[WW] TRON - Game Over - End of Line

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:09 pm

stessier wrote:I'm not even sure we should scan tonight now. Lets give the infection a bit of time to spread. When we do scan, we'll get a nice large group of people who can't be Thorne.

I agree that scanning tonight is now useless, except that Quorra won't be able to target her cleaning ability. Once the infection spreads, it's going to potentially accelerate, once Daft Punk gets the ability, things may go pretty fast.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:13 pm

Scanning just became pointless period. All scanning will do is show Thorne if we are already pretty much screwed. I REALLY do not like that change.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:19 pm

coopasonic wrote:
stessier wrote:I'm not even sure we should scan tonight now. Lets give the infection a bit of time to spread. When we do scan, we'll get a nice large group of people who can't be Thorne.
I agree that scanning tonight is now useless, except that Quorra won't be able to target her cleaning ability. Once the infection spreads, it's going to potentially accelerate, once Daft Punk gets the ability, things may go pretty fast.

Yeah, joining Team Corruption is definitely the way to go.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:22 pm

Remus West wrote:Scanning just became pointless period. All scanning will do is show Thorne if we are already pretty much screwed. I REALLY do not like that change.

When we are close to 75% we do the virus scans. We save derezzes and anti-virus for that time when the pool of possible Thornes will be smallest, then we mobilize and wipe out everyone who isn't infected and clean everyone who is. Even better if the good guys have the System Restore.

Having many infected keeps MCP from winning. Once the plan is executed though, MCP becomes very dangerous.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:24 pm

Wait can't we join the MCP team? Are you down with MCP?

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:26 pm

Remus West wrote:Scanning just became pointless period. All scanning will do is show Thorne if we are already pretty much screwed. I REALLY do not like that change.

This.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:28 pm

Austin wrote:Wait can't we join the MCP team? Are you down with MCP?

Yes, we just have to schedule it well. It makes sense to be on Team MCP until we get close to 75% infection so we get the extra sector sweeps, then we switch to Corrupt until we are sure we nailed the corruption, then back to MCP/User depending on if Flynn is alive and how many permission bits we have.

Timing could be very tricky.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:29 pm

Austin wrote:Wait can't we join the MCP team? Are you down with MCP?

Turn against Quorra?

I guess if Sark is more your type... sure.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:32 pm

Mod Notes: Thorne is not completely invisible. A system scan can still reveal what team he is on.

Please remember that Thorne gets only to "infect" player per downtime. Unless he happens to hit on Daft punk, he is still limited to one infection per downtime.

Infections increases the number of permissions bits that the User Team needs to win.

The MCP needs to kill Flynn before he gets the permission bits needed to win but can't win unless all infections are gone from the system.

I apologize to people who are irritated by the change. If anyone wants to drop out, PM me and I can look for replacements.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:34 pm

stessier wrote:
Austin wrote:Wait can't we join the MCP team? Are you down with MCP?
Yes, we just have to schedule it well. It makes sense to be on Team MCP until we get close to 75% infection so we get the extra sector sweeps, then we switch to Corrupt until we are sure we nailed the corruption, then back to MCP/User depending on if Flynn is alive and how many permission bits we have.

Timing could be very tricky.

I can see all the named programs reading this and bitching about the damn unnamed programs.

Remember that even though the MCP team gets you the extra searches, you can't be protected from derezz so there's a risk to going MCP.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:47 pm

coopasonic wrote:I can see all the named programs reading this and bitching about the damn unnamed programs.

Sometimes it doesn't pay to be Special.

Remember that even though the MCP team gets you the extra searches, you can't be protected from derezz so there's a risk to going MCP.

Yeah sure, but if people are going to start derezzing at night without scanning first, we're in a lot of trouble. Quorra could wipe out a bunch of us if we make a wrong move. And MCP doesn't get an auto derez, so no worries there.

Worry about Stark is legitimate, but he has to be careful whom he shoots as well because of Quorra. Hit her and he might Derezz himself and the MCP - which would be just amazingly funny.

Wait - is Bakhtosh in this game?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:49 pm

hmmm, Corruption just may have became a legitimate team to join. From screwed to possibly favored...

Restrategizing

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:49 pm

coopasonic wrote:
theohall wrote: Terminate MOON_RMC

The M in RMC along with that MOON thing = MPC = Mycroft Holmes. Besides, these new programs need to be debugged.

And Lassr stole my sector scan.
That makes no sense to me whatsover, but someone has to die to move this thing forward.

MOON_RMC

While this program is happy for the agreement, it is sad for the lack of science fiction background. Mr. Heinlein's ghost is very upset at the moment.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:58 pm

stessier wrote:Worry about Stark is legitimate, but he has to be careful whom he shoots as well because of Quorra. Hit her and he might Derezz himself and the MCP - which would be just amazingly funny

Also, I forgot that Sark has to use a permission bit to derezz after his first derezz, so it isn't like he is going to be causing a slaughter and there are only 5 derezz code bits out there.

More programs need to join the team "Pass" on the lynch. It's in the best interest of everyone who is NOT a named program as well as Flynn, Tron and Quorra. Join MCP, soak up codes and let Thorne dig his own grave.

