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Unagi wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:36 pm pretty sure it's as simple as: liberals want masks - so if we mask up, then the liberals have won.

Yeah, it really does seem that simple in many instances. I wonder how well reverse psychology would work.

El Guapo wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:46 pm Can't we just give it back to Spain?

Belarus doesn’t even want it. And we offered to give them a free year of Xbox Gamepass Ultimate to boot.

It's like...there's an entire generation of people that doesn't want to acknowledge providing vaccination information for themselves or their kids as it relates to attending grade school and potentially college. This is not a new thing in our society. Sure, providing it to get on a plane or sit in a bar? Yeah, that's new. But the idea of demonstrating you're not a threat to public health? Not new.

Smoove_B wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:09 am It's like...there's an entire generation of people that doesn't want to acknowledge providing vaccination information for themselves or their kids as it relates to attending grade school and potentially college. This is not a new thing in our society. Sure, providing it to get on a plane or sit in a bar? Yeah, that's new. But the idea of demonstrating you're not a threat to public health? Not new.

So what you're saying is the you support slavery and birtherism?





Honestly I'm astonished at the resistance to any sort of vaccine passport. People willingly submit to have their every move tracked and identity verified by their phones but adding vaccination status to the mix is too much?

Big business tracking me is GOOD - it helps me buy the things I want. The Government tracking me is EVIL - they might take away the things I want.

My big concern with the idea of showing proof of vaccination is that I lost my official vaccine card (probably on the walk from my second shot back to the car). The place gave me an e-mail with all of the details, but I am concerned that people checking these things will reject it out of hand due to it not looking like the (easily forged) official vaccine card.

I get that - that is why it is disappointing that we can't have a more robust (perhaps digital) verification mechanism. But that's tyranny, mark of the beast territory.

ImLawBoy wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:59 am My big concern with the idea of showing proof of vaccination is that I lost my official vaccine card (probably on the walk from my second shot back to the car). The place gave me an e-mail with all of the details, but I am concerned that people checking these things will reject it out of hand due to it not looking like the (easily forged) official vaccine card.

I would hope any sort of vaccine passport would be more robust than, and a replacment for, the vaccine card anyway.

LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:10 am

ImLawBoy wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:59 am My big concern with the idea of showing proof of vaccination is that I lost my official vaccine card (probably on the walk from my second shot back to the car). The place gave me an e-mail with all of the details, but I am concerned that people checking these things will reject it out of hand due to it not looking like the (easily forged) official vaccine card.

I would hope any sort of vaccine passport would be more robust than, and a replacment for, the vaccine card anyway.

I'm still curious as to the thought process behind the design of the existing card. Eg, why wasn't it made to be wallet-sized? It's like it was designed specifically to be as inconvenient as possible while also being easy to forge and wholly ineffective.

Zaxxon wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:18 am I'm still curious as to the thought process behind the design of the existing card. Eg, why wasn't it made to be wallet-sized? It's like it was designed specifically to be as inconvenient as possible while also being easy to forge and wholly ineffective.

It's an anachronism. No one ever thought there would be a need to present vaccine paperwork as part of routine existence. The cards are designed to be maintained somewhere safe, Xerox copied when needed and then supplied to a school or a camp when necessary.

As malchior pointed out, this could easily be remedied with an app, but it won't be because Jesus.

ImLawBoy wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:59 am My big concern with the idea of showing proof of vaccination is that I lost my official vaccine card (probably on the walk from my second shot back to the car). The place gave me an e-mail with all of the details, but I am concerned that people checking these things will reject it out of hand due to it not looking like the (easily forged) official vaccine card.

Any legitimate agency can verify your vaccination status relatively easily, assuming your state is like mine. I am hoping that all states are moving toward what CA has done and what NYC is doing - allowing people to generate QR codes with their own records to allow for fast and easy verification on the go.

In terms of getting an actual replacement card, I'm surprised they emailed you and didn't arrange for a replacement card to be sent to you; that could just be standard procedure in your state or county. Apparently in your area it's not unusual to lose a card.

I did not know this about kids in South Carolina!

South Carolina Gov. Henry McMaster said in an interview with Fox News said kids “can’t learn” while wearing face masks in school, adding there is some “exaggeration” coming from health officials about the seriousness of the pandemic.

What's the plan?

“We’re going to let the parents decide, but there is no confusion among the parents,” he said. “We have seen what happens when these children are subjected to requiring masks so they can’t perform, they can’t learn. We’ve had enough damage to the education system already by virtual learning, which didn’t work at all. We’re really going to be digging out, all of us across the country, in these K-12 for years. But adding more fuel to the fire by requirements, which are not necessary, is not a smart thing to do, and we’re not going to do it.”

As a reminder:

Positive cases in South Carolina are the highest recorded since February as schools are gearing up to reopen, and South Carolina is among the lowest vaccinated states in the nation, with about 44% of residents being fully vaccinated as of early August, according to the S.C. Department of Health and Environmental Control.

Here's the thing: our governor is an idiot.

Smoove_B wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:20 am I did not know this about kids in South Carolina!

South Carolina Gov. Henry McMaster said in an interview with Fox News said kids “can’t learn” while wearing face masks in school, adding there is some “exaggeration” coming from health officials about the seriousness of the pandemic.

What's the plan?

“We’re going to let the parents decide, but there is no confusion among the parents,” he said. “We have seen what happens when these children are subjected to requiring masks so they can’t perform, they can’t learn. We’ve had enough damage to the education system already by virtual learning, which didn’t work at all. We’re really going to be digging out, all of us across the country, in these K-12 for years. But adding more fuel to the fire by requirements, which are not necessary, is not a smart thing to do, and we’re not going to do it.”

