Lynching Liaisons - The End

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:27 am

redrun contacted me last night. Don't know that it means anything. He said it was in bad form to talk at night. Is that true? I never thought so. Any hoo, it would seem he thinks it's bad form to post conversations, but nothing here fells like it's in confidence, so...

redrun wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
redrun wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
redrun wrote:Should it worry me that I read what you wrote and understood it on the first read (but knew something looked strange)? Went back and realized that the word "read" goes between "also" and "purge".

OK, Scoop looks worse. He has recently been making some noise about the possibility of Vorret lying. Not something I'd expect, either Vorret to do, or to be accused of. However, it could just be standard game parnoia on the part of Scoop.
When Scoop is present he feels dirty. He's been absent for much of the game. Is he hiding? It seems like it. But then Scoop is always evil. The trend has to end.
I don't want to discuss things in game thread during night period (feels like cheating to me), but I'll put this here. Kill Unagi in the morning. If I'm still alive I'll push for the same.

Lastly, if it gets down to six or five players during the day - everyone must post their threat list before making the day lynch. I'll also put this out in the morning if I'm still alive.
Will do, but it seems contrary to what I've been pushing, which is to kill me first. I am hoping that I am a good barometer for Unagi.
I also don't understand why in posting would feel like cheating. I'd be happy to post conversations unless there was evidence that this is bad form. To my thinking it'd be the exact opposite. It would be a tool in your chest.
I'd thought that the general rule was that the village doesn't discuss at night, only during the day. Once the moderator posts the "lynch has been reached writeup" it means that one player is gone, it's night, the rest of the players shouldn't be discussing things. I realize this rule (if it even is a rule) is more breeched then followed, but it's still one I try to stick to.

I told him I'd push for Unagi, so if his correspondences previous to his one with me suggests I push for Unagi, then that's what I'm doing.

I think it's valid and I also think those posting lists late (after digesting others) are more suspect.

My threat list is as follows:

Lassr
Vorret
Unagi
Scoop
...
Pr0ner

Even with Unagi being low, I think he changes the conversation and I think saving him for last is mistake much like I felt yesterday. I blame myself for a lack of confidence not sticking with him.

I'm not voting for him yet because I am going to wait for lists.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:32 am

Wow, OK.

So... Redrun was the night kill, but he wasn't killed until you had a nice long conversation with him.

I've gone all over the place in my head on things. And I'm willing to accept I could be just goofing on Vorret... but I don't think it's as stupid as Theohall claims.
I guess my order would be (and this is hardly an order).
LM, Lassr,Scoop,Vorret

Lord Mortis

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:33 am

Didn't put my "order" so here it is :

Lassr , LM , Unagi

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:43 am

Unagi wrote:
So... Redrun was the night kill, but he wasn't killed until you had a nice long conversation with him.

This unbelievable, why?

I'm still OK with going today, which will make your question shine. In fact, I prefer today to tomorrow. I will still wait for scoop and pr0ner.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:46 am

Order:

Unagi
---
LordMortis
Scoop
Vorret

---
pr0ner

Yes, scoop has moved up my list. The middle 3 are very fluid though, right now I would rank them that way but it changes.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:53 am

LordMortis wrote:
Unagi wrote:
So... Redrun was the night kill, but he wasn't killed until you had a nice long conversation with him.

This unbelievable, why?

Well, I suppose I don't know how long it took you guys to have all those exchanges, but I just assume that redrun would (or really which ever trusted) would have been killed yesterday pretty early, yet it looks like he was kept alive until you guys had that long back-n-forth. Redrun wasn't even killed the night he and I talked - but we only had time for 1 post each.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:56 am

Well, I doubt he "invented" the conversation...
Unless he's a wizard.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:13 pm

Unagi wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
Unagi wrote:
So... Redrun was the night kill, but he wasn't killed until you had a nice long conversation with him.

