Lynching Liaisons - The End

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:17 pm

Lassr wrote:
Unagi wrote:Theohalll, I'll write more when I get to work regarding Vorret.

One thing I just want to say is that one of your main WW weaknesses is that you automatically think anyone that doesn't think like you is a wolf.

Regarding Remus and Vorret, do you think Remus expected us to Lynch his 'target', or get counter claimed; and hence we would all say "whew.... Good thing we didn't follow his advise and kill Vorret. Nice try!" And then we would all pretty much 'clear' Vorret.
Remus MUST have expected to be counter claimed. I conclude that his angling on Vorret was designed to make Votret look like he narrowly avoided being lynched via Remus' insistence.

I think you are looking at Remus as if he thought he was going to go uncontested for some stretch of time, there is no way they would have banked on that.
The Unagi train has died and as I have said a good Unagi is a benefit to the village. I'm willing to test Unagi's theory but I pause because above vorret could have added another vote to Unagi or LM (both had 3 votes I believe) but chose me instead.

I strongly think the remaining wolf is going to do anything he can to avoid putting the final vote on anyone. RMC's action on Unagi stood out to me - he sat and watched when Unagi was at three votes (of four), but as soon as RMC found himself in the spotlight he put a vote on Unagi (after I'd removed my vote).

Of course, your post stands out also - you make it clear that it's Unagi's fault if a vote on Vorret is an incorrect vote, and somehow think that the wolf would be willing to put the last vote on anyone today. If I were a wolf I'd really be doing my best to avoid such.

Vorret still stands out a bit to me.
Pr0ner is still an unknown (sorry, Pr0ner, I don't know why your posts aren't sticking in my brain - good for you if you are evil, bad for us if you are good).
Scoop... seems good.
LordMortis - leaning good.

Still, either I or Theo will die tonight and I don't expect there is much to be learned at this point by which one of us goes. We've both been wildcards in terms of accuse/vote this game.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:26 pm

Not really. I guess I will say that Scoop's last minute 'not lynching me' shouldn't be ignored... as that may very well have been an 'end game' manuever.
I'm also not as sure that Lassr wouldn't do this as a wolf, but it still seems unlikely. LM, if I was forced to guess, I'm thinking maybe human, but I go back-n-forth. That's about all I got. RMC and Vorret are my current best guesses.

redrun wrote:I strongly think the remaining wolf is going to do anything he can to avoid putting the final vote on anyone. RMC's action on Unagi stood out to me - he sat and watched when Unagi was at three votes (of four), but as soon as RMC found himself in the spotlight he put a vote on Unagi (after I'd removed my vote).

Yep.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:29 pm

redrun wrote:
Lassr wrote:
Unagi wrote:Theohalll, I'll write more when I get to work regarding Vorret.

One thing I just want to say is that one of your main WW weaknesses is that you automatically think anyone that doesn't think like you is a wolf.

Regarding Remus and Vorret, do you think Remus expected us to Lynch his 'target', or get counter claimed; and hence we would all say "whew.... Good thing we didn't follow his advise and kill Vorret. Nice try!" And then we would all pretty much 'clear' Vorret.
Remus MUST have expected to be counter claimed. I conclude that his angling on Vorret was designed to make Votret look like he narrowly avoided being lynched via Remus' insistence.

I think you are looking at Remus as if he thought he was going to go uncontested for some stretch of time, there is no way they would have banked on that.
The Unagi train has died and as I have said a good Unagi is a benefit to the village. I'm willing to test Unagi's theory but I pause because above vorret could have added another vote to Unagi or LM (both had 3 votes I believe) but chose me instead.
I strongly think the remaining wolf is going to do anything he can to avoid putting the final vote on anyone. RMC's action on Unagi stood out to me - he sat and watched when Unagi was at three votes (of four), but as soon as RMC found himself in the spotlight he put a vote on Unagi (after I'd removed my vote).

Of course, your post stands out also - you make it clear that it's Unagi's fault if a vote on Vorret is an incorrect vote, and somehow think that the wolf would be willing to put the last vote on anyone today. If I were a wolf I'd really be doing my best to avoid such.

Vorret still stands out a bit to me.
Pr0ner is still an unknown (sorry, Pr0ner, I don't know why your posts aren't sticking in my brain - good for you if you are evil, bad for us if you are good).
Scoop... seems good.
LordMortis - leaning good.

