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Yeah, that's the whole problem.Daehawk wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:46 pm I wonder if there aren't a lot of people who get infected and either dont notice it at all or just have a small cough or some sneezing and go on about their life spreading it.
Jaymon wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:27 pm well, every who has kids in school. start making plans now for what to do when the schools are closed. Because they are going to close, its just a matter of time. Prep your house for two weeks of not being able to buy groceries.
Remember to think like a prepper, too. Canned goods, dry goods. Light on frozen and perishables.Jaymon wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:27 pmPrep your house for two weeks of not being able to buy groceries.
"We know there is huge demand out there for testing, we know there are a lot of people in our state who are sick and they want to know if they have Covid-19," Washington State Health Officer Kathy Lofy told a news conference. "I want to tell you we are doing everything possible to expand testing capacity here in our state."
Nurse practitioner Paula Ruedebusch asked patients not to take out frustrations on front-line medical staff.
"We have had patients presenting here, angry that they cannot be tested for COVID-19, yelling, cussing, throwing their dirty mask at us and even spitting their secretions on the floor and walls on their way out," Ruedebusch, who works at an urgent care clinic in the Seattle suburb of Monroe, wrote on Facebook.
Testing was delayed after a first round of kits sent by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) failed and it took weeks for replacements to arrive in states.
The CDC initially set narrow criteria on who could be tested but widened them in the last day to anyone who has symptoms of Covid-19, Lofy said.
Washington still faces capacity issues, with the state public health laboratory only able to test around 100 people a day, Lofy said. The state hopes to ramp up testing through commercial labs.
The agency in Afghanistan did an about-face this morning and cancelled everything due to coronavirus concerns. Kenya has done the same. They’re both basically locking down at this point.Skinypupy wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:09 pmI have two consultants currently working with a US federal agency in Pakistan. They are headed to Afghanistan on Saturday to work there for three weeks. The medical directors in both locations downplayed any concerns and there are no restrictions. They both sounded shocked when we expressed concerns about coming, which was surprising.malchior wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:37 pm I work for a major consultant firm and we just got guidance that generally discourages all travel (even domestic). There are prohibitions against any work travel to certain countries. Any other international travel has to be approved. Wow.
Interestingly, that same agency cancelled another program we were scheduled to deliver in Cairo next week. Only "mission critical" personnel are being allowed onsite right now. I have a huge project in Kenya next month...really hoping that one doesn't go sideways too.
My company is discouraging, but not actively limiting, domestic travel (I'm writing this from a DC hotel room). Any international engagements are decided on a case-by-case basis.
Quick question - is there a difference between "spitting your secretions" and just "spitting"?malchior wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:55 am Anger over continuing lack of capacity to test in WA
"We know there is huge demand out there for testing, we know there are a lot of people in our state who are sick and they want to know if they have Covid-19," Washington State Health Officer Kathy Lofy told a news conference. "I want to tell you we are doing everything possible to expand testing capacity here in our state."
Nurse practitioner Paula Ruedebusch asked patients not to take out frustrations on front-line medical staff.
"We have had patients presenting here, angry that they cannot be tested for COVID-19, yelling, cussing, throwing their dirty mask at us and even spitting their secretions on the floor and walls on their way out," Ruedebusch, who works at an urgent care clinic in the Seattle suburb of Monroe, wrote on Facebook.
Testing was delayed after a first round of kits sent by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) failed and it took weeks for replacements to arrive in states.
The CDC initially set narrow criteria on who could be tested but widened them in the last day to anyone who has symptoms of Covid-19, Lofy said.
Washington still faces capacity issues, with the state public health laboratory only able to test around 100 people a day, Lofy said. The state hopes to ramp up testing through commercial labs.
I don't totally understand the logic of stuff like that. Unless and until we're at the stage of basically not going out in public unless there's an emergency, what's the difference between being out in DC vs. being out in NY?Octavious wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:19 am My daughter has a DC school trip next month that she's been waiting for all year. I don't want to say anything, but I think there's a solid chance they cancel it.
I'm seeing this a lot in many communities. Akin to 'I saw this big convention cancel therefore my small event will overreact and do so'. For example, I'm seeing rumbles of some sporting tournaments cancelling through April. I am skeptical because I think it's likely there "won't be an outbreak" because we won't know its happening.El Guapo wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:35 amI don't totally understand the logic of stuff like that. Unless and until we're at the stage of basically not going out in public unless there's an emergency, what's the difference between being out in DC vs. being out in NY?Octavious wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:19 am My daughter has a DC school trip next month that she's been waiting for all year. I don't want to say anything, but I think there's a solid chance they cancel it.
