Octopus Overlords

Newcastle wrote:

Chaosraven wrote:Newcastle, go back and read your own posts from the point remus hits 4 or 5 votes... You won't vote for remus and every post you make is a push to move to bb2112. As far as the deadline card, perhaps we should make our choice for lynch and get it played.

also i should ask CR...is there a reason WHY i should be voting for him? Why werent you voting for him? eh?

if you go waaaaaay back thjere, I poked bb2112, who said why not remus. I told him to start a race between them. And I have already stated when I would vote for remus... When it lynches him.

theohall wrote:Yes, I used the Free Scan card on bb2112 and he is a Villager, as am I, or I would have little reason to use the Card. The only reason a Wolf would have to use the card is to find the Light Mage. Now, the Wolves have zero chance of using that card to find the Light Mage.

bb pointed out some flaws with theo's logic, but just to elaborate:

The bolded part really bugs me. "A wolf would have little reason to use the card"? You're kidding, right?

A wolf would be insane not to use the card.

1. As theo states in the very next statement, they would use it to try to find the Light Mage. However, theo tries to paint his use of the card as proof that he is good.
2. More compelling, though, is the fact that, if a wolf does not use the card, it gets returned to the deck and could end up back in play in the hands of a villager later in the game, when it is even more powerful.

The fact that theo "revealed" that bb is a villager seems more likely for theovillager than theowolf, but as bb points out, it could be for trust reasons. A wolf would probably keep such information secret, but our games have evolved such that our wolves don't play within normal expectations anymore. Even though I'm still keeping a close eye on theo:

 withdraw theohall 
 


bb's claim of having a "Told Ya So" card would require a high-risk, convoluted scheme involving an "I am Spartacus" card and a ton of chutzpah, if he is not a villager.

triggercut wrote:EDIT: never mind! I misread the card description theo.

Interesting that Newcastle didn't even bat an eye.

stessier wrote:No one wants to discuss my suggestion about El Guapo? Or even throw me under the bus for suggesting it? I'm losing my touch.

How about throwing you under the bus for posturing?

This reminds me of previous iterations of stesswolf.

(Plus the fact that I can't remember the last time stess and I were on the same side).

 stessier 
 

Okay, so there's a little carry-over from stess picking me last in his game.

It's more of a feeling at the moment. I'm still investigating.

Mr Bubbles wrote:

stessier wrote:

theohall wrote:Makes me want to stick to my guns even more with Chaosraven vote.

Because this has worked so well in the past?

I think a quiet one should go today. Hmmmm, Kraegor or Mr Bubbles. Kraegor is probably due but Mr Bubbles has the annoying lack of punctuation in his name...

 Mr Bubbles 
 

I'm quiet? I thought I was being fairly active. Strange that you would miss that Stessier.. Hmmm

You're being faux "active". Your behavior suggests that you're enjoying firing away on a teammate or two (so as to say "Hey, I was all over him as a badguy" later if it turns out that way) while not actually placing any votes.

triggercut wrote:

Mr Bubbles wrote:

stessier wrote:

theohall wrote:Makes me want to stick to my guns even more with Chaosraven vote.

Because this has worked so well in the past?

I think a quiet one should go today. Hmmmm, Kraegor or Mr Bubbles. Kraegor is probably due but Mr Bubbles has the annoying lack of punctuation in his name...

 Mr Bubbles 
 

I'm quiet? I thought I was being fairly active. Strange that you would miss that Stessier.. Hmmm

You're being faux "active". Your behavior suggests that you're enjoying firing away on a teammate or two (so as to say "Hey, I was all over him as a badguy" later if it turns out that way) while not actually placing any votes.

I'm not placing a vote, because I'm not going to vote for anyone I genuinely don't feel is evil, but hey.. fire off your votes to show your own posturing.

