Lynching Liaisons - The End

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:04 am

stess, Lagom's dead; RMC's still in the game.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:08 am

LordMortis wrote:I will also add that I've never lost as a bad guy and the only games I've ever made it to the end good or bad have been as a wolf and the MiB.

Check that. I made to the last day as I good guy once and we won I ended up voting for the guy I didn't think was a wolf and he was. My memory of the game is almost non existent though.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:45 am

RMC wrote:
Lassr - <sigh> He is awesome, and I think he is good, but in all reality he is so good at this, that he might be a good lynch just to ensure he is not the last wolf.

Quit buttering me up. I appreciate the compliments but man it reminds me off wolves in the past trying to get on my good side so I would not vote for them in the late game.

Unagi - My gut feeling he is the last wolf, but my gut is almost always wrong.

I find Unagi to also be awesome and one of the reasons I want to make sure he is not the last wolf.

LordMortis - I don't recall playing too many of these games with LM, but he has been out in the open all game. I guess he could be a wolf, but it just seems wrong to me. We got a wolf quickly, and it would have seemed with Remus's play, that other wolves would have tried to hide at least a little.

LM has answered about his being a wolf but I cannot recall how he acted. I remember the Lost game but no details about it. It was played at Popehat during the great OO breakdown. MY having him high on the list was also because of some posts from the early game. Remus mentioned him in a few posts. His posts feel very human though but that could just be the perfect hiding spot for a wolf.

Scoop - Very little to go on, but with someone posing as the seer in the wolf camp, I would almost always see Scoop wanting that role. He loves doing that as a wolf. Of course, with Remus doing the posing, then maybe Scoop hiding is how scoop wolf would have to play after the earlier deception.

Scoop has not being his nervous wolfish self. He has laid low. This may be his new defense mechanism as a wolf and if it is then it will be noted for future games.

theohall - Hmm.. I guess I have not really considered him to be a wolf at all this game. Go figure, I almost always think he is a wolf.

uh, he is the sole survivor of the cabal.

Vorret - I have not gotten a bad vibe on him lately, so I guess I will put him in my trending good.

early game I felt he had some wolfish posts and that is why he is on my list but no as much recently.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:46 am

I should have proof read before posting that...please ignore all misspellings...

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:47 am

Crazy thoughts time :

First night : BB Scans Purge (he was voting for him on D1)
Second night : BB Scans Scoop (he was voting for him on D2)

Maybe he was "signaling" wolf with his 2 votes in case he died.

End of crazy thoughts

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:57 am

Vorret wrote:Crazy thoughts time :

First night : BB Scans Purge (he was voting for him on D1)
Second night : BB Scans Scoop (he was voting for him on D2)

Maybe he was "signaling" wolf with his 2 votes in case he died.

End of crazy thoughts

he would have had zero reasons not to come forward when he would have caught Remus as the 3rd wolf unless he was very very very very very very greedy and wanted that 4th one...

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:01 am

Lassr wrote:
Vorret wrote:Crazy thoughts time :

First night : BB Scans Purge (he was voting for him on D1)
Second night : BB Scans Scoop (he was voting for him on D2)

Maybe he was "signaling" wolf with his 2 votes in case he died.

End of crazy thoughts
he would have had zero reasons not to come forward when he would have caught Remus as the 3rd wolf unless he was very very very very very very greedy and wanted that 4th one...

Very good point, didn't think of that.
Carry on then, it was a crazy thought

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:12 am

I've changed my mind.

Withdraw Unagi

RMC

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:32 am

redrun wrote:I've changed my mind.

Withdraw Unagi

RMC

hehe... Guess my summary switched your mind. Like I have said, I am a good lynch as there are things that a wolf can use to hide around. But not a wolf.

We have the miss, so I am not worried that we will lose if you kill me.

