Octopus Overlords

Chaosraven wrote:

Lassr wrote:

Brendan wrote:

Lassr wrote:My vote is still on Brendan for no other reason than I don't have a good target to change to at the moment.

I pull some Dan Brown symbology nonsense out, and that's not enough to sway you?

Are you talking about the fact that you blew Harvey Dent's cover? (Unagi's Brenan/Brenden errors)
Only a bag guy would expose a special like that!

<Disclaimer: No way would Harvey Dent leave a clue to his identity. Why would he? thus I do not believe Unagi is actually Harvey Dent due to that typo>

bag guy? Hmmmm. G for gordon, left off D. For Dent. Too many clues. Wait... TWO many? Aha lassr was dent, newcastle was rachel and now he's twoface! This game is too easy.

We are all Harvey Dent now.

So, getting back to the "playing" of this game, I have no truly obvious targets as of this very moment. Unagi does seem like he done doth protestethed over much after my vote, but that's not exactly a hanging offense. Tru1cy has posted more than I've ever experienced before, which is certainly unusual, but I want to reward more posting rather than punish it, so I'm not eager to set a precedent where he gets whacked for being more open. On the other hand, he suggested some fairly terrible ideas.

Still, my head asplode from reading too much of the erudite

 Grundbegriff 
 

Brendan wrote: Tru1cy has posted more than I've ever experienced before, which is certainly unusual, but I want to reward more posting rather than punish it, so I'm not eager to set a precedent where he gets whacked for being more open.

That's the approach I took with theohall last game. He was understanding the rules better than usual and making more posts and they all made sense. I didn't want to vote for him the first day due to this MO change, because I liked this new theohall participation...well, turns out he was the bad guy.

Unfortunately, when you play the same style several games in a row then suddenly change it often sends up flags.

Ok, im going into campaign mode...

Isgrimnur, Lassr, theohall, Bubbles, tru1cy, Semaj:

For the most part, you all have noted that your votes are Day One guesses. Why not join me on my vote for Remus West. I have a hunch he is one of the jokers. I will make this pledge, if we kill him and he isn't one of team joker, then I offer myself up as tomorrow's lynch victim.

Would anyone on team joker make that offer on Day one? No, they would lay low and see how things turn out with the votes since they get a kill each night.

I'm just a normal citizen so I'm safe to be lynched and don't have a problem with dying. (Just gives me more time to start work on Starship R.SCOTT).

Oh and ...

 Withdrawal Remus West 
 

I want the kill vote.

Scoop20906 wrote: Oh and ...

 Withdrawal Remus West 
 

I want the kill vote.

Just let's be totally clear - please give anyone/everyone a chance to brain-dump at N-1.

k?

Scoop, yes, the bad guys have made that exact offer in the past. No, I am not a bad guy. You were one of us that disagreed with tru1cy's idea of outing the non-specials so why would you continue the trend? As for those not voting for me, perhaps they are not as foolish as you and see that I am exactly what I have been telling you - not a bad guy.

post saying folks should not mass out

Scoop20906 wrote:Analysis: With a MASS outing the best we can hope for is 6 known and we may get less depending who Newcastle was. That leaves 8 players as unknowns in the best case scenario since I never count people claiming Citizen as "Out" and we have no "true" Seer in this game since scanning roles are divided amongst several players.

Once the 6 players reveal themselves, they can be easily picked off by the Jokers starting with Gordon getting shot during the day by the Sniper.

Mass outing does not make sense to me.

Your actions contradict your words as you just "outed" yourself in the same manner tru1cy did. Unless you are lying about being just a citizen. I think you are. Lying that is.

Scoop20906 wrote:Ok, im going into campaign mode...

Isgrimnur, Lassr, theohall, Bubbles, tru1cy, Semaj:

For the most part, you all have noted that your votes are Day One guesses. Why not join me on my vote for Remus West. I have a hunch he is one of the jokers. I will make this pledge, if we kill him and he isn't one of team joker, then I offer myself up as tomorrow's lynch victim.

Would anyone on team joker make that offer on Day one? No, they would lay low and see how things turn out with the votes since they get a kill each night.

I'm just a normal citizen so I'm safe to be lynched and don't have a problem with dying. (Just gives me more time to start work on Starship R.SCOTT).

Oh and ...

 Withdrawal Remus West 
 

I want the kill vote.

I have a hard time reading Remus but the last several games when he has been good his posts are similar to the ones in this game. Could mean nothing, maybe he's playing the same bad as he does good, but I'm just not ready to vote for him right now. Maybe he will poke the innocents later.

