[WW] Crimson Moon III - Game ends in a Draw?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:34 pm

pr0ner wrote:I think we just need to nuke the town from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Yes, last game we should have used fire, the noose is too damn unpredictable it seems.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:46 pm

Looking back at 2 games where Austin was a wolf I see that he over states numerous times his innocence and brings up being scanned to prove it. He makes connections between posters such as if player A is wolf then he wouldn't be surprised if player B and player C are wolves.

He has not latched onto his innocence in this game so far but he has brought up a scenario earlier where he made connections on who he thought the 3 wolves could be if...

Triggercut is a little suspicious like Remus said and Mr. Bubbles just because he's quiet but that's really not unusual which makes him dangerous.

So I'm sticking with Austin simply because he has shown a few traits that were common in some of his other games where he was the bad guy.

BUT I do agree it's not much to go on right now. Someone give me a better target and I'll consider changing my vote.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:47 pm

pr0ner wrote:I think we just need to nuke the town from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

and it would put a quick end to day 1...and day 2, day 3...etc

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:46 pm

Lassr

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:44 pm

Remus West wrote:Lassr

that's NOT a better target. I'm actually trying to win for the village.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:49 pm

Remus West wrote:The retaliatory vote thing is because it screams "Wolf" and Austin is smarter than that.

I'll say it again. It doesn't scream "wolf" or "innocent", it screams "Oh yeah? How do you like it!?" Personally, I think (especially on day 1) - the retaliatory nature of the vote is unreadable one way or the other.

Remus West wrote:Austin's vote looked to be an attempt to keep his head out of the noose - very wolfish move but also very transparent wolfish move.

This really starts to become one of those "Unless he knows I know he knows that I know he knows, then....." things. You guys all have these rules-of-thumb that apply when and where you want them to, but are meaningless when applied where you don't want them to.

I understand you've drawn some distinction between triggercut and Austin's "retaliatory votes". I accept the differences, however I have trouble jumping to the conclusions you have come to.

Remus West wrote:Maybe I'm giving him to much credit but I think he plays the bad guy much more subtley than that so I can not imagine that being his move if he were. A wolf Austin would have been more likely to try redirecting suspicion away from you and he so that the flow carried the conversation away from him as much as possible.

Errrr, like declaring his attempts to crack "Unagi the Wolf" are finished and we should now focus on Lassr?

Austin wrote:you'll find, "wolf like" doesn't mean much anymore.

Indeed.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:44 pm

Unagi wrote:
Remus West wrote:The retaliatory vote thing is because it screams "Wolf" and Austin is smarter than that.
I'll say it again. It doesn't scream "wolf" or "innocent", it screams "Oh yeah? How do you like it!?" Personally, I think (especially on day 1) - the retaliatory nature of the vote is unreadable one way or the other.

Remus West wrote:Austin's vote looked to be an attempt to keep his head out of the noose - very wolfish move but also very transparent wolfish move.
This really starts to become one of those "Unless he knows I know he knows that I know he knows, then....." things. You guys all have these rules-of-thumb that apply when and where you want them to, but are meaningless when applied where you don't want them to.

I understand you've drawn some distinction between triggercut and Austin's "retaliatory votes". I accept the differences, however I have trouble jumping to the conclusions you have come to.
Remus West wrote:Maybe I'm giving him to much credit but I think he plays the bad guy much more subtley than that so I can not imagine that being his move if he were. A wolf Austin would have been more likely to try redirecting suspicion away from you and he so that the flow carried the conversation away from him as much as possible.
Errrr, like declaring his attempts to crack "Unagi the Wolf" are finished and we should now focus on Lassr?

Austin wrote:you'll find, "wolf like" doesn't mean much anymore.
Indeed.

The difference between them is simply that Austin has offered more than just the retaliatory votes. Triggercut has ONLY offered retaliatory votes.

As for his behavior, I was speaking more to the immediately after your post count thing rather than what he is doing now. You have a point about the Unagi thing, but maybe he gets what I have been saying about you?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:22 pm

Unagi is blinded. I now know how Grund must have felt. I now understand the power of condescension. I will now be known as Austinbegriff.

Analyzing.

Lassr and friends.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:27 pm

Grund does not condescend to title his images.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:39 pm

A copy is never quite as good as the original.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:50 pm

Austin wrote:Unagi is blinded. I now know how Grund must have felt. I now understand the power of condescension. I will now be known as Austinbegriff.

Analyzing.

Lassr and friends.

Nice. Although Remus and you are acting like you are the ones under there sucking on the teat.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:57 pm

Austin wrote:Unagi is blinded. I now know how Grund must have felt. I now understand the power of condescension. I will now be known as Austinbegriff.
Analyzing.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:26 pm

Austin wrote:I now understand the power of condescension.