Still, either I or Theo will die tonight and I don't expect there is much to be learned at this point by which one of us goes. We've both been wildcards in terms of accuse/vote this game.

If I was the last wolf, I'd try to be early or avoid being the last vote... so I guess if I was a wolf (Am not) it's one of the "play" I'd do.

I have the same feeling as you except for LM but scoop and pr0ner are most likely good and as you said, if one of them is the last wolf, we're going to lose this.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:29 pm

Lassr wrote:The Unagi train has died

Long live the Unagi train!

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:30 pm

Oh and I didn't vote for either of them for one very specific reason :

I pushed HARD for Grund and I was way off so I didn't want to be the one to cause another wrong lynch as I don't have a strong feeling on anyone at this point, I have some doubts but none against Unagi.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:32 pm

Isn't Unagi at 4 votes?

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:33 pm

Aginst Unagi (3) - Lassr, LordMortis, RMC
Against RMC (3) - redrun, Unagi, Scoop
Against Lassr (2) - Vorret, pr0ner
Against LordMortis (1) - theohall

No votes (0) -

only theo added a vote...

Aginst Unagi (3) - Lassr, LordMortis, RMC, Theo
Against RMC (3) - redrun, Unagi, Scoop
Against Lassr (2) - Vorret, pr0ner

Why the panic?

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:38 pm

Unagi wrote:
redrun wrote:I strongly think the remaining wolf is going to do anything he can to avoid putting the final vote on anyone. RMC's action on Unagi stood out to me - he sat and watched when Unagi was at three votes (of four), but as soon as RMC found himself in the spotlight he put a vote on Unagi (after I'd removed my vote).
Yep.

Dammit. Stop it, you two.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:47 pm

LordMortis wrote:
Unagi wrote:
redrun wrote:I strongly think the remaining wolf is going to do anything he can to avoid putting the final vote on anyone. RMC's action on Unagi stood out to me - he sat and watched when Unagi was at three votes (of four), but as soon as RMC found himself in the spotlight he put a vote on Unagi (after I'd removed my vote).
Yep.

Dammit. Stop it, you two.

I had not read what Redrun said properly.
Thanks LM for quoting it.

wd Lassr

RMC

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:53 pm

Vorret wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
Unagi wrote:
redrun wrote:I strongly think the remaining wolf is going to do anything he can to avoid putting the final vote on anyone. RMC's action on Unagi stood out to me - he sat and watched when Unagi was at three votes (of four), but as soon as RMC found himself in the spotlight he put a vote on Unagi (after I'd removed my vote).
Yep.

Dammit. Stop it, you two.
I had not read what Redrun said properly.
Thanks LM for quoting it.

wd Lassr

RMC

Still not a wolf.

But I am not going to prove it anyway, other than what I have said. So if you lynch me, I guess it will give you all some good information on who pushed and who did not push for my lynch.

But think on this, if I was the final wolf why would the other wolf draw attention to me, or why would I waffle on lynching him? You would think I would have come out against him, and been strong for a vote on him or not. But the waffling is the worst way to draw attention to yourself. <shrug>

I am a good lynch, as I can see a lot of you think I am a wolf. So I hope that the discussion will provide some good insight into who is a wolf and who is not if I get lynched.

I still say Unagi or Lassr is the last wolf.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:57 pm

RMC wrote:
Vorret wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
Unagi wrote:
redrun wrote:I strongly think the remaining wolf is going to do anything he can to avoid putting the final vote on anyone. RMC's action on Unagi stood out to me - he sat and watched when Unagi was at three votes (of four), but as soon as RMC found himself in the spotlight he put a vote on Unagi (after I'd removed my vote).
Yep.

Dammit. Stop it, you two.
I had not read what Redrun said properly.
Thanks LM for quoting it.

wd Lassr

RMC

Still not a wolf. But I am not going to prove it anyway, other than what I have said. So if you lynch me, I guess it will give you all some good information on who pushed and who did not push for my lynch.

But think on this, if I was the final wolf why would the other wolf draw attention to me, or why would I waffle on lynching him? You would think I would have come out against him, and been strong for a vote on him or not. But the waffling is the worst way to draw attention to yourself. <shrug>

I am a good lynch, as I can see a lot of you think I am a wolf. So I hope that the discussion will provide some good insight into who is a wolf and who is not if I get lynched.

I still say Unagi or Lassr is the last wolf.

