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Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:39 pm
by Fireball
Right, it's just a coincidence that Republican on the Court are empowering billionaires to further warp the political system with donations, while Republicans in state legislatures are passing laws that will put incredibly difficult barriers between many working poor people and the ballot box.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:41 pm
by RunningMn9
Clearly what is missing in our national politics is more money.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:42 pm
by NickAragua
cheeba wrote:What it does is allows people to do what they want with their money (kinda). Many argue that Obama won the last election because of the latino vote. It wasn't the overabundance of money coming from latino voters, it was the relatively poor minority getting out and voting. Their voices weren't drowned out.

And no republican wants the voices of the poor drowned out. This isn't superheroes vs. villains.
Why don't you take a look at Russia and the rest of eastern Europe to see the kinds of government that unlimited "campaign contributions" spawn. Unless you think that Russia is some kind of ideal democratic society, in which case never mind.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:08 pm
by cheeba
Read this.
Robert Shrum, senior adviser on many Democratic campaigns wrote:In politics there is certainly no linear relationship between amount of money and degree of success.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:19 pm
by malchior
El Guapo wrote:So it seems like wealthy donors now can give a trivial amount to lots of candidates rather than a trivial amount to a few. Doesn't seem like a huge deal in and of itself, except as a prelude to striking down the individual limit in the next decision.
That sounds about right.
Overall, while I generally favor campaign finance restrictions, there's a pretty straightforward and logical constitutional case against them - by financing political speech you are creating / allowing speech that would not otherwise occur. Therefore restricting political contributions is restricting speech in a meaningful sense.
I don't know if I buy that - political contributions aren't the only way to enable political speech and the right to free speech has never been unlimited either. The potential harm has to be considered. That is why your next point about how they gloss over that harm is what I believe to be a fatal flaw in their logic around how they analyzed the question. I also think it is the fundamental failing of the decision. How they can divorce buckets of unlimited money from subsequent corruption is mind-boggling to me. They simply don't care. Whether it is politically motivated or ideology it still is not reality and I think it further undermines the court's credibility; just another institution rotting away.

That said, I don't buy Fireball's assertion either that this is about Republicans. Maybe it helps them a little more but in general it helps the rich and the court (from both sides) hasn't been shy about helping them at the expense of everyone else.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:26 pm
by LordMortis
cheeba wrote:What it does is allows people to do what they want with their money (kinda). Many argue that Obama won the last election because of the latino vote. It wasn't the overabundance of money coming from latino voters, it was the relatively poor minority getting out and voting. Their voices weren't drowned out.

And no republican wants the voices of the poor drowned out. This isn't superheroes vs. villains.
I'm not sure I buy what you're selling. I'd be all about unlimited individual voter contributions as long as individual voters have to publicly declare their contributions and acceptors have to publish whom they accept donations from and how much. It's the republicans right now who are pushing that sort of secrecy and that sort of secrecy is bullshit. The lies they are telling from behind pac on TV is already hitting angering bullshit levels. I can't speak for nationally, but the Michigan Republican party are villains. From Gerrymandering to breaking elections to using the Secretary of State to shut down Gay Marriage to enacting the EMF after the voters said no to holding the DIA for hostage after the voters expanded their taxes by 100s of Millions of dollars to preserve it. The list goes on and on and on. The democrats aren't superheroes but the Republicans are the worst crooked thing this state has seen in my lifetime and that's impressive.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:27 pm
by malchior
cheeba wrote:Read this.
Robert Shrum, senior adviser on many Democratic campaigns wrote:In politics there is certainly no linear relationship between amount of money and degree of success.
The outcome of individual elections is not what most people care about when they are worrying about campaign financing...

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:27 pm
by El Guapo
Political contributions aren't the *only* way to enable political speech, but they are pretty undeniably *one* way of enabling political speech. And generally you can't justify problematic speech restrictions by noting that it doesn't eliminate all methods of speech - the government couldn't justify a ban on public political speeches by arguing that people can still post on the internet, for example.