Let it flow through you. Feel the power of the top side.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:01 am

Austin wrote:Unagi is blinded. I now know how Grund must have felt. I now understand the power of condescension. I will now be known as Austinbegriff.

You must be refering to the other game I played, where Grundbegriff was lynched as the Seer on the first day. You really seemed to imply that I led the charge on his lynching. You actually started that vote, and a while later withdrew it, then came back and revoted for him soon again. Only then did I join you and Remus to lynch our Seer, Grundbegriff.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:17 am

Unagi wrote:
Austin wrote:Unagi is blinded. I now know how Grund must have felt. I now understand the power of condescension. I will now be known as Austinbegriff.
You must be refering to the other game I played, where Grundbegriff was lynched as the Seer on the first day. You really seemed to imply that I led the charge on his lynching. You actually started that vote, and a while later withdrew it, then came back and revoted for him soon again. Only then did I join you and Remus to lynch our Seer, Grundbegriff.

Ha ha.

Of course your side went on to win so...he who laughs last and all that.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:21 am

Remus West wrote:Ha ha. Of course your side went on to win so...he who laughs last and all that.

with an Austin-Unagi link up at the end, none the less.

Ahhh, good times.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:22 am

So, Remus, why Lassr?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:28 am

pr0ner wrote:So, Remus, why Lassr?

As I mentioned his vote on the Austin wagon felt wrong to me. If Austin is a wolf I would bet Lassr was playing the "look I helped lynch him" card. If Austin is not a wolf then it looks like he was trying to roll the wagons onward. His switch from no Austin hate to vote just felt forced. Honestly, that move is the biggest stalling block I have in Austin right now as well but since I think it points to Lassr's guilt regardless of Austin's I paced my vote there. Its the best I have to go on right now so I'm thinking I'll keep up with the thread but that my vote is set for this day. If something drastic happens to change it then I will tell right away instead of holding back large chunks of my thinking and waiting for response.

Specifically, Lassr's vote reminded me of mine on Newcastle last game.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:13 am

Lassr wrote:
Austin wrote:Unagi is blinded. I now know how Grund must have felt. I now understand the power of condescension. I will now be known as Austinbegriff.

Analyzing.

Lassr and friends.
Nice. Although Remus and you are acting like you are the ones under there sucking on the teat.

Just be glad I didn't have Photoshop on the computer I was using last night.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:24 am

Unagi wrote:
Austin wrote:Unagi is blinded. I now know how Grund must have felt. I now understand the power of condescension. I will now be known as Austinbegriff.
You must be refering to the other game I played, where Grundbegriff was lynched as the Seer on the first day. You really seemed to imply that I led the charge on his lynching. You actually started that vote, and a while later withdrew it, then came back and revoted for him soon again. Only then did I join you and Remus to lynch our Seer, Grundbegriff.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:58 am

I find it hard to believe that 3 wolves have started a railroad against Austin. I know I am innocent, so that would mean Unagi, Pr0ner and Lassr are wolves. The Wolves would rather get the game moving as the more time we discuss this the more of a chance one of them will make a mistake.

I'm really thinking that Austin is now a wolf. If he wasn;t the wolves would have jumped on this vote awhile ago to get the game moving

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:02 am

Remus West wrote:
pr0ner wrote:So, Remus, why Lassr?
As I mentioned his vote on the Austin wagon felt wrong to me. If Austin is a wolf I would bet Lassr was playing the "look I helped lynch him" card. If Austin is not a wolf then it looks like he was trying to roll the wagons onward. His switch from no Austin hate to vote just felt forced. Honestly, that move is the biggest stalling block I have in Austin right now as well but since I think it points to Lassr's guilt regardless of Austin's I paced my vote there. Its the best I have to go on right now so I'm thinking I'll keep up with the thread but that my vote is set for this day. If something drastic happens to change it then I will tell right away instead of holding back large chunks of my thinking and waiting for response.

Specifically, Lassr's vote reminded me of mine on Newcastle last game.

Posted last Friday:

Lassr wrote:Need I say it:

1. Austin
2. Everyone else

I focused on Unagi first since he was new trying to get some kind of read on him, but all along I was keeping my eye on Austin.

You're vote is misplaced but that is your prerogative...

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:15 am

tru1cy wrote:I find it hard to believe that 3 wolves have started a railroad against Austin. I know I am innocent, so that would mean Unagi, Pr0ner and Lassr are wolves. The Wolves would rather get the game moving as the more time we discuss this the more of a chance one of them will make a mistake.