[quote="theohall"

Yes, I used the Free Scan card on bb2112 and he is a Villager, as am I, or I would have little reason to use the Card. The only reason a Wolf would have to use the card is to find the Light Mage. Now, the Wolves have zero chance of using that card to find the Light Mage.[/quote]

This isn't true, right? The wolves have plenty of reason to use the Free Scan card. First, to try to find the light mage. But second, and probably more importantly, them using it eliminates the risk that a villager will find a wolf via the Free Scan.

El Guapo wrote:[quote="theohall"

Yes, I used the Free Scan card on bb2112 and he is a Villager, as am I, or I would have little reason to use the Card. The only reason a Wolf would have to use the card is to find the Light Mage. Now, the Wolves have zero chance of using that card to find the Light Mage.

This isn't true, right? The wolves have plenty of reason to use the Free Scan card. First, to try to find the light mage. But second, and probably more importantly, them using it eliminates the risk that a villager will find a wolf via the Free Scan.[/quote]

Correct-amundo, Guapo. The Wolves have a gajillion reasons to use the card, and reason number one is to burn its single use before we can use it to find them.

hey Q......

 newcastle 
 


imma gonna do imma gonna do it...i swear

Ok. Well, it's day 1, but some thoughts.

My vote's currently on Remus, mostly on whimsy. Still, while he's fielded a few questions and thrown in a couple comments here and there, it doesn't seem like he's actually put any effort into actually finding wolves.

Redrun's logic seems batty. I'd be tempted to throw a vote here, but he's claimed to have scanned Qantaga as villager, and Qantaga seems good. Probably not day 1.

stessier's chipping in here and there, but fairly terse and not altogether helpful.

Other than that, I suppose it's day 1. I'm fine with Remus, but if not him then a quiet person is never a terrible choice on day 1. Right now that'd probably be Kraegor.

Newcastle wrote:hey Q.......

Hi  Newcastle 
 

Newcastle ---------- kraegor ----- Qantaga ----- redrun ----- Chaosraven ----- Newcastle
BB2112 ---------- Remus West ----- ----- ----- -----
theohall ---------- stessier ----- Chasoraven ----- ----- -----
kraegor ---------- Remus West ----- ----- ----- -----
Remus West ---------- bb2112 ----- ----- ----- -----
El Guapo ---------- Remus West ----- ----- ----- -----
stessier ---------- Mr. Bubbles ----- ----- ----- -----
triggercut ---------- El Guapo ----- Remus West ----- ----- -----
Chaosraven ---------- bb2112 ----- ----- ----- -----
Qantaga ---------- theohall ----- stessier ----- Newcastle ----- -----
RMC ---------- Remus West ----- ----- ----- -----
redrun ---------- Qantaga ----- Chasoraven ----- ----- -----
Mr. Bubbles ---------- ----- ----- ----- -----
.
.
Remus West -4 -------- El Guapo, RMC, triggercut, kraegor
Chaosraven -2 ---------- theohall, redrun
Newcastle -2 ---------- Newcastle, Qantaga
bb2112 -1 --------- Remus West
Mr. Bubbles -1 ---------- stessier


Majority = 7

Chaosraven's Blatantly False Hyperbole:

Newcastle wrote:So.....the remus 5 ....ie...(El Guapo, bb2112, RMC, triggercut, kraegor) the reason you think Remus should be voted off the island is.....?

Is it revenge from last game? Or just wanting to get some trains rolling along the day? Inquiring minds do want to know.

And i guess that nerd fight I was looking forward to never materialized...blah.

ANyone else feel like this game is going slowly right now? Bad week for folks? Or nothing to talk about...well if you need something to talk about...

/stands up
/yells
"IMMMMMM SPARTACUS!"

Ok, so that's not a push on bb, just a "Not remus"

Newcastle wrote:

triggercut wrote:I dunno what Newcastle means by "I'm Spartacus"...but that's far from the oddest player behavior of day 1.

maybe i mean something, maybe i mean nothing...maybe the meaning is something nothingness or sometimes knot themes....or maybe sombrero nakaadaro...or maybe its too much coffee and the urge to spur some disscussion eh triggy boy?

Another that isn't.

