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Jaymann wrote:You can't deny that Trump has locked up the white bigot/racist trailer trash vote. But that wasn't enough to stop Obama from being elected to two terms. It is possibly enough to carry Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Utah and Nevada.

The thing is, while racism may be driving a significant portion of Trump's success, I think it's moved well beyond that. I think people are supporting him because of emotions. How his attritude and personality (not to mention his success so far) is making them feel, rather than anything specific he's said.

Hispanics

Trump wrote:We won with young. We won with old. We won with highly educated. We won with poorly educated. I love the poorly educated. We’re the smartest people, we’re the most loyal people, and you know what I’m happy about? Because I’ve been saying it for a long time. 46% were the Hispanics—46%, number one with Hispanics. I’m really happy about that.

Trump's crowing that because he won 46 percent of the Latino vote that Hispanics across this country love him?

...I'm not sure he understands this whole voting thing. Well, that and statistics.

hepcat wrote: ...I'm not sure he understands this whole voting thing.

To be fair it was a caucus and from all accounts a poorly run one at that - so in this particular state I don't think anyone understands the whole voting thing.

Christ, yes. Those photos of poll workers wearing Trump campaign shirts was a bit shocking.

Jaymann wrote:You can't deny that Trump has locked up the white bigot/racist trailer trash vote. But that wasn't enough to stop Obama from being elected to two terms. It is possibly enough to carry Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky, Utah and Nevada.

However, he has alienated:
Women
Hispanics
Muslims
Sane people

A freshman intern on the Clinton staff could put together a 15 second montage of Trump hate speech, then cut to Hillary hugging some rainbow coalition members.

[Trent Steel] No Chance! NO CHANCE! [/Trent Steel]

I found this storify on Trump's slim chances in the general reassuring: link.

From that link, this will be the deciding factor, methinks:

There will be a chunk of GOP electorate who think Trump is unfit to be president. They might not vote for Clinton but could stay home.

hepcat wrote:Trump's crowing that because he won 46 percent of the Latino vote that Hispanics across this country love him?

...I'm not sure he understands this whole voting thing. Well, that and statistics.

The Hispanic portion of the caucus participants was 8%. Hispanic population of the state is 19.7%.

He also loves the poorly educated.

YellowKing wrote:

Kurth wrote:I'm pretty sure there's no way Trump can win.

That's what people were saying months ago, and now he's cruising to the nomination.

I would not underestimate him. This nomination has shown that there is an extremely angry electorate out there right now that are sick of DC - Democrats and Republicans alike. When it comes down to choosing four -if not eight- more years of Clinton, and a total Washington outsider, you could see voters across the political spectrum jump on the Trump train.

Common sense is out the window right now - I haven't seen anything yet that leads me to believe that Trump's antics are going to do him in. If anything, they have just made him more powerful. This is a Sanjay from American Idol moment.

I have to believe that when the general election rolls around enough independents will show up to make sure Trump doesn't get into the Oval Office.

In a discussion with my wife this morning, my position was pretty similar to Rip's. If he gets in the office, there is enough process involved in getting anything done that nothing truly outrageous (if he even tries the whacky things he says he'll do) will make it through. He's not going to burn down the country in 4 years (or 8 years).

If Trump gets into the Oval Office, I can't help but think my personal opinion of the American people will slip a few pegs. Of course that doesn't matter to anyone but me, but my respect for the country as a whole will drop. This is not the American people voting for someone who I disagree with, it's the American people voting for clown who revels in some of the worst qualities of humanity. As the doonsbury cartoon pointed out, he's a bad person. Objectively. And while sometimes you need bad people to do things that good people can't do, President of the most powerful country in the world is not one of those things.

I believe that the independents are going to step up when the time comes, and outvote the bigots, the disenfranchised, the angry and the ignorant.

We'll see. No matter what happens, he's already made it farther than ANYONE but the most insane thought he would. Great.

If your opinion slips that far, you may have to move to Quebec.

GreenGoo wrote:
If Trump gets into the Oval Office, I can't help but think my personal opinion of the American people will slip a few pegs. Of course that doesn't matter to anyone but me, but my respect for the country as a whole will drop. This is not the American people voting for someone who I disagree with, it's the American people voting for clown who revels in some of the worst qualities of humanity. As the doonsbury cartoon pointed out, he's a bad person. Objectively. And while sometimes you need bad people to do things that good people can't do, President of the most powerful country in the world is not one of those things.

We'll lose the respect of the rest of the world ( what little of it we have left) and that's the real long-term damage of a Trump victory.

tgb wrote:

GreenGoo wrote:
If Trump gets into the Oval Office, I can't help but think my personal opinion of the American people will slip a few pegs. Of course that doesn't matter to anyone but me, but my respect for the country as a whole will drop. This is not the American people voting for someone who I disagree with, it's the American people voting for clown who revels in some of the worst qualities of humanity. As the doonsbury cartoon pointed out, he's a bad person. Objectively. And while sometimes you need bad people to do things that good people can't do, President of the most powerful country in the world is not one of those things.