We shall see.
Other than purge, no wolf have actually put up a fight before we lynched them, and even purge his fight was deleted. So maybe it's your weird strategy of look calm and pray they think you don't care.

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:02 pm

Vorret wrote:Aginst Unagi (3) - Lassr, LordMortis, RMC
Against RMC (3) - redrun, Unagi, Scoop
Against Lassr (2) - Vorret, pr0ner
Against LordMortis (1) - theohall

No votes (0) -

only theo added a vote...

Aginst Unagi (3) - Lassr, LordMortis, RMC, Theo
Against RMC (3) - redrun, Unagi, Scoop
Against Lassr (2) - Vorret, pr0ner

Why the panic?

Watching those final votes carefully, are we Vorret?

Acutally, it's a

. For some reason I was thinking that Unagi was at N-1 at three votes. My bad.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:07 pm

redrun wrote:
Vorret wrote:Aginst Unagi (3) - Lassr, LordMortis, RMC
Against RMC (3) - redrun, Unagi, Scoop
Against Lassr (2) - Vorret, pr0ner
Against LordMortis (1) - theohall

No votes (0) -

only theo added a vote...

Aginst Unagi (3) - Lassr, LordMortis, RMC, Theo
Against RMC (3) - redrun, Unagi, Scoop
Against Lassr (2) - Vorret, pr0ner

Why the panic?
Watching those final votes carefully, are we Vorret?

Acutally, it's a . For some reason I was thinking that Unagi was at N-1 at three votes. My bad.

Of course , I love some good ol' lynch!

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:39 pm

Can anyone tell me why Unagi wolf would be one of the first votes on both Bakhtosh AND purge?

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:44 pm

pr0ner wrote:Can anyone tell me why Unagi wolf would be one of the first votes on both Bakhtosh AND purge?

Huh. I'd wondered if anyone else would notice such.

IIRC, the Bakhtosh vote took off quickly, leading to a Newcastle Scoop.
Purge went more slowly, but was the zerker.
Both were fairly absent, and Unagi has spoken strongly (last game in fact) about those who ghost their way through the game - so I could see him leading the way, and accepting it if the village follows.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:53 pm

Yep.
And it's also why pr0ner is most likely good.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:56 pm

pr0ner wrote:Can anyone tell me why Unagi wolf would be one of the first votes on both Bakhtosh AND purge?

His early vote on Bakhtosh is the main reason why he'd been low on my list for so long and what keeps me jumping back off of him as being evil.

The purge vote doesn't really figure into my thinking except as a protection mode.

My vote for him right now is primarily not about him being evil but about seeing how the conversation changes and hoping he's evil. It's also why I think I'm a good target. The luxury of conversation changing votes aren't going to happen for too much longer.

And that goes back to RMC being a tempting jump for me to make. But I feel as if I make that jump or the jump to anywhere else then two of us become the fallback vote for later.

I won't forgive myself for this but I am willing to pull of unagi and vote for rmc...

posting to do a count...

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:59 pm

LordMortis wrote:
pr0ner wrote:Can anyone tell me why Unagi wolf would be one of the first votes on both Bakhtosh AND purge?
His early vote on Bakhtosh is the main reason why he'd been low on my list for so long and what keeps me jumping back off of him as being evil.

The purge vote doesn't really figure into my thinking except as a protection mode.

My vote for him right now is primarily not about him being evil but about seeing how the conversation changes and hoping he's evil. It's also why I think I'm a good target. The luxury of conversation changing votes aren't going to happen for too much longer.

And that goes back to RMC being a tempting jump for me to make. But I feel as if I make that jump or the jump to anywhere else then two of us become the fallback vote for later.

I won't forgive myself for this but I am willing to pull of unagi and vote for rmc...

posting to do a count...

he's n-1

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:00 pm

redrun wrote:Huh. I'd wondered if anyone else would notice such.

Noticed most of the game and it kept me away from considering Unagi most of the game. But fear eventually takes hold.

Anyhow, I suppose here's to hoping RMC is evil.

withdraw unagi
accuse RMC

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:01 pm

I be a villager, but I think I am a good miss, as it really helps to paint a picture of who was after whom.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:34 pm

RMC wrote:I be a villager, but I think I am a good miss, as it really helps to paint a picture of who was after whom.

If you are a miss, I don't list you as a good miss. If we were going to miss today I liked the Unagi/lordmortis dichotomy better.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:13 pm

I hope you guys are right. I will bow to your superior intellect if so.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:51 pm

Ya think?!