I'm really thinking that Austin is now a wolf. If he wasn;t the wolves would have jumped on this vote awhile ago to get the game moving

/boggle

Silky · Post by **Silky** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:31 am

I cannot know for certain what the wolves plans are but I can guess. They are more than willing to drag this out. They will not railroad an innocent just for the sake of speeding the game up. They will not want have all three vote together if they can help it.

I would also be surprised if there isn't a wolf among the Unagi, Pr0ner, Lassr crowd. They same can pretty much be said of any random group of three from the village so there you go.

Zurai · Post by **Zurai** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:16 am

Longest... day 1... evar!!

Seriously, can we just string someone up?

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:19 am

Can someone post a vote count?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:35 am

Zurai wrote:Longest... day 1... evar!!

Seriously, can we just string someone up?

Who are you voting for again?

Zurai · Post by **Zurai** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:50 am

Austin wrote:
Zurai wrote:Longest... day 1... evar!!

Seriously, can we just string someone up?
Who are you voting for again?

Silky.

Not that it matters, since there's no one that's even really close to being hung. If I have to I'll change my vote, but there's still no one striking me as especially wolf-like.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:50 am

Code: Select all

  Austin acc Zurai(1)
pr0ner acc Austin(1)
Silky acc triggercut(1)
  Remus West acc Silky(1)
  Austin wd Zurai(0)
tru1cy acc Austin(2)
  triggercut acc Silky(2)
Unagi acc Austin(3)
Zurai acc Silky(3)
  Remus West wd Silky(2)
  Remus West acc triggercut(2)
  Lassr acc Unagi(1)
  Austin acc Unagi(2)
  triggercut wd Silky(1)
  triggercut acc Remus West(1)
  Remus West wd triggercut(1)-
Newcastle acc Remus West(2)
  triggercut wd Remus West(1)-
triggercut acc Silky(2)-
  Lassr wd Unagi(1)
  Austin wd Unagi(0)
Austin acc Lassr(1)
Lassr acc Austin(4)-
Remus West acc Lassr(2)-

Against triggercut(1): Silky
Against Remus West(1): Newcastle
Against Silky(2): Zurai, triggercut
Against Lassr(2): Austin, Remus West
Against Austin(4): pr0ner, tru1cy, Unagi, Lassr

No vote registered: Mr Bubbles

Votes required for lynchification: 6

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:52 am

Grundbegriff wrote:
Code: Select all
  Austin acc Zurai(1)
pr0ner acc Austin(1)
Silky acc triggercut(1)
  Remus West acc Silky(1)
  Austin wd Zurai(0)
tru1cy acc Austin(2)
  triggercut acc Silky(2)
Unagi acc Austin(3)
Zurai acc Silky(3)
  Remus West wd Silky(2)
  Remus West acc triggercut(2)
  Lassr acc Unagi(1)
  Austin acc Unagi(2)
  triggercut wd Silky(1)
  triggercut acc Remus West(1)
  Remus West wd triggercut(1)-
Newcastle acc Remus West(2)
  triggercut wd Remus West(1)-
triggercut acc Silky(2)-
  Lassr wd Unagi(1)
  Austin wd Unagi(0)
Austin acc Lassr(1)
Lassr acc Austin(4)-
Remus West acc Lassr(2)-
Against triggercut(1): Silky
Against Remus West(1): Newcastle
Against Silky(2): Zurai, triggercut
Against Lassr(2): Austin, Remus West
Against Austin(4): pr0ner, tru1cy, Unagi, Lassr

No vote registered: Mr Bubbles

Votes required for lynchification: 6

Fixed Lassr.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:54 am

1. Austin - Zurai (w) Unagi (w) Lassr
2. pr0ner - Austin
3. Lassr - Unagi (w) Austin
4. Zurai - Silky
5. tru1cy - Austin
6. Remus West - Silky (w) triggercut (w) Lassr
7. Grundbegriff - eaten
8. Mr Bubbles - none
9. Unagi - Austin
10. triggercut - Silky (w) Remus West (w) Silky
11. Newcastle - Remus West
12. Silky - triggercut

Austin - 4
Silky - 2
triggercut - 1
Remus West - 1
Lassr - 2
Majority is 6

I believe this is correct.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:55 am

Doh. Beat, not once but twice.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:20 pm

Zurai wrote:
Austin wrote:
Zurai wrote:Longest... day 1... evar!!
Seriously, can we just string someone up?
Who are you voting for again?
Silky.
Not that it matters, since there's no one that's even really close to being hung. If I have to I'll change my vote, but there's still no one striking me as especially wolf-like.

You've given us 1 meaningful post, and that post was to complain that not enough people are posting meaningful posts.