We'll lose the respect of the rest of the world ( what little of it we have left) and that's the real long-term damage of a Trump victory.

That, and a President Trump would make for some tremendous ISIS / Al Qaeda recruiting videos. They've been arguing for decades that the U.S. is locked into a war with Islam, and here would be Americans electing a president who says, "Yup, we sure are." That could have some negative consequences.

Isgrimnur wrote:If your opinion slips that far, you may have to move to Quebec.

I realize it's trite and stereotypical to say this sort of thing, but good lord man...

Before this election I didn't hate Trump any more than any other shyster and/or tv personality. He's just one of many people doing things and behaving in ways that I find obnoxious and offputting. Even his announcement to run didn't affect my opinion of him much. He's a giant blowhard and buffoon, so I expect that sort of thing.

It's only now that he is almost guaranteed to be one of two candidates for the presidency of the USofA that my blood has really started to boil. Which is weird, because Trump hasn't changed, so why have my feelings about the guy changed? Who I really should hate is everyone supporting him. Hating that many people makes me sad.

And like I said, this isn't Romney or Bush or any other Rep that I might have indifferent feelings about in terms of their policies or whatever. I dislike Trump as a human being. His "policies" are so outlandish that even addressing them seems asinine, and this coming from someone who regularly engages Rip.

Isgrimnur wrote: He also loves the poorly educated.

Also known as "his base."

Defiant wrote:Some of the highlights from Trump's Victory Speech

It’s hard for me to turn down money because that’s what I’ve done in my whole life, I grab and grab and grab. You know I get greedy I want money, money.
I’ll tell you what we’re going to do, right? We get greedy right? Now we’re going to get greedy for the United States we’re going to grab and grab and grab. We’re going to bring in so much money and so much everything. We’re going to make America great again, folks, I’m telling you folks we’re going to make America great again.

We have a trade deficit with Mexico. They’ll pay for the wall. They’ll be very happy about it. Believe me. I’ll talk to them. They’re going to be very, very thrilled. They’re going to be thrilled to be paying for the wall.

Trump is very good at saying what the far right wants to hear. But there is absolutely no substance to what he is saying. Every one of his speeches are fluff. The wall is a great example, we are just supposed to take his word for it that Mexico will be thrilled to build a wall. This is complete and total bullshit. The list of Trump topics could go on, but none of them have a chance in hell of actually happening.

Captain Caveman wrote:

Jaymann wrote:You can't deny that Trump has locked up the white bigot/racist trailer trash vote. But that wasn't enough to stop Obama from being elected to two terms. It is possibly enough to carry Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky, Utah and Nevada.

However, he has alienated:
Women
Hispanics
Muslims
Sane people

A freshman intern on the Clinton staff could put together a 15 second montage of Trump hate speech, then cut to Hillary hugging some rainbow coalition members.

[Trent Steel] No Chance! NO CHANCE! [/Trent Steel]

I found this storify on Trump's slim chances in the general reassuring: link.

Yeah, I would be a little nervous with Trump getting so close to the presidency if he's the nominee (what if there's a big market crash in late October 2016??). BUT his general election chances would be really slim. The vast majority of people are partisan voters even if they describe themselves as independent (even if that partisanship sometimes is more in the form of voting against the other party). Trump is (a) unlikely to play well with the small group of actual independent voters; and (b) is good insurance against one of the major risks otherwise facing democrats in this election - the danger that minority vote will drop off from Obama levels.

GreenGoo wrote:

Isgrimnur wrote:If your opinion slips that far, you may have to move to Quebec.

I realize it's trite and stereotypical to say this sort of thing, but good lord man...

Before this election I didn't hate Trump any more than any other shyst

I forgot the smiley. It was meant tongue-in-cheek.

"You know what I really am happy about, because I've been saying it for a long time," Trump told supporters in his victory speech early Wednesday. "46 percent with the Hispanics ... number one with Hispanics!"

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02 ... anics.html

It helps if you read upthread, rip.

Isgrimnur wrote:

hepcat wrote:Trump's crowing that because he won 46 percent of the Latino vote that Hispanics across this country love him?

...I'm not sure he understands this whole voting thing. Well, that and statistics.

The Hispanic portion of the caucus participants was 8%. Hispanic population of the state is 19.7%.

He also loves the poorly educated.

Scraper wrote: Trump is very good at saying what the far right wants to hear. But there is absolutely no substance to what he is saying. Every one of his speeches are fluff. The wall is a great example, we are just supposed to take his word for it that Mexico will be thrilled to build a wall. This is complete and total bullshit. The list of Trump topics could go on, but none of them have a chance in hell of actually happening.