Now as you get at not all restrictions on speech are unconstitutional, and that's where the main problems in Citizens United come in, as I see it. Mainly I just wish that the court would seriously engage with the harms that campaign finance reform laws address, rather than wishing them away.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:29 pm
by El Guapo
cheeba wrote:Read this.
Robert Shrum, senior adviser on many Democratic campaigns wrote:In politics there is certainly no linear relationship between amount of money and degree of success.
Why does it matter whether the relationship is linear? There's no linear relationship between payroll spending and success in Major League Baseball - one can always spend money badly - but there's pretty clearly a positive relationship.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:10 pm
by RunningMn9
I'm not as concerned about the amount of money spent directly leading to winning elections.

I'm more concerned with the amount of money involved directly controlling who is effectively able to run in elections. I'm more concerned with the amount of money involved directly leading to politicians that are owned by their donors.

I have a problem with a Democracy built on the concept that the amount of free speech I am entitled to is dependent on the number of dollars in my bank account that I'm willing to use to buy favors from politicians or political parties.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 4:23 pm
by Rip
RunningMn9 wrote:I'm not as concerned about the amount of money spent directly leading to winning elections.

I'm more concerned with the amount of money involved directly controlling who is effectively able to run in elections. I'm more concerned with the amount of money involved directly leading to politicians that are owned by their donors.

I have a problem with a Democracy built on the concept that the amount of free speech I am entitled to is dependent on the number of dollars in my bank account that I'm willing to use to buy favors from politicians or political parties.
I am less concerned with that than the number of politicians who owe me favors leading to how much money is on my bank account. Which comes first the chicken or the egg. Soros seems to get an awful lot of sweet deals thanks to his political buddies.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 5:33 pm
by RunningMn9
Is that different than what I said? :)

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:48 am
by Alefroth
I'm curious to see how this one goes. You're basically renting a antenna at the end of a very long cable.

Aereo

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 12:11 pm
by stessier
Alefroth wrote:I'm curious to see how this one goes. You're basically renting a antenna at the end of a very long cable.

Aereo
Les Moonves says if this service is allowed to stand, he'll take his network off OTA and put it on cable. I would love to see that bluff called.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:44 pm
by Carpet_pissr
RunningMn9 wrote:Clearly what is missing in our national politics is more money.
The positive side is that we get the bonuses of the civic traits of "Oligarchy", compared with that nasty, difficult-to-control "Representative Democracy". Probably +1 gold per round, per corporation, or maybe commercial wonder?

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:51 pm
by Isgrimnur
-1 gold. Remember the double Irish?

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:03 pm
by Carpet_pissr
Isgrimnur wrote:-1 gold. Remember the double Irish?
heh, good point.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:02 pm
by Pyperkub
Alefroth wrote:I'm curious to see how this one goes. You're basically renting a antenna at the end of a very long cable.

Aereo
It's not just that. Aereo enabled a MASSIVE amount of innovation. Why Aereo matters to the Cloud:
There are far more important principles at play here, most importantly, whether a commercial service can enable you to access your own content over the Internet, regardless of where you are. I.e., the cloud.
In other words, Google Drive, Dropbox, Amazon MP3 Cloud, etc...

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:55 am
by Isgrimnur
Michigan anti-affirmative action law stands:
The Supreme Court on Tuesday upheld Michigan’s ban on the use of racial preferences in university admissions, a decision that might encourage other states to adopt similar prohibitions.

By a vote of 6 to 2, the court concluded that it was not up to judges to overturn the decision by Michigan voters to disallow consideration of race when deciding who gets into the state’s universities. California, Florida and the state of Washington have similar prohibitions.

“This case is not about how the debate about racial preferences should be resolved. It is about who may resolve it,” Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote in the court’s controlling opinion.

“There is no authority in the Constitution of the United States or in this court’s precedents for the judiciary to set aside Michigan laws that commit this policy determination to the voters.”
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At issue at the Supreme Court was language that says state colleges and universities “shall not discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin.”
I suppose that, as long as the policies in place do not show a de facto discrimination, then they can use whatever criteria they choose. However, they're going to be under a lot of scrutiny to make sure they're not violating rights, and I imagine the state university system will get the crap sued out of them if they get it wrong.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:02 pm
by Isgrimnur
Navarette v. California decided:
Today the U.S. Supreme Court decided Navarette v. California, a case concerning when the police have the authority to stop a vehicle due to a reasonable suspicion that the driver may be intoxicated. Justice Thomas wrote for the majority, concluding that under the totality of the circumstances presented in this case, which included a 911 call from another driver who claimed to have been run off the road, it was reasonable to stop Prado Naverette’s truck. After stopping the vehicle, the officers smelled marijuana, looked in the truck’s bed, and discovered 30 pounds of marijuana.