And umm... Guess I now know why I thought Theo was innocent, he is a proven...<sigh>

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:36 am

You know darned well I'm going to follow you and I don't like it all. While RMC is my preferred choice (mainly because I hate to keep shifting and right now I don't like nearly no one), if he's human then we're stuck going back to me and Unagi tomorrow and that is way too many passes for way too many players.

I'm stuck in this mindset that we are going to miss today and that I'm shooting for least damning miss rather than most wolfy, if that makes sense.

As I mentioned above, I don't make it to the end. That's almost a given. And I like the idea of Unagi being on the hotseat before we get down to the last two days.

Of course if RMC is wolf...

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:20 am

RMC is way too calm to be a wolf.
He's on the brink of death and he's just... casual.

Well it's either that or he's hoping we give up because he doesn't seem to care whether he lives or dies.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:38 am

LordMortis wrote:if he's human then we're stuck going back to me and Unagi tomorrow

Why is that?

I'm still feeling that RMC or Vorret are the best chances of wolfitude at this point. My Scoop and Lassr concern has gone up a bit. You are pretty 'steady', with moments of great odor... I'm not taking pr0ner off my radar, but I wont entertain testing him over anyone else, at this point.

RMC

mostly from his big wiggle on the purge vote, and the deleted post with RMC in it.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:49 am

Unagi wrote:Why is that?

Because you and me is primarily where we've been today up until RMC and nothing has really changed. I suppose things could change tomorrow but I don't see how. So I guess the question for me would be "why is that not?" What changes tomorrow if we lynch RMC and he's human?

Again, from my feeling (one where I don't have wolf even a little pegged and where RMC would actually be my first choice for consistency from yesterday, where the game hasn't really changed much) removing you and me from the equation changes the signal and noise in the game and if you are a wolf, so much the better. I'm even willing to go first.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:49 am

Vorret wrote:RMC is way too calm to be a wolf.
He's on the brink of death and he's just... casual.

Well it's either that or he's hoping we give up because he doesn't seem to care whether he lives or dies.

If I was the wolf, I think I would put up something. As once we lynch the wolf it is over and we win. Usually Unagi picks up on these things as well. Hmmm... Really makes me want to say he is the final wolf. But I think if Unagi was the wolf, he would want someone like me around till the end. That way, he could convince others that I was the wolf in a smaller group. But maybe this is just a good time to push for me.. Gah.. He has to be the final wolf.

But I guess Unagi being at 3 votes, now 2 with the redrun switch, would not really be a time to panic... And I only have 2 votes on me, so I don't think I am on the brink of death yet either as Vorret says above.

Heck I was closer the last lynch.

So to back up my thoughts, which puts him at 3 votes again:

Unagi

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:51 am

And Lassr, I kind of implied you should be one of the next lynches because you are so good. Not really buttering you up to vote/not vote. Just letting everyone know that you might be a liability as we narrow down the pool if you are the final wolf.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:23 pm

RMC wrote:But I guess Unagi being at 3 votes, now 2 with the redrun switch, would not really be a time to panic...

Yeah, well I was at N-1 with both you and Vorret still pending votes. You got to see what I did with my pending death - I pushed for you to be tested.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:49 pm

Unagi wrote:Yeah, well I was at N-1 with both you and Vorret still pending votes. You got to see what I did with my pending death - I pushed for you to be tested.

It looked like at N-1, Scoop finally decided to make an appearance, went after me, and you jumped on. I am missing where you went after RMC.

Unagi wrote:yeah, I'll do that.

Lord Mortis

At the day's outset you did say RMC was the best test though.

Unagi wrote:Lassr, what makes me feel best (about you) is that you 'want to test me next', because it is indeed still early "enough" - and I'd like to think you would think this wouldn't serve you well as a wolf. But clearly the wolf would love for me to be lynched, and I feel like you just keep drumming it up.

I think RMC is our best test, still.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:02 pm

Well, you are right I wasn't actually at N-1 yet (N-2), but this was when the 2nd proven player (redrun) came in and said that he wanted to test me. I considered that a 'blessing' from the trusted and it was a done deal.

