Doomscrolling the election results thread

[LawBeefaroni]

I would expect a lot cost cutting will be in health care and they'll try to find a tech solution. AI authorization processes, "disruptive" start ups, etc.

Plus no coverage for vaccines, eliminate coverage for pre-ex conditions..

Going to save a ton without coverage for gender-confirming care, birth control or abortions.

Those aren't really high cost. The costs that arise from not having them available, however....

[Zarathud]

the absolute hate and envy, and worst of all, victimhood of the majority of this board make that impossible.

So...I'm gonna come and brag about how I got mine, and fuck what the rest of you might be going through.

That will certainly be missed.

Hey, the victim is gloating about doing onto others instead of getting done unto.

For now. Trump owes allegiance to no one other than himself. He’ll eat anyone’s face. Just ask Mike Pence.

[LordMortis]

Cutting off nose to spite face:

In Dearborn, where 55% of the residents are of Middle Eastern descent, Trump won with 42.48% of the vote over Vice President Kamala Harris, who received 36.26%, according to results, with 100% of precincts counted, provided to the Free Press from City Clerk George Darany. Jill Stein received 18.37% of the vote. Voter turnout in Dearborn was smaller compared to 2020.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politi ... 085841007/



Leopards will eat what's left.

You have no idea. On my walk yesterday, in front of an Arabic owned house, was brand new sloppy quick done graffiti all over the sidewalk "pay" illegible to me scrawling. Maybe I'll get a picture one of these times and ask if someone else can make it out. Coincidence?

[hepcat]

It does go to show that many in that community value spite over the lives of actual Palestinians. That or they never really cared about their lives to begin with.

[Holman]

Of course! He made sure to come and point it out as loudly as possible. I'm sure Rip will be by later to share his good news with us, too. After which they will both disappear until the next unpopular political incident, when they can again appear to mock those at real risk. If this were a board game night, they'd never be invited back - people don't enjoy the company of poor winners.

I was an original Gone Golder. This board became untenable for me to visit regularly because you guys were so unwelcoming. I come back every 4 years because a part of me wishes we could all get along, but the absolute hate and envy, and worst of all, victimhood of the majority of this board make that impossible. So, I'm happy to stay away, Blackhawk. I don't like being around perpetual dickheads who think so little of people who think differently than them.

You don't want to get along. You came here today specifically to gloat and revel in other people's unhappiness.

For that, it's impossible to respect you, and it would be the same if there were no politics involved. Stay away.

[Kurth]

FiveThiryEight's analysis of how Trump won

I hope I did the URL coding right for this link. Anyway...it's their analysis on what happened.

Edit: URL link worked. I also think that some of this might be due to not having a platform of what she was going to do, policies she was going to try to get passed, etc. Instead the campaign was mostly about how bad the other side was. Voters typically vote FOR something, not against something. That's just msduncan analysis there, but I think that might have played a role.

Racial polarization
Initial exit poll estimates also suggest Democratic support declined among non-white voters and rose among white voters (especially college-educated ones). The exit poll indicates Trump won white voters by 12 percentage points, 55 percent to Harris's 43 percent. Compared to the 2020 exit poll, that is a 5-point improvement for Democrats.

Democrats performed best relative to 2020 among white college-educated voters. They moved 7 points to the left, voting 54 percent to 44 percent for Harris. Non-white non-college-educated voters, meanwhile, moved 13 points toward Trump.

The Republican's gains with nonwhites was particularly acute among Hispanic and Latino voters. Democrats' vote margin with the group fell by 26 points, according to the exit poll, to just a 53-percent-to-45-percent margin. Trump's vote share with Latinos looks like it could be the best since George W. Bush's 44 percent in 2004. Latino men moved 33 points toward Trump, one of his biggest swings.

This is just unreal. I get the inflation thing. Maybe I can fathom lack of excitement for Harris eating into Democrat turnout. But "racial polarization" helping Trump get elected on a surge of minority votes? How in any reasonable world is that a possible thing.

The Democrats need to really take a look in the mirror and figure out how they've lost significant chunks of their key constituencies. Maybe they might want to reconsider how much popular support they have among minorities (and others) for some of the more progressive planks in their platform.

[Edit to add: Maybe they've already done this, to be fair, and these election results are lagging the adjustment. After all, much of the attack ads I saw every Sunday while watching football were based on what Harris and others campaigned on previously, not during this election.]