One of the things that is interesting about the Court’s decision in Naverette is the line-up. Justice Thomas’s majority opinion was joined by the Chief Justice and Justices Kennedy, Alito, and Breyer. Justice Scalia dissented, joined by Justices Ginsburg, Sotomayor and Kagan. According to Justice Scalia, an anonymous 911 call reporting one incident of erratic driving is not sufficiently reliable to provide for reasonable suspicion that a driver is impaired and is thus insufficient to justify a traffic stop.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:16 pm
by El Guapo
Isgrimnur wrote:Michigan anti-affirmative action law stands:
The Supreme Court on Tuesday upheld Michigan’s ban on the use of racial preferences in university admissions, a decision that might encourage other states to adopt similar prohibitions.

By a vote of 6 to 2, the court concluded that it was not up to judges to overturn the decision by Michigan voters to disallow consideration of race when deciding who gets into the state’s universities. California, Florida and the state of Washington have similar prohibitions.

“This case is not about how the debate about racial preferences should be resolved. It is about who may resolve it,” Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote in the court’s controlling opinion.

“There is no authority in the Constitution of the United States or in this court’s precedents for the judiciary to set aside Michigan laws that commit this policy determination to the voters.”
...
At issue at the Supreme Court was language that says state colleges and universities “shall not discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin.”
I suppose that, as long as the policies in place do not show a de facto discrimination, then they can use whatever criteria they choose. However, they're going to be under a lot of scrutiny to make sure they're not violating rights, and I imagine the state university system will get the crap sued out of them if they get it wrong.
Honestly at first blush it seems tough to argue that a statute prohibiting racial preferences is unconstitutional. Logically how could a statute that says "treat people the same regardless of race" violate the equal protection clause? If not the equal protection clause, then what exactly would it violate?

It would seem like you would have to argue that it treats minorities unequally because they're starting from an unequal position. But holding that a neutral law violates equal protection because it fails to remedy a pre-existing inequality would seem problematic - a lot of laws could be called into question on those grounds.

I'm inclined to favor affirmative action policies, but (without having studied the issue in depth) I'm inclined to think that anti-affirmative action statutes are probably constitutional.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:38 pm
by GreenGoo
Isgrimnur wrote:Navarette v. California decided:
Today the U.S. Supreme Court decided Navarette v. California, a case concerning when the police have the authority to stop a vehicle due to a reasonable suspicion that the driver may be intoxicated. Justice Thomas wrote for the majority, concluding that under the totality of the circumstances presented in this case, which included a 911 call from another driver who claimed to have been run off the road, it was reasonable to stop Prado Naverette’s truck. After stopping the vehicle, the officers smelled marijuana, looked in the truck’s bed, and discovered 30 pounds of marijuana.

One of the things that is interesting about the Court’s decision in Naverette is the line-up. Justice Thomas’s majority opinion was joined by the Chief Justice and Justices Kennedy, Alito, and Breyer. Justice Scalia dissented, joined by Justices Ginsburg, Sotomayor and Kagan. According to Justice Scalia, an anonymous 911 call reporting one incident of erratic driving is not sufficiently reliable to provide for reasonable suspicion that a driver is impaired and is thus insufficient to justify a traffic stop.
Just saw this on Popehat, but haven't had a chance to read it yet. The headline is somewhat provocative though.