This unbelievable, why?
Well, I suppose I don't know how long it took you guys to have all those exchanges, but I just assume that redrun would (or really which ever trusted) would have been killed yesterday pretty early, yet it looks like he was kept alive until you guys had that long back-n-forth. Redrun wasn't even killed the night he and I talked - but we only had time for 1 post each.

Actually we had more exchanges than this. I cut off the early stuff because that information was more personal and posting that did seem in bad form.

The order to kill redrun might have been pretty early. Who knows, but morning didn't happen until just a little bit ago and couldn't have happened before 09:00 this morning. By my clock I received his last message at Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:34 am. I sent my last one at Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:28 am. Conveniently, Stess posted at Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:35 am. Maybe that's when I sent the kill order. *shrug*

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:23 pm

Vorret wrote:Well, I doubt he "invented" the conversation...

I'm not saying he invented the conversation at all.

Maybe I don't even understand the rules on that, but when redrun contacted me (I thought he was going to be targeted that night) I assumed we'd be cut-off quickly and I tried to reply fast, etc.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:32 pm

The rules:

If the werewolves happen to attack either the Mentalist or his subject during that night cycle, the moderator will PM the 2 participants to inform them that the link was broken, which means that all PMs between the 2 would have to stop immediately. Due to the great mental strain on the subject, the Mentalist cannot contact the same person 2 nights in a row.

I'm suggesting that
a) the wolf would have likely placed his kill order yesterday at some point (I would think... cause he didn't have a whole lot of choices, etc)
b) if that happened, LM and redrun's conversation would have been shut down.
c) it didn't happen. They spoke "all night long"- which would make perfect sense if theohall was the night kill (cause that wouldn't stop their conversation until the earliest dawn was allowed), but he wasn't. So - why would the wolf decide to kill Redrun, but only after the night was basically 'over' and LM and him had 'concluded' their conversation.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:42 pm

Unagi wrote:The rules:
If the werewolves happen to attack either the Mentalist or his subject during that night cycle, the moderator will PM the 2 participants to inform them that the link was broken, which means that all PMs between the 2 would have to stop immediately. Due to the great mental strain on the subject, the Mentalist cannot contact the same person 2 nights in a row.
I'm suggesting that
a) the wolf would have likely placed his kill order yesterday at some point (I would think... cause he didn't have a whole lot of choices, etc)
b) if that happened, LM and redrun's conversation would have been shut down.
c) it didn't happen. They spoke "all night long"- which would make perfect sense if theohall was the night kill (cause that wouldn't stop their conversation until the earliest dawn was allowed), but he wasn't. So - why would the wolf decide to kill Redrun, but only after the night was basically 'over' and LM and him had 'concluded' their conversation.

I never got that PM. I don't know if redrun did or not. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that stess did not get the kill order until such a time as he logged in this morning. It's also possible he forgot. I can't say which is the case... Perhaps it was in bad form that I posted the conversation.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:07 pm

Interesting... Stess probably forgot to send the PM.
In any case, I doubt any good information will come out of that since redrun is dead.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:06 pm

I don't know stess mode of operation but when I mod all my actions take place at once. So I execute all the orders I receive at one time right before I announce morning. If that is how stess operates then it is no big deal. if it is not then hmmmm.

Of course stess has not been around much so it could be the order was sent and he did not get it until this morning.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:13 pm

accuse Lassr

This is where my mind is at.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:28 pm

Day 7 Count

Spoiler:

Votes required for lynch - 4

Against Lassr (2): Vorret, Scoop
Against Unagi (1): Lassr
Against LordMortis (1): Unagi

No votes (3) - pr0ner, theohall, LordMortis,

There are 6 villagers + 1 wolf alive. The deadline for the lynch vote is July 17th at noon Eastern time.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:11 pm

Scoop20906 wrote: accuse Lassr

This is where my mind is at.

woohoo, put me out of my misery!

Went there because I moved you up my list?

