Super Bowl LI

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:20 pm

RunningMn9 wrote:
Pyperkub wrote:Basically, it's the disproven allegations in the book.
Right, but they are "disproven" according to the filing that her lawyers made. Which is exactly what the filing that her lawyers made would say, no?

My point is that everything that is known about this by Shaun King, who is pushing this story, is from the filing that her lawyers made. Like...I have to believe that his lawyers filed a brief as well, that made a compelling sounding argument that the allegations in the book weren't disproven, no?

There was no finding by the court with respect to what was true - outside of the denial of Manning's motion to dismiss. The case was settled before then.

We have one side of the story - that is crafted in such a way as to exert the maximum pressure possible to force a settlement. There are other people that have additional information. Those people have all discarded this story as nonsense. Of course, these same people also discarded all of the Deflategate stuff as nonsense as well, so what do they know?

As I recall, the sworn testimony (from a deposition?) of one of his teammates (with no dog in the fight, as I recall) directly contradicts what Manning has said (aand written) happened. As such,the second defamation settlement (re the book) is far more damning to me.

PS the Jets willingness to take him is not evidence at all. AS I said, the incident is not as big a deal as the coverup/ongoing allegation about her character and all of that happened after the draft (and still wouldn't be enough reason not to draft him, IMHO).

The incident was an immature teenage dick move (and not apparently part of a pattern/problem for him), the ongoing allegations about her in the book are a grown up business dick move, and he's paid for that in his settlement. To me, it's done - I don't really care that much about it from that perspective. But for an ongoing problem at Tennessee, that IS a big deal to me.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:40 pm

How many time do I have to type things before people read them instead of just reading what they want to read?

Carry on. Feel free to imagine that this post says whatever you need it to say.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:42 pm

RunningMn9 wrote:I'm telling you. The Detroit Lions will win the Superbowl against my precious Bills in 2017, demonstrating the superiority of the NFC.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:38 pm

RunningMn9 wrote:How many time do I have to type things before people read them instead of just reading what they want to read?

Carry on. Feel free to imagine that this post says whatever you need it to say.

The thing is, we don't have one side of the story - we also have Manning's from the book. But yeah, I don't really care that much about it to keep writing about it.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:47 pm

Pyperkub wrote:The thing is, we don't have one side of the story - we also have Manning's from the book. But yeah, I don't really care that much about it to keep writing about it.

Thanks to PFT, we also have some more details.

It should be noted that the tone of the PFT article is due largely to the irritation that Mike Florio has for the way that Shaun King has reported on this - and how he grossly misunderstood what document it was that he was originally given.

In short, when the trainer brought the defamation suit against Manning, his lawyers filed a 52-page motion for summary judgement. The 74-page document published by the Daily News was her lawyer's rebuttal to that motion. Manning's lawyers also filed a subsequent rebuttal to that, which basically amount to - "I mean seriously, look at this crazy shit".

Regardless of what a person's ultimately conclusion is about what happened back in 1996, I think it's reasonable to say that your opinion should be formed by reading all of the documentation and understanding the context of each. Simply reading her lawyers 74-page response and treating it like the Book of Genesis handed down by God (as the Daily News writer did) undermines you in my eyes.

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 1:32 pm

RunningMn9 wrote:
Pyperkub wrote:The thing is, we don't have one side of the story - we also have Manning's from the book. But yeah, I don't really care that much about it to keep writing about it.
Thanks to PFT, we also have some more details.

It should be noted that the tone of the PFT article is due largely to the irritation that Mike Florio has for the way that Shaun King has reported on this - and how he grossly misunderstood what document it was that he was originally given.

In short, when the trainer brought the defamation suit against Manning, his lawyers filed a 52-page motion for summary judgement. The 74-page document published by the Daily News was her lawyer's rebuttal to that motion. Manning's lawyers also filed a subsequent rebuttal to that, which basically amount to - "I mean seriously, look at this crazy shit".

Regardless of what a person's ultimately conclusion is about what happened back in 1996, I think it's reasonable to say that your opinion should be formed by reading all of the documentation and understanding the context of each. Simply reading her lawyers 74-page response and treating it like the Book of Genesis handed down by God (as the Daily News writer did) undermines you in my eyes.

