Lynching Liaisons - The End

[redrun]

Guess he's a villager... no need to keep saying he's one after the final vote was put on him.
So... Theo or Redrun will be dead soon as well.

Before you become pet food you should give us your top candidate... or top 2 so we have some legit choices going into tomorrow.

LordMortis - still leaning good.
Pr0ner - no real read. I've not had time to finish my re-read of the game, and nothing of his has strongly attracted my attention.
You (Vorret). Given that Theohall and I have been so wild, there's not much use in our final candidate - unless you're trying to figure out which one of us to kill tonight.
Lassr/Unagi - both stand out to me.
Scoop - if evil, he's learned a lot from the last game. However, he's also had very little pressure this game.

Frankly, I could vote Vorret, Lassr, Unagi easily at this point. Which means that Scoop, Pr0ner, and LordMortis is where the real wolf probably is.

[stessier]

The population of the Village had been cut by more than half and so the voting went relatively quickly. RMC had to duck under the cake baking sign that still adorned the gallows as he took his place. LordMortis walked behind him and slipped the noose around his neck then nodded to Vorret who pulled the lever.

RMC was dead and despite the crowd's vigil, they saw nothing more than a human corpse.

RMC was a Villager!

Boilerplate -
Mentalist - will you communicate with someone?
Werewolf Hunter - will you protect someone?
Sorcerer - what question do you seek an answer to?
Seer - on whom will you concentrate the Third Eye?
Cabalists - whom will you examine? The darkness has unlocked the Hidden Crypt once more.
Werewolves - who looks tasty?

Edit: Deadline for orders is Thursday, July 11th at 9pm Eastern. Daybreak will not occur before Thursday, July 11th at 9am Eastern.

[Vorret]

Would have been nice to get a lucky break here

[Unagi]

Well, that actually sucks. I was hopeing RMC was just being polite to stessier.

[Scoop20906]

RMC was a Villager!

Dammit! Then why did Purge change his post implicating RMC? Was Vorret lying about what the post said?

[theohall]

LM, Unagi, Lassr.

[Scoop20906]

Unless someone (Unagi?) gets a bright I idea I think we are in trouble.

[Scoop20906]

LM, Unagi, Lassr.

Is this ranking in order or are they all on equal amount of suspicion?

[Vorret]

RMC was a Villager!

Dammit! Then why did Purge change his post implicating RMC? Was Vorret lying about what the post said?

Why would I lie about that ? Purge accusing RMC didn't make him a wolf, it made him a suspect, yes as much as Remus "scanning" Unagi made him one.

[Vorret]

I'm missing a coma in there after yes

[Scoop20906]

RMC was a Villager!

Dammit! Then why did Purge change his post implicating RMC? Was Vorret lying about what the post said?

Why would I lie about that ? Purge accusing RMC didn't make him a wolf, it made him a suspect, yes as much as Remus "scanning" Unagi made him one.

The only thing I could guess (its unlikely) is that Purge actually named you and you changed it to RMC. Makes no sense so ignore it. I just can't fathom why Purge changed the post.

And I can't read anyone anymore.

Unagi - Don't think so
Lassr - he makes me nervous but he always does because he can make so much sense.
pr0ner - he hasn't done or said a thing to make me nervous.
Lord Mortis - completely consistent with every game I have played with him.
Vorret - You haven't done or said anything to worry me.

What do you do when everyone looks normal/good?

[Lassr]

RMC was a Villager!

Dammit! Then why did Purge change his post implicating RMC? Was Vorret lying about what the post said?

because as I said, he didn't know he was lynched when he posted and was just trying to point at another villager. If he was trying to mislead us then he would have left the post as is instead of deleting it.

If this was a ploy of vorret lying about a post that his partner posted and deleted then it would be almost like cheating (since we are not suppose to delete posts) so I will not even take that into account.

[Lassr]

RMC was a Villager!

Dammit! Then why did Purge change his post implicating RMC? Was Vorret lying about what the post said?

Why would I lie about that ? Purge accusing RMC didn't make him a wolf, it made him a suspect, yes as much as Remus "scanning" Unagi made him one.

The only thing I could guess (its unlikely) is that Purge actually named you and you changed it to RMC. Makes no sense so ignore it. I just can't fathom why Purge changed the post.

And I can't read anyone anymore.

