.S. Rep. Tim Ryan, had plans to bring undocumented immigrants into the country to turn them into transgender people.
It's no mystery why he was selected. At least he's only appealing to the current cultists and will unlikely be attracting the "undecided" voters. Social media goons have already started talking about Vance's wife, so it'll be interesting to see how that goes.
I mean, he's an intellectual of sorts. He's definitely smart and educated, it's just that he's also very ambitious and power hungry and appears to have no moral center to speak of.
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:48 am
by LordMortis
He'll talk a good game when not preaching to the converted and he's got a very strong backing from the private equity robber baron oligarchy masking itself as pro economy "founders". Honestly, that's why I think he may not be as much of a Trumpublican as he swears he is. He's not trustworthy and TFG does not butter his bread. The guys who destroyed mid sized banking and profited before and after for a good long while do. He'd be more of a "Federalist" loyalist than anything else if he is not directly accountable to the PayPal Mafia and their ilk.
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 12:03 pm
by LawBeefaroni
Vance is 5'7". Trump chose him because he's like a chubbier, shorter version of Don Jr.
Standing next to Vance will make Trump look taller and slimmer during appearances.
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 1:00 pm
by hepcat
I'm pretty sure at some point Trump will make Vance take his shirt off so he can make fun of his jelly rolls in front of the audience.
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 1:09 pm
by Unagi
Smoove_B wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:19 am
There's no "dirt"; she's non-white.
Ah, okay - sorry. I wasn't sure what else there may have been.
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 1:17 pm
by YellowKing
I'm sorry, there's no way to spin Vance as a "good" pick for Trump from a strategic standpoint. This is a guy who is deeply unpopular among Appalachia, his own words against Trump are going to be used in every campaign ad from here to the election, and his associations with Project 2025 are well-known and will also be used against him.
I know the counterpoint is that Vance is supposed to rob Biden of the working class/union support, but I'm deeply skeptical it's going to pay the dividends he thinks it will. I think Donny Jr totally screwed his dad's campaign over. It may not be enough to sway the election Biden's way, but it certainly didn't do Trump any favors.
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 1:33 pm
by gilraen
Hey, if Vance turns out to be Trump's Sarah Palin - I'm all for it.
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 1:48 pm
by LordMortis
Vance doesn't have as much charisma as Palin did, though ironically he's a much better thinker and speaker. OtOH, Tea Party conservatives liked Palin (and TFG) because she's not well spoken and she's folksy, so you know what she means rather than listening to what she actually says. OtOOH, without being folksy, Vance knows how to tell you what he means without saying it, though OtOOOH he seems to have a much bigger dark (money and power) side and that's apparent to anyone who tangles with who he his for more than 10 seconds.
So does anyone question why Pence was the right guy for the job before but he's not now?
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 1:56 pm
by El Guapo
YellowKing wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 1:17 pm
I'm sorry, there's no way to spin Vance as a "good" pick for Trump from a strategic standpoint. This is a guy who is deeply unpopular among Appalachia, his own words against Trump are going to be used in every campaign ad from here to the election, and his associations with Project 2025 are well-known and will also be used against him.
I know the counterpoint is that Vance is supposed to rob Biden of the working class/union support, but I'm deeply skeptical it's going to pay the dividends he thinks it will. I think Donny Jr totally screwed his dad's campaign over. It may not be enough to sway the election Biden's way, but it certainly didn't do Trump any favors.
I agree - politically Vance is probably among the worse picks that Trump could have made. The advantages to Trump from picking him are more substantive - Vance knows he's there to be Trump's crazy toady, and he won't decline to do things because of "morals" and whatnot.
Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 2:15 pm
by Zarathud
It’s about the money. Vance gets Trump California dot-com money.
He’s willing to take the loyalty oath and “serve at the pleasure” of Trump. That ambition makes him predictable.
His youth and inexperience are future assets — he’ll still need the Trump approval to stay in the game.
Being young and white are contrasts to Kamala. His wife doesn’t matter — Melania didn’t matter either.
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 2:17 pm
by Smoove_B
Zarathud wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 2:15 pm
His youth and inexperience are future assets
Yes, unlike the Democrats, they seem to be thinking "next steps" in preparing the voting public for the next generation of awful candidates (that aren't eligible for social security).
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 2:19 pm
by Zarathud
Trump may need a future pardon. You know it was discussed during selection.
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 2:26 pm
by LordMortis
Zarathud wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 2:15 pm
It’s about the money. Vance gets Trump California dot-com money.
Money and the pledge. Though it remains to be seen if his loyalty is to the pledge to dot com money/power.
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 2:27 pm
by Chraolic
Unagi wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:10 am
Imagine a world with a VP whos first name is a pair of letters.
DJ Trump and JD Vance sounds like the world's whitest rap duo.
Unagi wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:10 am
Imagine a world with a VP whos first name is a pair of letters.
DJ Trump and JD Vance sounds like the world's whitest rap duo.
I have to come clean and say that I'm currently digging what Gov. JB Pritzker is putting down.
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 6:36 pm
by Holman
Weird scenario that popped into my head:
Let's say Trump/Vance are in the White House. Trump wants to pardon himself, but even the Roberts court feels wary about ruling on that.