[Blackhawk]

The Republicans may want to reconsider decimating those communities...

[Grifman]

Well, though the national election was a bust, here in NC, it was a pretty good election.

A Democrat won the governorship
A Democrat (woman) won the lieutenant governorship
A Democrat won the Attorney Generalship
A Democrat won the Superintendent of Education (usually, I wouldn't care all that much about this position but the Republican was there on Jan 6, and was a total nutcase/conspiracy theorist and shouldn't be anywhere near education)
And Democrats eliminated the Republicans super-majority in the legislature, so they can't override the governor's veto and will have to compromise

All in all, it was a pretty good day for NC at least.

[Kurth]

Well, though the national election was a bust, here in NC, it was a pretty good election.

A Democrat won the governorship
A Democrat (woman) won the lieutenant governorship
A Democrat won the Attorney Generalship
A Democrat won the Superintendent of Education (usually, I wouldn't care all that much about this position but the Republican was there on Jan 6, and was a total nutcase/conspiracy theorist and shouldn't be anywhere near education)
And Democrats eliminated the Republicans super-majority in the legislature, so they can't override the governor's veto and will have to compromise

All in all, it was a pretty good day for NC at least.

That's good to hear, Grifman. I spoke to a lot of North Carolinians yesterday, and they seemed enthusiastic about getting out to vote. Glad they had an impact, even if not for POTUS.

[Formix]

Generally, I feel good about we North Cackalackians, with the exception of not carrying the state for Kamala, and that Jan 6th nutbag still got too many votes.

[Skinypupy]

It has often been said that it takes empires 250 years to fall.

America is 248 years old, so we're right on schedule.

[Zaxxon]

Colorado did OK, as well (aside from Boebert getting elected in her new / my district). Went for Harris, most of the ballot initiatives went my way, and unlike most states a majority of our counties went more for Harris than they did Biden.

But yegads are we an outlier.

[raydude]

The Republicans may want to reconsider decimating those communities...

I mean, yeah, it would be good if the Republicans don't do that. But dammit, another part of me wants mucho face eaten.

[naednek]

Is the bright side of Red winning everything that it will be harder to blame the other guys when things go wronf?

Hahahahahahaha, no.

It'll still somehow be the Democrat's fault, even though the GOP controls everything because...reasons. I mean, you've seen the contortions they do to sanewash Trump on a daily basis, right?

Jan 20th, I'm going to the gas station and posting a picture of the pump blaming Trump for the $4.50 gal gas prices. You know, just like the Republicans did.

[naednek]

I'm also seeing a lot of finger-pointing at Biden for not admitting his issues sooner, avoiding the disastrous debate and giving her more time to establish a platform.

I think it's a combination of the two.

Biden didn't do anyone any favors by not dropping out. He knew well before that his health was in decline. I think he took too long and didn't give the party much time to find a replacement. Kamala wasn't the strongest candidate, just the strongest at the time.

Then you have Kamala's campaign spending too much time attacking Trump and all the idiotic things he does. Newsflash, we know that the Republicans know it, they just choose to ignore it. She couldn't answer questions on how she was going to implement her plan, she kept saying the same 3 things up to election day. Just seemed like a lazy campaign. I still supported her, but what choice did I have?

She should have hammered the issues and come up with possible solutions. Trump couldn't do that. But she would have been so much more ahead if she did. It was just the typical political BS. Didn't help that they caught her flip-flopping. That was damaging.

[Smoove_B]

Do not spend 5 seconds blaming Harris or her campaign for what just happened. 50%+ of your fellow Americans voted for a felon to be the next PotUS and some untold number couldn't be bothered to vote at all. This is collectively on the backs of Americans, not her or Biden.

[Kraken]

1,460 more days of Trump.

I just. I just can't.

I honestly need to find something else to focus on. With a 17 yr-old transgender autistic kid at home - that's just going to be impossible.

Fuck.

TBH I think he'll be sidelined within six months...a year, tops. His cognitive decline is advancing rapidly and he's fading physically as well. They won't be able to keep propping him up for the cameras much longer. Vance, and those (like Musk) manipulating him, will be the architects of our downfall.

[ImLawBoy]

PRESS: What are your detailed positions, Kamala? What are you offering the people???