What you are missing is my farewell post. I suggested you guys test RMC or Vorret.

Unagi wrote:well, you guys are indeed wrong, but test away.

RMC and Vorret are my top two.
LM sorta seems to be watching it unfold, not sure...
Scoop, same... not really sure.
Can't imagine Lassr would have pushed it as the last wolf like this, so he's low. pr0ner is almost absolutely human.

Then Scoop came in and didn't "scoop" me (as you seemed to suggest would happen) - but instead voted for you. You were not my first choice, but given the choice of "LM" or the rope, I would test you 100 times.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:13 pm

Unagi wrote:Then Scoop came in and didn't "scoop" me (as you seemed to suggest would happen) - but instead voted for you. You were not my first choice, but given the choice of "LM" or the rope, I would test you 100 times.

What I suggested was that putting you at N-1 would direct the train at me while we waited for scoop. Scoop just decided to be the engineer.

And I understand you would test me 100 times and I am good with that. I am also good with you being the center of attention after I am gone. Remember, neither one of us wanted to be alive when it came down to it. Now is the time to make that commitment. In two days, we will be down to it. So now would be the time for both of us check out and let the conversation turn else where.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:20 pm

Unagi wrote:Well, you are right I wasn't actually at N-1 yet (N-2), but this was when the 2nd proven player (redrun) came in and said that he wanted to test me. I considered that a 'blessing' from the trusted and it was a done deal.

What you are missing is my farewell post. I suggested you guys test RMC or Vorret.

Unagi wrote:well, you guys are indeed wrong, but test away.

RMC and Vorret are my top two.
LM sorta seems to be watching it unfold, not sure...
Scoop, same... not really sure.
Can't imagine Lassr would have pushed it as the last wolf like this, so he's low. pr0ner is almost absolutely human.
Then Scoop came in and didn't "scoop" me (as you seemed to suggest would happen) - but instead voted for you. You were not my first choice, but given the choice of "LM" or the rope, I would test you 100 times.

I missed that! That was great, while it does not unwolf you, it does lessen the scoopwolf probability.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:24 pm

good :
theo
redrun

imo good :

pr0ner
scoop

confused :
Vorret

doubt wolf but unsure :
LM
RMC

That leaves... kinda defaulted there
Lassr

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:44 pm

Vorret wrote:
Unagi wrote:Well, you are right I wasn't actually at N-1 yet (N-2), but this was when the 2nd proven player (redrun) came in and said that he wanted to test me. I considered that a 'blessing' from the trusted and it was a done deal.

What you are missing is my farewell post. I suggested you guys test RMC or Vorret.

Unagi wrote:well, you guys are indeed wrong, but test away.

RMC and Vorret are my top two.
LM sorta seems to be watching it unfold, not sure...
Scoop, same... not really sure.
Can't imagine Lassr would have pushed it as the last wolf like this, so he's low. pr0ner is almost absolutely human.
Then Scoop came in and didn't "scoop" me (as you seemed to suggest would happen) - but instead voted for you. You were not my first choice, but given the choice of "LM" or the rope, I would test you 100 times.
I missed that! That was great, while it does not unwolf you, it does lessen the scoopwolf probability.

HA HA! Just what I wanted you to think!

Really, I just didn't feel the run up to Unagi's vote and I wanted to see if I could point in a different direction and see who was eager to jump on early.

LM just looks his normal self to me including his reaction to the short bandwagon on him here.

remove Lord Mortis

Here is my problem. I was CONFIDENT Grund was the final wolf. I was wrong. How can I be confident in a vote so soon afterwards?

My faith in votes is low right now. I don't want to be a follower either. I'll throw a dart again later tonight but I'm not voting LM, Lassr, or pr0ner.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:41 am

Unagi wrote:mostly from his big wiggle on the purge vote, and the deleted post with RMC in it.

