This depends on how quickly the studies collect the necessary data and what regulators at the Food and Drug Administration ultimately decide when they review the results.
At the moment, it looks like the Pfizer vaccine will be the first shot available to children under 12. The vaccine-maker expects to have enough data by the end of September to support an emergency use authorization for its vaccine in children older than 5.
"We're hoping to have authorization — depending on both results and, of course, a few decisions — not too long after the school year starts," Dr. Phil Dormitzer, Chief Scientific Officer for Viral Vaccines at Pfizer, told NPR recently.
The data for children under 5 will be submitted shortly thereafter, a Pfizer spokesperson told NPR.
EUA in late October would be better than I've been recently led to expect, by a couple of months.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Just now tuning into this SD County Board of Supervisors meeting. This has been going on for hours.
This woman initially said she was a nurse that quit her job yesterday because of a “vaccine mandate.” She went on to say masks don’t work.
I don’t even know what this is. Horrifying? Sad? Rage-inducing? Exhausting? All of the above?
I get that there are always people on the extreme fringes who believe all sorts of nutty things. Problem is, these are the “squeaky wheels” who are essentially driving the entire discussion and who are largely determining our public health response (i.e. banning mask mandates).
I just…can’t any more with these jackasses. They’ve now won, with the outcome being that every one of us will simply continue to suffer for their unrelenting parade of sheer idiocy.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:10 pm
by Alefroth
Following a new mandate from Inslee, my work just announced a return to mandatory masks, including for the public. I'm anticipating physical confrontations.
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Daehawk wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:20 pm
He needs to be in a mental ward.
Yet people are cheering him on.
He could be up there saying anything, as long as it was tangentially anti-liberal "agenda", and he'd get applause. Someone could get up there and read Mein Kampf they'd get a standing ovation, so long as they sprinkled in anti-vax and anti-Biden nuggets.
Take the most insane, stupid sports rivalry, multiply it by 150 or so, and that's politics in 2021.
Huh, I thought he was reading Mein Kampf.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:55 pm
by Alefroth
Skinypupy wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 2:08 pm
I don’t even know what this is. Horrifying? Sad? Rage-inducing? Exhausting? All of the above?
I get that there are always people on the extreme fringes who believe all sorts of nutty things. Problem is, these are the “squeaky wheels” who are essentially driving the entire discussion and who are largely determining our public health response (i.e. banning mask mandates).
I just…can’t any more with these jackasses. They’ve now won, with the outcome being that every one of us will simply continue to suffer for their unrelenting parade of sheer idiocy.
I never imagined it would be this that caused so many to rise up and go over the edge.
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President Joe Biden said on Wednesday his administration will require employees at nursing homes to be vaccinated against COVID-19 as a condition of the facilities participating in the Medicare and Medicaid government healthcare programs.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:19 pm
by Blackhawk
Hmm... It seems to me that hospitals and doctors participate in them there programs, too. Test run?
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:14 pm
by Smoove_B
Alefroth wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:10 pm
Following a new mandate from Inslee, my work just announced a return to mandatory masks, including for the public. I'm anticipating physical confrontations.
NEW: Everyone who works in schools and colleges in Washington state will have to be fully vaccinated against Covid-19 by October 18, Gov. Jay Inslee (D) announced.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:17 pm
by Smoove_B
Blackhawk wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:19 pm
Hmm... It seems to me that hospitals and doctors participate in them there programs, too. Test run?
Maybe, it's a good one for sure as a test because of the population they serve.
As many others have already pointed out, threatening Medicare funding was how the federal government was ultimately able to force hospital systems to stop segregating patients in the 1960s.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Alefroth wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:10 pm
Following a new mandate from Inslee, my work just announced a return to mandatory masks, including for the public. I'm anticipating physical confrontations.
NEW: Everyone who works in schools and colleges in Washington state will have to be fully vaccinated against Covid-19 by October 18, Gov. Jay Inslee (D) announced.
Washington State’s head football coach is an anti-vaxxer. Will be interesting to see what happens there.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:25 pm
by Smoove_B
Skinypupy wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:23 pm
Washington State’s head football coach is an anti-vaxxer. Will be interesting to see what happens there.
By "interesting" I hope you mean watching him cry on TV when he's fired after 10/18.
But yeah, I do think there's going to be lawsuits. Which is why more states need to do this - need to build momentum.
