BSG V - Game over -Cylons win

[Newcastle]

that really was the one upshot to my death. the fact that on that night, the cylons were gunning for you, but also i escaped the bomb at the same time.....but still died due to faulty analysis....so yeah, i kind of want to say it came out a push...i mean it did throw you guys for a loop...but left a mess for the survivors to analyse and fiure out what caused my death.

[Lassr]

Night/Day 5

Cylons kill Purge
A Cylon traitor, who would have calculated the probabilities for that scenario? When Purge announced he was a Cylon and was helping the humans and had marked Remus and Bubbles for death, there was nothing to do but to claim the same thing in return. The humans did not seem to buy Remus story but fell in line with Purge. For that Purge must die.
Remus volunteered to do the job. If it was a trap then it would not matter as he was likely to die tomorrow anyhow. Remus waited around the corner from the room Purge had been using. Hopefully he will not change rooms tonight. After a few minutes you hear footsteps and see Purge stop at his door. As he opens it you rush out and grab him, forcibly shoving him into his room and slamming his head into the wall. As the door automatically shuts you begin punching him in the face, strangely he does not fight back.
“As a traitor to the Cylon race your punishment is death.” Remus pulls a knife from his boot and thrusts it into Purge’s throat. As Purge’s life flows away with each pump of the heart, Remus wipes his hands on Purge’s uniform and exits the room.

Athena scans Triggercut
You earned the trust of most of the humans for the day and survived. But the target on your head now is very large. If you survived the night you are not sure how long the humans would keep you around, you are Cylon after all. After a brief chat with Austin, you head directly to room and plan to scan Triggercut after you have barricaded yourself in for the night. As you open the door to your room you hear movement behind you. Before you can turn two hands are on you shoving you into the room. Your head hits the wall and you are momentarily dazed. Punches start landing on your face. You lay there and take it, you didn’t expect to survive. Whether your death came at the hands of the Cylons or humans, it did not matter. Through your blurred vision you see Remus pull something from his boot as he say, “As a traitor to the Cylon race your punishment is death.” You feel the burn as the knife slices into your throat. Your life flows from the cut and the room grows dark.
0800
Everyone returns to the cafeteria. There were a lot of bloodshot eyes and a line at the Java machine. Some wore sunglasses trying to block out the bright lights that just enhanced their pounding headaches. Kraegor rubs his temples, “Ok, no more celebrating a successful kill. Let’s just get the job done.”
“Purge, what do you have for us today? Purge? Where’s Purge?” Austin asks. “Oh Frack!”
Austin exits the room and returns shortly with grim news. “Purge is dead. Looks like his throat was cut open. I guess we are on our own.”
Remus speaks up, “What about my help? I’ve been helping. What?”

Cylon #7 -will you plant a bomb?
Tory Foster -Who will you talk to?
Helo - Will you shoot?
Athena will you scan a known Cylon?

Who will be executed?
Majority is 6.

You have 12 hours. (Four real days + weekends).


0915
With purge’s death everyone knew who had to go next. After a brief discussion the votes piled up quickly. Remus West was being escorted to the autopsy room when he suddenly broke out in song. “It’s going to be me that slaughter’s the world. How can I looked into these eyes and not stab them…”
Everyone freezes at this odd behavior. “He’s gone fracking haywire.”
“Get him out of here.”

1000
Austin walks back into the room 45 minutes later. “No mystery here. He was Cylon.” The crowd erupted and there were a few high-fives. “I hope that’s it with the Cylon problem.” Let’s enjoy the day and see if we can’t raise the Galactica on the radio.”
Athena -who will you scan?
Six -Who will you scan?
Baltar - Who will you scan?
Cavil -who will you scan?
Apollo - who will you scan?
Starbuck -who will you protect?
Cylons - who will you kill?
#7 - will you detonate your bomb?
Leoben -who will you scan? Will you interrupt Starbuck?

[Unagi]

So who was purge's last scan? I bet it was Semaj.