Would anyone on team joker make that offer on Day one?

Yes, yes they would.

Scenario:
Scoop: Oh crap, Remus was innocent, ok a deal is a deal, everyone vote for me. Here I'll start it.  scoop 
citizens: Well crap look at that, he voted for himself and wants us to vote. Nah, he has to be a citizen, let's look elsewhere. 
 
 
 

I'm really tempted to switch to tru1cy. He is participating more and he threw out that one bad idea that seemed....forced, like let me throw something out there to make it look like I'm thinking strategy.

Unagi wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote: Oh and ...

 Withdrawal Remus West 
 

I want the kill vote.

Just let's be totally clear - please give anyone/everyone a chance to brain-dump at N-1.

k?

Yeah, I planned on that. Want to savor the moment, you know? Good point, tho.

Lassr wrote:I'm really tempted to switch to tru1cy. He is participating more and he threw out that one bad idea that seemed....forced, like let me throw something out there to make it look like I'm thinking strategy.

Seems to obvious to me. I remember him playing as a baddie one game and he was completely silent. Complete mum. Why change to this? Its different but doesn't scream bad to me.

Lassr wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:Ok, im going into campaign mode...

Isgrimnur, Lassr, theohall, Bubbles, tru1cy, Semaj:

For the most part, you all have noted that your votes are Day One guesses. Why not join me on my vote for Remus West. I have a hunch he is one of the jokers. I will make this pledge, if we kill him and he isn't one of team joker, then I offer myself up as tomorrow's lynch victim.

Would anyone on team joker make that offer on Day one? No, they would lay low and see how things turn out with the votes since they get a kill each night.

I'm just a normal citizen so I'm safe to be lynched and don't have a problem with dying. (Just gives me more time to start work on Starship R.SCOTT).

Oh and ...

 Withdrawal Remus West 
 

I want the kill vote.

I have a hard time reading Remus but the last several games when he has been good his posts are similar to the ones in this game. Could mean nothing, maybe he's playing the same bad as he does good, but I'm just not ready to vote for him right now. Maybe he will poke the innocents later.

Would anyone on team joker make that offer on Day one?

Yes, yes they would.

Scenario:
Scoop: Oh crap, Remus was innocent, ok a deal is a deal, everyone vote for me. Here I'll start it.  scoop 
citizens: Well crap look at that, he voted for himself and wants us to vote. Nah, he has to be a citizen, let's look elsewhere. 
 
 
 

  

I will not vote for myself. I ascribe to the Remus West school of thought that you make the badies vote for you and get them on the record.

As far as if a baddie would make this pledge, yes they would but how smart would it be? I've already made my life expectancy short by going after Remus in this way. Why stick my neck out on Day One if I'm on Team Joker? Think about that.

If you really think I'm wrong, don't vote with me for Remus but if you have no other options I'm saying we vote for Remus. I have a hunch on Remus and I'm itching to test it. 
 
 
 

Scoop20906 wrote:

Lassr wrote:I'm really tempted to switch to tru1cy. He is participating more and he threw out that one bad idea that seemed....forced, like let me throw something out there to make it look like I'm thinking strategy.

Seems to obvious to me. I remember him playing as a goodie one game and he was completely silent. Complete mum. Why change to this? Its different but doesn't scream good to me.

Equally true with regards to his past behaviors.

I'd appreciate it if those I named could give a response to my call to vote for Remus West like Lassr did (thanks Lassr).

Isgrimnur: ?
Lassr: Not voting for Remus. Not seeing a reason to vote for him. Considered tru1cy.
theohall: ?
Bubbles: ?
tru1cy: ?
Semaj: ?

Remus West wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:

Lassr wrote:I'm really tempted to switch to tru1cy. He is participating more and he threw out that one bad idea that seemed....forced, like let me throw something out there to make it look like I'm thinking strategy.

Seems to obvious to me. I remember him playing as a goodie one game and he was completely silent. Complete mum. Why change to this? Its different but doesn't scream good to me.

Equally true with regards to his past behaviors.

Damn, Remus. I read what you made look like my quote and thought I had actually wrote that until I checked. I thought I had gone insane or something. Could you not do that in the future or at least show in the quote where you changed my text, please. Thanks. Not upset with you or anything. Just pointing it out.

Unagi wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote: Oh and ...

 Withdrawal Remus West 
 

I want the kill vote.