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Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 11:47 am
by Defiant
New Zealand's Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has announced a nationwide lockdown after the country confirmed one coronavirus case -- the first locally transmitted Covid-19 case in the community since February.
Ardern told a press conference Tuesday authorities were assuming it was the contagious Delta variant, although genome sequencing is still underway.
An unvaccinated 58-year-old man in the country's largest city Auckland tested positive for the virus. The man had traveled to other parts of the country, and had no obvious link to the border, Director General of Health Ashley Bloomfield said Tuesday.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 1:21 pm
by Smoove_B
Counterpoint - DeSantis believes quarantine should be a choice
Gov. Ron DeSantis told CBS12 News he believes school districts should continue to send students with COVID symptoms home, but said some students who've been exposed to COVID should not be immediately sent home from school.
"I don't think to say anyone that was in like a hallway or in a classroom that they - even if they're healthy - should be sent home," DeSantis said at a press conference on Wednesday. "I think quarantining healthy kids deprives these kids of an ability to get an education."
The governor went on to say that parents should have the option to keep healthy kids out of school if they were exposed to COVID. His remarks came after Gov. DeSantis unveiled a new monoclonal antibody treatment facility at Westgate Park in West Palm Beach.
That's.Not.How.Infectious.Disease.Control.Works.
So...back to day drinking it is.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 1:57 pm
by TheMix
Smoove_B wrote: Thu Aug 19, 2021 1:21 pm
So...back to day drinking it is.
I call BS. Be honest, you never stopped.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:34 pm
by Smoove_B
I did...for a while. But this last month and what's about to happen has me eyeballing my storage cabinet.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Alefroth wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:10 pm
Following a new mandate from Inslee, my work just announced a return to mandatory masks, including for the public. I'm anticipating physical confrontations.
NEW: Everyone who works in schools and colleges in Washington state will have to be fully vaccinated against Covid-19 by October 18, Gov. Jay Inslee (D) announced.
Not surprising. Word on the street is that my own governor is about to unleash the same requirement. Maybe tomorrow. Possibly next week. I'm expecting similar responses here.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 4:00 pm
by malchior
Oh the wailing and gnashing of teeth shall be legendary. I have a friend whose mom is a teacher out your way Smoove_B in western NJ. She is a big anti-vax person and claims "all the teachers" there are.
That said, I am a bit surprised because the NJEA is lukewarm at best. He must be happy with the polls (which indeed look good for him).
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 4:13 pm
by Smoove_B
I have access to town-level data and when I see the number of cases in my part of the state, I am just like WTF is wrong with you people? Relatively small communities and they still have a dozen or so cases a week. I suspect the state level union is largely in support of a vaccine mandate as they were vocal that they needed priority to receive them (rightly so) when they were first made available. I have no doubt there's a group of teachers that would resist, but my attitude for them is the same for those in the medical community - there's the door. I'm confident there are plenty of people qualified to be teachers that are willing to be (and are already likely) vaccinated.
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At least the school district is planning to comply.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 7:26 pm
by Smoove_B
TheMix wrote: Thu Aug 19, 2021 3:16 pm
Well, we appreciate all you do here. So if you need to start a GoFundMe to help pay for the booze, just drop a link and I'll donate in a hearbeat.
It's a bit therapeutic to not just shout into the void online, so posting here helps me too.
BREAKING: For the 2nd straight day, Tennessee sets a stunning new daily record for #COVID19 cases among school-age children (ages 5-18).
1,850 in today's report, up from 1,495 the day before. Previous high of 1,478 was on Dec. 15th.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
More than 20,000 students in Mississippi are in quarantine from exposure to the coronavirus, accounting for about 5 percent of the state's public school pupils, according to state data.
As infection rates increase throughout the country because of the highly transmissible delta variant of the coronavirus, the state has been hit particularly hard since students returned to classes Aug. 9.
There were 20,334 students in quarantine after the first week of school, which ended Friday, according to data from the State Health Department.
During that week, 4,521 students also contracted the coronavirus, bringing the total of students who have tested positive since the beginning of August to 5,933, the health department reported.
This was not something that happened accidentally; this wasn't unforeseen. This is the result of intentionally ignoring recommendations. This is a result of a state being incapable of vaccinating more than 36% of their adults because of politics. This is a literal tragedy to watch knowing it didn't need to be this way.
