[TV] New Star Trek Show in Development?

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 2:37 pm

hepcat wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:35 am Well crap, they announced that the upcoming season of Lower Decks will be its last. I really grew to love this little gem of fan service.

And that moment is here with two eps of the final season available for your viewing pleasure.

One of the small touches I love is at the opening credits. Every season there's an addition to the battle scene they show and for this season there's a couple of cameos that made me laugh.

Every series has an end point. I believe that this show will finish strong but I could have used another season or two.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 5:03 pm

I love Lower Decks. I also crave new Strange New Worlds eps

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:54 am

Here is season 5 ep 1 if ya care to see it.

nothing to see here move along.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Sun Nov 24, 2024 12:02 am

Moopsy.

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Sat Dec 14, 2024 10:40 pm

I REALLY love the latest episode, Fissure Quest.
Lot's of bring backs going on.

Spoiler:

Sadly only 1 episode to go. It's also part 2 of this one.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:33 pm

Ooof, the Section 31 movie is getting abysmal reviews.

Sudy · Post by **Sudy** » Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:32 pm

I'm 18 minutes into it. I haven't yet reached for the bottle, but there's some horrifically cringey dialogue, music, editing, and cinematography in the introductory bar sequence. This is a good reminder why we don't necessarily want a Tarantino Trek film. I mean I presume Tarantino would do a better job than this, but these stylistic deviations are jarring. I remain pretty down on most aspects of Discovery (though I haven't seen the last season yet). But that universe issn't without interesting facets. They could have done anything with this. And they chose "we have Suicide Squad at home" in space?

Anyway, 77 minutes to go. I'll come back with spoilers. Or hopefully I'll just move on with my life. I guess at least I'm giving Paramount the view to let them know we want more Trek content. But on the other hand, they're limiting me to SD on my computer because they assume I'm a pirate, so fuck them.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:50 pm

I just want my Strange New Worlds back. Its been gone a long time it feels like. When does it come back? I miss it. Its just the best.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:29 am

hepcat wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:33 pm Ooof, the Section 31 movie is getting abysmal reviews.

This reviewer really, really didn’t like it:

https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/s ... eview.html

If only half of his description is accurate, then it is an awful movie. I was only mildly interested but now think I perversely want to watch to see how bad a train wreck it really is. Can it really be as bad as his description? My curiousity now has the better of me.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:51 am

I didn't like Michelle Yeoh's character in Discovery. The reviews says "Paramount took an unpopular and totally evil character from Star Trek: Discovery, the least-liked Star Trek series of all time, and gave her a feature film." I won't be rejoining Paramount+ for this turkey.

Sudy · Post by **Sudy** » Sat Jan 25, 2025 4:17 am

Yeah... this was embarrassing. The story isn't worthy of a film. I will say I wasn't bored. It was certainly colourful enough even in its bland, grimy settings. It feels less like Star Trek than even the Kelvin Timeline, which is some trick. It's like bad Star Wars meets Guardians of the Galaxy. The camerawork was frenetic and nausea-inducing. One of the main musical cues rips off First Contact. A couple of the main characters are so annoying I wanted to punch them. Some of the others actually had potential and might have grown to be likable over the course of a season, too bad (?) we'll never find out. But the dialogue and attempts at comedy were just horrible. Some of the supporting characters were pretty cool (e.g. metal-face dude), but they were either cheap, unexplored callbacks (the Cheron, the Deltan) or just had no basis in existing Trek. (Though upon investigation the Richardson and Rohl characters do have connections I totally missed.)

It's not the worst way to spend two hours if you're morbidly curious. It's just really disappointing. Fans have been asking for Section 31 to be explored for literal decades. Why can't they just give fans of the TNG era what they want (beyond Lower Decks)? I didn't hate Yeoh's character in Discovery; I actually kind of liked the mirror universe storyline with Lorca. But her scenery chewing overstays its welcome here, if it was enjoyable at all. At least in Discovery she had Burnham for a foil. Alok is just so boring, though their relationship grew on me slightly toward the end.