Just let's be totally clear - please give anyone/everyone a chance to brain-dump at N-1.

k?

Since you seem to be online at the moment, how do you feel about switching your vote to Remus West? Your opinion?

I say we reverse the order.

 Scoop20906 
 


If you're innocent, we take out Remus tomorrow.

Status of Remus West Bandwagon:

Isgrimnur: Vote for Scoop20906.
Lassr: Not voting for Remus. Not seeing a reason to vote for him. Considered tru1cy.
theohall: ?
Bubbles: ?
tru1cy: ?
Semaj: ?

Scoop20906 wrote:

Remus West wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:

Lassr wrote:I'm really tempted to switch to tru1cy. He is participating more and he threw out that one bad idea that seemed....forced, like let me throw something out there to make it look like I'm thinking strategy.

Seems to obvious to me. I remember him playing as a baddie goodie one game and he was completely silent. Complete mum. Why change to this? Its different but doesn't scream bad good to me.

Equally true with regards to his past behaviors.

Damn, Remus. I read what you made look like my quote and thought I had actually wrote that until I checked. I thought I had gone insane or something. Could you not do that in the future or at least show in the quote where you changed my text, please. Thanks. Not upset with you or anything. Just pointing it out.

To be clear:
Scoop's real comment was about tru1cy playing silent as an evil role. I changed it to being tru1cy playing silent as a good guy and commented on how the two were equal commentaries on tru1cy's play style. I have now colored the words I changed along with a strikethrough of what they originally were in the imbedded quote here so you can see them easier.

Remus West wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:

Remus West wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:

Lassr wrote:I'm really tempted to switch to tru1cy. He is participating more and he threw out that one bad idea that seemed....forced, like let me throw something out there to make it look like I'm thinking strategy.

Seems to obvious to me. I remember him playing as a baddie goodie one game and he was completely silent. Complete mum. Why change to this? Its different but doesn't scream bad good to me.

Equally true with regards to his past behaviors.

Damn, Remus. I read what you made look like my quote and thought I had actually wrote that until I checked. I thought I had gone insane or something. Could you not do that in the future or at least show in the quote where you changed my text, please. Thanks. Not upset with you or anything. Just pointing it out.

To be clear:
Scoop's real comment was about tru1cy playing silent as an evil role. I changed it to being tru1cy playing silent as a good guy and commented on how the two were equal commentaries on tru1cy's play style. I have now colored the words I changed along with a strikethrough of what they originally were in the imbedded quote here so you can see them easier.

Thank you.

Vote Count - Act 1

• Scoop acc tru1cy (1)
  Lagom acc Chaos (1)
• Remus acc Semaj (1)
• theohall acc Mr Bubbles (1)
  Semaj acc Remus (1)
• Lassr acc Brendan (1)
  Lagom wd Chaos (0)
  Scoop wd tru1cy (0)
  Scoop acc Remus (2)
• Bubbles acc Chaos (1)
• tru1cy acc Unagi (1)
  Semaj wd Remus (1)
• Semaj acc Isgrimnur (1)
  Brendan acc Unagi (2)
• Unagi acc Brendan (2)
  Isgrimnur acc Grund (1)
• Lagom acc tru1cy (1)
• Chaos acc Brendan (3)
  Brendan wd Unagi (1)
• Brendan acc Grund (2)
  Scoop wd Remus (0)
  Isgrimnur wd Grund (1)
• Isgrimnur acc Scoop (1)

Mob rule occurs at 7 votes.

Against Semaj (1): Remus
Against Mr Bubbles (1): theohall
Against Brendan (3): Lassr, Unagi, Chaosraven
Against Chaosraven (1): Bubbles
Against Unagi (1): tru1cy
Against Isgrimnur (1): Semaj
Against Grund (1): Brendan
Against tru1cy (1): Lagom
Against Scoop (1): Isgrimnur

No votes: Grundbegriff, Scoop20906

Scoop20906 wrote:Status of Remus West Bandwagon:

Isgrimnur: Vote for Scoop20906.
Lassr: Not voting for Remus. Not seeing a reason to vote for him. Considered tru1cy.
theohall: ?
Bubbles: ?
tru1cy: ?
Semaj: ?

1 vote is not a bandwagon.

Remus West wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:Status of Remus West Bandwagon:

Isgrimnur: Vote for Scoop20906.
Lassr: Not voting for Remus. Not seeing a reason to vote for him. Considered tru1cy.
theohall: ?
Bubbles: ?
tru1cy: ?
Semaj: ?