Is there any reason to expect electricity (and for that matter water) outages? Or is just that that's ordinary emergency preparedness?
This is also where an administration with credibility could make a big difference. BUT since Trump lacks credibility in general, and has obviously attempted to minimize coronavirus issues in particular, his administration probably couldn't help here (and any efforts by him to do so might be counter-productive).malchior wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:41 amI'm seeing this a lot in many communities. Akin to 'I saw this big convention cancel therefore my small event will overreact and do so'. For example, I'm seeing rumbles of some sporting tournaments cancelling through April. I am skeptical because I think it's likely there "won't be an outbreak" because we won't know its happening.El Guapo wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:35 amI don't totally understand the logic of stuff like that. Unless and until we're at the stage of basically not going out in public unless there's an emergency, what's the difference between being out in DC vs. being out in NY?Octavious wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:19 am My daughter has a DC school trip next month that she's been waiting for all year. I don't want to say anything, but I think there's a solid chance they cancel it.
No reason at all to expect outages. I just don't want to pile up things that can't last a long time on their own. Personal preferences. My family doesn't eat much that's frozen.
Where does two weeks come from? Is the idea that if there's a severe localized outbreak, two weeks would be enough for that outbreak to play itself out?Paingod wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:42 amRemember to think like a prepper, too. Canned goods, dry goods. Light on frozen and perishables.Jaymon wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:27 pmPrep your house for two weeks of not being able to buy groceries.
We typically keep several pounds of dried grains we use for regular cooking (bought in bulk, cheaper) and dozens of different cans of things. No great hardship if we can't leave the house for a week, but after two weeks we'll get tired of barley.
This is a super fun time to have a kid currently in the midst of an extended stay in the hospital (on day 9, expected to go into next week). I visit daily, but I'm gearing up for my full time shift over the weekend. On the plus side, he's in isolation so everyone gowns up when they come in - maybe that will protect us?GungHo wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:46 pm Well along with continuing to make us work on Christmas and Thanksgiving, the children's hospital I work for us continuing to make us take care of patients.
We did get some extra wipes to clean stuff though so that's...exciting?
I'll probably get this thing and it probably won't make me very sick. Probably.
What you gonna do?
If it gets that far (and it's possible, although I don't think it's a foregone conclusion), I'm turning the one hour per day limit off of the twins' tablets.Jaymon wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:27 pm well, every who has kids in school. start making plans now for what to do when the schools are closed. Because they are going to close, its just a matter of time. Prep your house for two weeks of not being able to buy groceries. its not doomsday, power and water won't fail, but you may need to self quarantine when you get sick.
Japan is NOT a third world country with poor hygiene, and they closed all schools nationwide this week
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/ ... mA4eahKhhE
As this continues to spread, everybody who can work from home, is going to have to work from home. Schools and offices will close, major events will close.
No idea where they got two weeks. I was just responding to Jaymon's post.El Guapo wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:05 amWhere does two weeks come from? Is the idea that if there's a severe localized outbreak, two weeks would be enough for that outbreak to play itself out?
Yeah, I'm just leaning towards putting together a "stay in place" stockpile. Prompted by the coronavirus, although I'm skeptical that I'll wind up using it for this - I basically figure that it's worth having longterm even if I wind up not using it for this.Paingod wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:13 amNo idea where they got two weeks. I was just responding to Jaymon's post.El Guapo wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:05 amWhere does two weeks come from? Is the idea that if there's a severe localized outbreak, two weeks would be enough for that outbreak to play itself out?
Personally, two weeks sounds short for hiding from the bug. From the moment you realize the virus is in your area, it'll probably take 2-4 weeks to peak and 4-6 weeks to start to trail off. It sounds like it takes 2 weeks for the alarm bells to actually start ringing. All conjecture, though. I don't think there's any sitting this one out. Even a nut that bunkers down and eats MRE's for 4 years is probably going to emerge and get infected by the 6th generation of the bug as it circles the globe again. More and more this is sounding like a permanent part of our lives.
Two weeks sounds like a government quarantine duration, though. Tell people to stay home, stay inside, avoid shopping for two weeks.