No, I bet it was triggercut.

[Lassr]

Night/Day 6 & 7

Cylons kill Sean

You’ve lost two fellow warriors. Hopefully the attrition stops there. Sean has been proven human, he must be the next to die. Pr0ner is chosen for his first kill. He decides to use his weapon of choice. A sidearm he found hidden in a cabinet.
Pr0ner begins his walk to Sean’s room when they meet up in the hall. “Hey Pr0ner. Think we got them all?”
“Never know until the killing stops.”
“I see they gave you you’re sidearm back, ready to use it just in case we have more traitors or Cylons?”
“I’m ready to use it. Ready to lift it up like this,” You lift the gun toward Sean.
“Hey, Hey! Careful that thing might go…” The sidearm jumps in your hand as you finish your sentence, “and pull the trigger.”
You grab Sean’s feet and pull him into a corner behind a cart.

Sean dies

You survived. For a while there you thought for sure you were going to die at the hands of your fellow humans. Luckily the Austin scan proved you innocent. AS you round the corner you meet up with Pr0ner.
“Hey Pr0ner. Think we got them all?”
“Never know until the killing stops.”
“I see they gave you you’re sidearm back, ready to use it just in case we have more traitors or Cylons?”
“I’m ready to use it. Ready to lift it up like this,” Pr0ner raises the gun toward your face. Not funny you think.
“Hey, Hey! Careful that thing might go…” there’s a loud explosion and then blackness.

You are dead.


0915

People began arriving in the cafeteria as early as 0700 but other took their time. No one was in a hurry as they hoped the Cylon threat was dead. By 9:15 semaj noticed someone was missing, “Uh folks, I hope he’s just sleeping in but Sean is not here.”
Stessier looks around, “Yeah, let me go look.”

As stessier left everyone began to fear the worse. “Gods damn Cylons, Sean’s dead. I just know it.”
“Frack, I wanted to go home.”
“We’re not going anywhere until we know we’re safe.”
“If Sean is dead I think I’ll just scream.”

Moments later stessier returns with the news. “He’s fracking dead. Left dead in the hall stuffed behind a cart. There are still Cylons here.”

A scream erupts from the back of the room. Everyone looks at tru1cy. "Sorry tension break, had to be done."

Cylon #7 -will you plant a bomb?
Tory Foster -Who will you talk to?
Helo - Will you shoot?
Athena will you scan a known Cylon?

Who will be executed?
Majority is 6.

You have 12 hours. (Four real days + weekends).



1230

Semaj is drug off to the autopsy room screaming, “You fracking idiots, it’s not me! Kraegor has to be one of them. There’s not many of us left you are slowly dooming us to extinction.” The door shuts silencing his outburst.

Cylons kill Austin

As Austin escorted semaj to the Autopsy room everyone else went their separate ways as the waited. Triggercut heads toward the toilet and when no one was looking he darted back toward the autopsy room, picks up the firearm he had found earlier and walks in on Austin.
“What the frack are you doing here?” Austin asks.
“Just checking on the progress.”
Austin stops what he is doing and looks at triggercut.
“Why, did you doubt me?”
“Oh no, curiosity got the best of me.”
“Well, he looks to be human.”
“Ok good.”
“What? Good? He’s human!”
Triggercut pulls a gun from his waistband. “Good, we can get this over with quicker.” Triggercut fires and Austin takes several steps back as the blood patch spreads on his chest. He looks down and back and triggercut then collapses.

Austin

As you are probing semaj’s brain you are puzzled. “He has to be a Cylon but I don’t see a fracking chip.”
The door opens and triggercut walks in.

“What the frack are you doing here?” you ask.
“Just checking on the progress.”
You stop what you are doing and look at triggercut. Something’s not right.
“Why, did you doubt me?”
“Oh no, curiosity got the best of me.”
“Well, he looks to be human.”
“Ok good.”
“What? Good? He’s human!”
Triggercut pulls a gun from his waistband. “Good, we can get this over with quicker.” You feel the impact as it knocks you backwards a few steps. You look down and see your blood spreading out across your apron. You look back at triggercut and the world goes black.