Just read this article myself

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:27 am

PFT has an article detailing just how screwed Baltimore is with Flacco's contract.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:10 pm

RunningMn9 wrote: Simply reading her lawyers 74-page response and treating it like the Book of Genesis handed down by God (as the Daily News writer did) undermines you in my eyes.

Absolutely. My favorite part was how Shaun King made a big deal of the lawyers' response being called (as is standard, incidentally) a "Statement of Facts."

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:33 pm

El Guapo wrote:
RunningMn9 wrote: Simply reading her lawyers 74-page response and treating it like the Book of Genesis handed down by God (as the Daily News writer did) undermines you in my eyes.
Absolutely. My favorite part was how Shaun King made a big deal of the lawyers' response being called (as is standard, incidentally) a "Statement of Facts."

It's a motion for summary judgment, for crying out loud. The statement of undisputed facts is required . . . And so is a response to the statement of undisputed facts, in which it is regularly revealed that said facts are not, in fact, undisputed!

To take what's in the statement as "fact" fails Law 101.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:57 pm

I downloaded and listened to Florio's hour long podcast on the topic, just to have him explain the legal side of things (he was a practicing lawyer for almost 20 years so is more familiar with the process than I am). The thing he seemed most perplexed about was the fact that the other UT player that was in the locker room for the 1996 incident was never questioned under oath by anyone, especially not by Manning's lawyers.

He signed an affidavit, which was used to grill Manning during his deposition. The notion that they never deposed Saxton under oath is perplexing (to him).

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Wed Feb 24, 2016 12:03 am

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Wed Feb 24, 2016 12:07 am

Can't get the link to work, but if you go to bsndenver.com

there is an interesting article about Manning's accuser

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:26 am

You need to use the url tag.

Article

It's pretty long and site is slow, so here's the beginning

It’s been over two weeks since Shaun King wrote the Peyton Manning story that changed the sports landscape forever. Since then, we have found out a lot about him and his subject, Jamie Naughright.

What Ms. Naughright might have underestimated about the news sphere in 2016 is that extreme transparency works both ways and for her, that is proving to be a very bad thing.

Jamie Naughright appears to be obsessed with sex and sexuality. The list of people that she has attacked with sexual claims is astounding.

We all know about the 1996 case by now but Peyton Manning wasn’t the only person that she went after. The Associated Press released a report in 1997 outlining a whopping 33 claims made by Naughright (then known as Jamie Whited) against athletes, trainers, coaches and administrators between 1990 and 1996. It seems that almost anyone who came in contact with her in the 90’s, assaulted or harassed her in some way, shape, or form.

McNutt · Post by **McNutt** » Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:41 am

Whoa! Those Facebook posts were incredible. I have a friend who has serious mental issues after he stopped taking his medication and his Facebook posts looked exactly like that. Calling everyone out for no reason in a rambling, vulgar way.

Shaun King is probably going to be sorry he jumped on her bandwagon.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:30 am

McNutt wrote:he jumped on her bandwagon.

Sounds like sexual harassment.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:42 pm

Peyton Manning Tirelessly Studying Footage Of Athletes Denying Allegations

Praising the 39-year-old’s exhaustive preparations amid accusations involving performance-enhancing drug use and sexual assault, sources close to Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning confirmed Wednesday that he has been tirelessly studying video footage of other athletes denying allegations. “He’ll sit in his film room 10, sometimes 12 hours a day just studying various defenses, and he’s been absolutely meticulous about writing down exactly how many seconds someone pauses before becoming teary-eyed and saying how hard the whole process has been on them and their family,” said Manning’s personal assistant, Ryan Robinson, noting that the quarterback had been thoroughly studying the likes of Kobe Bryant, Barry Bonds, Ben Roethlisberger, and Lance Armstrong, often rewatching their interviews multiple times until he has memorized the techniques they used to profess their innocence.

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:11 pm

Roddy White cut
Lafell and Scott Chandler Cut.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:11 am

Kirk Cousins will be back with the Redskins, as he's signing his franchise tender.

Jeff V · Post by **Jeff V** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:52 am

naednek wrote:Roddy White cut
Lafell and Scott Chandler Cut.

Good. Lafell was my second biggest disappointment this year (after Jamal Charles dying early in the season).