Unagi - Don't think so
Lassr - he makes me nervous but he always does because he can make so much sense.
pr0ner - he hasn't done or said a thing to make me nervous.
Lord Mortis - completely consistent with every game I have played with him.
Vorret - You haven't done or said anything to worry me.

What do you do when everyone looks normal/good?

well then, that only leaves you as the last wolf according to your read.

[Vorret]

RMC was a Villager!

Dammit! Then why did Purge change his post implicating RMC? Was Vorret lying about what the post said?

Why would I lie about that ? Purge accusing RMC didn't make him a wolf, it made him a suspect, yes as much as Remus "scanning" Unagi made him one.

The only thing I could guess (its unlikely) is that Purge actually named you and you changed it to RMC. Makes no sense so ignore it. I just can't fathom why Purge changed the post.

And I can't read anyone anymore.

Unagi - Don't think so
Lassr - he makes me nervous but he always does because he can make so much sense.
pr0ner - he hasn't done or said a thing to make me nervous.
Lord Mortis - completely consistent with every game I have played with him.
Vorret - You haven't done or said anything to worry me.

What do you do when everyone looks normal/good?

well then, that only leaves you as the last wolf according to your read.

lol
But I agree with Scoop... everyone looks good, I don't know what to do

[Lassr]

Unagi is the only one that feels off to me. Circumstances in the game thread though make him appear human but I can't shake that nagging feeling. Last time I had that feeling he was a wolf, and he's been very good at nailing me recently when I am a wolf. It's like we are soulmates....

If he is not a wolf then I'm really stumped.

LordMortis and Vorret are on my list but it's more about early game interactions or actions by Remus that put them there. Nothing recent.

Scoop and pr0ner-if they are wolves then they played the quiet wolf beautifully and it will be noted for future games.

[Scoop20906]

RMC was a Villager!

Dammit! Then why did Purge change his post implicating RMC? Was Vorret lying about what the post said?

Why would I lie about that ? Purge accusing RMC didn't make him a wolf, it made him a suspect, yes as much as Remus "scanning" Unagi made him one.

The only thing I could guess (its unlikely) is that Purge actually named you and you changed it to RMC. Makes no sense so ignore it. I just can't fathom why Purge changed the post.

And I can't read anyone anymore.

Unagi - Don't think so
Lassr - he makes me nervous but he always does because he can make so much sense.
pr0ner - he hasn't done or said a thing to make me nervous.
Lord Mortis - completely consistent with every game I have played with him.
Vorret - You haven't done or said anything to worry me.

What do you do when everyone looks normal/good?

well then, that only leaves you as the last wolf according to your read.

Yes, and those beedy eyes and hairy palms ... err. Thats not helping.

[Unagi]

Funny effect the last couple days have had on my read of things. I'm not sure about anyone really. I don't understand Theohalls 'repell' from Vorret at all, and just about everything Scoop has recently posted made my skin kinda crawl.

Ya think?!

Confused. Can I see a vote count? Unagi aren't you voting RMC?

Unless someone (Unagi?) gets a bright I idea I think we are in trouble.

Sorry, really... but - you just seem very friendly to me, and I welcome that - but I thought you just couldn't stomach me at all last game. And now you seem almost chummy.


And where I was pretty sure about Lassr being human, I can't stand how he keeps posting things like this (highly edited to keep this from be long):
(before the Grund vote)
Vorret suggests that I'm tested soon:

So... I like Grund but... should we lynch unagi next? I know it's unlikely but we kinda have to, do we?

Lassr penned this in a reply to a post I made, but it clearly touched on Vorret's point.

as I said we have room now and we can try more obvious targets first if everyone so wishes because a good Unagi is a good player to have around.

Day starts and I vote for RMC, and Scoop votes for Grund.

Guess I am ok with testing RMC. I keep thinking he is human but he keeps slipping those wolfish posts in there.
I am also OK with testing Unagi and LordMortis.

Later, Lassr puts the last vote on Grund but makes sure we understand:

he is not my top suspect but is a suspect.

After the Grund lynch...

I'd like to test Unagi next. Everyone wanted to test Grund so that is where we went.

Here is Lassr talking about his opinion on RMC...

I don't think it is RMC although as I have said he has some very wolfish posts. I guess it wouldn't be the first time a wolf was careless and got caught but I just don't feel that is the case here.
But if everyone feels he is worth a test then so be it.