1330

The few remaining survivors gather back in the cafeteria an hour later and wait for the results of the autopsy. 15 more minutes pass and still nothing. “It shouldn’t take this long.” Stessier says. “let me go see if there is a problem.”

1336

Stessier comes running into the cafetrai. “Austin is dead! Killed!”
“What?” Unagi asks in astonishment. “Who could have done it? Ok Where did each of you go when you left the cafeteria?”
Triggercut steps up. “I went to the head. Curious though, on the way I found this note in the hall from stessier.” He hands the note to stessier.
Stessier takes the note and opens it up and begins reading. “Oh yeah, I remember this from last week, I was noting how Purge as a Cylon was able to identify Remus West as Leoben because of the link between their brains. At the bottom I write how triggercut, using his investigative techniques will not be able to determine their true iden…” stessier stops and looks at triggercut, his eyes grow large. “How did you know Mr. Bubbles was Cavil, unless you are a…”
“Cylon.” Triggercut finishes the sentence and immediately pulls a firearm from his belt and points it at stessier. “A little too late now.” He pulls the trigger, the projectile slams into stessier chest and he collapses to the floor.
Pr0ner quickly steps up and pulls his sidearm from his holster and points it at triggercut and fires. The projectile flies past triggercuts head and catches Unagi in the face.

Kraegor grabs tru1cy and shoves him out the door of the cafeteria and begins running. “Run tru1cy! Here take this,” kraegor hands Tru1cy a small package. “it will come in handy.” Tru1cy takes the package and continues to run. Kraegor stops. After a long distance tru1cy notices kraegor has stopped. “Why’d you stop?” he yells.
“I need to get back but you enjoy your gift.”
Tru1cy looks down at the package and then he’s engulfed in an intense heat as the package explodes.
“I finally got to blow somebody up.” Kraegor states and returns to the cafeteria to introduce himself to his fellow Cylons.


Cylons win.

[Unagi]

So who was purge's last scan? I bet it was Semaj.

No, I bet it was triggercut.

ha, see. Purge is crazy - but he's no fool.

Well. one of those... or something.

[stessier]

My biggest problem was that I kept thinking that triggercut and stessier must have been in cahoots.

That was the biggest problem???

What about missing the fact that "Apollo" gave us a Cylons role?!?? Ok, we all missed it, but at least I asked the question that tripped him up.

By this point, I was depressed that there was no way to get you to not vote for Semaj.

Voting for Semaj was the deathblow, and I knew it.

Trust me - pointing out that slip would have convinced me. But yeah, I was a little one track at that point. I also knew you were 10, so you had that going for ya.


Okay, we have to start another game so I can forget this one (and, naturally, anything I might/should have learned).

[triggercut]

Well this is embarrassing. I didn't catch my own stupid mistake. If Semaj ended up as 7 I was going to tell everyone that my autopsy showed him as Six.

I think stessier would've caught on right then, because we were going to kill Austin next.

Yikes! I'm an idiot!

[Newcastle]

i wouldn't get too down on it though stessier, you had flashes of brilliance in this game. I think the cylons had quite a few lucky breaks, and the humans had some mis-steps (including my own protection of a cylon).

Anyone seen scoop.....we need to send the hug patrol out after him......he needs a few...

[Lassr]

Tory write up for the remainder of the game
You made your way around the room and talked to everyone. You noticed nothing unusual about these people, except for that Bakhtosh guy. A pervert and definitely human…Cylons didn’t have sex, did they? Once again, you’ve proven to be a failure. Just like at the University of Caprica. If you hadn’t of slept with so many professors you never would have received your degree. You are such a bitch and you really hated yourself for what you had become. If it hadn’t of been for the Cylon attack interrupting you from overdosing on sleeping pills you’d probably be dead right now. Whether it’s good or bad, you really owed your life to the Cylons.

the story behind this extra tidbit.

