[WW] The Crimson Moon Returns

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:15 pm

The Story of Newcastle

Newcastle wrote: /puts his supplies back into his satchel, folds his chair and walks over to the rest of the chattering villagers.

"Boy, oh boy. What a strange sense of humor those wolves have. It would seem to me that they have decided to engage in some hazing of the new guy. Shame on you wolfies, shame on you.'

Walks away

Newcastle wrote: /walks up to the village in the midst of their discussion, takes out his folding chair and sits down. he reaches into his satchel and brings out the tools of his trade

/looks around, and starts humming.

"hmm what would be just be the best thing I can capture here"

/looks around a bit more, spots austin's hairy back, brings his hand to his chin, strokes his Van Dyke.

"hmm, wonder if it would work?"

/gets up and silently walks around the villagers talking, all the while eyeing Austin.

He gets back to his chair, leans back, and reflects.

"Now to find the proper perspective, and I shall be set."

Newcastle wrote: /walks over to where austin is standing and chatting amiably, kneels down, strokes his chin a bit...with deft hands he swipes a piece of hair and scampers back to his chair.

/drawing out his notepad he starts taking notes

Newcastle wrote: /turns to Austin

"as far as commenting, yes when i have something to say. unfortunately I dont have as much time as I wish to truly digest what is going on nor to monitor this thread (master programs will do that to you). Hence when I have something to truly say, I will say it. Till then, well, will RP. And yes I do have some thoughts about what is transpiring, but right now am curious to observe."

Newcastle wrote: "and how dare you think i would stroke your chin...pervert.

"Think what you will also Grund, do you truly think i would not choose my words carefully?"

Newcastle wrote: ...

Have I ever come out as the painter? Did I ever mention it? Nope...did I allude to it... perhaps. Who was the one did connect the dots? If you look back at it, did I ever explicity state that I was the painter?

Also, it might very well be that I am not a painter, and could very well be something else. I choose my words carefully....

Analyzing....

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:29 pm

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:46 pm

Lassr wrote:I no longer find the fact that Grund living on the first night unusual since the baddies always want us to do their dirty work in lynching him. If he lives a another couple of nights then that really raises the eyebrows.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:06 am

Well, the story of Newcastle by Grund, didn't change much for me. The post (note the friggin singular) by Bubbles didn't help much. But for me I think I am still willing to see how this plays out. Newcastle's story is interesting as I would expect a wolf to claim Seer to try and out him, but then claiming Seer makes sure you either die this day or next while posing as a villager could buy you a lot more time, particularly if we are not near his partner. I also notice that Newcastle's suspects happen to be a player on the edge but previously mentioned as a suspect by Grund and thus potentially bandwagonable, Lassr who, OH, ditto and Grund (sort of), who I have been pointing at. If these are his suspects why not speak up or vote earlier? Why wait for 4 against himself?

Anyway, I'm willing to put him back to three and see where it plays from here.

Lynch Newcastle

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:13 am

i hate to do this, but I find this game too distracting for me in terms of doing what i need to do in RL...so lynch away at me guys. you lose one of your whiffs, but you really dont lose anything (well except for my contributions, and smiling persona). unless you guys got someone else who is burning away at you. I honestly dont have the time to really play these games right now, and i find myself thinking about it too much. so please, do me a favor, lynch me. I am not going to lynch myself.

and yes i was playing a game with my RP'ing.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:17 am

Newcastle wrote:i hate to do this, but I find this game too distracting for me in terms of doing what i need to do in RL...so lynch away at me guys. you lose one of your whiffs, but you really dont lose anything (well except for my contributions, and smiling persona). unless you guys got someone else who is burning away at you. I honestly dont have the time to really play these games right now, and i find myself thinking about it too much. so please, do me a favor, lynch me. I am not going to lynch myself.

If you were a Wolf, I don't think you'd sacrifice dignity for self-preservation.

I'm provisionally going to posit that you're human.

Remus West

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:24 am

Newcastle wrote:i hate to do this, but I find this game too distracting for me in terms of doing what i need to do in RL...