1 vote is not a bandwagon.

Its my bandwagon. Bugger off!!!

And just to be clear to everyone, just because I like Remus and I am joking around with him doesn't mean I don't have a hunch Remus is on Team Joker. I just want all the credit.

Brendan wrote:We are all Harvey Dent now.

So, getting back to the "playing" of this game, I have no truly obvious targets as of this very moment. Unagi does seem like he done doth protestethed over much after my vote, but that's not exactly a hanging offense. Tru1cy has posted more than I've ever experienced before, which is certainly unusual, but I want to reward more posting rather than punish it, so I'm not eager to set a precedent where he gets whacked for being more open. On the other hand, he suggested some fairly terrible ideas.

Still, my head asplode from reading too much of the erudite

 Grundbegriff 
 

Brendan, mind changing your vote from Grund to Remus West?

Why Remus? I have no issue of voting of Remus, but I would like to know why?

tru1cy wrote:Why Remus? I have no issue of voting of Remus, but I would like to know why?

I got a vibe that Remus's discussion with me and Isgrimnur regarding players staying silent to survive instead of posting their thoughts felt "forced" to me like he was making a big effort to show he was good/not evil. Its a hunch but on Day One what else do you have? Its up to you if you think thats better than random.org.

I think you should switch your vote to Remus West.

 semaj 
 


why?

Semaj wrote:

Remus West wrote:

Lassr wrote:showed semaj to be the Joker

 Semaj 
 

Sigh, if I get run up a flagpole due to random.org, I will be very cross.

reads like, of all the ways to get "caught" this is not he way I want to get caught.

I really have nothing. But someone has to go.

Lassr wrote:I really have nothing. But someone has to go.

If you have nothing, why not vote for Remus? Are you that confident he is not on Team Joker? I mean, you did say you have nothing.

Scoop,
As you know (...right?) Remus is/was on my short list, his launch into this game felt a little different from his last launch... but then I also felt that his last launch was a little like his previous launch (and well, he wasn't the same alignment in those two games - so it says my read of him needs improvement). That being said - yeah, I think Remus could very well be a baddie in this game, but I still feel better about my current vote.

Mind if I reverse this on you? I've been pretty clear about why I think Brendan's reasoning was fabricated. And I think fabrication is indeed a good sign of a wolf. What do you feel about joining me on the Brendan boat. I will point out that it's got more members then your group - and the person "pushing it" (me) is actually willing to be on the vote (unlike you, not even being on the Remus vote at all)

Arguably, you should be totally fine with Isgrimnur's proposal (personally, I wouldn't trust him to follow through with the bargain).

I will tell you this - at the start of the game, Remus was defintely making me feel like he was wolfy. But I didn't like Brendan's statement and his reaction (which appears to be: "Ok, Ok, let's pretend I never voted for you, I really want to lynch Grund") has only given me resolve. Sorta like the resolve he said my reaction had given him - but then he dropped that too.

Remus on the other hand, has basically just maintained his level of 'guilt' in my eyes. Not up nor down - but that just means he's still on my short list.

I think you should place a vote Scoop.
And I think you should place it on Brendan. If you don't and he turns up wolf - I promise to vote for you the next day.

Lassr wrote: semaj 
 


why?

Semaj wrote:

Remus West wrote:

Lassr wrote:showed semaj to be the Joker

 Semaj 
 

Sigh, if I get run up a flagpole due to random.org, I will be very cross.

reads like, of all the ways to get "caught" this is not he way I want to get caught.

I really have nothing. But someone has to go.

Or.. as we all know, Harassment is a tried and true method of torturing your friends/colleagues. I could well see that having become a battle anthem to drop me.

I mean shit we all die, if its my turn it's my turn. But if I go, I wanna get sniped/blow up or die peacefully in my sleep like everyone else.

Scoop20906 wrote:

Lassr wrote:I really have nothing. But someone has to go.

If you have nothing, why not vote for Remus? Are you that confident he is not on Team Joker? I mean, you did say you have nothing.

I have nothing that screams evil to me. There are a few that do not look evil to me.

Unagi wrote:Scoop,
As you know (...right?) Remus is/was on my short list, his launch into this game felt a little different from his last launch... but then I also felt that his last launch was a little like his previous launch (and well, he wasn't the same alignment in those two games - so it says my read of him needs improvement). That being said - yeah, I think Remus could very well be a baddie in this game, but I still feel better about my current vote.

