Octopus Overlords

hepcat wrote:There should be a Rip FAQ for people new to the forum.

Let's pause to welcome Wilhelm to our cesspool. He'll learn the cast of characters quickly enough.

Kraken wrote:

hepcat wrote:There should be a Rip FAQ for people new to the forum.

Let's pause to welcome Wilhelm to our cesspool. He'll learn the cast of characters quickly enough.

This seems like a good opportunity for all of us to switch our politics diametrically, at least for a little while. It would be fun!

hepcat wrote:Trump's campaign is full of losers. Manafort managed to only get 12 million for under the table deals and shady acts with the Kremlin. The Clintons made a hell of a better deal with their shakedowns. NOW who's the better businessman?

Warren Buffet. But then he always was.

El Guapo wrote:

Kraken wrote:

hepcat wrote:There should be a Rip FAQ for people new to the forum.

Let's pause to welcome Wilhelm to our cesspool. He'll learn the cast of characters quickly enough.

This seems like a good opportunity for all of us to switch our politics diametrically, at least for a little while. It would be fun!

Personal freedoms are bad. God is good.

Zarathud wrote:And how much did Trump give? Oh wait, he still hasn't released any tax returns!

I don't understand why there is no call for Clinton to release her health records since something is clearly wrong with her? Parkinson's, or something of it's ilk.

L'il Rip tries to make daddy proud.

em2nought wrote:

Zarathud wrote:And how much did Trump give? Oh wait, he still hasn't released any tax returns!

I don't understand why there is no call for Clinton to release her health records since something is clearly wrong with her? Parkinson's, or something of it's ilk.

Your boy is on to trashing the media now. If you're going to parrot every one of his idiotic non-issues, at least try to keep up.

tgb wrote:

em2nought wrote:

Zarathud wrote:And how much did Trump give? Oh wait, he still hasn't released any tax returns!

I don't understand why there is no call for Clinton to release her health records since something is clearly wrong with her? Parkinson's, or something of it's ilk.

Your boy is on to trashing the media now. If you're going to parrot every one of his idiotic non-issues, at least try to keep up.

Did he already question her health? I think I'm ahead actually since I've known the media was totally jaundiced from the start.

em2nought wrote: I don't understand why there is no call for Clinton to release her health records since something is clearly wrong with her?

There's no call because she has already released them. She was the first Presidential candidate to do so last year.

em2nought wrote:

Zarathud wrote:And how much did Trump give? Oh wait, he still hasn't released any tax returns!

I don't understand why there is no call for Clinton to release her health records since something is clearly wrong with her? Parkinson's, or something of it's ilk.

You do realize the guy you like has been orange for a decade, right?

em2nought wrote:

Zarathud wrote:And how much did Trump give? Oh wait, he still hasn't released any tax returns!

I don't understand why there is no call for Clinton to release her health records since something is clearly wrong with her? Parkinson's, or something of it's ilk.

Yes, what a valid concern. The people should know if a candidate has a health condition. Who could argue with that?

YellowKing wrote:

em2nought wrote: I don't understand why there is no call for Clinton to release her health records since something is clearly wrong with her?

There's no call because she has already released them. She was the first Presidential candidate to do so last year.

My Boy Scout Troop requires that we update our health information at least once a year. It's probably a good thing to do for Mrs. Clinton as well! I worry about her. Did you see her having trouble climbing those stairs the other day?

YellowKing wrote:

em2nought wrote: I don't understand why there is no call for Clinton to release her health records since something is clearly wrong with her?

There's no call because she has already released them. She was the first Presidential candidate to do so last year.

That's released over a year ago, something is wrong with her now.

Yeah, she suffers from an incurable condition called competence. Fortunately, Trump is immune to it.

Archinerd wrote:

em2nought wrote:

Zarathud wrote:And how much did Trump give? Oh wait, he still hasn't released any tax returns!

I don't understand why there is no call for Clinton to release her health records since something is clearly wrong with her? Parkinson's, or something of it's ilk.

You do realize the guy you like has been orange for a decade, right?

It's the Vydox.

hepcat wrote:Yeah, she suffers from an incurable condition called competence. Fortunately, Trump is immune to it.

But in 2008 Obama told me that "She will say anything and change nothing. Hillary can't be trusted and isn't qualified to be President."

And in April of this year, Bernie Sanders said that Hillary isn't qualified either!

I don't understand!!!

Smutly wrote:
I don't understand!!!

Yes

hepcat wrote:

Smutly wrote:
I don't understand!!!

Yes

Ah I remember the days when Democrats would actually contribute to the conversation here...

Smutly wrote:

hepcat wrote:

Smutly wrote:
I don't understand!!!

Yes

Ah I remember the days when Democrats would actually contribute to the conversation here...

Sorry, I was waiting for the joke. I just forgot to add the question mark to the end of my yes.

hepcat wrote:

Smutly wrote:

hepcat wrote:

Smutly wrote:
I don't understand!!!

Yes

Ah I remember the days when Democrats would actually contribute to the conversation here...

