Octopus Overlords

Daehawk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:06 pm So truth is suppressed and the liars keep lying.

The BBC is temporarily suspending its journalists' work in Russia, in response to a new law which threatens to jail anyone Russia deems to have spread "fake" news on the armed forces.

BBC Director-General Tim Davie said the legislation "appears to criminalise the process of independent journalism".
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Responding to the legislation passed by the Russian authorities, BBC Director-General Tim Davie said: "It leaves us no other option than to temporarily suspend the work of all BBC News journalists and their support staff within the Russian Federation while we assess the full implications of this unwelcome development.

"Our BBC News service in Russian will continue to operate from outside Russia.

Blackhawk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 6:49 pm Notice that the only people in that video who didn't immediately praise Putin and offer support were young people. The older people remember what it was like. And the younger people are starting to learn. You may know the truth, and you may oppose it, but you don't go on record with your opposition.

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:55 pm BBC

The BBC is temporarily suspending its journalists' work in Russia, in response to a new law which threatens to jail anyone Russia deems to have spread "fake" news on the armed forces.

BBC Director-General Tim Davie said the legislation "appears to criminalise the process of independent journalism".
...
Responding to the legislation passed by the Russian authorities, BBC Director-General Tim Davie said: "It leaves us no other option than to temporarily suspend the work of all BBC News journalists and their support staff within the Russian Federation while we assess the full implications of this unwelcome development.

"Our BBC News service in Russian will continue to operate from outside Russia.

The CBC has joined the BBC in saying it will temporarily suspend all its reporting from the ground in Russia after Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a bill introducing a prison sentence of up to 15 years for spreading information that goes against the Russian government's position on the war in Ukraine.

In an online statement, CBC/Radio-Canada said it is "very concerned about new legislation passed in Russia, which appears to criminalize independent reporting on the current situation in Ukraine and Russia."

The legislation, which was quickly rubber-stamped by both houses of the Kremlin-controlled parliament earlier Friday, criminalizes the intentional spreading of what Russia deems to be "fake" reports about the war.

The broadcaster said Friday it has temporarily suspended its reporting from the ground in Russia while it seeks "clarity on this legislation."

"We join other media in standing up for a free press and unimpeded access to accurate, independent journalism in Ukraine and Russia. Our journalists have been doing vital work to bring all elements of this story to Canadians and people around the world."

Blackhawk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 6:49 pm
Notice that the only people in that video who didn't immediately praise Putin and offer support were young people. The older people remember what it was like. And the younger people are starting to learn. You may know the truth, and you may oppose it, but you don't go on record with your opposition.

Zaxxon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 8:33 pm Historically, it's the good guys that nuke the free press, right? Asking for a friend.

Defiant wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 8:45 pm

Zaxxon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 8:33 pm Historically, it's the good guys that nuke the free press, right? Asking for a friend.

Perhaps not the best phrasing, given all the worries about nuclear weapons and nuclear power plants.

Defiant wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:02 pm Because I don't think I could process a world where I agree with him on something.

Offering #Ukraine a membership in #NATO was only to pave the way for the implementation of the tripartite agreement between the United States, Russia, and China. They are redistributing the world among them. They never grant Ukraine any membership in NATO.

Lady's and Gentlemen, boys & girls, it is time saddle up for another installment of the "Mud and Truck Maintenance in Ukraine" feed.

And this one will be a doozy, because we are talking about Russian truck refueling in the 64km column north of Kyiv.

Spoiler:

I am going to expand on this earlier tweet on the satellite photo montage.

The Rasputitsa, bad tire maintenance, vehicle overcrowding, and lack of fuel have isolated most of this Russian Army column from its rear.

No matter what kind of fuel conservation techniques they engaged in. The 1st 17km or so of that 64 km Russian Army column is out of fuel.

They planned a 3-day operation which is in its 8th day.

And given the temperatures and radio use, those vehicles have dead batteries.

This is why that Russian 41st CAA general was killed.

He showed up at the head of the column to unscrew the logistical mess, screaming at people and waving his arms in the air in visual range of a Ukrainian Army Sniper.

As for why the Ukrainians haven't rolled up those Russian troops in a 'motti' yet. They were busy.