-a bit after redrun removed his vote on me:

The Unagi train has died and as I have said a good Unagi is a benefit to the village. I'm willing to test Unagi's theory ...

He also seems to totally understand the RMC/purge thing here:

Why would purge accuse RMC right before he died... why name the other wolf and put focus on him?
I don't get the idea behind that.

it is a wolf tactic that they hope leads the exact conclusion you just spoke of. Is it a wolf tactic in this case? dunno.

But now that we are done testing "Unagi's theory", he describes that moment an entirely different way:

Then why did Purge change his post implicating RMC?

because as I said, he didn't know he was lynched when he posted and was just trying to point at another villager. If he was trying to mislead us then he would have left the post as is instead of deleting it.

also, Lassr - is this true !?

and he's been very good at nailing me recently when I am a wolf.

I seriously feel like you are one of the players I constantly can't really read... am I forgetting a recent time where I busted you as a wolf?

[Vorret]

I didn't like the RMC vote. I used to like yours but I don't anymore (and it was only for the fact that you we're part of the RW scans and I doubt he would put the 2 remaining wolves in there).

RMC was only a target because of Purge deleted post. In fact, I'm 100% responsible for his demise since I'm the only one, other than Purge who saw that post if it wasn't for that, he was cruising along with nobody really caring about him (bit like pr0ner). If I had to pick the next target, I'd probably go with Lassr, again, he kinda defaults there since everyone else is completely unwolfy.

[Scoop20906]

Unagi, didn't think I was being friendly but glad you took it that way. I just want anyone to come up with something at this point because I am at a loss as to who to vote for and feel like I'm on a one way ticket to the final night.

I was super confident of Grund. I thought for once I had one. WRONG.

I was completely trusting of Remus even with his overt and premature final lynch votes. I should have seen that. WRONG.

I really didn't think purge was a wolf. WRONG.

See a pattern here? I don't trust my wolf-dar anymore (not that it was super accurate ever).

If I'm making your skin crawl I must admit I enjoy seeing you be wrong for a change but you are wrong if you think I am the final wolf.

If you asked me right now I am starting to question my decision not to off you instead of RMC earlier. But what are the chances I am right? NONE.

Seriously, someone other than me needs to win this game.

[Scoop20906]

I didn't like the RMC vote. I used to like yours but I don't anymore (and it was only for the fact that you we're part of the RW scans and I doubt he would put the 2 remaining wolves in there).

RMC was only a target because of Purge deleted post. In fact, I'm 100% responsible for his demise since I'm the only one, other than Purge who saw that post if it wasn't for that, he was cruising along with nobody really caring about him (bit like pr0ner). If I had to pick the next target, I'd probably go with Lassr, again, he kinda defaults there since everyone else is completely unwolfy.

Frustrating, Lassr does not seem wolfy to me in the least.

[Lassr]

also, Lassr - is this true !?

and he's been very good at nailing me recently when I am a wolf.

I seriously feel like you are one of the players I constantly can't really read... am I forgetting a recent time where I busted you as a wolf?

there have been numerous games where you were sure I was a wolf although you may not have been able to convince others and you were right.

[LordMortis]

I didn't like the RMC vote. I used to like yours but I don't anymore (and it was only for the fact that you we're part of the RW scans and I doubt he would put the 2 remaining wolves in there).

RMC was only a target because of Purge deleted post. In fact, I'm 100% responsible for his demise since I'm the only one, other than Purge who saw that post if it wasn't for that, he was cruising along with nobody really caring about him (bit like pr0ner). If I had to pick the next target, I'd probably go with Lassr, again, he kinda defaults there since everyone else is completely unwolfy.

If it's of any consequence, I did not think RMC was guilty because of your vote. I thought he was guilty primarily because he was seemed to take no interest in the game until wolves started dying. As more wolves died he seemed more engaged.

I also saw Purge's post and blew it off. It didn't say much but "don't lynch me I'm innocent. Vote RMC." Nuking his post was bad form but he's had a bad game and he was by no means the first person to edit a post this game even.

I "didn't like" the RMC vote, though I voted for him he looked among the most guilty. What I didn't like was that I felt like most guilty looking wasn't going to be as good as changing the game around... unless of course lynching the most guilty looking got us a wolf... Which changed my mind.