Newcastle wrote:see thats what i am trying to understand theo...whats driving the vote? revenge for last game? I would think only 2 people really have a claim for that. If others cite it...i smell bandwagonners...which you have to question why. Is it to form a train to create movement for data purposes? Or is it opportunism to get a quick lynch because they are a wolf?
Thats kind of the thrust behind my questioning right now. If revenge is the matter at hand, why dont we off teh quiet ones? Or why dont we go after BB as well? Just seems like a funny train is all i am saying.

Post #1 for bb

Newcastle wrote:I guess my revenge comment segued into the quiet ones bit (and the nature of the PM game induced a quiet thread). But returning to my point...you can easily point out that the quiet ones also lsot us the previous games as well as the wolves superior play. It seemed there were quiet a few more quiet people than usual (again nature of game i think). And hey, hopefully it might induce more conversations if we threaten the quiet folks.

I am not so much against a remus lynch as much as I am simply lukewarm toward it right now. Dont have any real better prospects either since we're all simply throwing darts in teh air. But i also just want to understand people's rationale for it...so say he does indeed go down...and a result is known...then folks motivations for voting (and conversely) not voting are known.

I would think it would be the funnies if we voted off stessier due to the time zone differences though.

Another "Not remus". but isn't bb push.

Newcastle wrote:I guess the other thing that bothers me w/ revenge on remus battle cry...is that to me....BB was teh more deceitful one and hence the more string pulling one than remus. I personally think he played a far superior game than remus; A large part of that being that he managed to knock off austin & i prior to himself. Hate to continue to dwell upon the previous game...but it seems to be the driving force behind the remus train.

Post #2 For bb

Newcastle wrote:Lassr - sorry if this was answered already. But how many cards of the deck you listed are we playing w/? Are we only playing w/ 13 of them (or how many players there are) or are we playing w/ the full deck? So each turn you can pretty much expect a card.

Rule Question.

theohall wrote:Yes, it appears Chaosraven is flat out making stuff up.

This is the only post I could find from Newcastle after Remus hit the 4/5 vote mark suggesting we should consider bb2112 at all.

Newcastle wrote:I guess the other thing that bothers me w/ revenge on remus battle cry...is that to me....BB was teh more deceitful one and hence the more string pulling one than remus. I personally think he played a far superior game than remus; A large part of that being that he managed to knock off austin & i prior to himself. Hate to continue to dwell upon the previous game...but it seems to be the driving force behind the remus train.

This claim by Chaosraven is patently false:

Chaosraven wrote:Newcastle, go back and read your own posts from the point remus hits 4 or 5 votes... You won't vote for remus and every post you make is a push to move to bb2112. As far as the deadline card, perhaps we should make our choice for lynch and get it played.

Makes me want to stick to my guns even more with Chaosraven vote.

Yes, he made other posts beyond the Not Remus, get BB! duo (of which you glossed over one). The MAJORITY of which is Not remus.

Better?

Chaosraven wrote:Chaosraven's Blatantly False Hyperbole:

Newcastle wrote:So.....the remus 5 ....ie...(El Guapo, bb2112, RMC, triggercut, kraegor) the reason you think Remus should be voted off the island is.....?

Is it revenge from last game? Or just wanting to get some trains rolling along the day? Inquiring minds do want to know.

And i guess that nerd fight I was looking forward to never materialized...blah.

ANyone else feel like this game is going slowly right now? Bad week for folks? Or nothing to talk about...well if you need something to talk about...

/stands up
/yells
"IMMMMMM SPARTACUS!"

Ok, so that's not a push on bb, just a "Not remus"

Newcastle wrote:

triggercut wrote:I dunno what Newcastle means by "I'm Spartacus"...but that's far from the oddest player behavior of day 1.

maybe i mean something, maybe i mean nothing...maybe the meaning is something nothingness or sometimes knot themes....or maybe sombrero nakaadaro...or maybe its too much coffee and the urge to spur some disscussion eh triggy boy?

Another that isn't.