"Supreme Court Conjures Corrorboration of Anonymous Tip Out of Thin Air To Justify Traffic Stop"

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:45 pm
by Isgrimnur
The summary at Popehat is pretty good:
The issue at hand is the power and reliability of anonymous tips. Here the California Highway Patrol received an anonymous tip through a 911 dispatcher that a silver Ford 150 pickup on a particular highway had run the tipster off the road. The CHP saw a truck matching the description on the highway and stopped it on suspicion of drunk driving — but did not first observe the truck doing anything illegal or reckless. In fact, the cops followed the truck for five miles without observing any traffic violations. The cops approached the truck and (allegedly) smelled marijuana, which led to a search and the discovery of a substantial amount of marijuana in the truck bed.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:09 pm
by cheeba
Looks like this is the end for Affirmative Action. Yay. I suspect many states will be voting on a copy of Michigan's Affirmative Action ban.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:19 am
by Scraper
Isgrimnur wrote:The summary at Popehat is pretty good:
The issue at hand is the power and reliability of anonymous tips. Here the California Highway Patrol received an anonymous tip through a 911 dispatcher that a silver Ford 150 pickup on a particular highway had run the tipster off the road. The CHP saw a truck matching the description on the highway and stopped it on suspicion of drunk driving — but did not first observe the truck doing anything illegal or reckless. In fact, the cops followed the truck for five miles without observing any traffic violations. The cops approached the truck and (allegedly) smelled marijuana, which led to a search and the discovery of a substantial amount of marijuana in the truck bed.
You can always count on Thomas to be on the side that says "F YOU" to the American people.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:23 am
by Rip
Scraper wrote:
Isgrimnur wrote:The summary at Popehat is pretty good:
The issue at hand is the power and reliability of anonymous tips. Here the California Highway Patrol received an anonymous tip through a 911 dispatcher that a silver Ford 150 pickup on a particular highway had run the tipster off the road. The CHP saw a truck matching the description on the highway and stopped it on suspicion of drunk driving — but did not first observe the truck doing anything illegal or reckless. In fact, the cops followed the truck for five miles without observing any traffic violations. The cops approached the truck and (allegedly) smelled marijuana, which led to a search and the discovery of a substantial amount of marijuana in the truck bed.
You can always count on Thomas to be on the side that says "F YOU" to the American people.
I guess you could say he is loyal to a fault. :D

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:30 am
by El Guapo
The Aereo arguments are this morning. I have a couple friends who are IP law nerds who camped out overnight at the Court to hear the arguments.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:50 am
by Isgrimnur
Hopefully they were there yesterday as well.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:52 am
by El Guapo
Oh. I guess they waited to post their FB photos until the evening after, then.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:54 am
by stessier
Is there any where we can read the briefs submitted by the sides in the Aereo case?

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:06 pm
by Isgrimnur
Maybe... :ninja:

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:09 pm
by stessier
Isgrimnur wrote:Maybe... :ninja:
Thanks! And holy moley are there a lot of briefs! How do you file one in support of neither party? That kind of amuses me.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:33 pm
by stessier
Reading the Ars summary of the oral arguments make it seem like the Aereo lawyer missed the boat in explaining his service is just an antenna and DVR with a really long cord. They only provide service to what people can already get. I fear this could lead to a very ugly ruling.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:48 pm
by Chaz
I've got a few friends who work at Aereo. I'm sure if I was one of them, I'd be incredibly nervous about this.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:29 pm
by Isgrimnur
Paroline v. United States
The ruling in the case of Paroline v. United States, settling a dispute among lower courts on a mandatory law of restitution to victims of child pornography, refused to establish a specific formula for allocating the financial blame, telling federal trial judges to “do their best,” with a few suggestions for starting points. Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote the majority opinion.


The decision clearly will spare a Tyler, Texas, man, Doyle Randall Paroline, from paying all of the nearly $3.4 million that lawyers for a young woman identified only as “Amy” had demanded from him. Paroline had two images of her being photographed as her uncle sexually abused her when she was eight years old. Now a young woman, she had testified that “My life and my feelings are worse now because the crime has never really stopped and will never really stop.”

The Court ruled that a federal district court judge must calculate how much to assess against Paroline personally. There is no doubt, Justice Kennedy wrote, that Paroline “was part of the overall phenomenon” of distributing and keeping images of the abuse of Amy. He should have to pay his share and, Kennedy said, it must be enough to send the message that his part in the crime was not victimless.