I also don't think arguments to vote RMC were anything around the purge lynch. Or if they were I glossed over them. I read others voting for RMC for the same reason I was watching him. He went from the background to the foreground. Things like:

I strongly think the remaining wolf is going to do anything he can to avoid putting the final vote on anyone. RMC's action on Unagi stood out to me - he sat and watched when Unagi was at three votes (of four), but as soon as RMC found himself in the spotlight he put a vote on Unagi (after I'd removed my vote).

[Scoop20906]

I voted RMC solely based on the purge "post" incident, LM. It was a shot in the dark I admit.

[Unagi]

there have been numerous games where you were sure I was a wolf although you may not have been able to convince others and you were right.

So you could give me say, 2 or even 1, recent example?


My main reason for voting RMC was this post:

Frankly this feels wrong. Remuswolf wouldn't be so stupid as to spoof a role that could be disproven, and since LL clearly is alive and well, at best guess NC could have been 1 of 3 cabal. IIRC LL confirmed he was not, do that leaves one person to spoof as the other two were evil.

I'm ok with voting, but the seance should be saved. The cabal will be around to answer the NC issue. I don't trust Remus. The only good Remus is a dead one.

If the seer is not remus then they are likely alive. this simplifies their job. if Remuswolf manages to kill one player in a false lynch, the game is big enough, and they are at such a disadvantage that we can afford it for the seer to scan tonight and possibly even tomorrow night before revealing.

If remus is the seer, we can look forward to him leading us to failure.

Sent from my Nokia 920

One of the first substancial posts from Purge. Looking back, there is a whole lot of bad in this post. (20/20 hindsight and all that). Remus wouldn't spoof a role that could be disproven (come forward and disprove it seer!), but he doesn't trust Remus, but the seer should stay hidden for a while longer. The seance stuff is good and what the village should be thinking (IMO). This could be a real villager talking, but could also easily be a wolf supporting Remus's move.

Actually I think this is a great point, and since we have time

 Withdraw Purge 
 


So do you still think that Vorret is the best candidate? (Just going on where your vote is.

I felt he was trying to see if there was any chance he could put the brakes on the purge vote.
Common wolf tactic of putting a vote on a partner, only to remove it at some point and see if that starts a precipitous drop in votes.
Additionally, I felt that a deleted post that mentioned a player was an attempt to keep that player's name from being associated to what was about to be a revealed wolf - and hence purge had removed the post hoping no one saw that he mentioned RMC.

[Vorret]

Scoop has a new avatar.
Wolf?

[Lassr]

there have been numerous games where you were sure I was a wolf although you may not have been able to convince others and you were right.

So you could give me say, 2 or even 1, recent example?

No.

Did a quick look and the last time I was a wolf was last year at this time but upon looking that was not a game where you had my number. We've been playing these so long time seems to run together so it may have been like 2 years ago where you nailed me like 2 games in a role. You were convinced I was a wolf. I had a stretch there where I was a wolf often, can't believe it was 2+ years ago...

[Unagi]

there have been numerous games where you were sure I was a wolf although you may not have been able to convince others and you were right.

So you could give me say, 2 or even 1, recent example?

No.

Did a quick look and the last time I was a wolf was last year at this time but upon looking that was not a game where you had my number. We've been playing these so long time seems to run together so it may have been like 2 years ago where you nailed me like 2 games in a role. You were convinced I was a wolf. I had a stretch there where I was a wolf often, can't believe it was 2+ years ago...

I'd say it was even longer. For all of my memory - you have always been very hard for me to read. Mainly because I'm always thinking wolf - and so I've trained myself to 'chill' on that thought - but then I always think I'm chilling at the wrong time.

[Scoop20906]

Scoop has a new avatar.
Wolf?

Cat.

[Scoop20906]

Ok. Thinking out loud here. The final wolf is probably a background player. He isn't going to overtly accuse anyone because when that person shows as a villager then the heat might come back on him.

Most likely he is an experienced and cool player and doesn't get flustered. He might have had a train on him and didn't panic or blink.

[Vorret]

Scoop has a new avatar.
Wolf?

Cat.

Pretty sure it's a wolf.

[Scoop20906]

Scoop has a new avatar.
Wolf?

Cat.

Pretty sure it's a wolf.

If only it would be that simple.

[theohall]

LM, Unagi, Lassr.

Is this ranking in order or are they all on equal amount of suspicion?