Sorry, I was waiting for the joke. I just forgot to add the question mark to the end of my yes.

No joke. The current President of the United States and the leader of a 'movement' within the Democratic Party both said that Hillary was unqualified to be President. I think Trump did too, but don't quote me on that.

Health information is one of the most protected pieces of personal information out there, and politicians are just as protected as everyone else. Unless there is some life threatening condition that could impact her ability to do her job, there is absolutely no reason that she needs to give out her health information. She's already disclosed more than most Presidential nominees have.

And no, tripping up stairs does not constitute "life threatening condition."

Smutly wrote:

hepcat wrote:

Smutly wrote:

hepcat wrote:

Smutly wrote:
I don't understand!!!

Yes

Ah I remember the days when Democrats would actually contribute to the conversation here...

Sorry, I was waiting for the joke. I just forgot to add the question mark to the end of my yes.

No joke. The current President of the United States and the leader of a 'movement' within the Democratic Party both said that Hillary was unqualified to be President. I think Trump did too, but don't quote me on that.

You're really committed to trying to frame your reply as a serious attempt at political discourse instead of a sarcastic rebuttal to my sarcastic rebuttal to a sarcastic post, aren't ya?

YellowKing wrote:Health information is one of the most protected pieces of personal information out there, and politicians are just as protected as everyone else. Unless there is some life threatening condition that could impact her ability to do her job, there is absolutely no reason that she needs to give out her health information. She's already disclosed more than most Presidential nominees have.

And no, tripping up stairs does not constitute "life threatening condition."

True. She, however, SHOULD release it if there is nothing to show so we can all breath easier. Much like Donald Trump SHOULD release his tax returns. But financial privacy still exists and he is not required to by law.

I'm okay with her not providing health information if you're okay with him not providing tax returns. Or I'm okay if they both do. You pick.

hepcat wrote:

Smutly wrote:

hepcat wrote:

Smutly wrote:

hepcat wrote:

Smutly wrote:
I don't understand!!!

Yes

Ah I remember the days when Democrats would actually contribute to the conversation here...

Sorry, I was waiting for the joke. I just forgot to add the question mark to the end of my yes.

No joke. The current President of the United States and the leader of a 'movement' within the Democratic Party both said that Hillary was unqualified to be President. I think Trump did too, but don't quote me on that.

You're really committed to trying to frame your reply as a serious attempt at political discourse instead of a sarcastic rebuttal to my sarcastic rebuttal to a sarcastic post, aren't ya?

You can assume I'm not really asking you to account for those two politicians' statements by your not responding at all. I'm okay with that.

Smutly wrote:

hepcat wrote:

Smutly wrote:

hepcat wrote:

Smutly wrote:
I don't understand!!!

Yes

Ah I remember the days when Democrats would actually contribute to the conversation here...

Sorry, I was waiting for the joke. I just forgot to add the question mark to the end of my yes.

No joke. The current President of the United States and the leader of a 'movement' within the Democratic Party both said that Hillary was unqualified to be President. I think Trump did too, but don't quote me on that.

Technically both of them were running against her at the time. Contrast that with Republicans who can't stop dissing Drumpf even after he got the nomination. Except for Jersey Fats. But he is well, fat.

We can take that even further and insist that both candidates have no obligation to reveal their plans for the presidency either. But we don't because we realize there are some things that are pertinent to the election process. Hillary's health records have, as already stated, been released. If folks out in the real world raise a big enough stink, I'm sure she'll release updated ones.

Trump has never released his tax records.

Smutly wrote:

YellowKing wrote:Health information is one of the most protected pieces of personal information out there, and politicians are just as protected as everyone else. Unless there is some life threatening condition that could impact her ability to do her job, there is absolutely no reason that she needs to give out her health information. She's already disclosed more than most Presidential nominees have.

And no, tripping up stairs does not constitute "life threatening condition."

True. She, however, SHOULD release it if there is nothing to show so we can all breath easier. Much like Donald Trump SHOULD release his tax returns. But financial privacy still exists and he is not required to by law.

I'm okay with her not providing health information if you're okay with him not providing tax returns. Or I'm okay if they both do. You pick.

You're creating a false equivalency between tax records and health records. I'm not saying that they shouldn't both release both (I think there is value in knowing the health information of candidates to lead the free world), but this is a silly comparison you're making. Your desire for Hillary to release her health records should stand on its own merits, and not on some strange correlation between health records and tax filings.

Smutly wrote: But in 2008 Obama told me that "She will say anything and change nothing. Hillary can't be trusted and isn't qualified to be President."

WHAT'S FALSE: Barack Obama didn't say that Hillary Clinton could not be trusted or that she was not qualified for president.

And in April of this year, Bernie Sanders said that Hillary isn't qualified either!

And he walked it back a few days later because people didn't buy it.

Jaymann wrote:

Smutly wrote:

hepcat wrote:

Smutly wrote:

hepcat wrote:

Smutly wrote:
I don't understand!!!

Yes

Ah I remember the days when Democrats would actually contribute to the conversation here...