Trump announces that he's going under anesthesia for a minor procedure (whether he does so or not, his WH physician will sign off on it), thus temporarily passing the powers of the presidency to his VP. At that point, can acting-President Vance pardon him?
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 7:23 pm
by waitingtoconnect
More likely trump will do a Putin.
he’ll get the Supreme Court to rule that the two term limit only applies to consecutive terms.
I also expect that we’ll see a Republican expansion of the Supreme Court to fit in all the judges and lawyers who’ve helped trump delay his criminal charges.
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:13 pm
by YellowKing
I'm skeptical his syphilis-addled brain can last 4 more years, much less 8.
Unagi wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 1:09 pm
Ah, okay - sorry. I wasn't sure what else there may have been.
First article I've seen, albeit from a zombie news source.
Usha Vance, the daughter of Indian immigrants, was raised in San Diego before meeting her husband at Yale Law School. They were married in 2014 and later blessed by a Hindu pundit in a separate ceremony, The New York Times reported.
In the wake of Trump's vice presidential announcement on Monday, numerous conservative and far-right figures have taken to social media to launch racist attacks against Usha Vance because of her Indian heritage and the assumption that her influence on her husband's political career means the Republican Party will be softer on immigration.
Note:
After graduating from Yale in 2013, Usha Vance worked as a clerk for Brett Kavanaugh, now an associate justice on the Supreme Court, when he served as an appeals court judge in Washington, D.C. She also worked as a law clerk to Chief Justice John Roberts.
What a coincidence!
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:21 pm
by hepcat
waitingtoconnect wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 3:39 am
Daddy AI Trump will be with you .. always…
The reason he has six fingers in that image is so that if someone says "you can count how many times Trump has been in a church on one hand" they can be technically correct.
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2024 7:45 pm
by Holman
Here's the invaluable Aaron Rupar's thread covering the final night of the RNC:
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2024 6:02 pm
by LordMortis
From my FB feed... "Watching the Thin Blue Line crowd voting for a felon while the ACAB crowd vote for a cop..."
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2024 6:15 pm
by Unagi
LordMortis wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 6:02 pm
From my FB feed... "Watching the Thin Blue Line crowd voting for a felon while the ACAB crowd vote for a cop..."
LordMortis wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 6:02 pm
From my FB feed... "Watching the Thin Blue Line crowd voting for a felon while the ACAB crowd vote for a cop..."
Timing is everything. After George Floyd DA was a dirty moniker. After Agent Orange trials it is respected.
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 12:07 am
by Jaymann
Musk backs off of money promise to Agent Orange.
Edit: The bad news just keeps piling up for the Orange Turd. One can only hope the men with extra long sleeve jackets have to come for him soon.
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 12:08 pm
by El Guapo
Vance is apparently the least liked VP nominee since 1980. Gives me some hope that our democratic system has some vitality, since apparently people are still able to sniff out what a gigantic turd Vance is.
Vance is apparently the least liked VP nominee since 1980. Gives me some hope that our democratic system has some vitality, since apparently people are still able to sniff out what a gigantic turd Vance is.
Also I gotta think some voters will think twice before electing a hillbilly couch fucker to be one bucket of KFC from the presidency.
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 3:39 pm
by Holman
Jaymann wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 3:03 pm
Also I gotta think some voters will think twice before electing a hillbilly couch fuckermisogynist techno-fascist Wall Streeter to be one bucket of KFC from the presidency.
Jaymann wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 3:03 pm
Also I gotta think some voters will think twice before electing a hillbilly couch fuckermisogynist techno-fascist Wall Streeter to be one bucket of KFC from the presidency.
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 5:01 pm
by Unagi
Just cause one was a made-up lie that just becomes a strawman for actually true things.
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 6:13 pm
by Daehawk
Why dont presidents have multiple vice presidents?
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 6:22 pm
by Grifman
Daehawk wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 6:13 pm
Why dont presidents have multiple vice presidents?
Daehawk wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 6:13 pm
Why dont presidents have multiple vice presidents?
Because the Constitution doesn't allow it.
And why would multiple vice presidents be needed?
So if the President dies they could have a cage match.
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 6:35 pm
by Chraolic
Daehawk wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 6:13 pm
Why dont presidents have multiple vice presidents?
Well, they're not joined at the hip or anything. FDR had three VPs, just not at the same time.
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 6:42 pm
by Holman
VP is actually not a very exciting or influential job. There are reasons why someone might want to give it one term and then move on.
But it's also the case that nomination rules have changed throughout American history. IIUC, a few decades ago the Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates were nominated separately at the convention. It was understood that the delegates might support the winning Prez candidate but choose someone else for VP.
A number of Presidents have been saddled with VPs they didn't pick.
Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:03 am
by gbasden
Holman wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 6:42 pm
VP is actually not a very exciting or influential job. There are reasons why someone might want to give it one term and then move on.
But it's also the case that nomination rules have changed throughout American history. IIUC, a few decades ago the Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates were nominated separately at the convention. It was understood that the delegates might support the winning Prez candidate but choose someone else for VP.
A number of Presidents have been saddled with VPs they didn't pick.
Early Presidents were saddled with their defeated rival as their Vice-President. It would have been really interesting in a horrific way to have Trump as Biden's VP.