Unagi complained about having to be Tory because he and his wife absolutely hated her in the TV show. So I added this for his pleasure after his powers were used up.

[Kraegor]

Keeping Kraegor around is always a good idea in my book. He tends to rub people the wrong way.

what? you think that behavior is accidental? I don't spend time perfecting my tone? I don't put in effort to evoke a proper cascading reponse?

One thing you folks don't get. My style... keeps me alive!

Otherwise, I'd be priority kill bait just like Grund!

[Kraegor]

i wouldn't get too down on it though stessier, you had flashes of brilliance in this game. I think the cylons had quite a few lucky breaks, and the humans had some mis-steps (including my own protection of a cylon).

Anyone seen scoop.....we need to send the hug patrol out after him......he needs a few...

Looking at the swings of things... the cylons stayed a step ahead... but mainly because the humans were having trouble passing their sobriety test...

I'm not certain 10 is a good idea... the traitor concept does add a lot of spice... but that's a pretty heavy bat... how about add a time... 2 days... find 10 or the chip burns out and can't be converted... gives them a shot at the home run without making it a pivotal 5th day find or something.

otherwise.. game coulda gone either way, imo.

Once ya'll got zoomed in on the kill chain from purge... too much tunnel vision! Unagi started to get on the right path.. but he stopped questioning too quickly... same for stessier/austin.

I do think purge waiting for a 2nd cylon hit was a misstep. as it turns out he got the hit... but the cost was a miss ya'll couldn't afford.

 best lesson for all: No such thing as too paranoid. hah! 
 

[Unagi]

Trust me - pointing out that slip would have convinced me. But yeah, I was a little one track at that point. I also knew you were 10, so you had that going for ya.

How fast did you lay that vote down today? If I had more than one half morning to actually look into this - perhaps I would have.

The fact that you already had the trap made and setup - but then didn't even fraking check to see if anyone stepped in it just blows my mind.

Well done.

[stessier]

Trust me - pointing out that slip would have convinced me. But yeah, I was a little one track at that point. I also knew you were 10, so you had that going for ya.

How fast did you lay that vote down today? If I had more than one half morning to actually look into this - perhaps I would have.

The fact that you already had the trap made and setup - but then didn't even fraking check to see if anyone stepped in it just blows my mind.

Well done.

Hey, be kind. He made the slip yesterday when we killed Remus. We all had plenty of time to find it.

[Unagi]

Tory write up for the remainder of the game
You made your way around the room and talked to everyone. You noticed nothing unusual about these people, except for that Bakhtosh guy. A pervert and definitely human…Cylons didn’t have sex, did they? Once again, you’ve proven to be a failure. Just like at the University of Caprica. If you hadn’t of slept with so many professors you never would have received your degree. You are such a bitch and you really hated yourself for what you had become. If it hadn’t of been for the Cylon attack interrupting you from overdosing on sleeping pills you’d probably be dead right now. Whether it’s good or bad, you really owed your life to the Cylons.

the story behind this extra tidbit.

Unagi complained about having to be Tory because he and his wife absolutely hated her in the TV show. So I added this for his pleasure after his powers were used up.

Also, on the day we lynched Scoop.... When the count was final - but we hadn't had the write-up yet... In a series of PM's to Lassr I tried to pay him $100 to make Scoop #10 - in the event that Scoop was indeed human.

Man, I'm a dick.

Sadly, Lassr is a man of integrity and would only accept $300, no less.

[Kraegor]

heh stessier, yer 1 vote. Don't take the entire game on yer shoulders.

Remuscide is epitomized by the purposeful manipulation of the trusted in charge.
We don't have to sway everyone... peg the leader... the sheep follow...

[Lassr]

I'm not certain 10 is a good idea... the traitor concept does add a lot of spice... but that's a pretty heavy bat... how about add a time... 2 days... find 10 or the chip burns out and can't be converted... gives them a shot at the home run without making it a pivotal 5th day find or something.