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:29 pm

Unagi wrote:The rules:
If the werewolves happen to attack either the Mentalist or his subject during that night cycle, the moderator will PM the 2 participants to inform them that the link was broken, which means that all PMs between the 2 would have to stop immediately. Due to the great mental strain on the subject, the Mentalist cannot contact the same person 2 nights in a row.
I'm suggesting that
a) the wolf would have likely placed his kill order yesterday at some point (I would think... cause he didn't have a whole lot of choices, etc)
b) if that happened, LM and redrun's conversation would have been shut down.
c) it didn't happen. They spoke "all night long"- which would make perfect sense if theohall was the night kill (cause that wouldn't stop their conversation until the earliest dawn was allowed), but he wasn't. So - why would the wolf decide to kill Redrun, but only after the night was basically 'over' and LM and him had 'concluded' their conversation.

How about we put your line of thinking to the test? I check out today. You check out tomorrow and if you aren't a wolf then it leaves the last three to figure it out among themselves? No matter how it plays I don't trust you in the end game.

LordMortis

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:35 pm

I thought I read there were no self votes.

But truthfully I want to go first.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:40 pm

Shitty

remove lormortis
Unagi

That is my final answer.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:04 pm

Geez guys what's with the suicide thoughts

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:14 pm

Vorret wrote:Geez guys what's with the suicide thoughts

I think it would be very helpful if we get down to 3 left and I am not one of them. So i say Unagi or me today.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:31 pm

I'm still worried the last wolf is hiding as scoop or pr0ner

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:44 pm

Vorret wrote:I'm still worried the last wolf is hiding as scoop or pr0ner

I am too but if they are then one of us will know when we get down to the last day, unfortunately one of us top suspects will be left and may not be able to convince pr0ner/scoop that they are not the wolf.

But for now we can get rid of some top prospects and see what happens.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:51 pm

It's really driving me up the wall that so many people want to volunteer to be lynched.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:12 pm

pr0ner wrote:It's really driving me up the wall that so many people want to volunteer to be lynched.

My drive behind it is if it is

Lassr, Scoop, Pr0ner on the last day, who do you think will get lynched? Most likely me and then the wolves win. Same with Unagi.

I think LordMortis or vorret on the last day may have a little more cred (if the last wolf is scoop or you).

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:34 pm

Well, why don't we focus on who we might think is the wolf and less on woe is me, vote for me bullshit?

How about this: I'll vote for vorret or scoop today, even after voting for you. Who would you vote for?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:57 pm

Well, hows about this - I do mind being lynched only to the degree that it's a stupid miss built from a whole 'boogy man' crap that Remus was obviously banking on. I don't know if Lassr is 'behind it', or just the intended stooge. Only thing I know is that I wanted to vote purge since after Bakhtosh, but instead Remus came up and named purge good.... later everyone wanted me tested and thought the purge vote was absurd (not pr0ner). So the idea is that while under no real pressure, Remus exposed himself to a Seer counter-claim and also immediately tossed out all his teammates into the limelight, I would get purge lynched - and then, I, survive for some huge stretch of days, because Unagi doesn't give anyone pause.

OR

Remus came out and named two players - but he knew he would be counter-claimed by the Seer. That Seer-debate would be resolved, but "what do we do with the two he named?"... Lynch 1, ooops? Go for the other?? (Ney or Yeah? ) oops - he exploded...

That, I am pretty sure, was the idea behind Remus and the naming of Chaos and purge. Next day, this was all just 'bonus time' for them... they also must have expected a counter claim - so he named me. I am sure they thought the people they named would be lynched/eventually tested, not spared for the entire game. In fact the way to just about guarantee that, would be to name me.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:01 pm

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:01 pm

Who do you like out of vorret and scoop, Unagi?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:19 pm

Oh man.... I'm so seriously radar buzzed right now from the two emo. I don't really know.. If I was at the end game right now with Vorret and Scoop?