Hey! If we're going to sacrifice RL for the sake of an emphemeral game, then you're certainly on the hook to do so as well.

You're not going free that easily....

warm smell of colitas rising up through the air....

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:27 am

Code: Select all

  Austin acc tru1cy(1)
  tru1cy acc Austin(1)
 Austin wd tru1cy(0)
  Austin acc pr0ner(1)
  Grundbegriff acc Austin(2)
  Remus West acc Grundbegriff(1)
  tru1cy wd Austin(1)
  Austin wd pr0ner(0)
  Remus West wd Grundbegriff(0)
  Lassr acc Zurai(1)
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tru1cy acc Remus West(2)
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Newcastle acc Mr Bubbles(1)-
  Remus West wd Newcastle(3)
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Grundbegriff acc Remus West(2)-

Against Remus West(1): tru1cy, Grundbegriff
Against Newcastle(3): Lassr, Austin, Remus West
Against Mr Bubbles(1): Newcastle

No vote registered:
Mr Bubbles, pr0ner, Zurai

Dead: Unagi

Hey, Newcastle. If you're really human, come help us string up Remus Beast.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:16 am

*psst, Grund, I withdrew my vote on Remus.* Heading to work. let me reread what happened since I post last and i will vote again

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:09 am

withdraw Newcastle. Ha ha! Try and get some work done now! I'll read a bit more carefully when I get to work.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:00 am

Lynch Remus West Yeah I'm okay with taking down Remus. I think Newcastle was almost railroaded. At least one or both Wolves was in that lynching vote for newcastle

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:08 am

Gah. I kind of want to vote Remus but I keep thinking it might be an error. Can I put in half a vote? Remu

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:30 am

Newcastle wrote:i hate to do this, but I find this game too distracting for me in terms of doing what i need to do in RL...so lynch away at me guys. you lose one of your whiffs, but you really dont lose anything (well except for my contributions, and smiling persona). unless you guys got someone else who is burning away at you. I honestly dont have the time to really play these games right now, and i find myself thinking about it too much. so please, do me a favor, lynch me. I am not going to lynch myself.

and yes i was playing a game with my RP'ing.

Nice of you to post this right after I reinstate my vote but at least you got me to #1. withdraw Newcastle

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:39 am

The plea seemed genuine but could be a devious ploy to avoid lynching. I'll go with the crowd though and withdraw Newcastle.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:42 am

Perhaps we need to hear from Zurai and Pr0ner a bit more. Or perhaps we should just lynch Lassr; for fun.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:42 am

Grund, I really thought you would put your vote back onto Newcastle, save for that last post of his I think you still would have.

Let us look at the story of Grund. Unfortunately I do not have the time to go back and provide all the fancy links but stay with me anyway.

First - Provides bad advice at night. Does not admit that it was bad until it has been repeatedly pointed out by others. In fact does not begin by saying much of anything at the start of the day.

Second - You will notice that my list was the first one posted. It was as much a comment on the missing ones Grund usually posts as anything else.

Third - Throws out mild accusations at close to half the village. At one time or another he has made accusational statements about tru1cy, Bubbles, Newcastle, Lassr, and obviously myself. Then pursued the one which got the most attention. When that seemed to fall back he went with #2.

Fourth - He has narrowed down the field consistantly of the folks with trades, putting them in position to either be called a liar or admit to having a trade. This, as pointed out in condemning his bad advice, does not help the village but does help the wolves as it aids in clearing up their targets for night munching.

Fifth - And most damning of all now that he has openly come after me in my eyes. He is still alive. He is smart enough to know that he has had my number EVERYTIME I have been a bad guy and he was in the village. He did it in the Vampire game, he did it last game based off of almost nothing. He noted himself that I have become predictable to him. And yet he accusses me of being a wolf while he lived through the night. IF I WERE A WOLF DO YOU REALLY THINK GRUND WOULD STILL BE WITH US?

Now, I have no Role but I do have a role so losing me to the lynch does not hurt the village any more than losing Newcastle would have. And yes, I would have let him go to the rope. I thought he might be a wolf but also I was very interested to see who would put the fifth vote on there regardless of his wolfiness or not.