It would kind of suck if this is what gave him away.

Accuse RMC

Ok, lets make this happen, guys. I got a tee time at Muirfield tomorrow.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:12 am

Scoop20906 wrote:
Unagi wrote:mostly from his big wiggle on the purge vote, and the deleted post with RMC in it.
It would kind of suck if this is what gave him away.

Accuse RMC

Ok, lets make this happen, guys. I got a tee time at Muirfield tomorrow.

hehe..The deleted post seems to be what everyone wants to go back too. I am not a wolf, and it looks like purge might get the last laugh with a questionable play (if it was intentional.) <shrug>

But I would suggest Unagi and maybe Lassr or Scoop for my top three suspects.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:25 am

I have no idea why Unagi keeps focusing on Vorret. It is darn clear Remus West wanted us to kill Vorret for some reason. Heck, so has Lord Mortis. We know Remus West was a wolf.

I see Lassr, Scoop, and RMC, pretty much not gunning for Vorret in their posts. This, in combination with Remus West's posts, points me to Unagi or Lord Mortis as the last wolf, in spite of how helpful both appear. I know, I as the last wolf, did my best to appear helpful, and it worked in earning a wolf victory. Not LM or Unagi, then Lassr.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:49 am

I am also fairly certain an early voter against bb2112 was a wolf, which means Lord Mortis, Unagi, or Lassr is a wolf.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:35 am

I can vote for Lassr.

In fact, I will.

Lassr

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:51 am

pr0ner wrote:I can vote for Lassr.

In fact, I will.

Lassr

Can't argue with that, it's an excellent vote, just don't be disappointed when you have to vote again the next day.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:52 am

Theohalll, I'll write more when I get to work regarding Vorret.

One thing I just want to say is that one of your main WW weaknesses is that you automatically think anyone that doesn't think like you is a wolf.

Regarding Remus and Vorret, do you think Remus expected us to Lynch his 'target', or get counter claimed; and hence we would all say "whew.... Good thing we didn't follow his advise and kill Vorret. Nice try!" And then we would all pretty much 'clear' Vorret.
Remus MUST have expected to be counter claimed. I conclude that his angling on Vorret was designed to make Votret look like he narrowly avoided being lynched via Remus' insistence.

I think you are looking at Remus as if he thought he was going to go uncontested for some stretch of time, there is no way they would have banked on that.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:03 am

Vorret wrote:good :
theo
redrun

imo good :

pr0ner
scoop

confused :
Vorret

doubt wolf but unsure :
LM
RMC

That leaves... kinda defaulted there
Lassr

you forgot Unagi.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:11 am

Day 6 Vote Count

Spoiler:

Votes required for lynch - 5

Aginst Unagi (3) - Lassr, LordMortis, RMC
Against RMC (3) - redrun, Unagi, Scoop
Against Lassr (2) - Vorret, pr0ner
Against LordMortis (1) - theohall

No votes (0) -

There are 8 villagers + 1 wolf alive. The deadline for the lynch vote is July 12th at 1pm Eastern time.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:12 am

Unagi wrote:Theohalll, I'll write more when I get to work regarding Vorret.

One thing I just want to say is that one of your main WW weaknesses is that you automatically think anyone that doesn't think like you is a wolf.

Regarding Remus and Vorret, do you think Remus expected us to Lynch his 'target', or get counter claimed; and hence we would all say "whew.... Good thing we didn't follow his advise and kill Vorret. Nice try!" And then we would all pretty much 'clear' Vorret.
Remus MUST have expected to be counter claimed. I conclude that his angling on Vorret was designed to make Votret look like he narrowly avoided being lynched via Remus' insistence.

I think you are looking at Remus as if he thought he was going to go uncontested for some stretch of time, there is no way they would have banked on that.

The Unagi train has died and as I have said a good Unagi is a benefit to the village. I'm willing to test Unagi's theory but I pause because above vorret could have added another vote to Unagi or LM (both had 3 votes I believe) but chose me instead.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:16 am

The good news is every one is chiming in.