Kinda Vorret, but scoop's posts just always kinda ring a little wierd to me - - but here is the thing with me and Scoop... I get really uneasy when I feel scoop is good, cause I don't want to 'miss' on him, but I am leaning that way... and uneasy about it. I really thought RMC was going to be it.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:21 pm

my vote for you is more on a gut feeling about you which made we wonder about the Remus naming 2 wolves as innocent wild ass theory. Remus did not snooker me into thinking you were bad, i came up with that on my own.

Look I admit you appear very human in a lot of your actions and posts but I can't get over the feeling you are a wolf. I cannot convince others to vote for you due to my gut feeling so I am kind of stuck.

I have not narrowed my focus that I am not looking at others though, that is why Scoop has crept back up my list. There were a few posts of his that just creep me out recently.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:37 pm

pr0ner wrote:Well, why don't we focus on who we might think is the wolf and less on woe is me, vote for me bullshit?

How about this: I'll vote for vorret or scoop today, even after voting for you. Who would you vote for?

I am. I am voting for Unagi.

I also have 2 votes against me. So tell the ones voting against me to remove their votes and let's find the wolf then.

If you do not think it is Unagi and the others do not then all I can do is play along and hope I am wrong.

Of your two choices Scoop has felt more wolfish over the past few pages than vorret.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:42 pm

Well, I'm not voting for Unagi. You and LM's vote for me stuff is too much pitiful tru1cy/scoop play that annoys me to make me think you're wolves right now. Theohall's obviously good. That leaves vorret and scoop.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:47 pm

pr0ner wrote:Well, I'm not voting for Unagi. You and LM's vote for me stuff is too much pitiful tru1cy/scoop play that annoys me to make me think you're wolves right now. Theohall's obviously good. That leaves vorret and scoop.

Look I would not have said a thing if I had zero votes but if everyone (or a majority) thinks I am a wolf do it now. It will not work out well if I am left on the last day otherwise. It is for the benefit of the village not a woe is me move.

I am fine with staying alive and if I survive to the last day then I also would expect an open mind on finding the last wolf because it would not be me.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:11 pm

vorret

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:47 am

I'm a non-wolf human creeper. I creep up your threat lists and into your hearts.

)

Why Lassr?

I dislike Lassr's reason for voting for Unagi. Unagi's analysis of Remus seems correct to me (and what I would have done had I been Remus).

So Lassr's reasoning seems manufactured.

That's my thoughts. Please disregard if you want us to win. 99% chance I am wrong again. 1% I'm right. But I play with the cards I am dealt.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:48 am

My issue with the woe is me crap, usually a wolf winds up being one of the woe is me jerks. Seen it too often where someone places a self-vote and others back off only to find the self-voter was a wolf.

Lord Mortis

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:53 am

theohall wrote:My issue with the woe is me crap, usually a wolf winds up being one of the woe is me jerks. Seen it too often where someone places a self-vote and others back off only to find the self-voter was a wolf.

Lord Mortis

Is that your only reason for LM?

LM has been pretty consistent about answering people's concerns about his actions and at least explaining why he did things.

I don't read him as a wolf. 99% I'm wrong though do maybe this is the right play. Ugh, I feel like I'm in a Seinfeld episode.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:57 am

Scoop20906 wrote:
theohall wrote:My issue with the woe is me crap, usually a wolf winds up being one of the woe is me jerks. Seen it too often where someone places a self-vote and others back off only to find the self-voter was a wolf.

Lord Mortis

Is that your only reason for LM?

LM has been pretty consistent about answering people's concerns about his actions and at least explaining why he did things.

I don't read him as a wolf. 99% I'm wrong though do maybe this is the right play. Ugh, I feel like I'm in a Seinfeld episode.

Heck, No! It helps emphasize why him. Right now, though, your lack of info about what I have said irt Lord Mortis smacks of an intentionally ignoring the game wolf.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:00 am

if I was to reach end game, I'd prefer to reach it with only one of the two "safer" player.
If I had to pick between Scoop and Pr0ner, I'd prefer to be left with pr0ner and someone else.