I am not a Role so getting me lynched is not a great victory for the wolves save for the little bit of potentially hampering the Priest. But I am also therefore an easy target as I have nothing extra to defend myself with.

Trouble is I am not a wolf. Grund should be aware of that as he knows how completely he has caught me lately. Yet still he targets me.

All of the above points to Grundbegriff being a wolf. For a while I felt like he was just off and I would make sure he was in everyone's eye just in case but his soliciting votes against me the same way he was against Newcastle shows me he just wants to get someone lynched and doesn't really care who.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:42 am

Yeah I've pulled that one before. But a chance to lynch Remus is too good to pass up.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:44 am

Mr Bubbles wrote:Yeah I've pulled that one before. But a chance to lynch Remus is too good to pass up.

Enjoy.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:44 am

On the second hand withdraw Remus. I need more time to think about this one. There is something that doesn't seem right.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:48 am

I don't think I'll be voting for either Remus or Grund just yet.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:49 am

Austin wrote:Gah. I kind of want to vote Remus but I keep thinking it might be an error. Can I put in half a vote? Remu

Here's the deal. My argument against Newcastle is completely stupid. I explicitly, emphatically announced that it was based on nothing more than an intuition about how he roleplays.

He was completely non-defensive. Meanwhile, Remus West was willing to sign off on that and to send Newcastle to his death on such flimsy evidence.

Questions:

1. Why would Remus West allow me to lead a gangrush on Newcastle like that for such flimsy reasons, when the population is so small, unless he didn't care which human we accidentally lynch?

2. Why would Remus West not only tolerate such a move without objection, but actually sign on the dotted line when the vote looks inevitable?

Whatever he is, he ain't human. I've triple-confirmed it; now let's act.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:50 am

tru1cy wrote:Lynch Remus West Yeah I'm okay with taking down Remus. I think Newcastle was almost railroaded. At least one or both Wolves was in that lynching vote for newcastle

Yes. That was the plan.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:50 am

Grundbegriff wrote:
Austin wrote:Gah. I kind of want to vote Remus but I keep thinking it might be an error. Can I put in half a vote? Remu
Here's the deal. My argument against Newcastle is completely stupid. I explicitly, emphatically announced that it was based on nothing more than an intuition about how he roleplays.

He was completely non-defensive. Meanwhile, Remus West was willing to sign off on that and to send Newcastle to his death on such flimsy evidence.

Questions:

1. Why would Remus West allow me to lead a gangrush on Newcastle like that for such flimsy reasons, when the population is so small, unless he didn't care which human we accidentally lynch?

2. Why would Remus West not only tolerate such a move without objection, but actually sign on the dotted line when the vote looks inevitable?

Whatever he is, he ain't human. I've triple-confirmed it; now let's act.

I voted for Newcastle too.

Edit: Day 1 fatigue is setting in.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:57 am

Remus West wrote:Grund, I really thought you would put your vote back onto Newcastle, save for that last post of his I think you still would have.

You're mistaken, puppy. It was all about you, all the time. Look how I phrased my intention to return after the Story of N and reinstate a vote. Not that vote; there was another I could reinstate, and that was Remus West, whom I was fixin' to test for the last time.

This was before the post from Newcastle that you're pretending you found persuasive.

Fickle I'm not. Scheming? You bet.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:01 am

Sheesh. Okay.... Grund's rush/push on Remus is making me uncomfortable with him (Grund) now too. However I am starting to believe that Remus is not the Seer. I also think it could be a strong wolf play to avoid claiming seer to save one's life if possible - as in "If he was a wolf he would have claimed special when pushed to the brink." I'm still thinking that Grund might be mis-convinced, like he was on me last game. However he could be right too and Remus' big pushback is retaliatory votes.