LM first. Lassr and Unagi equally as second choice. Why do I think it is one of these three? No one lynched Unagi and these were the other the on the vote. IMO, it clears Vorret even more than ask of the Remus West pointing at him stuff.

Had redrun not contacted Qantaga the night he was killed, Remus West would likely have been leading us on for another day, because neither we nor the wolves knew bb2112's role until Lagom revealed it. That should be taken into consideration.

So, were Remus West really trying to gain our trust by using wolf Vorret, why wouldn't he just claim he scanned Vorret and found a wolf?

This is another reason why Lord Mortis, Unagi, and Lassr all look guilty to me. All three keep pointing at Vorret in some way. I could be wrong, but the voting suggests otherwise to me along with the interactions and accusations.

[theohall]

LM, Unagi, Lassr.

Is this ranking in order or are they all on equal amount of suspicion?

LM first. Lassr and Unagi equally as second choice. Why do I think it is one of these three? No one lynched Unagi and these were the other three on the vote. IMO, it clears Vorret even more becauseof the Remus West pointing at him stuff.

Had redrun not contacted Qantaga the night he was killed, Remus West would likely have been leading us on for another day, because neither we nor the wolves knew bb2112's role until Lagom revealed it. That should be taken into consideration.

So, were Remus West really trying to gain our trust by using wolf Vorret, why wouldn't he just claim he scanned Vorret and found a wolf?

This is another reason why Lord Mortis, Unagi, and Lassr all look guilty to me. All three keep pointing at Vorret in some way. I could be wrong, but the voting suggests otherwise to me along with the interactions and accusations.

Aaarrrgghhhh. Auto correct.

[LordMortis]

Had redrun not contacted Qantaga the night he was killed, Remus West would likely have been leading us on for another day, because neither we nor the wolves knew bb2112's role until Lagom revealed it. That should be taken into consideration.

I would guess two days. And I agree it should be taken into consideration.

So, were Remus West really trying to gain our trust by using wolf Vorret, why wouldn't he just claim he scanned Vorret and found a wolf?

This is another reason why Lord Mortis, Unagi, and Lassr all look guilty to me. All three keep pointing at Vorret in some way. I could be wrong, but the voting suggests otherwise to me along with the interactions and accusations.

I'm not following you here, though. Can you spell it out. I was hot and heavy on Vorret early but he's sort of fell off my pursuit as Unagi started going up my list. Lassr, otoh has always been fairly high on my list.

Vorret still doesn't look innocent to me even if he's not been someone I've watching post by post like I felt I was doing earlier, so I'd like it spelled out.

...

I'm with Scoop. I've made the wrong choice at every turn and night on everyone looks bad to me. I've tried to stay away from being a key choice maker and it hasn't helped. Even the votes I wasn't in on, I would have voted for and been wrong about.

Coming into 7 tomorrow, we still get three misses. I'm still OK with me tomorrow and Unagi the day after. But that's pretty much the end of the line. I regret not pursuing that line of thought harder today. But then I've been wrong every step of the way why stop at yesterday.

[Vorret]

What I hate is that we have no solid lead on anyone.
We all have our "top suspect" but it's only a hunch, there's no pattern, no mistakes, no slips, nothing.

We may get lucky with a lynch but I fear this one will go down to the wire.

We'll lose Theo or Redrun tonight.
Likely lynch candidate tomorrow is most likely Unagi/Lassr/LM if whoever we pick is a villager then the last known dies and at that point we're left with nothing.

Who dies tonight doesn't really matter, I'm most likely going to vote for Lassr tomorrow.

[stessier]

The earth continued it's rapid travel around the sun and with it another fated death. redrun would run no more.

Who would the gallows claim today?

Villagers - Who will you lynch today?
Hunter - on whom will you pass your judgement?
Medium - with whom will you speak?

There are 6 villagers + 1 wolf alive. The deadline for the lynch vote is July 17th at noon Eastern time (please check my math).

[Vorret]

 Lassr 
 


I'm gonna start with him, as I said I would.
Not because I have a feel on him but because he's the one who looks the less good of everyone.

[Lassr]

I can vote LordMortis or Unagi today.

I will start with the same one I have been wanting to test.

 Unagi 
 


If you want me gone then please do it today. I seem to be high on a lot of your lists so that may be the consensus.

[redrun]

[Scoop20906]

I'd like to hear from Unagi and LM before I place my vote. After that you are all encouraged to vote differently than me. That might be the key to winning the game.