I like the concept of 10 but it also has a lot of faults as a game piece. That said, I probably will not use 10 next time since he was actually activated in this game and the novelty is over.

If they had noticed triggercuts error they would have had 3 Cylons in a row and probably would have gotten you but pr0ner was not going to be caught I don't think.

[Mr Bubbles]

Keeping Kraegor around is always a good idea in my book. He tends to rub people the wrong way.

what? you think that behavior is accidental? I don't spend time perfecting my tone? I don't put in effort to evoke a proper cascading reponse?

One thing you folks don't get. My style... keeps me alive!

Otherwise, I'd be priority kill bait just like Grund!

Yeah but you leave behind a mass trail of suspicion. You tend to confuse people while trying to stay alive. Don't change Kraegor. Stay as sweet as ever.

[Unagi]

I'm not certain 10 is a good idea... the traitor concept does add a lot of spice... but that's a pretty heavy bat... how about add a time... 2 days... find 10 or the chip burns out and can't be converted... gives them a shot at the home run without making it a pivotal 5th day find or something.

(not just saying this because we lost)

But, i agree. I really felt the #10 thing was just a pinch too much in all of this. Perhaps some way to sorta curb that, as Kraegor describes is not a bad idea?


I also had an idea that Tory should also come with the ability to scan and 'turn off' (hardy har) Baltar in some way.
(and also, that Tory should be removed from the game and replaced with The Chief !! )


Also- i am sincerely interested Kraegor, did you actually feel that I should have done something different with the Bahktosh/Baltar thing ?

I really felt that sitting on that, or much worse, taking it to the grave, would have been a huge no-no.

[Lassr]

Don't be so hard on stess. Even if he noticed the error, pr0ner being 10 was the real nail in the coffin for the humans. That was one of the reasons that I wanted to change the rules to allow Athena to know if 10 is activated.

[Unagi]

If they had noticed triggercuts error they would have had 3 Cylons in a row and probably would have gotten you but pr0ner was not going to be caught I don't think.

I agree.

[Chaosraven]

Bastards killed me without even bothering to check if I was #10???

I hate you guys.

[Sean, Minister of KtSP]

If they had noticed triggercuts error they would have had 3 Cylons in a row and probably would have gotten you but pr0ner was not going to be caught I don't think.

This right here. Even if we'd picked off the rest of the cylons, pr0ner would likely have been our doom. I was impressed. When I got my kill PM, pr0ner as 10 was the best surprise I've had in a really long time. I laughed and applauded.

[Grundbegriff]

Nice work, Cylons.

Nice piece of work, stess!

[Newcastle]

Don't be so hard on stess. Even if he noticed the error, pr0ner being 10 was the real nail in the coffin for the humans. That was one of the reasons that I wanted to change the rules to allow Athena to know if 10 is activated.

It was an uphill climb for the humans once proner was converted, especially via the fact that he was helo.. I think athena knowing when it happened would be a nice counterbalance.......i think maybe even adding in the following - 10 can not be turned once athena is dead....if athena is alive...then 10 is active....kind of an interesting twist.

Once I died and saw the spoilers, saw the proner was 10...i immediatley though that if he was ever found...they'd pretty much have a win.

[Kraegor]

Keeping Kraegor around is always a good idea in my book. He tends to rub people the wrong way.

what? you think that behavior is accidental? I don't spend time perfecting my tone? I don't put in effort to evoke a proper cascading reponse?

One thing you folks don't get. My style... keeps me alive!

Otherwise, I'd be priority kill bait just like Grund!

Yeah but you leave behind a mass trail of suspicion. You tend to confuse people while trying to stay alive. Don't change Kraegor. Stay as sweet as ever.

I had angles/posts setup to spoof athena, apollo, baltar, or a specialist... I do this regardless of role. I almost came out as athena but I was away from the game too long and by the time I had checked the thread Remus had taken athena and trig was apollo already... so with options closed I sat back as civvie...