As a reminder:

Positive cases in South Carolina are the highest recorded since February as schools are gearing up to reopen, and South Carolina is among the lowest vaccinated states in the nation, with about 44% of residents being fully vaccinated as of early August, according to the S.C. Department of Health and Environmental Control.

Yes, we are very special here.

We really need a generous lawyer to sue the State. It should be illegal to block health measures designed like that. It is infuriating.

Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:29 am Here's the thing: our governor is an idiot.

I didn't realize there was a decade (or longer) of kids in masks in South Carolina, not learning. Someone should definitely look into this!

https://twitter.com/megtirrell/status/1 ... 5697966082

WH Covid Response team's Jeff Zients says Yelp today is announcing new feature allowing consumers to search for businesses with fully vaccinated workers or businesses that require proof of vaccination to enter

Smoove_B wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:09 pm https://twitter.com/megtirrell/status/1 ... 5697966082

WH Covid Response team's Jeff Zients says Yelp today is announcing new feature allowing consumers to search for businesses with fully vaccinated workers or businesses that require proof of vaccination to enter

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Smoove_B wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:09 pm https://twitter.com/megtirrell/status/1 ... 5697966082

WH Covid Response team's Jeff Zients says Yelp today is announcing new feature allowing consumers to search for businesses with fully vaccinated workers or businesses that require proof of vaccination to enter

I'll take Ways to Tank Your Yelp Rating for $1,000, Alex.

ImLawBoy wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:59 am My big concern with the idea of showing proof of vaccination is that I lost my official vaccine card (probably on the walk from my second shot back to the car). The place gave me an e-mail with all of the details, but I am concerned that people checking these things will reject it out of hand due to it not looking like the (easily forged) official vaccine card.

IIUC, you should be able to get a replacement card from the location you got vaccinated.

https://twitter.com/sarahposner/status/ ... 0529498116

Louisiana’s AG Jeff Landry, a Republican, is offering a form letter for parents who want to circumvent the mask requirement in K-12 schools, claiming masks interfere with “religious commands to share God’s love.”

God’s love results in pregnant girls.

Meanwhile in North Carolina

https://twitter.com/CathyJoeGPT/status/ ... 5570324480

"Is there a lawyer in the room? No? That's ok we don't need a lawyer..."


Famous last words.

All I can say is that parents in TX need to start suing the districts, school boards and possibly even the governor. This is bonkers.

https://twitter.com/wfaa/status/1423418544767787017

On Thursday, the Texas Education Agency released new guidance for schools on how to handle positive COVID-19 cases.

“I do not consent to forcing a face covering on my child, who is created in the image of God,” reads the form letter Landry suggests his employees use.

Lol? Thank goodness they don't live in a northern climate. They'd be riding the highway to Hell for a quarter of each year.

By logical extension, I think he's advocating for legalized public nudism.

What do parents do in a state like Florida where mask mandates aren't allowed. They could lose their job if they dont go to work or get in trouble if they dont send their kid to school right?>

Yegads. Thankfully I have this thread, which makes my district's not-great policies seem much less crazed than they would in isolation.

Meanwhile, yesterday was our school's meet-the-teacher / supply drop-off day in prep for school starting next week. Recall that our district is 'strongly encouraging' masking, but not requiring it. Also, that during the school board meeting earlier this week the superintendent was frequently shouted over by 'adults' with such original, enlightened thoughts as 'masks are child abuse!' and 'we refute the medical evidence!'

One of my two children's teachers had a mask on. About two-thirds of the kids I saw had them, and maybe half the parents. Desks are arranged in small groups facing one another.



Heaven help us and deliver the under-12 vaccine post-haste. It has become abundantly clear that slow-rolling the testing was a questionable choice, not because it's an incorrect medical opinion, but because we are actively sabotaging our children. If only that was foreseeable many months ago. At present the sole choices across much of the nation are home-school/remote-school your kids again (a decision that had to be made, in our case, many months ago) or risk their health. The priority is 'freedom' for those who wish to increase the risk of others at the expense of actual freedom for everyone else. I'd take slightly elevated vaccine risks over significantly elevated COVID risks for $1000, LeVar.

I know... I will now retire to my sobbing couch.

I'm here for one Republican governor throwing shade at another.

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1 ... 4804311044

Even adjusting for population Maryland is doing 10 times better in that metric.

How anti-vaxxers sound:

Well, after spending about 20 minutes cruising social media following the NJ Governor's announcement this afternoon that all K-12 institutions must implement mandatory mask policies, my faith in humanity just took another hit.

lol

I've never been happier to live in a liberal part of a liberal state.

Send help.

Isgrimnur wrote: Fri Aug 06, 2021 2:35 pmSend help.

Hey, man, there's room. Almost no one lives in the western part of the state, which is even more liberal than the liberal part that I'm in.

Ya my neck of the woods is not going to take the mask mandate very well. We'll see how many just say screw it and send the kids without them. You just know it's going to happen.

El Guapo wrote: Fri Aug 06, 2021 2:32 pm I've never been happier to live in a liberal part of a liberal state.

Ditto. It's pretty much a non issue here in the northwest corner of the northwest corner.

El Guapo wrote: Fri Aug 06, 2021 2:32 pm I've never been happier to live in a liberal part of a liberal state.

+1, and I live in one of the more conservative towns. Since 2017, I've thanked my lucky stars at least weekly, and the pandemic has only reinforced the feeling.