HARRIS: [gives detailed positions]

PRESS: She's too wonky and focused on minutiae.

[naednek]

Do not spend 5 seconds blaming Harris or her campaign for what just happened. 50%+ of your fellow Americans voted for a felon to be the next PotUS and some untold number couldn't be bothered to vote at all. This is collectively on the backs of Americans, not her or Biden.

I don't fully agree. Yes that is true, but had they had the chance to nominate a better candidate it might have provided more enthusiasm and involvement.

[naednek]

PRESS: What are your detailed positions, Kamala? What are you offering the people???

HARRIS: [gives detailed positions]

PRESS: She's too wonky and focused on minutiae.

When did she give detailed positions?

Every interview I heard was
We are going to give people 25K towards buying homes
We are going to increase the child tax credit

How?
Kamala: Silence.

She never provided details, just high level ideas.

[Smoove_B]

Name for me a single (D) candidate you've personally experienced that had as much positive energy as Harris. Someone that had so many public and private sector endorsements, celebrity, military, etc... Someone that raised that much money and was actively campaigning in so many states.

Her campaign could not have been better - especially given the short amount of time they had to figure it all out and motivate people to vote.

This was not a messaging failure on her part. This was a clear demonstration that half of the voting population is ok with fascism. I cannot emphasize enough this is not on her or Biden (who would have also lost) or the limited time she had. This is 100% on the voting public.

She never provided details, just high level ideas.

Ah, the refrain of the Trump leaning voter.

[msduncan]

Is the bright side of Red winning everything that it will be harder to blame the other guys when things go wronf?

Hahahahahahaha, no.

It'll still somehow be the Democrat's fault, even though the GOP controls everything because...reasons. I mean, you've seen the contortions they do to sanewash Trump on a daily basis, right?

Jan 20th, I'm going to the gas station and posting a picture of the pump blaming Trump for the $4.50 gal gas prices. You know, just like the Republicans did.

Get some stickers made like the Biden ones, because they were pretty funny when I first saw them.

[waitingtoconnect]

Seems a lot of voters didn’t know Biden wasnt running.

https://www.latintimes.com/did-joe-bide ... ris-564875

My Maga family and friends reckon that this result proves 2020 and 2022 was stolen because “no way half” of your vote disappears between elections.

[naednek]

Name for me a single (D) candidate you've personally experienced that had as much positive energy as Harris. Someone that had so many public and private sector endorsements, celebrity, military, etc... Someone that raised that much money and was actively campaigning in so many states.

Her campaign could not have been better - especially given the short amount of time they had to figure it all out and motivate people to vote.

This was not a messaging failure on her part. This was a clear demonstration that half of the voting population is ok with fascism. I cannot emphasize enough this is not on her or Biden (who would have also lost) or the limited time she had. This is 100% on the voting public.

She never provided details, just high level ideas.

Ah, the refrain of the Trump leaning voter.

I'm definitely not a Trump voter, and if you were on my Facebook friend list, you'd know that. You can ask SkinnyPuppy and Zaxxon

[Holman]

FWIW, it is still a little bit possible for Dems to take the House.

Right now it's GOP 210 to Dem 194. However, there are 31 uncalled races out there, and of these, 15 are lean/likely/safe Dem seats, compared to just 3 l/l/s safe seats for the Republicans. The remaining 13 are toss-ups.

I'm getting these numbers from 270 to win.

Prevailing winds suggest that the GOP holds the House, but it's also true that down-ballot races outperformed Harris, often significantly.

[LordMortis]

TBH I think he'll be sidelined within six months...a year, tops. His cognitive decline is advancing rapidly and he's fading physically as well. They won't be able to keep propping him up for the cameras much longer. Vance, and those (like Musk) manipulating him, will be the architects of our downfall.

LLM picture and movie maker: Show Leon as the Stay Puft Marshmallow man.

[Skinypupy]

I'm definitely not a Trump voter, and if you were on my Facebook friend list, you'd know that. You can ask SkinnyPuppy and Zaxxon

Can confirm.

When did she give detailed positions?

Every interview I heard was
We are going to give people 25K towards buying homes
We are going to increase the child tax credit

How?
Kamala: Silence.

She never provided details, just high level ideas.