Speaking of grave digging, how do we know when we are getting close to 75% infected?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:07 pm

coopasonic wrote:Speaking of grave digging, how do we know when we are getting close to 75% infected?

Assume the worst scenario and then start scanning when we get close.

Downtime 0 - 15 players not Throne - 1 infected (assume Punk)
Downtime 1 - +2 Infected (assume other Punk included) = 3 total
Downtime 2 - +3 = 6 infected
Downtime 3 - +3 = 9 infected <- Probably scan here depending on population count
Downtime 4 - +3 = 12 Infected
Downtime 5 - +3 = 15 infected - Game Over man!

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:13 pm

IN order to detect Thorne, I would suggest that folks go ahead and scan for Virus a few turns from now. Anyone showing a infected can be removed from the "possible Thorne" list.

Scoop, does an infected program show as Team Corruption or Team User/Encom when system scanned?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:17 pm

coopasonic wrote:
stessier wrote:Worry about Stark is legitimate, but he has to be careful whom he shoots as well because of Quorra. Hit her and he might Derezz himself and the MCP - which would be just amazingly funny
Also, I forgot that Sark has to use a permission bit to derezz after his first derezz, so it isn't like he is going to be causing a slaughter and there are only 5 derezz code bits out there.

More programs need to join the team "Pass" on the lynch. It's in the best interest of everyone who is NOT a named program as well as Flynn, Tron and Quorra. Join MCP, soak up codes and let Thorne dig his own grave.

Speaking of grave digging, how do we know when we are getting close to 75% infected?

MOD NOTES: The mod will announce when the stability of the System reaches a critical point (75% infection).

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:19 pm

Thorne just became too powerful. There needs to be some type of balance. Either give the Flynn or MCP an ability to stop or slow the infection

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:21 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:MOD NOTES: The mod will announce when the stability of the System reaches a critical point (75% infection).

Scoop, if the infection level drops below 75% after breaking that barrier does Thorne still show as infected or does he go back to clean? The wording makes it sounds like he goes back to clean, but I wanted to make sure as it is possible to bounce back and forth across that threshold.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:24 pm

tru1cy wrote:Thorne just became too powerful. There needs to be some type of balance. Either give the Flynn or MCP an ability to stop or slow the infection

I kind of like it this way. Before I think it would have been too easy to root out Thorne. Now we can handle him, but it will be tightrope walking. Remember there are 15 virus scans and 15 anti-virus out there to be found. That's a lot of tools to identify and stop Thorne if used correctly.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:26 pm

And don't forget Quorra who has her finger in the dike.

Uh...could someone pick up Remus. He seems to have fainted.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:20 pm

stessier wrote:
coopasonic wrote:Remember that even though the MCP team gets you the extra searches, you can't be protected from derezz so there's a risk to going MCP.
Yeah sure, but if people are going to start derezzing at night without scanning first, we're in a lot of trouble.

Oh, you are Hilarious, just hilarious.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:47 pm

stessier wrote:
coopasonic wrote:Remember that even though the MCP team gets you the extra searches, you can't be protected from derezz so there's a risk to going MCP.
Yeah sure, but if people are going to start derezzing at night without scanning first, we're in a lot of trouble.

Unless you are a crazy MCP and just do not give a darn.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:57 pm

Now Now everyone..Let's not get too hasty with the piling on of the new guy.

Why have I received 2 votes to derezz? I am a good program, just minding my own business and trying to help out the group here.

If we really feel the need to derezz someone this time around, why not choose someone who will not share where they scanned? I don't see why anyone would not want to share this information, yet we have quite a few who are not sharing....

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:15 pm

Okay Mycroft.

Cancel RMC Termination

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:47 pm

Unagi wrote:
stessier wrote:
coopasonic wrote:Remember that even though the MCP team gets you the extra searches, you can't be protected from derezz so there's a risk to going MCP.
Yeah sure, but if people are going to start derezzing at night without scanning first, we're in a lot of trouble.
Oh, you are Hilarious, just hilarious.

It's so nice when people pick up on the little things.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:08 pm

Wow. I had a long work day out of town, followed by a long drive home. I open OO tonight and find I've got 4 pages to catch up on.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:19 pm

stessier wrote:
Unagi wrote:
stessier wrote:
coopasonic wrote:Remember that even though the MCP team gets you the extra searches, you can't be protected from derezz so there's a risk to going MCP.
Yeah sure, but if people are going to start derezzing at night without scanning first, we're in a lot of trouble.
Oh, you are Hilarious, just hilarious.
It's so nice when people pick up on the little things.

I don't get it.

Of course if I could stop thinking about Oliva Wilde having lesbian sex with Megan Fox that might help my ability to think. Finger in the dyke......mmmmmm.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:03 am

Finally catching up.