Newcastle wrote:see thats what i am trying to understand theo...whats driving the vote? revenge for last game? I would think only 2 people really have a claim for that. If others cite it...i smell bandwagonners...which you have to question why. Is it to form a train to create movement for data purposes? Or is it opportunism to get a quick lynch because they are a wolf?
Thats kind of the thrust behind my questioning right now. If revenge is the matter at hand, why dont we off teh quiet ones? Or why dont we go after BB as well? Just seems like a funny train is all i am saying.

Post #1 for bb

Newcastle wrote:I guess my revenge comment segued into the quiet ones bit (and the nature of the PM game induced a quiet thread). But returning to my point...you can easily point out that the quiet ones also lsot us the previous games as well as the wolves superior play. It seemed there were quiet a few more quiet people than usual (again nature of game i think). And hey, hopefully it might induce more conversations if we threaten the quiet folks.

I am not so much against a remus lynch as much as I am simply lukewarm toward it right now. Dont have any real better prospects either since we're all simply throwing darts in teh air. But i also just want to understand people's rationale for it...so say he does indeed go down...and a result is known...then folks motivations for voting (and conversely) not voting are known.

I would think it would be the funnies if we voted off stessier due to the time zone differences though.

Another "Not remus". but isn't bb push.

Newcastle wrote:I guess the other thing that bothers me w/ revenge on remus battle cry...is that to me....BB was teh more deceitful one and hence the more string pulling one than remus. I personally think he played a far superior game than remus; A large part of that being that he managed to knock off austin & i prior to himself. Hate to continue to dwell upon the previous game...but it seems to be the driving force behind the remus train.

Post #2 For bb

Newcastle wrote:Lassr - sorry if this was answered already. But how many cards of the deck you listed are we playing w/? Are we only playing w/ 13 of them (or how many players there are) or are we playing w/ the full deck? So each turn you can pretty much expect a card.

Rule Question.

theohall wrote:Yes, it appears Chaosraven is flat out making stuff up.

This is the only post I could find from Newcastle after Remus hit the 4/5 vote mark suggesting we should consider bb2112 at all.

Newcastle wrote:I guess the other thing that bothers me w/ revenge on remus battle cry...is that to me....BB was teh more deceitful one and hence the more string pulling one than remus. I personally think he played a far superior game than remus; A large part of that being that he managed to knock off austin & i prior to himself. Hate to continue to dwell upon the previous game...but it seems to be the driving force behind the remus train.

This claim by Chaosraven is patently false:

Chaosraven wrote:Newcastle, go back and read your own posts from the point remus hits 4 or 5 votes... You won't vote for remus and every post you make is a push to move to bb2112. As far as the deadline card, perhaps we should make our choice for lynch and get it played.

Makes me want to stick to my guns even more with Chaosraven vote.

Yes, he made other posts beyond the Not Remus, get BB! duo (of which you glossed over one). The MAJORITY of which is Not remus.

Better?

It's a far cry from "every post" he has made being a push for bb2112 and not Remus since a certain point, which was your statement.

Ok I'm confused. Do i continue arguing w/ you or not? Am really trying to decide wether its worth my time and the villagers to try to go back over what i said. Bottom line....i dont think i came across as a
"not remus" thing and I hope that wasnt the case. I dont think I did....but you've seem to gotten that impression.
That wasnt really my intent. But rather Why the Remus vote? And if it was a Revenge motivator...then why not BB? Or even the silents?

I gtuess I found the revenge motivator as being silly overall. I didnt see a lot of declarations as to why....just a lot of votes. I saw a few people cite the "revenge" thing. And honestly thats a pretty damn silly reason to vote for someone. I can understand 1-2 people voting that way (i think 2 people could have legitimate reasons for feeling that way, the rest...nyup). But it racing all the way up to 5 where no other real reasons are cited....kind of makes you wonder. So i questioned the vote.

Is there a compelling reason I should vote for Remus today CR? I dont have a scanners card or anything, so if you do and you know something...then hey...am all ears.