Lawyers for “Amy” had insisted that Paroline, like everyone who has her images and looks at them, contributes to her continuing injury, so each of them should be required to pay the full amount for her losses, in whatever multiples of individuals are found and prosecuted for having the pictures.
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Only one Justice — Sonia Sotomayor — agreed with the demand for full restitution, but Sotomayor did so in dissent. Three other Justices, also in dissent, said that calculating each possessor’s share of the overall harm to “Amy” would necessarily be “arbitrary,” so there should be no restitution to her because Congress had “provided no mechanism” for calculating shares of the cause of her injury.
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The majority expressed confidence that district court judges could devise ways to make a calculation of comparative harm, aided by the government (which would have the burden of proof on the amount of the victim’s loss). But, in order to aid the judges in this task, Justice Kennedy laid out some general principles.

First, there must be a conviction, which would establish that the individual in question possessed images of the victim.
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Next, the judge can take into account a variety of factors on “relative cause” for each individual convicted
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Kennedy cautioned that “these factors need not be converted into a rigid formula, especially if doing so would result in trivial restitution orders. They should serve as rough guideposts for determining an amount that fits the offense.”

In warning against going too far to hold each individual who possesses child pornography financially liable, the majority opinion said there was a risk that this could violate the Constitution’s ban on “excessive” forms of punishment, because restitution is a form of punishment carried out by a government process.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:37 pm
by Isgrimnur
White vs. Woodall opinion

ABC
The Supreme Court on Wednesday declined to overturn the death sentence of a man who confessed to kidnapping, raping and killing a 16-year-old girl in Kentucky.

The justices ruled 6-3 that Robert Keith Woodall was not entitled to a new sentencing hearing despite his claim that jurors received faulty instructions.

Woodall argued that the trial judge should have told the jury not to draw any negative conclusions about his refusal to take the stand at his 1998 capital sentencing hearing.

Justice Antonin Scalia said the trial judge was under no obligation to instruct the jury about drawing adverse conclusions. Scalia acknowledged that prior Supreme Court precedents have required such instructions during the guilt phase of a criminal trial and in some cases during sentencing. But he said those decisions did not "clearly establish" a broad rule for all sentencing hearings.
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Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Anthony Kennedy, Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas and Elena Kagan joined Scalia's opinion reversing the appeals court.
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Justice Stephen Breyer, joined by Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor, said the "normal rule is that Fifth Amendment protections apply during trial and sentencing." Breyer said the high court's precedent was clear in requiring the no-adverse-inference instruction during a sentencing hearing.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:45 am
by Scraper
The upcoming Cell Phone Search warrant case has me really worried. We all know Thomas is going to bend over backwards to allow the police to search anything they want to. But what about Roberts and Alito? Will they draw the line here? Searching a cell phone without a warrant can potentially reveal a hell of a lot more than searching one's car or even their person. Heck it could even reveal more than searching one's home. Emails, banking records, call history, private text conversations, etc. It is going to come down to an expectation of privacy and I don't see how one's cell phone contents shouldn't have an expectation of privacy.

Still if this one goes the wrong way we will have effectively lost a lot of freedom. It won't impact just cell phones, the case will be used to justify any sort of a search of electronic storage.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:22 am
by Rip
This has me wondering. Historically if a person were arrested while carrying their laptop, would they be able to search it without a warrant? To me a smartphone of today is a laptop of yesterday, or a locked briefcase of the day before.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:24 am
by Isgrimnur
Cross the border and it doesn't matter.

Re: SCOTUS Watch

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:49 am
by El Guapo
Rip wrote:This has me wondering. Historically if a person were arrested while carrying their laptop, would they be able to search it without a warrant? To me a smartphone of today is a laptop of yesterday, or a locked briefcase of the day before.
If you encrypt your laptop you may be entitled to some Fifth Amendment protections against being compelled to de-encrypt it, at least as long as the government does not know specific evidence that is contained on the hard drive.

As for search & seizure rights, the border cases that I have read (that your laptop - and everything else - can be freely searched at the border implies that you have fourth amendment protections on your laptop other than at the border, though I'm no expert in the area.