Those aren't positions? Curious what additional details she should have provided about those two proposals that would have helped? Discussing how she was going to strike other specific line items in the federal budget to fund these initiatives would just have been "policy wonk" noise that would have been entirely ignored and likely criticized.

It does illustrate, however, the difference on how "policy" is viewed. Repeating myself from the other thread, Harris said "Here are things A, B, and C that I'm going to do help you out" and Trump said "I'm going to wave a magic want and give everyone a pony"...and America collectively voted for the pony.

[waitingtoconnect]

Harris had policies. And had specifics.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2024 ... e-are-her/

The media was too busy covering trumps latest outrageous remarks or bidens clear mental decline to even cover Harris in the last three or four weeks.

You’d have thought trump was the real president all this time. He proved once again it’s who holds the narrative in the media that wins elections and Biden only broke that in 2020.

It’s not wokeism or the economy or DEI that stopped Democrats coming out to vote this time. These things were even bigger issues in 2022. And trump lost support nationwide ( 3 million votes less roughly).

Was it Gaza, RFK jnr, Russian social media campaigns, secret Biden supporters? Who knows.

[Smoove_B]

I'm definitely not a Trump voter, and if you were on my Facebook friend list, you'd know that. You can ask SkinnyPuppy and Zaxxon

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you were (I didn't think so). But it has been their non-stop refrain for the last 2+ months, constantly suggesting she has "no plan" or that whatever she's provided "isn't detailed enough". It's tiresome - as if Trump himself has said or done anything even remotely rational in the last 90 days.

[Alefroth]

We are going to give people 25K towards buying homes
We are going to increase the child tax credit

What more do you need to know and what candidate has ever had to provide a fully-fleshed out ready to vote on policy? It seems like you're holding her to a different standard.

[Alefroth]

I'm definitely not a Trump voter.

You're doing their work

[waitingtoconnect]

My thin hope is that mass deportations (like Trump's border wall) will be an election promise that he won't keep. Oh I'm sure there will be some deportations, but given the impossibility of the task and the catastrophic repercussions to the economy, I'm hoping he settles for some token effort and then drops it.

Trump has no real reason to actually solve problems - his entire goal in 2016 was to get elected to enrich himself, and his entire goal in 2024 was to get elected to stay out of prison and enrich himself. We can only hope that once he's in office, he's more focused on grifting than getting anything done.

The Marcos family in the Philippines stole billions in the 1980s. To “stop communism” we aided them in hiding their stolen money and retaining power.

Then a year or so who with a massive social media, fake AI and friendly media environment they convinced voters, young ones in particular that the funds were not stolen after all. That the real criminals were the opposition. They were being held in trust and that the monies would be distributed once their son Bang Bang was in power.

An opposing candidate, much like Kamala Harris, a tough prosecutor but jailed for seven years on the basis of a “confession” speech made in public that was a thinly veiled edit that had her confessing to distributing drugs when in fact she was talking about how she prosecuted those distributing drugs.


Clearly we are headed down the Philippines or South American “democracy” way of doing things.

[waitingtoconnect]

I'm definitely not a Trump voter.

You're doing their work

I’m conservative - a RINO. I supported Reagan and the Bushses (but not the second Iraq war). If I could support Harris I’m mighty angry that actual registered democrats decided for semantic reasons to stay home or vote trump.

[LordMortis]

I’m mighty angry that actual registered democrats decided... to stay home or vote trump.

You and me both. It's all around me. You saw that bit on Dearborn, Mi upthread? I live adjacent to them in the same voting district that became a loudmouthed MAGA neighborhood after housing crash whom are angry among other things at not being nearly enough overcome putting Tlaib in office election after election. I'm done with her. Most important election of my lifetime and she helped sabotage it. It may not have made a difference in the outcome but it's made a difference in cracking the veneer of me voting against the GOP at all levels. She may as well have campaigned for TFG in my book.

Union membership thinks TFG will support them. After 2016 when he attacked them all, until Mary Barra showed her corporate colors and kissed the ring. He was so there for them during their strike. And then openly talking about hating to pay labor.

I don't know how long it's going to take to get my emotion into cold mode. One day obviously was not enough. Video games did waste the day away though.

[gilraen]

I don't know how long it's going to take to get my emotion into cold mode. One day obviously was not enough.