Mind if I reverse this on you? I've been pretty clear about why I think Brendan's reasoning was fabricated. And I think fabrication is indeed a good sign of a wolf. What do you feel about joining me on the Brendan boat. I will point out that it's got more members then your group - and the person "pushing it" (me) is actually willing to be on the vote (unlike you, not even being on the Remus vote at all)

Arguably, you should be totally fine with Isgrimnur's proposal (personally, I wouldn't trust him to follow through with the bargain).

I will tell you this - at the start of the game, Remus was defintely making me feel like he was wolfy. But I didn't like Brendan's statement and his reaction (which appears to be: "Ok, Ok, let's pretend I never voted for you, I really want to lynch Grund") has only given me resolve. Sorta like the resolve he said my reaction had given him - but then he dropped that too.

Remus on the other hand, has basically just maintained his level of 'guilt' in my eyes. Not up nor down - but that just means he's still on my short list.

I think you should place a vote Scoop.
And I think you should place it on Brendan. If you don't and he turns up wolf - I promise to vote for you the next day.

Heh

Remus has been on my short list as well, a long with Isgrimmur... I had a third But I'd have to go back and find em.

I'll check in a bit, I should in theory be workign right now...

Wow, interesting post, Unagi.

First, I haven't requested you to change your vote, Unagi. Lets be clear about that. You seemed pretty confident about Brendan so no point in trying to bring you to my vote.

Second, as I said before, the reasons either of you voted for each other seemed pretty innocuous to me and not enough to warrant a vote.

Third, nice to see you got the same vibe I did from Remus however I'm not sure why you are just bringing this up now and not before.

Fourth, I made it clear and you even seemed to acknowledge it. I'm saving my vote for the 7th kill vote on Remus. Its clear I have intangible but very real vote on Remus right now.

Fifth, thanks so much for the offer but I will stick with my bandwagon for Remus. If Remus turns up wolf as I suspect and you vote for me tomorrow, I promise to vote for you tomorrow too.

THANKS!

Semaj wrote:Heh

Remus has been on my short list as well, a long with Isgrimmur... I had a third But I'd have to go back and find em.

I'll check in a bit, I should in theory be workign right now...

How about voting for Remus then?

Lassr wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:

Lassr wrote:I really have nothing. But someone has to go.

If you have nothing, why not vote for Remus? Are you that confident he is not on Team Joker? I mean, you did say you have nothing.

I have nothing that screams evil to me. There are a few that do not look evil to me.

Interesting...

Scoop20906 wrote:

Lassr wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:

Lassr wrote:I really have nothing. But someone has to go.

If you have nothing, why not vote for Remus? Are you that confident he is not on Team Joker? I mean, you did say you have nothing.

I have nothing that screams evil to me. There are a few that do not look evil to me.

Interesting...

I think Isg is a better vote atm.

I also would like to think 1 of the Unagi/brendan group might be evil...

Semaj wrote:I think Isg is a better vote atm.

You think wrong... unless you're evil.

Scoop20906 wrote:

Lassr wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:

Lassr wrote:I really have nothing. But someone has to go.

If you have nothing, why not vote for Remus? Are you that confident he is not on Team Joker? I mean, you did say you have nothing.

I have nothing that screams evil to me. There are a few that do not look evil to me.

Interesting...

yes, and you are one also. This does not look like a ploy by an evil person. If it is then Bravo to you.

That's how I work, after looking for stuff that may make someone look evil, I start looking at things that may make someone look good.

Status of Remus West Bandwagon:

Isgrimnur: Voted for Scoop20906.
Lassr: Thinks Remus is good
theohall: ?
Bubbles: ?
tru1cy: Okay ith the idea of voting Remus but would like evidence
Semaj: Thinks Isgrimnur is evil and one of Unagi/Brendan duo.

Scoop20906 wrote:

tru1cy wrote:Why Remus? I have no issue of voting of Remus, but I would like to know why?

I got a vibe that Remus's discussion with me and Isgrimnur regarding players staying silent to survive instead of posting their thoughts felt "forced" to me like he was making a big effort to show he was good/not evil. Its a hunch but on Day One what else do you have? Its up to you if you think thats better than random.org.

I think you should switch your vote to Remus West.

This is what you base your big hunch on? That I'm "forced" stating a position I have always held? Silents suck. People trying to live rather than win for their side. Neither of those ideas are new or unique to this game. They are long held positions by me. If I didn't feel like you were totally manufacturing your aim at me before you cemented the idea now. Have you ever had a hunch that was correct?