If you really read into the me saying "not remus" there...fine go for it...but I also aint gonna vote anyone that close to a lynch right now...when there is still so much day left...and more importantly...i dont have a feel for him one way or another. If anything right now he's probably leaning in the more innocent than not category for me.

We arent up on a deadline, so lets get more info right? Once we lynch its bad guy time. I much rather have more discussion and analysis than a quick vote that way we can get as best of a day 1 vote as possible with our limited info. So yeah...maybe in a subliminal way it was me avoiding a lynch vote train...i dont think it was....

...and why do i feel like a CR mind trick was just played on me? I feel dirty

/heads to the shower

oh

 remove newcastle 
 

Newcastle, you are right that the revenge factor is a silly quasi-arbitrary one. Though at this point he's been fairly quiet lately, and even when he was participating he hasn't made much effort to find wolves.

In any event, it doesn't seem to be going anywhere, so I'm going to (for the time being at least) go to my backup "quiet" voting plan:

 withdraw Remus West
Kraegor the Burninator 
 

Newcastle ---------- kraegor ----- Qantaga ----- redrun ----- Chaosraven ----- Newcastle
BB2112 ---------- Remus West ----- ----- ----- -----
theohall ---------- stessier ----- Chasoraven ----- ----- -----
kraegor ---------- Remus West ----- ----- ----- -----
Remus West ---------- bb2112 ----- ----- ----- -----
El Guapo ---------- Remus West ----- kraegor ----- ----- -----
stessier ---------- Mr. Bubbles ----- ----- ----- -----
triggercut ---------- El Guapo ----- Remus West ----- ----- -----
Chaosraven ---------- bb2112 ----- ----- ----- -----
Qantaga ---------- theohall ----- stessier ----- Newcastle ----- -----
RMC ---------- Remus West ----- ----- ----- -----
redrun ---------- Qantaga ----- Chasoraven ----- ----- -----
Mr. Bubbles ---------- ----- ----- ----- -----
.
.
Remus West -3 -------- RMC, triggercut, kraegor
Chaosraven -2 ---------- theohall, redrun
Newcastle -1 ---------- Qantaga
bb2112 -1 --------- Remus West
Mr. Bubbles -1 ---------- stessier
kraegor -1 ---------- El Guapo

Majority = 7

It amuses me that you guys are trying to find reasons behind a Day 1 vote. Revenge, color of the sky, thickness of the humours....it really doesn't matter since it all comes down to a guess. Now looking back on Day 1 knowing the result of a lynch will be far more interesting. But for now, meh.

theohall wrote:The only reason a Wolf would have to use the card is to find the Light Mage.

The only reason? Interesting.

bb2112 wrote: There is only one of these in the deck and I think it would be useful later down the road. I guess now you have to ask yourselves, do you believe Theo? And if not, do we want to use my card now?

Theohall's information doesn't prove much of anything at this point. Considering you are both still suspect, seems to me yes there is value is testing your card now. As that provides the value of removing you from the suspect pool.

Lest we forget the scenario of killing theo he's a wolf... and then what? You haven't used your card, it is redistributed and you are still unproven. That is not an optimal sequence of events.

Chaosraven wrote:Why in the hell didn't you check remus?

Odd. More useful to scan theo. We could have hung 1 to prove 2 alive. Now we are stuck with 2 independent scans in which we can only hang 1 to prove 1.

Kraegor wrote:

Chaosraven wrote:Why in the hell didn't you check remus?

Odd. More useful to scan theo. We could have hung 1 to prove 2 alive. Now we are stuck with 2 independent scans in which we can only hang 1 to prove 1.

Assuming everyone is a Villager, it is interesting in that we can pick who dies tonight.

Chaosraven wrote: player that has not cast a vote.

wait a second

Rules wrote:18. Mind’s Eye (1 scan for wolf or villager on player that has not cast a vote. May be used only after a majority has cast a vote). 1 use

Chaos, Why do you keep paraphrasing in a way that skews reality falsely?