For my own clarity:

Against Unagi (3) - Lassr, LordMortis, RMC
Against LordMortis (1) - theohall
Against RMC (2) - redrun, Unagi
Against Lassr (3) - Vorret, Scoop, pr0ner

I'm pretty happy with the field... Which is probably a bad sign...

Remus MUST have expected to be counter claimed.

I haven't figured out what to conclude from this but I expect that Remus must have expected to be counter claimed as well. I would think there is something to be learned Remus' unexpected continued life up until LL revealed Remus to be a wolf. I just don't know what that something is.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:26 am

Scoop is voting for RMC, not Lassr.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:27 am

stessier wrote:Day 6 Vote Count

Spoiler:
LordMortis acc RMC (1)
theohall acc Unagi (1)
Vorret acc pr0ner (1)
Vorret wd pr0ner (0)

Lassr acc Unagi (2)
redrun acc Unagi (3)
LordMortis wd RMC (0)

LordMortis acc Unagi (4)
Scoop acc LordMortis (1)
Unagi acc LordMortis (2)
theohall wd Unagi (3)

theohall acc LordMortis (3)
redrun wd Unagi (2)

redrun acc RMC (1)
Unagi wd LordMortis (2)

Unagi acc RMC (2)

RMC acc Unagi (3)

Vorret acc Lassr (1)
Scoop wd LordMortis (1)

Scoop acc RMC (3)

pr0ner acc Lassr (2)
Votes required for lynch - 5

Aginst Unagi (3) - Lassr, LordMortis, RMC
Against RMC (3) - redrun, Unagi, Scoop
Against Lassr (2) - Vorret, pr0ner
Against LordMortis (1) - theohall

No votes (0) -

There are 8 villagers + 1 wolf alive. The deadline for the lynch vote is July 12th at 1pm Eastern time.

Or while I'm going back, Stess will post...

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:31 am

pr0ner wrote:Scoop is voting for RMC, not Lassr.

I see and it matters not any way stess posted while I was going over since Stess' last post.

I'm still pretty happy with the field as it doesn't really change much.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:34 am

Unagi wrote:Theohalll, I'll write more when I get to work regarding Vorret.

One thing I just want to say is that one of your main WW weaknesses is that you automatically think anyone that doesn't think like you is a wolf.

Regarding Remus and Vorret, do you think Remus expected us to Lynch his 'target', or get counter claimed; and hence we would all say "whew.... Good thing we didn't follow his advise and kill Vorret. Nice try!" And then we would all pretty much 'clear' Vorret.
Remus MUST have expected to be counter claimed. I conclude that his angling on Vorret was designed to make Votret look like he narrowly avoided being lynched via Remus' insistence.

I think you are looking at Remus as if he thought he was going to go uncontested for some stretch of time, there is no way they would have banked on that.

I'm fairly certain that Remus, of all people, was the most surprised when:

A) He went uncontested for so long
B) When we learned that BB was the seer and let himself get lynched without giving us any info
C) Let every other special out themselves, including the medium who is the only person who could have contacted him after he died

So yeah, sure, he could have said that I was a target to remove doubt from me as much as he could have put 1 or more wolves in his scan list.

Let's be honest here, we're ALL targets except the 2 proven that are left. Some have had more attention than others and in 2 days we're going to be left with only unproven which will complicate things even more.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:35 am

Lassr wrote:
Vorret wrote:good :
theo
redrun

imo good :

pr0ner
scoop

confused :
Vorret

doubt wolf but unsure :
LM
RMC

That leaves... kinda defaulted there
Lassr

you forgot Unagi.

Indeed, he's supposed to be in "doubt wolf but unsure".

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:18 pm

withdraw Lord Mortis

Unagi

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:06 pm

theohall wrote: withdraw Lord Mortis

Unagi

Any other final words before the writeup Unagi?