Gov. Tate Reeves is not mandating masks in schools; instead, he is leaving it up to school districts, NBC affiliate WLBT of Jackson reported. Reeves has criticized the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's updated policy on masks, calling it "foolish" and "harmful."
Complicit coward.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:47 am
by Defiant
In Alabama, where the nation’s lowest vaccination rate has helped push the state closer to a record number of hospitalizations, a physician has sent a clear message to his patients: Don’t come in for medical treatment if you are unvaccinated.
Jason Valentine, a physician at Diagnostic and Medical Clinic Infirmary Health in Mobile, Ala., posted a photo on Facebook this week of him pointing to a sign taped to a door informing patients of his new policy coming Oct. 1.
“Dr. Valentine will no longer see patients that are not vaccinated against covid-19,” the sign reads.
More than 20,000 students in Mississippi are in quarantine from exposure to the coronavirus, accounting for about 5 percent of the state's public school pupils, according to state data.
As infection rates increase throughout the country because of the highly transmissible delta variant of the coronavirus, the state has been hit particularly hard since students returned to classes Aug. 9.
There were 20,334 students in quarantine after the first week of school, which ended Friday, according to data from the State Health Department.
During that week, 4,521 students also contracted the coronavirus, bringing the total of students who have tested positive since the beginning of August to 5,933, the health department reported.
This was not something that happened accidentally; this wasn't unforeseen. This is the result of intentionally ignoring recommendations. This is a result of a state being incapable of vaccinating more than 36% of their adults because of politics. This is a literal tragedy to watch knowing it didn't need to be this way.
Gov. Tate Reeves is not mandating masks in schools; instead, he is leaving it up to school districts, NBC affiliate WLBT of Jackson reported. Reeves has criticized the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's updated policy on masks, calling it "foolish" and "harmful."
Complicit coward.
When does it pivot to "God's will"?
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
TheMix wrote: Thu Aug 19, 2021 3:16 pm
Well, we appreciate all you do here. So if you need to start a GoFundMe to help pay for the booze, just drop a link and I'll donate in a hearbeat.
It's a bit therapeutic to not just shout into the void online, so posting here helps me too.
BREAKING: For the 2nd straight day, Tennessee sets a stunning new daily record for #COVID19 cases among school-age children (ages 5-18).
1,850 in today's report, up from 1,495 the day before. Previous high of 1,478 was on Dec. 15th.
Where they doing as much testing of this age group back in December? IIRC, that was the time of "kids can't get it and if they do it's nothing."
Todays numbers are terrifying but as always, we seem to lack proper data for comparison. I mean from 355 to 1850 in one day? That has to be partially testing volume, no?
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
In Alabama, where the nation’s lowest vaccination rate has helped push the state closer to a record number of hospitalizations, a physician has sent a clear message to his patients: Don’t come in for medical treatment if you are unvaccinated.
Jason Valentine, a physician at Diagnostic and Medical Clinic Infirmary Health in Mobile, Ala., posted a photo on Facebook this week of him pointing to a sign taped to a door informing patients of his new policy coming Oct. 1.
“Dr. Valentine will no longer see patients that are not vaccinated against covid-19,” the sign reads.
In Alabama, where the nation’s lowest vaccination rate has helped push the state closer to a record number of hospitalizations, a physician has sent a clear message to his patients: Don’t come in for medical treatment if you are unvaccinated.
Jason Valentine, a physician at Diagnostic and Medical Clinic Infirmary Health in Mobile, Ala., posted a photo on Facebook this week of him pointing to a sign taped to a door informing patients of his new policy coming Oct. 1.
“Dr. Valentine will no longer see patients that are not vaccinated against covid-19,” the sign reads.
It's no different than requiring masks at the door. It's a private multispecialty group. Good on them.
Thing is, a hospital ER can't do that. They have to take whoever walks in the door. And that's where the sick unvaccinated are going when they're dying.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:36 am
by Smoove_B
LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:19 am
Where they doing as much testing of this age group back in December? IIRC, that was the time of "kids can't get it and if they do it's nothing."
Todays numbers are terrifying but as always, we seem to lack proper data for comparison. I mean from 355 to 1850 in one day? That has to be partially testing volume, no?