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 12:31 pm

CBS

New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady could again be facing a four-game suspension for the scandal known as Deflategate after federal appeals court judges spent time Thursday shredding some of his union’s favorite arguments for dismissal.

The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan gave a players’ union lawyer a tough time, with Circuit Judge Denny Chin even saying evidence of ball tampering was “compelling, if not overwhelming,” and there was evidence to support a finding that Brady “knew about it, consented to it, encouraged it.”
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The appeals court did not immediately rule, but it seemed to lean heavily at times against the union’s arguments, raising the prospect that the suspension Brady was supposed to start last September before a judge nullified it may begin next season instead.
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Judge Barrington D. Parker said the cellphone-destruction issue raised the stakes “from air in a football to compromising the integrity of a proceeding that the commissioner had convened.”

“An adjudicator looking at these facts, it seems to me, might conclude that the cellphone had incriminating information on it and that, in the teeth of an investigation, it was deliberately destroyed,” Parker said. “So why couldn’t the commissioner suspend Mr. Brady for that conduct alone?”

“With all due respect, Mr. Brady’s explanation of that made no sense whatsoever,” Parker said.
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Chief Judge Robert A. Katzmann noted that the fact that commissioners can be confronted with a novel situation might be why the language of the players union’s contract agreement with the league “gives the commissioner broad authority to deal with conduct detrimental” to the game.

The judges did not treat the NFL gingerly either, with Parker questioning whether Goodell took his authority too far by designating himself the arbitrator and making findings that went beyond a report prepared by an investigator the league hired.
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The judges also questioned why deflating footballs would warrant a severe suspension.

But they seemed to answer that question themselves when Kessler stood before them as they noted repeatedly that it may well be within Goodell’s authority to punish a player if he concludes that the player interfered with an investigation and thus engaged in conduct detrimental to the game.
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Neither Goodell nor Brady was in court Thursday. A decision could take weeks or months.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 12:38 pm

He was smart to change his contract and lower his base salary.

Jeff V · Post by **Jeff V** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 12:42 pm

They should also make him wear a scarlet "C" and forbid him from telling anyone it means "captain".

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:05 pm

Jeff V wrote:They should also make him wear a scarlet "C" and forbid him from telling anyone it means "captain".

Spoiler:

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:02 am

Peyton Manning retires from football after 18 NFL seasons

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:15 am

Moliere wrote:Peyton Manning retires from football after 18 NFL seasons

I'm relieved.

I was dreading having to see the Broncos cut him and then embarrass himself somewhere like Houston or Cleveland.

I have a feeling Osweiler will sign after the retirement announcement Monday. Curious if all this has been strategically managed. Osweiler takes the contract it's rumored he was offered, but not making it official until after Manning gets the spotlight one more time.

Chrisoc13 · Post by **Chrisoc13** » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:25 am

Why in the world would the nfl keep pushing on deflategate? Seriously. It is only hurting their brand at this point for it to be continuously brought up. I would let it slip quietly away if I were them.

Also glad to see manning retire. He's a great one, but it's time to go.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:36 pm

It's not about deflated footballs anymore, it's about the Commissioner's ability to be judge, jury, and executioner. Deflategate is just the background.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:21 pm

Chrisoc13 wrote:Why in the world would the nfl keep pushing on deflategate? Seriously. It is only hurting their brand at this point for it to be continuously brought up. I would let it slip quietly away if I were them.

Also glad to see manning retire. He's a great one, but it's time to go.

In addition to stessier's point, this isn't them "keep on pushing" it. This was the hearing that was scheduled back when the NFL filed their appeal immediately after the adverse ruling.

As stessier notes this has nothing to do with deflate gate. This is about the scope of Commissioner power under the CBA. Neither side can just give in because of the precedent it would set.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sun Mar 06, 2016 2:11 pm

Have they asked Apple to unlock his phone yet?

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:05 pm

RGIII up for grabs

Robert Griffin III says he is done as a member of the Washington Redskins.
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Washington made clear it would part ways with Griffin by Wednesday to get his 2016 contract off the books before it became guaranteed for about $16 million.
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As soon as he is cut, Griffin becomes a free agent and can sign anywhere. N.F.L. free agency begins Wednesday, and the Redskins needed to free salary-cap space.

rshetts2 · Post by **rshetts2** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:25 pm

Sad day for Lions fans. While it isnt a surprise, it is now official. Calvin Johnson has retired from football.