I confuse people? Most of the time I'm confused! I create scenarios... figure out if I can use 'em days later... Grund has deconstructed my plans before I even figured them out... by pulling random half assed unintentional clues I left behind... so yeah I was glad ya'll killed him early.

[Lassr]

I'm not certain 10 is a good idea... the traitor concept does add a lot of spice... but that's a pretty heavy bat... how about add a time... 2 days... find 10 or the chip burns out and can't be converted... gives them a shot at the home run without making it a pivotal 5th day find or something.

(not just saying this because we lost)

But, i agree. I really felt the #10 thing was just a pinch too much in all of this. Perhaps some way to sorta curb that, as Kraegor describes is not a bad idea?

.

I also agree. 10 was too much. The reason I added 10 to start with is to try and prevent any early outings. There are so many roles in my game that early outings can be detrimental to the Cylons in some games. So 10 was put in to make an early outing possibly meaningless if 10 is activated.

[Grundbegriff]

But at the same time I had a sneaking suspicion that grund was in fact apollo (due to his little "hillarious" quote).

How did you get Apollo from that - as I came to the exact opposite conclusion???

For the record, that quoted photo wasn't intended as a hint at all. I just found it hilarious.

[Lassr]

If they had noticed triggercuts error they would have had 3 Cylons in a row and probably would have gotten you but pr0ner was not going to be caught I don't think.

This right here. Even if we'd picked off the rest of the cylons, pr0ner would likely have been our doom. I was impressed. When I got my kill PM, pr0ner as 10 was the best surprise I've had in a really long time. I laughed and applauded.

glad to see someone got some enjoyment out of 10 besides the Cylons.

[Semaj]

My biggest problem was that I kept thinking that triggercut and stessier must have been in cahoots.

That was the biggest problem???

What about missing the fact that "Apollo" gave us a Cylons role?!?? Ok, we all missed it, but at least I asked the question that tripped him up.

By this point, I was depressed that there was no way to get you to not vote for Semaj.

Voting for Semaj was the deathblow, and I knew it.

So did I... which was why I just said end it now.

I figured either Stessier was #10 or just too stuck on one possible outcome. I knew Kraegor was a Toaster tho... My real problem is I would have been down for killing Triggercut for one cylon, but the second one... that would have been tough.

[Lassr]

But at the same time I had a sneaking suspicion that grund was in fact apollo (due to his little "hillarious" quote).

How did you get Apollo from that - as I came to the exact opposite conclusion???

For the record, that quoted photo wasn't intended as a hint at all. I just found it hilarious.

Ha! What a funny coincidence then!

[Kraegor]

Also- i am sincerely interested Kraegor, did you actually feel that I should have done something different with the Bahktosh/Baltar thing ?

I really felt that sitting on that, or much worse, taking it to the grave, would have been a huge no-no.

My analysis was genuine, heh. I don't lie if I don't have to

Your position for scanning is valid. But it's a worst case solution. You were MAKING Baltar bad. Should know better than to cock-block a man chasing some ass.

Baltar is a threat. TO BOTH SIDES. The game piece imo should be played (by the human team)... not avoided.
Burning days finding Baltar... that's days where someone is gonna leave behind a trail...

Force Baltar to expose his team... not himself... we don't want to see Baltar's self... we want his ATF. Baltar was bait... you never used...

By clearing the air early... you wiped all fingerprints from the Baltar search. zip nada damn thing to work with. thus negated tory and wasted a day kill on Baltar at a time we (err they...) needed more intel.

as for "how I would approach it" -- Pretty much what trig said earlier in the game... watch Baltar... see who he interacts with and watch how it changes... I woulda sat on the scan for as long as I thought I was not under pressure... in this game... I did not sense pressure until night 3 (which is why i blew the bomb). so day 4 woulda been my reveal... tho I would have come forward at any time major reveals were occurring... mighta come out when stessier did and also forced a mass outing as well... why? well... get all the roles in the "open"... then cross match baltar's behavior with the open list to find cracks...