Fair point. However, last year we all decided to mostly keep kids safe(r) by keeping them out of schools, reducing capacity, etc... Kids nationwide weren't being tested on the whole. I'm sure their positivity rate was being under-reported nationwide, but at the same time they also weren't overwhelming hospital systems. Delta is hitting them different. What we don't know yet is whether it's more problematic than the original strain for kids. The whole "kids can't get it argument" held in 2020 because nothing like this happened.
So in 2021 as Delta is surging there are states (like TN) sending kids back into full-capacity classroom environments without masks. It's like...because nothing on this scale happened last year, let's ignore all the current new variables and just send them back. And we all hated the government telling us to wear masks so we're going to make sure kids don't. For freedom.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:40 am
by Smoove_B
LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:31 am
It's no different than requiring masks at the door. It's a private multispecialty group. Good on them.
Thing is, a hospital ER can't do that. They have to take whoever walks in the door. And that's where the sick unvaccinated are going when they're dying.
There have been some doctors nationwide that openly stated to parents that if they weren't going to follow the CDCs recommended vaccination schedule for their newborns, they should find another practice. I don't get the sense it was being widely used, but enough of them did it that it was making the news in various places over the last 10 years.
I really struggle with the idea here for COVID-19 as I know there's still a non-zero percentage of people that are legitimately hesitant (still) or have access issues (can't take off work, boss won't pay for time off if they get sick). They are unfortunately going to feel the burden of policies like this along with the militant vaccine refusers. I don't know how you can address that reasonably but it's the only thing that mentally holds me back from saying to throw them all to the fire.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:36 am
by Sudy
My mother, 65, won't get vaccinated. She has diabetes, is obese, and has kidney disease. She's not necessarily a conservative, broadly speaking (her views vary). But she's very impressionable, allows herself to be led by her religious faith, and has become a believer in various conspiracies over the past decade. She's not stupid. And she's the most compassionate, caring individual I've ever known. I think it's fair to say she was emotionally abused as a child, and I'm certain she has multiple undiagnosed neuroses/mental illnesses, some moderate-to-severe. One of them includes a severe mistrust of doctors and the medical system (some of which stems from legitimate bad experiences).
I don't want her to die. Thankfully, one of the "benefits" of her essentially being confined to her bedroom for the past 1.5 years is that she encounters few transmission vectors. However, her belief in conspiracies has become shared by my learning-disabled sister. To keep the peace, because he can't handle being out of commission for a few days, and because he was spooked by the AstraZeneca clotting issue (he has a clot), my dad hasn't gotten vaccinated either. (Though he's now finally decided he has no choice thankfully, as he has an upcoming major surgery.) He's been the one leaving the house each day to get food and supplies for the others. The tragedy is that there's a fourth member of the household, my 93-year-old grandmother, who also hasn't been vaccinated. She has a personal support worker come in each day. Most have seemed cautious as the pandemic's unfolded, but not all of them.
I'm terrified, especially with this variant, that they'll come in contact with one sick person and I could lose them all--or at least my mom and grandmother. It's sad and incredibly frustrating, but there's nothing I can do. Not everyone who's unvaccinated is a 100% asshole/idiot. In fact I'd wager that most are not. But I also recognize that, en masse, they're propagating and worsening the risk for everyone. I don't know what the answer is.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:56 am
by LordMortis
Sudy wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:36 am
My mother, 65, won't get vaccinated. She has diabetes, is obese, and has kidney disease. She's not necessarily a conservative, broadly speaking (her views vary). But she's very impressionable, allows herself to be led by her religious faith, and has become a believer in various conspiracies over the past decade. She's not stupid. And she's the most compassionate, caring individual I've ever known.
That's my mom at 78.
I don't want her to die.
This. And it's why I both push the vaccine and compassion for everyone.
Mom's wear's her mask and keeps up hygiene. She out there doing high stress and unhygienic community work for people she has no relationship with and will never meet again. She does it because she loves the living. She may very well love the living for the glory of God but it does not change how intrinsically good she is. And she won't get vaccinated.
I don't want her to die.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:12 pm
by El Guapo
Boston reimposed an indoor mask mandate today. Seems sensible.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:25 pm
by Smoove_B
El Guapo wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:12 pm
Boston reimposed an indoor mask mandate today. Seems sensible.
Should help to address Boston University's "wear a mask if you feel like it" policy they'd put out for the Fall semester. WTF is happening at BU???
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