I retract my earlier wish about scanning theo, it obviously would not have been an option since theo was among the first to vote.

Chaosraven wrote: well if we lynch theo and he comes up nonfurry, it proves bb, right?

bb2112 wrote:This is true, but I would rather not right now. I am sure when I die in the night, that will prove me just fine. If people accept Theo's word that I am a villager, I become a pretty big target.

stessier wrote:theohall calls bb2112 a Villager from his card
redrun calls Qantaga a Villager from his card

Kraegor wrote:Now we are stuck with 2 independent scans in which we can only hang 1 to prove 1.

I find it curious that no one has pointed out the problem here.

If we lynch theo and he comes up villager, it in no way proves bb a villager. If we lynch redrun and he comes up villager, it in no way proves me a villager.

Either bb or I could be a wolf who played the "I am Spartacus" card at the start of the day:

Lassr wrote:12. I am Spartacus! (Your role will show Villager if scanned. Effects carry over into night). 2 uses.

bb could be proven, if he indeed has a "Told Ya So" card and he gets to n-1 (although, if he's telling the truth about having that card, it was rather risky of him to announce it with the possibility of a wolf having a Swiper card), but he cannot be proven by a theo lynch.

I have a card that could possibly (but not certainly) prove that I didn't play Spartacus, but I can't be proven by a redrun lynch.

Qantaga wrote:Either bb or I could be a wolf who played the "I am Spartacus" card at the start of the day:

Lassr wrote:12. I am Spartacus! (Your role will show Villager if scanned. Effects carry over into night). 2 uses.

Didn't someone else say they have that card?

stessier wrote:

Qantaga wrote:Either bb or I could be a wolf who played the "I am Spartacus" card at the start of the day:

Lassr wrote:12. I am Spartacus! (Your role will show Villager if scanned. Effects carry over into night). 2 uses.

Didn't someone else say they have that card?

Newcastle was making joke.

stessier wrote:

Qantaga wrote:Either bb or I could be a wolf who played the "I am Spartacus" card at the start of the day:

Lassr wrote:12. I am Spartacus! (Your role will show Villager if scanned. Effects carry over into night). 2 uses.

Didn't someone else say they have that card?

Newcastle posted "I AM SPARTACUS!!!". I took that as claiming to have the I am Spartacus! card, though I suppose we might as well confirm it - Newcastle, do you have that card?

stessier wrote:Didn't someone else say they have that card?

Newcastle let out a primal scream, but I didn't take that as a claim of possession.

If someone else claimed it, I missed it.

Even if someone said they have that card, would you take them at their word? I would hope a villager who actually possessed the Spartacus card would keep it secret, so as not to risk it to a wolf Swiper.

El Guapo wrote:

stessier wrote:

Qantaga wrote:Either bb or I could be a wolf who played the "I am Spartacus" card at the start of the day:

Lassr wrote:12. I am Spartacus! (Your role will show Villager if scanned. Effects carry over into night). 2 uses.

Didn't someone else say they have that card?

Newcastle posted "I AM SPARTACUS!!!". I took that as claiming to have the I am Spartacus! card, though I suppose we might as well confirm it - Newcastle, do you have that card?

in teh i cant believe its not butter coincidence department.....i was making a joke...and i was actually 100% totally oblivious to this cards existence. I might have remembered it in my sub sub conscious and it popped up then...but whne i wrote that I was just being weird and typing up the first thing that came to my mind....SO....i can 100% confirm i do not have that card in my posession.

Qantaga wrote:

stessier wrote:Didn't someone else say they have that card?

Newcastle let out a primal scream, but I didn't take that as a claim of possession.

If someone else claimed it, I missed it.

Even if someone said they have that card, would you take them at their word? I would hope a villager who actually possessed the Spartacus card would keep it secret, so as not to risk it to a wolf Swiper.