Her school is famous for overreacting to everything so I'm just making the assumption. I hope I'm wrong as she will be super upset. It's the big 8th grade trip that she's been looking forward to for years.malchior wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:41 amI'm seeing this a lot in many communities. Akin to 'I saw this big convention cancel therefore my small event will overreact and do so'. For example, I'm seeing rumbles of some sporting tournaments cancelling through April. I am skeptical because I think it's likely there "won't be an outbreak" because we won't know its happening.El Guapo wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:35 amI don't totally understand the logic of stuff like that. Unless and until we're at the stage of basically not going out in public unless there's an emergency, what's the difference between being out in DC vs. being out in NY?Octavious wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:19 am My daughter has a DC school trip next month that she's been waiting for all year. I don't want to say anything, but I think there's a solid chance they cancel it.
We are so far behind at this point it's quite troubling. More and more people are going to flood local ERs and their PCP's office. Some of them are going to have it and they're likely going to spread it while trying to be identified and receive care. Wish I had better news to report, but this is a huge red flag.The Trump administration won’t be able to meet its promised timeline of having a million coronavirus tests available by the end of the week, senators said after a briefing Thursday from health officials.
“There won’t be a million people to get a test by the end of the week,” Republican Senator Rick Scott of Florida said. “It’s way smaller than that. And still, at this point, it’s still through public health departments.”
Scott and other lawmakers said the government is “in the process” of sending test kits out and people still need to be trained on how to use them. The entire process could take days or weeks, they said.
Rep. Matt Gaetz, a close ally of President Donald Trump who is serving in his second term, first tweeted a picture showing him wear a gas mask as he reviewed the bill in his office.
"Essentially the floor of the Congress is a Petri dish. We all fly into these dirty airports, we touch and selfie everyone we meet, and then we congregate together," Gaetz said.
Oh my goodness, that's yikes!geezer wrote:Both the wife and I make 100% of our income from large public events. We're so boned.
Smoove_B wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:25 pm Exhibit A as to why we're collectively in trouble:
We are so far behind at this point it's quite troubling. More and more people are going to flood local ERs and their PCP's office. Some of them are going to have it and they're likely going to spread it while trying to be identified and receive care. Wish I had better news to report, but this is a huge red flag.The Trump administration won’t be able to meet its promised timeline of having a million coronavirus tests available by the end of the week, senators said after a briefing Thursday from health officials.
“There won’t be a million people to get a test by the end of the week,” Republican Senator Rick Scott of Florida said. “It’s way smaller than that. And still, at this point, it’s still through public health departments.”
Scott and other lawmakers said the government is “in the process” of sending test kits out and people still need to be trained on how to use them. The entire process could take days or weeks, they said.
The above is what I was unfortunately referencing here. Prepare to be *MASSIVELY GASLIT* on this topic. I've already heard it from friends who are talking about how out of proportion this whole thing is. "People die from the flu all the time". "It doesn't seem to be as bad as people think it was going to be."Myself wrote:I am skeptical because I think it's likely there "won't be an outbreak" because we won't know its happening.
This one is pretty easy to debunk. The average seasonal Flu death rate is .1%, so far in the US the Covid 19 death rate is about 10%. Even if you go with the overall world average of about 3% that's still not even remotely comparable to the flu.malchior wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:22 pmSmoove_B wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:25 pm Exhibit A as to why we're collectively in trouble:
We are so far behind at this point it's quite troubling. More and more people are going to flood local ERs and their PCP's office. Some of them are going to have it and they're likely going to spread it while trying to be identified and receive care. Wish I had better news to report, but this is a huge red flag.The Trump administration won’t be able to meet its promised timeline of having a million coronavirus tests available by the end of the week, senators said after a briefing Thursday from health officials.
“There won’t be a million people to get a test by the end of the week,” Republican Senator Rick Scott of Florida said. “It’s way smaller than that. And still, at this point, it’s still through public health departments.”
Scott and other lawmakers said the government is “in the process” of sending test kits out and people still need to be trained on how to use them. The entire process could take days or weeks, they said.The above is what I was unfortunately referencing here. Prepare to be *MASSIVELY GASLIT* on this topic. I've already heard it from friends who are talking about how out of proportion this whole thing is. "People die from the flu all the time". "It doesn't seem to be as bad as people think it was going to be."Myself wrote:I am skeptical because I think it's likely there "won't be an outbreak" because we won't know its happening.