Also, 4 votes is only 1 vote away from being 'Really close to being hung'... I'd say Austin is actually close to being hung, and it's interesting that you have chosen to totally ignore that.

Zurai · Post by **Zurai** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:26 pm

Unagi wrote: You've given us 1 meaningful post, and that post was to complain that not enough people are posting meaningful posts.

Also, 4 votes is only 1 vote away from being 'Really close to being hung'... I'd say Austin is actually close to being hung, and it's interesting that you have chosen to totally ignore that.

How am I totally ignoring it? By your own admission he isn't really close to being strung up. "Really close to being hung" is 5 votes, not 4. If I was voting for Austin at the moment, we STILL would be on day 1. Thus, at the moment, my vote has no signifigance other than the fact that I have registered a vote (unlike Mr. Bubbles, like usual).

Seriously, you're going to make me just not comment at all if you keep acting like a rabid attack dog.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:46 pm

Zurai wrote:How am I totally ignoring it?

Um, by claiming that 4/6 doesn't actually equate to 'close'.

Zurai wrote:By your own admission he isn't really close to being strung up.

Actually, I was trying to point out he was pretty darn close... The longer he hangs at 3, and now 4, votes - the more likely we are looking at a vote that the wolves don't really want to be a part of.

Zurai wrote:Seriously, you're going to make me just not comment at all if you keep acting like a rabid attack dog.

I've barely even mentioned your name until this very moment. Rabid attack dog?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:03 pm

Unagi wrote:The longer he hangs at 3, and now 4, votes - the more likely we are looking at a vote that the wolves don't really want to be a part of.

Or a vote that theyare already a part of. It is not likely that they all place vote together. Or it wasn't, now that I've said it is unlikely it is. Of course now it isn't. I think you can see where I'm going here.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:03 pm

I'm finding it best not to engage Unagi too much. He enjoys naked twister and the spinner is so loud he can't hear past his own thoughts.

Vote Lassr for noose, I guarantee* he's a wolf.

* No actual guarantee real or implied, but really he probably is one.

Zurai · Post by **Zurai** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:08 pm

Unagi wrote:
Zurai wrote:How am I totally ignoring it?
Um, by claiming that 4/6 doesn't actually equate to 'close'.

Really close, TYVM. Again, if I had voted for Austin from the start, we'd still be in exactly the same place we are now: waiting for someone to get hung. Nothing would have changed. That means the vote isn't close enough to qualify as "Really close to being hung".

Zurai wrote:By your own admission he isn't really close to being strung up.
Actually, I was trying to point out he was pretty darn close... The longer he hangs at 3, and now 4, votes - the more likely we are looking at a vote that the wolves don't really want to be a part of.

You're assuming that the wolves havn't already voted for him, and that for some reason the wolves would dogpile on him if they weren't already voting on him. I don't think I've seen an actual wolf dogpile on day 1 in several months.

Zurai wrote:Seriously, you're going to make me just not comment at all if you keep acting like a rabid attack dog.
I've barely even mentioned your name until this very moment. Rabid attack dog?

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Yes. Rabid animals tend to attack everything they see. Which is pretty much what you've been doing. Someone speaks up? You find something desperately wrong with their post.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:39 pm

Austin wrote:I'm finding it best not to engage Unagi too much. He enjoys naked twister and the spinner is so loud he can't hear past his own thoughts.

Vote Lassr for noose, I guarantee* he's a wolf.

* No actual guarantee real or implied, but really he probably is one.

I guarantee I'm NOT a wolf. No asterisk either.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:49 pm

Lassr wrote:
Austin wrote:I'm finding it best not to engage Unagi too much. He enjoys naked twister and the spinner is so loud he can't hear past his own thoughts.

Vote Lassr for noose, I guarantee* he's a wolf.

* No actual guarantee real or implied, but really he probably is one.
I guarantee I'm NOT a wolf. No asterisk either.

Only one way to find out.

How come pr0ner gives me grief for claiming my innocence and not anyone else? Actually it's like I explain to my wife when she calls me defensive, "I wouldn't be able to be defensive without so many people attacking me".

I do encourage silky, newcastle, zurai, bubbles, triggercut, and misguided pr0ner, to vote Lassr for noose.

This brings me to a question. When do specials come forward? Last game I decided day 2 was ideal but there were fewer people. Howver this game we'll have 3 specials to share - assuming none are dead. Does a seer come out on day 1 if he caught a wolf? Does a priest come out when he finds a dead wolf? I think if the priest finds a dead seer he stays quiet; at least on day 2. If the coroner gets two separate hits I'm leaning toward him coming out Day 2.