Spoiler:

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:23 am

I liked Yeoh in Discovery. Especially when she was trying to fit in with the Federation's ways. Doesn't sound like this movie continues that though. They probably wanted their own anti hero character, but don't know how to do that.

Honestly, a heist movie with Mudd would have been my druthers if they were going to make a Star Trek movie from the darker side of things.

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:32 pm

Just finished Section 31.
I actually enjoyed it overall.
Yes some things were silly but I was entertained.
I do think this would have been much better as a series.
Perhaps make the plot the series plot but have the group go on other missions throughout the episodes, some related, some not.
Plus having it as a series makes for better character building since some things that happened weren't as impactful as they could have been. This is actually one of the things that disappointed me. It did me a "whatever" feeling for some things. I was still entertained though.

As for Section 31 in general, I am not a Star Trek purists who thinks that it doesn't fit with Star Treks overall theme.
I like having it to make the universe seem a bit more realistic.

I also love Phillipas Emperor character. Much better than her Starfleet one. I'd also love a Mirror Universe series. I think that her character really adds character to the universe.

Minor spoiler?

Spoiler:

Anyway I thought it was worth my time. YMMV.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sat Jan 25, 2025 4:19 pm

I haven't seen the film, but Section 31 has been in the universe going clear back to Deep Space Nine.

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Sat Jan 25, 2025 5:09 pm

As far as I understand, it was originally going to be a series, but when Michelle Yeoh got that Oscar, suddenly she was all in demand everywhere, which made them scale back their plans to a movie, as she was becoming too busy.

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Sat Jan 25, 2025 5:25 pm

Blackhawk wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 4:19 pm I haven't seen the film, but Section 31 has been in the universe going clear back to Deep Space Nine.

Yes, but there are apparently some Star Trek purists who don't agree with it and believe it should never have been introduced since it doesn't fit with Genes vision.

Sudy · Post by **Sudy** » Sat Jan 25, 2025 5:28 pm

I think what was hinted at in DS9 was pretty interesting, but this is not that, nor was what popped up in the Kelvinverse.

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Sat Jan 25, 2025 5:38 pm

I think it fits perfectly.
Section 31 is supposed to basically be a rouge group who's loyalty is to the federation but not necessarily federation laws. Their purpose is to protect the federation by any means necessary and that to them the ends DO justify the means.
Whether they are right or wrong is a separate thing. They are an off the books black ops devision.
Since the federation isn't even supposed to be in the location this movie takes place and there is a dangerous maguffin that needs to be stopped, it makes sense for them to be in this movie.
I do think they could have done without the whole raging group thing. S31 is still supposed to be professional in their own way, but it wasn't enough for me to not like the movie.
I do think that the Vulcan character is my favorite after Phillipa.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sat Jan 25, 2025 5:44 pm

DS9 was when the writers started building on the idea that, while the Federation is utopian, it isn't perfect, and human nature sometimes gets in the way. It had been hinted at in TNG, but it's episodic nature didn't allow them to really work with it.

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:46 am

Blackhawk wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 5:44 pm DS9 was when the writers started building on the idea that, while the Federation is utopian, it isn't perfect, and human nature sometimes gets in the way. It had been hinted at in TNG, but it's episodic nature didn't allow them to really work with it.

This is whyI like the idea of S31. As much as we would live a true utopia like the Federation, having them as a "flaw" is realistic and i find it interesting.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:07 am

Punisher wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:46 am
Blackhawk wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 5:44 pm DS9 was when the writers started building on the idea that, while the Federation is utopian, it isn't perfect, and human nature sometimes gets in the way. It had been hinted at in TNG, but it's episodic nature didn't allow them to really work with it.
This is whyI like the idea of S31. As much as we would live a true utopia like the Federation, having them as a "flaw" is realistic and i find it interesting.

Well then get thee to Babylon 5 to see Chekov's turn as Bester. It was done better in that universe.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:04 am

The Corps is mother. The Corps is father.

