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Holman wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:04 pm Somehow I don't think Don Jr is holding up as well as HRC.

Donald Trump Jr. on Wednesday cited attorney-client privilege to avoid telling lawmakers about a conversation he had with his father, President Donald Trump, after news broke this summer that the younger Trump — and top campaign brass — had met with Russia-connected individuals in Trump Tower during the 2016 campaign.

Though neither Trump Jr. nor the president is an attorney, Trump Jr. told the House Intelligence Committee that there was a lawyer in the room during the discussion, according to the committee’s top Democrat, Rep. Adam Schiff of California. Schiff said he didn’t think it was a legitimate invocation of attorney-client privilege.

Sepiche wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:54 pm So... this just happened...

Rep. Adam Schiff of California. Schiff said he didn’t think it was a legitimate invocation of attorney-client privilege.

GreenGoo wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:33 pm

Sepiche wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:54 pm So... this just happened...

Rep. Adam Schiff of California. Schiff said he didn’t think it was a legitimate invocation of attorney-client privilege.

Ya think?

Did they at least get the name of the lawyer?

Max Peck wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:54 pm The White House is denying that Mueller subpoenaed bank records specifically relating to Trump, not that he subpoenaed bank records at all.

GreenGoo wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:55 pm If I were a lawyer (or doctor!) I'd walk around listening in on random conversations, then complain about privilege every time someone tried later to talk about the details of the conversation.

GreenGoo wrote:I have nothing but a vague idea about how attorney-client privilege works, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't just turn on because a lawyer is nearby. Also, the privilege only applies to conversations between the client and the attorney, I've always assumed. How is talking to your dad privileged?

ImLawBoy wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:31 am

GreenGoo wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:55 pm If I were a lawyer (or doctor!) I'd walk around listening in on random conversations, then complain about privilege every time someone tried later to talk about the details of the conversation.

That's not how it works. The privilege is client's (or patient's) privilege, and not the attorney's (or doctor's).

GreenGoo wrote:I have nothing but a vague idea about how attorney-client privilege works, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't just turn on because a lawyer is nearby. Also, the privilege only applies to conversations between the client and the attorney, I've always assumed. How is talking to your dad privileged?

If it was a joint discussion among the three parties (Trump, Jr., and the attorney), then it could conceivably be attorney-client privileged. I'm not an expert on this (I really don't represent clients in the traditional sense, so this doesn't apply to me day to day), but I think the attorney would need to be representing both parties for their communications to be privileged. If he's only representing one of them, then the privilege is waived by the presence of (and necessary disclosure to) the unrepresented party. (All of that may be changed by the terms of a non-disclosure agreement that may be in place, but I don't know how that would work.)

Kurth wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:08 pm One clarification: If two separate parties want to have a joint conversation with a lawyer representing one (or both) of those parties, they need to rely on the common interest doctrine to maintain the privilege. In order to invoke common interest, they really must have nearly identical interests in the matter.

A senior Justice Department official was demoted this week amid an ongoing investigation into his contacts with the opposition research firm responsible for the anti-Trump “dossier,” the department confirmed to Fox News.

Until Wednesday morning, Bruce G. Ohr held two titles at DOJ: associate deputy attorney general, a post that placed him four doors down from his boss, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein; and director of the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Forces (OCDETF), a program described by the department as “the centerpiece of the attorney general’s drug strategy.”

Ohr will retain his OCDETF title but has been stripped of his higher post and ousted from his office on the fourth floor of “Main Justice.”

Additionally, House investigators have determined that Ohr met shortly after the election with Glenn Simpson, the founder of Fusion GPS – the opposition research firm that hired Steele to compile the dossier with funds supplied by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee. By that point, according to published reports, the dossier had been in the hands of the FBI, which exists under the aegis of DOJ, for some five months, and the surveillance on Page had been commenced more than two months prior.

The contacts between Ohr and Steele, and between Ohr and Simpson, have not been publicly disclosed nor shared with HPSCI staff.

The panel has issued numerous subpoenas for documents and witnesses related to the dossier but claims DOJ and FBI have “stonewalled,” an assertion that House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., seconded in a rare public statement in October.

While the agencies say they have cooperated extensively with Nunes and his team, including the provision of several hundred pages of classified documents relating to the dossier, it was only last weekend that DOJ and FBI agreed to make available to the committee for questioning Peter Strzok, the high-ranking FBI official who was disciplined in July for having sent-anti-Trump texts to a colleague while playing a decisive role in last year’s investigation into Mrs. Clinton’s private server.

Strzok was removed from the staff of Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who is probing allegations of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, and demoted to a position on the FBI’s human resources division. The agencies’ decision to make Strzok available to House investigators came on the same day the New York Times and Washington Post disclosed the existence of the anti-Trump text messages, and Fox News disclosed that Strzok’s conduct in the Clinton case was under review by the FBI’s Office of Inspector General.

The demotion of Ohr thus marked the second time within a matter of months that the Justice Department and the FBI have disciplined for misconduct a senior official connected in some form or fashion to the Trump-Russia case.

FBI Deputy Director McCabe sscheduled to testify Tuesday to House Intelligence -- but will he? "If McCabe is still there," says one panel Republican. And another, Gowdy, tells FoxNews he'd a"be a little bit surprised if he is still an employee of the FBI this time next week."

Octavious wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:27 pm If they close the investigation and start investigating Clinton I will lose my mind.

em2nought wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:12 pm

Octavious wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:27 pm If they close the investigation and start investigating Clinton I will lose my mind.

There is now a shotgun made specifically for this disease

GreenGoo wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:53 pm How does being employed or not affect his ability to testify?

Rip wrote:

em2nought wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:12 pm

Octavious wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:27 pm If they close the investigation and start investigating Clinton I will lose my mind.

There is now a shotgun made specifically for this disease

If you are saying what I think you are, that shit ain't cool.

Fix it!

GreenGoo wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:09 pm Wouldn't the person with the information and/or specifically involved at the time of the events in question be the one to testify? Hiring a new deputy head and then asking them to testify a week later seems too obviously a scam to me.

Scoop20906 wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:43 pm

Rip wrote:

em2nought wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:12 pm

Octavious wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:27 pm If they close the investigation and start investigating Clinton I will lose my mind.

There is now a shotgun made specifically for this disease

If you are saying what I think you are, that shit ain't cool.

Fix it!

I'll back up Rip on this. This post is inappropriate, isn't funny or cool. I don't think anyone on OO wants you making these kinds of posts.


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Hamlet3145 wrote: Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:44 am If Mueller is fired, that is my take it to the streets moment.

WASHINGTON — The House Intelligence Committee is racing to complete its investigation of Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election, scheduling a host of witness interviews in Washington and New York for next week as Congress heads for its break, and, Democrats said, leaving other leads unfollowed.

Some of the most important witnesses are to be interviewed in New York by committee staff early next week, possibly leaving Democrats to choose between attending those depositions or voting on the massive tax bill coming before the House.

And in an indication that Republicans hope to wrap up their inquiry, the House committee has yet to schedule a single interview after the holidays, according to two committee officials familiar with the schedule.

Rip wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:43 pm

em2nought wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:12 pm

Octavious wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:27 pm If they close the investigation and start investigating Clinton I will lose my mind.

There is now a shotgun made specifically for this disease

If you are saying what I think you are, that shit ain't cool.

Fix it!