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:05 pm

Lassr wrote:I hope you guys are right. I will bow to your superior intellect if so.

You will be doing no bowing. And Stessier has not said I am dead yet. So Plthhhhhh to you all.

I would moon you all, but I don't know how to insert one of those things..

The best I can do it:

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:10 pm

Unagi wrote:Ya think?!

Confused. Can I see a vote count? Unagi aren't you voting RMC?

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:14 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
Unagi wrote:Ya think?!
Confused. Can I see a vote count? Unagi aren't you voting RMC?

I'm dead, right? I am almost sure I am dead.... Right?

This is not a monty python skit...Here let me look...

Vorret wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
pr0ner wrote:Can anyone tell me why Unagi wolf would be one of the first votes on both Bakhtosh AND purge?
His early vote on Bakhtosh is the main reason why he'd been low on my list for so long and what keeps me jumping back off of him as being evil.

The purge vote doesn't really figure into my thinking except as a protection mode.

My vote for him right now is primarily not about him being evil but about seeing how the conversation changes and hoping he's evil. It's also why I think I'm a good target. The luxury of conversation changing votes aren't going to happen for too much longer.

And that goes back to RMC being a tempting jump for me to make. But I feel as if I make that jump or the jump to anywhere else then two of us become the fallback vote for later.

I won't forgive myself for this but I am willing to pull of unagi and vote for rmc...

posting to do a count...
he's n-1

N-1

Then

LordMortis wrote:
redrun wrote:Huh. I'd wondered if anyone else would notice such.
Noticed most of the game and it kept me away from considering Unagi most of the game. But fear eventually takes hold.

Anyhow, I suppose here's to hoping RMC is evil.

withdraw unagi
accuse RMC

Yep.. that put me over the edge...

While I am not dead yet... I'm a deader..

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:24 pm

So? Is game over RMC?

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:27 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:So? Is game over RMC?

Nope I am a villager.

Like I said all along.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:07 pm

RMC wrote:
Lassr wrote:I hope you guys are right. I will bow to your superior intellect if so.
You will be doing no bowing.

well, I had you at the bottom of my threat list. I thought you acted human most of the time and that Purge's deletion proved you to be more human than wolf. maybe you are faking us off still until stessier posts but I don't think you are a wolf. We'll see.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:50 am

pr0ner wrote:Can anyone tell me why Unagi wolf would be one of the first votes on both Bakhtosh AND purge?

Cover.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:53 am

Since no one lynched Unagi, I am fairly certain Unagi, Lord Mortis, RMC, or Lassr is the last wolf.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:59 am

Now that I see the voting is done (just caught up reading the rest of the thread), I see RMC is waiting for someone to kick the horse so we can watch him hang.

If RMC is not prevaricating, looks like it will be down to LM, Lassr, or Unagi tomorrow, but someone will likely still be pointing at Vorret.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:36 am

theohall wrote:Now that I see the voting is done (just caught up reading the rest of the thread), I see RMC is waiting for someone to kick the horse so we can watch him hang.

If RMC is not prevaricating, looks like it will be down to LM, Lassr, or Unagi tomorrow, but someone will likely still be pointing at Vorret.

Hey I only do that with my wife!!!

A nope, sorry, still not a wolf.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:09 am

stess must be on a hunting/gathering trip to feed the little monsters.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:35 am

Yeah. I expected a 4:00 am update.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:53 am

Day 6 Final Vote Count

Spoiler:

Votes required for lynch - 5

Against RMC (5) - redrun, Unagi, Scoop, Vorret, LordMortis
Aginst Unagi (3) - Lassr, RMC, theohall
Against Lassr (1) - pr0ner

No votes (0) -

There are 8 villagers + 1 wolf alive. The deadline for the lynch vote is July 12th at 1pm Eastern time.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:05 am

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:09 am

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:09 am

Guess he's a villager... no need to keep saying he's one after the final vote was put on him.
So... Theo or Redrun will be dead soon as well.

Before you become pet food you should give us your top candidate... or top 2 so we have some legit choices going into tomorrow.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:11 am

Vorret wrote:Guess he's a villager... no need to keep saying he's one after the final vote was put on him.
So... Theo or Redrun will be dead soon as well.

Before you become pet food you should give us your top candidate... or top 2 so we have some legit choices going into tomorrow.

I did earlier.. And not sure if I am dead now...Since Stess posted so will not say more.