The Russian Hostomel airbase occupation force had to be annihilated to keep fuel from being airlifted in by helicopter.

The head of this 64km column ain't going anywhere. With or without fuel. The Russians can get neither fuel trucks nor wreckers there.

And this "drop dead effect" is proceeding along the column from south to north. The ONLY way that column will move at all is backwards first

This is assuming it moves at all before the Ukrainians destroy it.

The front and middle of the column showed up with food, fuel & ammo for 3-days, & we are 8-days into the war.

The column is packed so tight that you can only refuel about 100-200 meters of column at a time

via a--holes & elbow by jerry cans. Then carefully back out those refueled trucks in order to get to the next 100 meters with the refueling truck and jerry cans.

It would take a week a month from now, when the ground dries, to unf--k this mess.

The Russian Army will not be able to move trucks off road before then.

Nor in a lot of cases will the Russian Army tanks in that column be able to move off road.

The Russians have formed the world's longest POW camp. And the Ukrainians don't have to feed it.

There simply hasn't been anything like this in warfare since the Anglo-American Anzio beachhead in 1944.

The Russian troops in the 40-50 km of the traffic jam closest to Kyiv will run out of food before the jam can be cleared to them.

They'll have to abandon their vehicles and walk north just to get food.

The reason the Russian column got to be so long was due to Russian Army officers “fulfilling the plan”.

They might be shot by the chain of command for disobeying orders to advance into the traffic jam, but won’t be if they obey orders to fulfill the plan.

I'm not saying Ukraine will win or even that Ukraine can prevent Kyiv from being encircled.

I am saying the Russian Army troops in the first 50 kilometers of that 64 km column will have nothing to do with it.

End

PS.

The Ukrainians really do want to motti that column.

PPS

And the Ukrainians do have the means to hit the fuel trucks at the North end of the Kyiv column to prevent its unwinding before the mud season is over.

Max Peck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:50 pm An interesting take on The Convoy...

Lady's and Gentlemen, boys & girls, it is time saddle
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Max Peck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:50 pm An interesting take on The Convoy...

Lady's and Gentlemen, boys & girls, it is time saddle up for another installment of the "Mud and Truck Maintenance in Ukraine" feed.

And this one will be a doozy, because we are talking about Russian truck refueling in the 64km column north of Kyiv.

Spoiler:

I am going to expand on this earlier tweet on the satellite photo montage.

The Rasputitsa, bad tire maintenance, vehicle overcrowding, and lack of fuel have isolated most of this Russian Army column from its rear.

No matter what kind of fuel conservation techniques they engaged in. The 1st 17km or so of that 64 km Russian Army column is out of fuel.

They planned a 3-day operation which is in its 8th day.

And given the temperatures and radio use, those vehicles have dead batteries.

This is why that Russian 41st CAA general was killed.

He showed up at the head of the column to unscrew the logistical mess, screaming at people and waving his arms in the air in visual range of a Ukrainian Army Sniper.

As for why the Ukrainians haven't rolled up those Russian troops in a 'motti' yet. They were busy.

The Russian Hostomel airbase occupation force had to be annihilated to keep fuel from being airlifted in by helicopter.

The head of this 64km column ain't going anywhere. With or without fuel. The Russians can get neither fuel trucks nor wreckers there.

And this "drop dead effect" is proceeding along the column from south to north. The ONLY way that column will move at all is backwards first

This is assuming it moves at all before the Ukrainians destroy it.

The front and middle of the column showed up with food, fuel & ammo for 3-days, & we are 8-days into the war.

The column is packed so tight that you can only refuel about 100-200 meters of column at a time

via a--holes & elbow by jerry cans. Then carefully back out those refueled trucks in order to get to the next 100 meters with the refueling truck and jerry cans.

It would take a week a month from now, when the ground dries, to unf--k this mess.

The Russian Army will not be able to move trucks off road before then.

Nor in a lot of cases will the Russian Army tanks in that column be able to move off road.

The Russians have formed the world's longest POW camp. And the Ukrainians don't have to feed it.

There simply hasn't been anything like this in warfare since the Anglo-American Anzio beachhead in 1944.

The Russian troops in the 40-50 km of the traffic jam closest to Kyiv will run out of food before the jam can be cleared to them.