I thought about it today, and it truly feels like mourning a loss. Maybe not death but close. Where you don't know which way to turn to shake this crushing weight of grief. It'll start feeling better but not today.

[Zaxxon]

I don't know how long it's going to take to get my emotion into cold mode. One day obviously was not enough.

I thought about it today, and it truly feels like mourning a loss. Maybe not death but close. Where you don't know which way to turn to shake this crushing weight of grief. It'll start feeling better but not today.

And like death, the grief is never going to go away. Maybe it’ll dull a bit but that’s it. I joke about how fucked we’ve been for years now, but the disillusionment with my fellow Americans isn’t ever going to stop hurting.

[YellowKing]

It'll start feeling better but not today.

I keep telling myself that, because today has been really rough. Especially with the time change. I was down all day, but then when it got dark it was like a double whammy of despair. Compounding it was my daughter, who's 15. While she has not expressed much interest in the election, and we almost never talk politics, I could tell Trump's win bothered her.

I didn't have this same level of discomfort in 2016 because we happened to be in Disney World during the election. So while I was disappointed, I was so busy with vacation that I didn't have time to dwell on it. And even then I viewed Trump as more of a buffoon than a threat, so it was much easier to dismiss. By the time I got home and the dust had settled, I was pretty much back to business as usual.

There have been a few bright spots I've been clinging to. One is that while we all have spent months fearing what Trump will do, we don't really know yet how this will play out. So I've tried to not borrow anxiety from a tomorrow that may never materialize. I've also taken comfort that NC elected a Democratic governor, and also the Democratic Superintendent of Public Education. We also broke the supermajority, so at least at the state level I have a friendly umbrella.

I've learned a lesson from this, and that's that the obsession over this election took a toll mentally. While it seemed positive at the time (engaged member of society!), I now know that it's a double-edged sword that can shove a dagger into your well-being if it doesn't go your way. I took a break from the news today, I logged off the social media, and that's the headspace I'll be staying in for awhile. I did make an exception to go check in on a few political YouTubers I had been following, and the fact that they were still there, still making content, and had not given up the fight made me feel better.

The election also made me re-evaluate what was important in my life. My wife and my kids. And while yes, politics impacts them directly, it can't be a distraction from them. I'll take this negative experience and channel it into self-improvement. I refuse to go down the path of hatred and misogyny that this country seems to be headed down. I'll fight back twice as hard to show my kids this isn't how good people behave.

I know, just as in 2016, there will be a day when I'm back to "normal" or as close to it as I can get in these times. This election will be a distant memory, I'll roll my eyes at the latest stupid thing Trump did, and go about my life worrying about more mundane matters. It's just going to take awhile.

[Skinypupy]

I've learned a lesson from this, and that's that the obsession over this election took a toll mentally. While it seemed positive at the time (engaged member of society!), I now know that it's a double-edged sword that can shove a dagger into your well-being if it doesn't go your way. I took a break from the news today, I logged off the social media, and that's the headspace I'll be staying in for awhile.

Had a similar realization today. I’ve been trying to walk the line between staying informed not overdoing my media intake, and I have definitely tipped that balance and need to reassess before it does actual damage.

We do lots of 7 Habits of Highky Effective People training. In there, we teach the principle of Circle of Concern vs Circle of Influence.

It’s very simple. If you focus too much time and energy on your circle of concern (things you don’t have direct control over) it saps your mental and emotional energy. Thats where I’ve been living for several months now.

I need to spend more time focusing on my circle of influence, on the things that I CAN have a direct impact on. My personal relationships, my community involvement, my family, etc. That’s where I’ll see growth and impact…not spending all my time being consumed by the endless noise.

You’d think that after selling it for 20 years, I’d have learned to apply it a little better to my own life.

[Blackhawk]

In other words, the fundamental tenets of Buddhism.

[Holman]

FWIW, it is still a little bit possible for Dems to take the House.

Right now it's GOP 210 to Dem 194. However, there are 31 uncalled races out there, and of these, 15 are lean/likely/safe Dem seats, compared to just 3 l/l/s safe seats for the Republicans. The remaining 13 are toss-ups.

I'm getting these numbers from 270 to win.

Prevailing winds suggest that the GOP holds the House, but it's also true that down-ballot races outperformed Harris, often significantly.

I'm not going to run a play-by-play on this, but one of the toss-ups has just been called for the Dem.