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:39 pm

Kraken wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:07 am
Punisher wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:46 am
Blackhawk wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 5:44 pm DS9 was when the writers started building on the idea that, while the Federation is utopian, it isn't perfect, and human nature sometimes gets in the way. It had been hinted at in TNG, but it's episodic nature didn't allow them to really work with it.
This is whyI like the idea of S31. As much as we would live a true utopia like the Federation, having them as a "flaw" is realistic and i find it interesting.
Well then get thee to Babylon 5 to see Chekov's turn as Bester. It was done better in that universe.

I only found it on Tubi and I can't do commercials anymore.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:08 pm

You want free streaming, you gotta deal with a few ads. Welcome to capitalism. Now, if you lived in North Korea, you could watch Babylon 5 with ZERO commercials! It's true! Of course, it's THEIR version of B5 in which Kim Jong Un runs a space station after a war with the evil United States and features such gripping storylines as Kim Jong Un golfing a perfect game in zero G...without ever having played before!

...you know what, I kind of wanna see that instead of Section 31 now.

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 6:13 pm

I've always thought that Section 31 was a secret organization that most in Starfleet weren't aware of, an organization with individuals that did things in the shadows that needed to be done in order to right things, but it doesn't sound like that's what the movie ended up being. Over the years, they've morphed into violent individuals often seen as villains. Which is kind of sad because I think the Spy thing would be really cool if done right.

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 6:17 pm

hepcat wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:08 pm You want free streaming, you gotta deal with a few ads. Welcome to capitalism. Now, if you lived in North Korea, you could watch Babylon 5 with ZERO commercials! It's true! Of course, it's THEIR version of B5 in which Kim Jong Un runs a space station after a war with the evil United States and features such gripping storylines as Kim Jong Un golfing a perfect game in zero G...without ever having played before!

...you know what, I kind of wanna see that instead of Section 31 now.

I'm ok with paying for no ads. Have that option on all my streaming right now. I don't believe tubi has that option. I also don't believe that B5 is on anywhere else. At least I couldn't find it.

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 6:18 pm

Rumpy wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 6:13 pm I've always thought that Section 31 was a secret organization that most in Starfleet weren't aware of, an organization with individuals that did things in the shadows that needed to be done in order to right things, but it doesn't sound like that's what the movie ended up being. Over the years, they've morphed into violent individuals often seen as villains. Which is kind of sad because I think the Spy thing would be really cool if done right.

From watching it I'd say it's still that. Just remember that they aren't part of Starfleet Intelligence. They are their own thing with their own rules.
This is definitely them trying to get a mcguffin for the right reasons.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 6:31 pm

hepcat wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:08 pm You want free streaming, you gotta deal with a few ads. Welcome to capitalism.

They've made huge strides in making piracy popular again.

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 6:34 pm

That's the thing I don't understand. I thought Section 31 was part of Starfleet Intelligence. Sort of like how the British government has both MI5 and MI6, one operating internally, and one operating externally, both with the power to do their own things as they see fit.

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:09 pm

Rumpy wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 6:34 pm That's the thing I don't understand. I thought Section 31 was part of Starfleet Intelligence. Sort of like how the British government has both MI5 and MI6, one operating internally, and one operating externally, both with the power to do their own things as they see fit.

Nope.
They are separate. They are like the CIA if they had no oversite at all and nobody knew about them. Only more extreme.
They protect the federation by any means necessary. Legality doesn't even come in the equation except as an after thought.
They literally answer to no one.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:12 pm

East Federation Trading Company.

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:04 pm

Punisher wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:09 pm
Rumpy wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 6:34 pm That's the thing I don't understand. I thought Section 31 was part of Starfleet Intelligence. Sort of like how the British government has both MI5 and MI6, one operating internally, and one operating externally, both with the power to do their own things as they see fit.
Nope.
They are separate. They are like the CIA if they had no oversite at all and nobody knew about them. Only more extreme.
They protect the federation by any means necessary. Legality doesn't even come in the equation except as an after thought.
They literally answer to no one.

Yeah, And I get that, but like I've said, originally it was like you said, but over time it's morphed into something much more sinister in design compared to the original idea of Section 31.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:22 pm

I haven't seen the Discovery era stuff, but by DS9, Section 31 was an off-the-books organization. It wasn't a part of Starfleet Intelligence proper - very few even knew of its existence, and it operated autonomously and without oversight. It was more like having a select group of the CIA go underground and start acting as their own organization. Whether they were truly rogue, or if there was still someone at the top pulling the strings is up for debate.