Sorry, I was waiting for the joke. I just forgot to add the question mark to the end of my yes.

No joke. The current President of the United States and the leader of a 'movement' within the Democratic Party both said that Hillary was unqualified to be President. I think Trump did too, but don't quote me on that.

Technically both of them were running against her at the time. Contrast that with Republicans who can't stop dissing Drumpf even after he got the nomination. Except for Jersey Fats. But he is well, fat.

There are definitely Republicans who are angry at Trump for hi-jacking their party and are voicing their dissent.

I am aware that there are people who are okay with politicians or people being inconsistent in thought. If that's where you are, then I understand your position. "Running against" is not a license for inconsistency -- but that's my opinion. You're entitled to your inconsistency.

Smutly wrote: You can assume I'm not really asking you to account for those two politicians' statements by your not responding at all. I'm okay with that.

You've already intimated that your goal is to bring balance to the force around here through acts of asshattery equal to those you believe are being committed by liberals/democrats/people who you disagree with. So my assumption was based on that.

hepcat wrote:

Smutly wrote: You can assume I'm not really asking you to account for those two politicians' statements by your not responding at all. I'm okay with that.

You've already intimated that your goal is to bring balance to the force around here through acts of asshattery equal to those you believe are being committed by liberals/democrats/people who you disagree with. So my assumption was based on that.

You've made your position clear.

ImLawBoy wrote:

Smutly wrote:

YellowKing wrote:Health information is one of the most protected pieces of personal information out there, and politicians are just as protected as everyone else. Unless there is some life threatening condition that could impact her ability to do her job, there is absolutely no reason that she needs to give out her health information. She's already disclosed more than most Presidential nominees have.

And no, tripping up stairs does not constitute "life threatening condition."

True. She, however, SHOULD release it if there is nothing to show so we can all breath easier. Much like Donald Trump SHOULD release his tax returns. But financial privacy still exists and he is not required to by law.

I'm okay with her not providing health information if you're okay with him not providing tax returns. Or I'm okay if they both do. You pick.

You're creating a false equivalency between tax records and health records. I'm not saying that they shouldn't both release both (I think there is value in knowing the health information of candidates to lead the free world), but this is a silly comparison you're making. Your desire for Hillary to release her health records should stand on its own merits, and not on some strange correlation between health records and tax filings.

The correlation I am drawing is not between those two records. The correlation is between political leanings and selective demanding one from one candidate and not the other. I'm glad we agree they both stand on their own merits.

Anyone who can handle the grueling schedule to run for President is healthy enough. Releasing tax records is something modern candidates have done for nearly 50 years. Releasing health records isn't.

Besides, we have a backup mechanism if the President falls ill -- it's called the Vice President. The demands only look selective when you're trying to apologize for Trump.

You're not fooling anyone.

Zarathud wrote:You're not fooling anyone.

Hmm... correlation. R^2=100%

I haven't seen anyone demanding Trump's medical records. And at this point, any demands in that vein would be colored as a retaliatory demand rather than any actual interest.

Smutly wrote:

ImLawBoy wrote:

Smutly wrote:

YellowKing wrote:Health information is one of the most protected pieces of personal information out there, and politicians are just as protected as everyone else. Unless there is some life threatening condition that could impact her ability to do her job, there is absolutely no reason that she needs to give out her health information. She's already disclosed more than most Presidential nominees have.

And no, tripping up stairs does not constitute "life threatening condition."

True. She, however, SHOULD release it if there is nothing to show so we can all breath easier. Much like Donald Trump SHOULD release his tax returns. But financial privacy still exists and he is not required to by law.

I'm okay with her not providing health information if you're okay with him not providing tax returns. Or I'm okay if they both do. You pick.

You're creating a false equivalency between tax records and health records. I'm not saying that they shouldn't both release both (I think there is value in knowing the health information of candidates to lead the free world), but this is a silly comparison you're making. Your desire for Hillary to release her health records should stand on its own merits, and not on some strange correlation between health records and tax filings.

The correlation I am drawing is not between those two records. The correlation is between political leanings and selective demanding one from one candidate and not the other. I'm glad we agree they both stand on their own merits.

You're the one who said YK should choose whether they both had to release both sets of records or neither. I assume now that you see that your argument was foolish and you will no longer request others to make this silly choice.

Otherwise, you're not doing a good job of trying to be "above the fray" politically.

Isgrimnur wrote:I haven't seen anyone demanding Trump's medical records. And at this point, any demands in that vein would be colored as a retaliatory demand rather than any actual interest.

Would that color be orange, by any chance?

Zarathud wrote:Anyone who can handle the grueling schedule to run for President is healthy enough.

Disagreed. The public deserves to know of any health concerns that are likely to affect a potential president's ability to do their job, whether it's visible or not (issues that wouldn't affect their ability should remain private).

hepcat wrote:

Isgrimnur wrote:I haven't seen anyone demanding Trump's medical records. And at this point, any demands in that vein would be colored as a retaliatory demand rather than any actual interest.

Would that color be orange, by any chance?

Edging toward Mango Tango.