I scanned Sector 17 and came up empty.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:22 am

I remain a bit confused by all the people sharing what they did last downtime - or rather more confused about where rather than what. I came up empty myself but have no desire to share where I searched. You guys are all fixated on the MCP scanning more than the Users. By sharing where you have been you make it that much more likely the MCP will search multiple unsearched areas next downtime. Are you all declaring your allegiance to ENCOM or have you just not thought that through? Sharing narrows the filed for Users but it narrows it three times as fast for MCP. I'm not liking the idea of doing anything that favors one side over the other until there is more information for me to base the direction of my jump.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:06 am

Remus West wrote:I remain a bit confused by all the people sharing what they did last downtime - or rather more confused about where rather than what. I came up empty myself but have no desire to share where I searched. You guys are all fixated on the MCP scanning more than the Users. By sharing where you have been you make it that much more likely the MCP will search multiple unsearched areas next downtime. Are you all declaring your allegiance to ENCOM or have you just not thought that through? Sharing narrows the filed for Users but it narrows it three times as fast for MCP. I'm not liking the idea of doing anything that favors one side over the other until there is more information for me to base the direction of my jump.

Very good point, but at this part of the search, are we not maximizing our chances of finding what is needed by sharing? As we progress I would guess we need to hold our cards closer to our chest.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:10 am

I believe I read that if a program is derezzed any bits it holds is distributed amongst the other programs. I thought there was a distinction between derezzed and terminated. Termination being the lynch. So if a program is terminated are those bits redistributed also? Because I would assume Thorne, MCP, Sark, etc will be collecting bits they find. We don't want them hoarding them.

SO I think I agree with Remus. If MCP can get 3 scans on sectors that he knows have not been searched it increases the odds of him hoarding scans, etc.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:44 am

Last night all we could scan was 1 Sector at a time. Unless you have poor reading comprehension, all us un-named programs should be able to scan 2 sectors tonight. That's 16 sectors (8 un-named x2) to the MCPs 3. It makes sense to share where we have been. I'm still trying to figure out if it makes sense to share where we are going.

Remus West wrote:
stessier wrote:
Unagi wrote:
stessier wrote:
coopasonic wrote:Remember that even though the MCP team gets you the extra searches, you can't be protected from derezz so there's a risk to going MCP.
Yeah sure, but if people are going to start derezzing at night without scanning first, we're in a lot of trouble.
Oh, you are Hilarious, just hilarious.
It's so nice when people pick up on the little things.
I don't get it.

Did you read the last game at all?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 10:42 am

coopasonic wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:MOD NOTES: The mod will announce when the stability of the System reaches a critical point (75% infection).
Scoop, if the infection level drops below 75% after breaking that barrier does Thorne still show as infected or does he go back to clean? The wording makes it sounds like he goes back to clean, but I wanted to make sure as it is possible to bounce back and forth across that threshold.

Good question. Once infection is over 75% thorne will always show as "infected" to a virus scan.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:38 am

Lassr wrote:I believe I read that if a program is derezzed any bits it holds is distributed amongst the other programs. I thought there was a distinction between derezzed and terminated. Termination being the lynch. So if a program is terminated are those bits redistributed also? Because I would assume Thorne, MCP, Sark, etc will be collecting bits they find. We don't want them hoarding them.

SO I think I agree with Remus. If MCP can get 3 scans on sectors that he knows have not been searched it increases the odds of him hoarding scans, etc.

found this at the bottom of the rules, so termination and derezzing means bits are redistributed.

Deaths:
The specific Header Information of the terminated Program will not be revealed in the notification announcement. If a program is derezzed by majority vote, the permission bits held by that program's will be randomly distributed (using random.org) to the programs that voted for that program.

this is what made it confusing to me:

Derezzed := death to a Program via a Derezz Utility or natural ability;
Terminate := death to a Program via the daily Lynch;

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:18 pm

Scoop,

If both Sark and MCP are dead, can Encom win?

If Thorne is dead, can corruption win? Thorne and the Punks?

Sark has a natural ability to derezz and only needs Admin rights and a permission bit per use to execute (minus the freebie), correct?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:41 pm

stessier wrote:Last night all we could scan was 1 Sector at a time. Unless you have poor reading comprehension, all us un-named programs should be able to scan 2 sectors tonight.

My poor reading comprehension and word search in the rules is hindering me. Please enlighten me on that rule.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:44 pm

stessier wrote:Last night all we could scan was 1 Sector at a time. Unless you have poor reading comprehension, all us un-named programs should be able to scan 2 sectors tonight.

Spending to much time at the ENCOM meeting I think.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:52 pm

Lassr wrote:
stessier wrote:Last night all we could scan was 1 Sector at a time. Unless you have poor reading comprehension, all us un-named programs should be able to scan 2 sectors tonight.
Spending to much time at the ENCOM meeting I think.

Are you suggesting there is a reason for a neutral program not to have joined team MCP?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:58 pm

stessier wrote:
Lassr wrote:
stessier wrote:Last night all we could scan was 1 Sector at a time. Unless you have poor reading comprehension, all us un-named programs should be able to scan 2 sectors tonight.
Spending to much time at the ENCOM meeting I think.
Are you suggesting there is a reason for a neutral program not to have joined team MCP?

No but your comment made it sound like all of us now had 2 scans automatically and that's only true if we ALL join ENCOM. I'm still weighing my decision.