How about this? What if the wolves come forward and confess and promise to only eat cows and chickens (from the next town over). We'll allow them to liove so long as they serve us by defending us against the next town over's night attacks? Just step forward and we promise not to lynch you.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:02 am

Grundbegriff wrote:
Remus West wrote:Grund, I really thought you would put your vote back onto Newcastle, save for that last post of his I think you still would have.
You're mistaken, puppy. It was all about you, all the time. Look how I phrased my intention to return after the Story of N and reinstate a vote. Not that vote; there was another I could reinstate, and that was Remus West, whom I was fixin' to test for the last time.

This was before the post from Newcastle that you're pretending you found persuasive.

Fickle I'm not. Scheming? You bet.

Huh... I did miss that a. Nice. Okay, I'll follow on this day. Remus West.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:04 am

Grundbegriff wrote:
Remus West wrote:Grund, I really thought you would put your vote back onto Newcastle, save for that last post of his I think you still would have.
You're mistaken, puppy. It was all about you, all the time. Look how I phrased my intention to return after the Story of N and reinstate a vote. Not that vote; there was another I could reinstate, and that was Remus West, whom I was fixin' to test for the last time.

This was before the post from Newcastle that you're pretending you found persuasive.

Fickle I'm not. Scheming? You bet.

I've known you were headed for me the entire time anyway killer. You always go after your #2 target. I was willing to vote Newcastle and see him lynched because 1) You didn't pick the target Lassr did and 2) I wanted to see who would join you on it at the end.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:07 am

Austin wrote:I voted for Newcastle too.

Maybe that means you're a Werewolf. But I don't see you as a Werewolf just yet.

Remus West as a human, however, would never just stand by and not even put in two cents while someone railroads an innocent on the basis of an intuition about role playing, totally irrespective of such factors as strategy, evidence, and relevance.

The only way he could act more wolfy is to pee on a hydrant.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:08 am

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  Austin acc tru1cy(1)
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  Austin acc pr0ner(1)
  Grundbegriff acc Austin(2)
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Newcastle acc Mr Bubbles(1)-
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Austin acc Remus West(3)-

Against Remus West(3): Grundbegriff, tru1cy, Austin
Against Mr Bubbles(1): Newcastle
Against Grundbegriff(1): Remus West

No vote registered:
Lassr, Mr Bubbles, pr0ner, Zurai

Dead: Unagi

Hey, Newcastle. If you're really human, come help us string up Remus Beast.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:11 am

Grundbegriff wrote:
Austin wrote:I voted for Newcastle too.
Maybe that means you're a Werewolf. But I don't see you as a Werewolf just yet.

Remus West as a human, however, would never just stand by and not even put in two cents while someone railroads an innocent on the basis of an intuition about role playing, totally irrespective of such factors as strategy, evidence, and relevance.

The only way he could act more wolfy is to pee on a hydrant.

Now its just roleplaying. Hmmm, and here I thought I was willing to string him up for revealing he had a trade without being pressured to do so. Ah well, guess I don't know me.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:50 am

Remus West wrote:All of the above points to Grundbegriff being a wolf. For a while I felt like he was just off and I would make sure he was in everyone's eye just in case but his soliciting votes against me the same way he was against Newcastle shows me he just wants to get someone lynched and doesn't really care who.

Remus West wrote:I've known you were headed for me the entire time anyway killer. You always go after your #2 target. I was willing to vote Newcastle and see him lynched because 1) You didn't pick the target Lassr did and 2) I wanted to see who would join you on it at the end.

You need to get your story straight, Hairball. Either I'm evil because I've shown I just want to kill someone and don't care whom, xor I'm evil because I've shown I just want to kill you and care whom.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:55 am

Remus West wrote:Now its just roleplaying. Hmmm, and here I thought I was willing to string him up for revealing he had a trade without being pressured to do so. Ah well, guess I don't know me.

As my little picture essay and fuchsia-coded Story of Newcastle demonstrate, he didn't actually make clear what his role was. Is he a movie director? Is he a painter? Is he a nature writer? A poet. Is he some sort of scientist (or wolf hunter?) examining the hair sample that he plucked from the ground near Austin?

I only declared that he had outed himself in a wolflike way. I declared this contrary to the evidence, as Newcastle himself pointed out.