They were always portrayed as a dark, sinister organization that often acted against the normal Starfleet philosophy if it considered the threat to require it.

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:42 pm

Blackhawk wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:22 pm I haven't seen the Discovery era stuff, but by DS9, Section 31 was an off-the-books organization. It wasn't a part of Starfleet Intelligence proper - very few even knew of its existence, and it operated autonomously and without oversight. It was more like having a select group of the CIA go underground and start acting as their own organization. Whether they were truly rogue, or if there was still someone at the top pulling the strings is up for debate.

They were always portrayed as a dark, sinister organization that often acted against the normal Starfleet philosophy if it considered the threat to require it.

I'm actually on the last few episodes of a DS9 run so some things are still fresh.
IIRC, DS9 is the first time we hear of S31 although chronologically they are around during Enterprise.
In DS9 they attempted genocide of the changelings.
Even though they were the enemy at the time, that's still pretty dark and it wasn't authorized by the federation or even Starfleet.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:54 pm

And as I recall, their method was horrible.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:07 am

Okay, I watched it last night. It's largely a forgettable attempt at making Star Trek: Mission Impossible (even the opening credit voice over makes it sound like it should end with "this message will self destruct in 60 seconds" for christ's sake). Michelle Yeoh overacts...again. I love her, and I'm happy she won an Oscar, but let's be real: she learned how to act from 80s Chinese action films. They're not exactly known for their quiet moments of introspection. So her expressions and body language are overly dynamic at all times. The odd thing is, she is capable of toning it down (see Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and Everything Everywhere All at Once). But she definitely doesn't go that route for Star Trek: Mission Impossible.

Everyone does an okay job, but they just feel like (as Sudy points out) they're not working within a Star Trek film. There's very little to attach it to the Federation beyond a few call outs to familiar races and a character from the Federation that has to UNlearn how to be a Star Fleet officer to succeed, basically. It's almost like it's embarrassed of its Star Trek DNA.

A few things that made me chuckle:

Spoiler:

It's not a disaster. But it's certainly not a good film by any means.

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:18 pm

Blackhawk wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:22 pm I haven't seen the Discovery era stuff, but by DS9, Section 31 was an off-the-books organization. It wasn't a part of Starfleet Intelligence proper - very few even knew of its existence, and it operated autonomously and without oversight. It was more like having a select group of the CIA go underground and start acting as their own organization. Whether they were truly rogue, or if there was still someone at the top pulling the strings is up for debate.

They were always portrayed as a dark, sinister organization that often acted against the normal Starfleet philosophy if it considered the threat to require it.

That was my understanding, yeah. But it never was portrayed like a rogue's gallery like this movie is attempting to do.

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:22 pm

Rumpy wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:18 pm
Blackhawk wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:22 pm I haven't seen the Discovery era stuff, but by DS9, Section 31 was an off-the-books organization. It wasn't a part of Starfleet Intelligence proper - very few even knew of its existence, and it operated autonomously and without oversight. It was more like having a select group of the CIA go underground and start acting as their own organization. Whether they were truly rogue, or if there was still someone at the top pulling the strings is up for debate.

They were always portrayed as a dark, sinister organization that often acted against the normal Starfleet philosophy if it considered the threat to require it.
That was my understanding, yeah. But it never was portrayed like a rogue's gallery like this movie is attempting to do.

I think that they ate supposed to be a squad sent on this mission, not the main people in charge of S31.
Probably meant to becan expendable squad.
Similar to Amanda Walker vs her Suicide/Monster Squad

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Mon Jan 27, 2025 3:50 pm

There never was a S31 squad prior to this though

I think it defies the original concept of sending lone people out, which I think is at the root of most people's complaints.

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:32 pm

Just because we didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
It's supposed to be a largeish agency.
I think it's more silly to think they did everything with only 1 agent. Some things have to be bigger than 1 person can handle.