Would any of this work? /shrug. depends on Baltar and how accurate we interpret the data at the time.

I'm not saying my way would "work better". I just think it's got more potential.
Yours was the safe play. Safe=minimal potential.

of course... I've tried for the homerun before and ended up looking like a horse's ass... so YMMV

[stessier]

I figured either Stessier was #10 or just too stuck on one possible outcome.

Is it any salve to think that at least I still can't read you?

glad to see someone got some enjoyment out of 10 besides the Cylons.

I actually don't mind 10. I'd like to see how it would work, though, if his conversion was handled like Baltar's in that it was announced the morning of to the whole crew.

But you'd need a pretty big game to use 10 again - or cut down on the number of originals. 2 conversions and a random kill are a lot of misses we lose.

[Grundbegriff]

Ha! What a funny coincidence then!

This was the one and only hint I left. It was obscure, though not quite as obscure as triggercut's baseball stats clue from last year.

[Unagi]

But at the same time I had a sneaking suspicion that grund was in fact apollo (due to his little "hillarious" quote).

How did you get Apollo from that - as I came to the exact opposite conclusion???

For the record, that quoted photo wasn't intended as a hint at all. I just found it hilarious.

See !?

• And here, Grund laughs at a picture of Civilians out of proportion to their actual comedic value (nothing personal Lassr).

I absolutely disargree.

First, I don't see Grund finding ANY value in dropping hints or crumbs that he was a Civilian. (I could be wrong) - However, I also feel that picture is hillarious, and Grund gave it due credit.

[Remus West]

I'd like to point out my pronoun observation was dead on, as Triggercut knew Starbuck's identity by that point.

I wouldn't trust that for future. I go back and forth between pronouns all the time and I know a lot of other players do too.

[Remus West]

I almost came out as Athena the day Brendan got lynched. Had I done that I would have named purge Cylon. Wish I would have as that would have been a funny bit and kept Bubbles alive.

[Lassr]

I figured either Stessier was #10 or just too stuck on one possible outcome.

Is it any salve to think that at least I still can't read you?

glad to see someone got some enjoyment out of 10 besides the Cylons.

I actually don't mind 10. I'd like to see how it would work, though, if his conversion was handled like Baltar's in that it was announced the morning of to the whole crew.

But you'd need a pretty big game to use 10 again - or cut down on the number of originals. 2 conversions and a random kill are a lot of misses we lose.

When we got 20 I miscalculated the needs of the Cylons. I added Leoben, I added the night kill if 7 is found. Too much. Should have left Leoben in my ideas book and left the 7 kill rule along. But I hadn't had a game with this many so...lesson learned.
Cylons would get an advantage if they found one of the hiddens (Baltar or 10). Unagi found Baltar for them so not huge hurt there except a missed lynch of a possible Cylon. Finding them both was huge advantage.

I had many other ideas for the game. One included a 3rd side of Zarek and Felix that would recruit players for a mutiny but I couldn't get it how I'd like it so it was scraped. I had a role of Chief Tyrol (can't remember his power right now) and Ellen. But they all got put to the side and I went back to my previous game with a few tweaks.

[Remus West]

Bastards killed me without even bothering to check if I was #10???

I hate you guys.

[Unagi]

I'd like to point out my pronoun observation was dead on, as Triggercut knew Starbuck's identity by that point.

I wouldn't trust that for future. I go back and forth between pronouns all the time and I know a lot of other players do too.

I also didn't see it as bad, as ANYONE (but my cute self) is safe to be just simply labled "he" from time to time.
Also - I wasn't sure if triggercut ever saw the new series - and Starbuck was indeed a dude in the first one.

I highly doubt that 'he' was actually a slip, personally.

[Remus West]

BTW, without #10 there is nothing to keep the human side from doing a mass reveal day 1 and having a lockdown on where the potential Cylons are. You would either need to reduce the number of powered humans or increase the pool of unpowereds imo.