He's pandering to those too stupid to understand any sort of policy detail in the first place. Trumps response to every challenge is an ad hominem counterattack. Hopefully Hillary will be able to call attention to this. I'm kind of surprised some super pacs already aren't floating this message out there, unattached to any Democratic candidate.

I'm slow and half asleep.

Maybe I should just do it the easy way.

Trump is great with ____________

_______ people love Trump.

Rip wrote:I'm slow and half asleep.

Maybe I should just do it the easy way.

Trump is great with Rip.

Rip's people love Trump.

Done! What do I win?

hepcat wrote:

Rip wrote:I'm slow and half asleep.

Maybe I should just do it the easy way.

Trump is great with Rip.

Rip's people love Trump.

Done! What do I win?

That is the thing. Everyone wins.

No matter who you type in it works and we all win......America back.

Rip wrote:
......America back to the depression.

You hit the post button before finishing your reply.

I just heard Brian Kilmeade on Fox News Radio and his panel convince themselves that Trump would snipe a large number of independents and even democrats from Hillary.

That's why I listen every morning. Their delusions make me laugh.

Isgrimnur wrote:

GreenGoo wrote:

Isgrimnur wrote:If your opinion slips that far, you may have to move to Quebec.

I realize it's trite and stereotypical to say this sort of thing, but good lord man...

Before this election I didn't hate Trump any more than any other shyst

I forgot the smiley. It was meant tongue-in-cheek.

No, I was aware of the tone of your comment, I just feel kinda crappy about the whole thing.

msteelers wrote:I just heard Brian Kilmeade on Fox News Radio and his panel convince themselves that Trump would snipe a large number of informants and even democrats from Hillary.

He has ways of making them talk?

El Guapo wrote:

msteelers wrote:I just heard Brian Kilmeade on Fox News Radio and his panel convince themselves that Trump would snipe a large number of informants and even democrats from Hillary.

He has ways of making them talk?

Trump loves torture and the torturers love him...

Talk Radio used to piss me off, but I'm finally old enough to realize that it doesn't matter if they believe these things or not, the simple act of saying them pushing things in that direction (whichever direction they're pointing at any particular moment).

The simple act of saying something out loud makes it true to a certain number of people, and the more it is said, the more it is believed. It's propaganda in it's simplest form.

So now I'm not amazed or galled that talking head would believe the crap they're saying. instead I'm disheartened that it seems to work on a certain percentage of their audience.

El Guapo wrote:

msteelers wrote:I just heard Brian Kilmeade on Fox News Radio and his panel convince themselves that Trump would snipe a large number of informants and even democrats from Hillary.

He has ways of making them talk?

I am bad at typing on a phone...

GreenGoo wrote:
I believe that the independents are going to step up when the time comes, and outvote the bigots, the disenfranchised, the angry and the ignorant.

Because independents aren't any of those things?

Kraken wrote:

GreenGoo wrote:
I believe that the independents are going to step up when the time comes, and outvote the bigots, the disenfranchised, the angry and the ignorant.

Because independents aren't any of those things?

Exactly. I'm glad we're on the same page.

Everyone who's anyone on that list is already a Republican.

My brother-in-law claims to be an independent. But it's only because the GOP is not right-wing enough for him.

Defiant wrote:Maybe more like Arnold Schwarzenegger's run for the Governorship. Who might be one of the only people that could beat Trump for the nomination.

Quick, what are the chances we could add a constitutional amendment before the General Election to allow Arnold to run?

You don't want Arnold to be a President. He screwed up CA for years and we're still digging out.

Captain Caveman wrote:My brother-in-law claims to be an independent. But it's only because the GOP is not right-wing enough for him.

How does he feel about Trump?

GreenGoo wrote:

Captain Caveman wrote:My brother-in-law claims to be an independent. But it's only because the GOP is not right-wing enough for him.

How does he feel about Trump?

I think he's a Cruz guy. Yes, he's a Republican, but a thorn in the side of the mainstream GOP.

I just don't think Trump can win a general with his preposterous idea of outlawing pre-shredded cheese. I may be out of touch, but I just don't get the political appeal of making America grate again.

Rip wrote:

"You know what I really am happy about, because I've been saying it for a long time," Trump told supporters in his victory speech early Wednesday. "46 percent with the Hispanics ... number one with Hispanics!"

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02 ... anics.html

Don't get too excited

naednek wrote:

Defiant wrote:Maybe more like Arnold Schwarzenegger's run for the Governorship. Who might be one of the only people that could beat Trump for the nomination.

Quick, what are the chances we could add a constitutional amendment before the General Election to allow Arnold to run?

You don't want Arnold to be a President. He screwed up CA for years and we're still digging out.

Yeah, Jerry Brown would be a much better choice.

How many people have me on ignore? I know my forum games privileges are still working.