Jeff V · Post by **Jeff V** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:51 pm

Q: What does Calvin Johnson and Barry Sanders have in common?
A: They both retired in their prime rather than play another game as a Detroit Lion.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:55 pm

rshetts2 wrote:Sad day for Lions fans. While it isnt a surprise, it is now official. Calvin Johnson has retired from football.

I don't blame him. A body that large can't keep throwing itself against the ground and take the hits it does. So good for Calvin. Take your money and your health. You've earned it, as much as one can earn millions of dollars, anyway. Cheers!

I think it will be better for the team in the middle term, too. It will clear some payroll for a guy who getting injured too much and has been getting long in the tooth even if he was still receiver A.

I also believe it will more expose Matt Stafford and as long as Matt doesn't get an extension now, that is a good thing, IMO. If he does get an extension now and Calvin is gone and we don't get more once in lifetime help, then the middle term, not so much...

Anyhoo, like last year, when the time comes I'll watch the first two games and those games will decide how I spend Sundays for the season.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:55 pm

LordMortis wrote:
rshetts2 wrote:Sad day for Lions fans. While it isnt a surprise, it is now official. Calvin Johnson has retired from football.
I don't blame him. A body that large can't keep throwing itself against the ground and take the hits it does. So good for Calvin. Take your money and your health. You've earned it, as much as one can earn millions of dollars, anyway. Cheers!

I think it will be better for the team in the middle term, too. It will clear some payroll for a guy who getting injured too much and has been getting long in the tooth even if he was still receiver A.

I also believe it will more expose Matt Stafford and as long as Matt doesn't get an extension now, that is a good thing, IMO. If he does get an extension now and Calvin is gone and we don't get more once in lifetime help, then the middle term, not so much...

Anyhoo, like last year, when the time comes I'll watch the first two games and those games will decide how I spend Sundays for the season.

Stafford did very well with Tate as number 1 season before last. Time for them both to step up again. Other than that I agree with it being a good thing.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:04 pm

As much as anything is ever good news for the Lions.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:43 pm

Remus West wrote:Stafford did very well with Tate as number 1 season before last. Time for them both to step up again. Other than that I agree with it being a good thing.

This gives him a chance to sink or swim without Johnson. I would not give him a contract extension before the test. If they get an early draft OLine pick that is ready on day one and supplement the loss of Johnson with a free agent receiver and they still have such an anemic offense then ride Stafford's contract out while we're training Conner Cook

Sadly I don't see Conner making it to the second round much less to the Lions in the second round.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:17 pm

LordMortis wrote:
rshetts2 wrote:Sad day for Lions fans. While it isnt a surprise, it is now official. Calvin Johnson has retired from football.
I don't blame him. A body that large can't keep throwing itself against the ground and take the hits it does. So good for Calvin. Take your money and your health. You've earned it, as much as one can earn millions of dollars, anyway. Cheers!

Health is relative. Supposedly his hands are seriously messed up and he has pain getting up and walking around. Now money he should have.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:05 pm

How much money is MIA going to commit to their D Line? Jesus.

rshetts2 · Post by **rshetts2** » Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:21 am

stessier wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
rshetts2 wrote:Sad day for Lions fans. While it isnt a surprise, it is now official. Calvin Johnson has retired from football.
I don't blame him. A body that large can't keep throwing itself against the ground and take the hits it does. So good for Calvin. Take your money and your health. You've earned it, as much as one can earn millions of dollars, anyway. Cheers!
Health is relative. Supposedly his hands are seriously messed up and he has pain getting up and walking around. Now money he should have.

Most people in Detroit understand the decision. I sure don't blame him. I will miss him though, he was phenomenal to watch play.

EvilHomer3k · Post by **EvilHomer3k** » Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:18 pm

Looks like Denver lost 2 QBs in the last few days. Osweiler going to texas.

It also seems like Forte is headed to the Jets.

I don't think that's a big loss for the Bears. Langford proved very capable and may be better at this point in his career than Forte. Not so for the backups in Denver who have proven nothing.