You preferred my declaration over the evidence, Remus Beast, because you only wanted to (a) see some innocent die, (b) kill some innocent tonight, (c) let me live tonight, and (d) claim that my ongoing life and the "way I misled people into voting against poor Newcastle" show me to be Wolfy.

Well, you're not as nefarious as you think you are. It was all about you, Benji. Now roll over and play dead.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:17 am

What's bothering me is why I have not been more in Grund's crosshairs.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:20 am

Lassr wrote:What's bothering me is why I have not been more in Grund's crosshairs.

Why? Are you a Werewolf?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:25 am

Lassr wrote:What's bothering me is why I have not been more in Grund's crosshairs.

My guess is you're tomorrow's lynch. (:P)

Actually he has targeted you a bit but not pushed. Tru1cy has too and actually voted for you for being too quiet. I pointed out the vote was odd as Pr0ner (and now that I think about it, Zurai) have been more quiet than you.

At this point if Grund were to be found a wolf, I'd push for Tru1cy next and vice versa. I think the seer needs to scan one of those two tonight and if one is wolfy, let us know tomorrow. I'm not saying I really strongly suspect either of them, although Tru1cy has been on my radar quite a lot this game, but I would really like a confirmation on one of them. (if found wolf)

Zurai · Post by **Zurai** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:27 pm

Sorry I was so quiet yesterday; I got home from work and almost immediately got invited to a game at a friend's house.

It seems to me that both Remus and Grund are acting pretty aggressively. Grund usually seems pretty aggressive to me, so that's not too out of the ordinary. Remus is pinging my radar, but I'm not quite ready to vote for him yet.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:31 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
Remus West wrote:All of the above points to Grundbegriff being a wolf. For a while I felt like he was just off and I would make sure he was in everyone's eye just in case but his soliciting votes against me the same way he was against Newcastle shows me he just wants to get someone lynched and doesn't really care who.

After you joined the vote I WAS ALREADY ON you said everyone should jump on to help us lynch Newcastle the wolf. Thus soliciting votes the same way you are against me.

Grundbegriff wrote:
Remus West wrote:I've known you were headed for me the entire time anyway killer. You always go after your #2 target. I was willing to vote Newcastle and see him lynched because 1) You didn't pick the target Lassr did and 2) I wanted to see who would join you on it at the end.
You need to get your story straight, Hairball. Either I'm evil because I've shown I just want to kill someone and don't care whom, xor I'm evil because I've shown I just want to kill you and care whom.

Show me a game in which you did not end the first day going after a different target than your first announced push. You always go after a second one. Just because I don't care if a suspect joins me on a vote against another suspect doesn't mean I stopped thinking the first was a wolf. Bad guys vote for each other all the time. If Newcastle was evil and you thought he was going down you would happily vote for him as cover. If Newcastle was good but you thought he was going down AND I was nice and set up to be lynched next you would happily vote for him. I believe that second to be the case. I believe that once Newcastle posted the bit about "go ahead and lynch me" you knew folks would pull back. Thus you went directly to plan lynch Remus.

Losing me hurts the village no more than losing Newcastle would though so...Lynch Remus West. Pay close attention to the folks on this lynch though maybe it will help sometime down the road.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:35 pm

editted above to fix the tags.

Posted this to say "Screw you, do it yourself." withdraw Remus West

Lynch Grundbegriff

If you folks are determined to lynch the villagers you would have been better off lynching Newcastle who hasn't been active. If you want to take your best shot at a wolf you are barking up the wrong tree with Grund's pick of me.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:37 pm

Also wanted to say just for those who do not know me well enough that the "screw you" above is meant out of love not anger but out of play. I am not angry, I am having fun.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:39 pm

Remus West wrote:If you folks are determined to lynch the villagers you would have been better off lynching Newcastle who hasn't been active. If you want to take your best shot at a wolf you are barking up the wrong tree with Grund's pick of me.

Newcastle has been fairly active, and he's been doing something you haven't been doing: trying to save the village by hunting Werewolves.