They'll have to abandon their vehicles and walk north just to get food.

The reason the Russian column got to be so long was due to Russian Army officers “fulfilling the plan”.

They might be shot by the chain of command for disobeying orders to advance into the traffic jam, but won’t be if they obey orders to fulfill the plan.

I'm not saying Ukraine will win or even that Ukraine can prevent Kyiv from being encircled.

I am saying the Russian Army troops in the first 50 kilometers of that 64 km column will have nothing to do with it.

End

PS.

The Ukrainians really do want to motti that column.

PPS

And the Ukrainians do have the means to hit the fuel trucks at the North end of the Kyiv column to prevent its unwinding before the mud season is over.

malchior wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:33 pm Some of the weakness in the argument that the war is going not optimally but acceptable range for Putin is that there has been indicators that they are now shipping via train more and much older equipment from the far east of Russia. If true, it'll still take a week or more to get to staging and then has to get into Ukraine from there. That's a sign that they lost far more equipment than they expected.

Unagi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 11:34 pm

He's got a few old archer units from the start of the game...

We spoke to one young Russian woman who was leaving for the West - one of the lucky ones who had an EU visa before the sanctions were announced. She was in despair at what has been happening.

"People in Ukraine are our people - our family," she said. "We shouldn't be killing them." Would she think of going back, I asked? "Not while our dreadful government is there. It is so, so sad."

She said most Russians don't want this war, but they risk going to jail if they try to stand up to Putin.

Another woman who has left Russia, this time for Istanbul, told us by phone she had been terrified of a return to life as it was under the Soviet Union.

"I'm 30, I haven't seen the worst... the repressions, the secret police," she said. "I had a very clear fear that if I'm not going to fly out right now, I will not be able to fly out ever."

"On the one hand, it seems this is the moment to get out. On the other, there is a legitimate fear that you will not be able to see your friends and family for God knows how long, if ever."

Max Peck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 9:07 am I haven't seen anyone who I'd take seriously that is predicting that the invasion is going to be repelled in the absence of direct Western military intervention, although I'm sure they're out there, just that it's not going as well as expected and that the occupation will likely be difficult.

Holman wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 10:04 am

Max Peck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 9:07 am I haven't seen anyone who I'd take seriously that is predicting that the invasion is going to be repelled in the absence of direct Western military intervention, although I'm sure they're out there, just that it's not going as well as expected and that the occupation will likely be difficult.

The Clint Erlich posts point to a couple of high-performing threads that predicted a Russian collapse on the basis of logistics, but they hardly constitute majority opinion.

Grifman wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:41 am A counter narrative - Overall, the Russian plan is working and the Russians are going to win:

Holman wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 10:03 am This is remarkable.



For *years* Bongino/Shapiro and various Fox personalities have dominated the top 10 FB list, with very little variation. Now, suddenly...

Blackhawk wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 11:54 am I am truly curious about how the loss of the Russian bots leading into the second half of 2022 are going to affect the midterms. Not hopeful - I'm past hopeful - but curious.

Max Peck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:05 pm This Clint Erlich chap seems to be very popular with right-wing Americans, so I can only presume that he knows what he's talking about when it comes to gaslighting. I'm sure his analysis is not influenced by his apparent pro-Russian, anti-Ukraine view of the conflict. After scanning his Twitter feed, it seems like he's working very hard to portray the Ukrainian government as the bad guys.

Unagi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 11:34 pm He's got a few old archer units from the start of the game...

Max Peck wrote:This Clint Erlich chap seems to be very popular with right-wing Americans, so I can only presume that he knows what he's talking about when it comes to gaslighting. I'm sure his analysis is not influenced by his apparent pro-Russian, anti-Ukraine view of the conflict. After scanning his Twitter feed, it seems like he's working very hard to portray the Ukrainian government as the bad guys.

Kraken wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:19 pm

Blackhawk wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 11:54 am I am truly curious about how the loss of the Russian bots leading into the second half of 2022 are going to affect the midterms. Not hopeful - I'm past hopeful - but curious.

I hope voters punish the Trumputin wing candidates. A GOP landslide is less disastrous if it's mostly establishment types. However, I fear that by November Russia will have pacified Ukraine to the extent that the Trumputins can declare victory.