I dunno, I wouldn't worry about that card getting swiped. Remember that the cards get re-distributed after day 1. So a wolf would have to swipe the Spartacus card AND convince (or hope) someone to scan them AFTER they get the card and play it. Otherwise the Spartacus! card would just get reshuffled.

As a side note, my daughter got a Dora book for her birthday, so I now know the "Swiper no swiping!" reference.

and to theo & Q....you guys get me...you guys really, really get me!

Qantaga wrote:
If we lynch theo and he comes up villager, it in no way proves bb a villager.

If we lynch redrun and he comes up villager, it in no way proves me a villager.

Yes, It can only prove theohall and redrun are playing the undisclosed tweedle dee tweedle dum roles. Whose purpose is to kill us all.

Kraegor wrote:

Qantaga wrote:
If we lynch theo and he comes up villager, it in no way proves bb a villager.

If we lynch redrun and he comes up villager, it in no way proves me a villager.

Yes, It can only prove theohall and redrun are playing the undisclosed tweedle dee tweedle dum roles. Whose purpose is to kill us all.

So, you think the Spartacus card is nonexistent?

heh, I disagree that it proves nothing.

If villager, it proves the scan true. discounting theored are not a pair of idiots

if wolf, then your premise is true. the supposed scans cannot be trusted.

Kraegor wrote: If villager, it proves the scan true. discounting theored are not a pair of idiots

Let's see if I can be clearer.

Hypothetical:

- redrun is villager
- redrun scans Qantaga
- Qantaga is a wolf who previously played Spartacus card.
- redrun gets "Qantaga is a villager" result.
- redrun is lynched.
- redrun is villager.
- redrun is not an idiot. redrun was misled by Spartacus card.
- Qantagawolf is believed to be "proven" by those who discount power of Spartacus.

/Hypothetical.

Qantaga wrote:

stessier wrote:Didn't someone else say they have that card?

Newcastle let out a primal scream, but I didn't take that as a claim of possession.

If someone else claimed it, I missed it.

Even if someone said they have that card, would you take them at their word? I would hope a villager who actually possessed the Spartacus card would keep it secret, so as not to risk it to a wolf Swiper.

Uh, wouldn't the first thing a Villager do is play the card? And then let everyone know it was played?

stessier wrote: Uh, wouldn't the first thing a Villager do is play the card? And then let everyone know it was played?

Yes, that would be the wisest course.

Qantaga wrote:Even if someone said they have that card, would you take them at their word? I would hope a villager who actually possessed the Spartacus card would keep it secret, so as not to risk it to a wolf Swiper.

I would hope they would simply use it immediately so as to prevent it being swiped and use it up.

Qantaga wrote:

Kraegor wrote: If villager, it proves the scan true. discounting theored are not a pair of idiots

Let's see if I can be clearer.

Hypothetical:

- redrun is villager
- redrun scans Qantaga
- Qantaga is a wolf who previously played Spartacus card.
- redrun gets "Qantaga is a villager" result.
- redrun is lynched.
- redrun is villager.
- redrun is not an idiot. redrun was misled by Spartacus card.
- Qantagawolf is believed to be "proven" by those who discount power of Spartacus.

/Hypothetical.

add in Qantaga then lives for several days as an uncontested and "known" villager whom the wolves have no way of knowing is the Seer or not and you have Qantaga getting lynched.

El Guapo wrote:Redrun's logic seems batty. I'd be tempted to throw a vote here, but he's claimed to have scanned Qantaga as villager, and Qantaga seems good. Probably not day 1.

Well, I can't really disagree with the first sentence. Problem of posting without my notes. I'd had a different initial set of 'are these wolves voting for each other', than changed the list after a few pages of posting - but didn't have my notes, and didn't think to go back and recheck voting records.

Kraegor wrote:

Chaosraven wrote:Why in the hell didn't you check remus?

Odd. More useful to scan theo. We could have hung 1 to prove 2 alive. Now we are stuck with 2 independent scans in which we can only hang 1 to prove 1.

Couldn't scan Theo. He'd threw out three quick votes. Mind's eye only works on someone who hasn't voted.