Just the amount of ammo discharged in a burst can be costly. A friend of my brother's (and obvious gun nut) had an AK-47 that a guy gave him a Derringer in return for letting him fire a burst. I remember with some amusement him telling my brother that he had ordered a kit to make one of his guns fully automatic, and when it was delivered, noticed some suspicious people hanging around outside that he deduced was ATF agents waiting for him to take possession. He refused the delivery.LawBeefaroni wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 4:38 pmThey pay by the hour to shoot them at a range. Machine guns are highly regulated and difficult to acquire legally. As such, they're a novelty.
Ranges in Vegas print money renting out machine guns.
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I feel bad reacting to this more than the NYC story but we're used to cops abusing overtime and treating arestees like shit.Brian wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:39 am Officers Slaughter Pet Boa and 34 other Snakes
https://www.usarkfl.net/news/13162309
Killing those snakes like that is shocking.
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As someone who loves snakes I find this all disturbing.
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As someone who is mostly indifferent to snakes, this is still infuriating.
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"Snakes > cops" is something that would have never occurred to me, but here we are.
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Evil cops strike again.
I heard about this on Josh and Ken's podcast. Go to minute 16.
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I had no idea that they had invented a special cause-of-death to explain police-related fatalities.
Canadian coroners starting to reject excited delirium as cause of police-related deaths
Canadian coroners starting to reject excited delirium as cause of police-related deaths
As a coroner's jury takes their seats Monday in the inquest into the death of Myles Gray, they may hear arguments that his death was the result of something called excited delirium, and not the actions of Vancouver police officers.
Excited delirium has also been cited by Ottawa police officers in connection with the death of Abdirahman Abdi during a violent arrest, a coroner's jury looking into a death in a New Brunswick jail, senior RCMP officers after the death of Robert Dziekanski at Vancouver's airport, and defence lawyers for the American officer who murdered George Floyd.
The highly contentious term describes a state of agitation, aggression and distress generally linked to drug use or mental illness, and it's been used as an explanation for sudden, unexpected deaths during interactions with police.
It was one of several possible explanations given by a forensic pathologist for the death of Gray, an unarmed 33-year-old who died in 2015 after being handcuffed, hobbled, punched, kneed, kicked, pepper-sprayed and struck with a baton by several Vancouver officers. He was making a delivery for his florist business at the time, and police had been called after he confronted a homeowner for watering her lawn during an extended drought.
I would suggest that if a gaggle of cops is beating someone to death, perhaps their victim is not the one that is excited or delirious.Police officers are often trained on identifying and responding to excited delirium. An online description for a one-hour course on the subject offered through the Canadian Police Knowledge Network and designed by the Calgary Police Service claims it "accounts for the majority of custody-related deaths."
The current Vancouver Police Department regulation and procedures manual says officers should be aware of the signs of excited delirium. Some of the officers on the scene when Myles Gray died said they believed he was suffering from excited delirium, according to a report completed for an investigation overseen by B.C.'s Office of the Police Complaint Commissioner.
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NIH, 2011
EXD is not a currently recognized medical or psychiatric diagnosis according to either the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IVTR) of the American Psychiatric Association or the International Classification of Diseases (ICD-9) of the World Health Organization.
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Isg's signature is a perfect final statement for pretty much every post in R&P and many outside.Isgrimnur wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2023 2:51 pm NIH, 2011
EXD is not a currently recognized medical or psychiatric diagnosis according to either the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IVTR) of the American Psychiatric Association or the International Classification of Diseases (ICD-9) of the World Health Organization.
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There is
some evidence it was made up to protect the police and Taser Intl.
More accurately perhaps is that someone tried to explain a pattern and it was seized upon by both to avoid civil lawsuits.
some evidence it was made up to protect the police and Taser Intl.
More accurately perhaps is that someone tried to explain a pattern and it was seized upon by both to avoid civil lawsuits.
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CNN
Myles Cosgrove, one of the Louisville Metro Police officers involved in the 2020 shooting of Breonna Taylor, has been recently hired by the Carroll County Sheriff’s Office, Cosgrove’s attorney told CNN.
The move prompted the family of Breonna Taylor to release a statement expressing “disgust” and “disappointment” the officer who fired the fatal bullet in the botched raid was hired by a sheriff’s office only 50 miles away from Louisville.
Cosgrove – the detective whose bullet ultimately killed Taylor according to the Kentucky Attorney General – began working for the Carroll County Sheriff’s Office on April 20, Sheriff Ryan Gosser told CNN affiliate WAVE.
The sheriff told WAVE his office did a normal background check prior to hiring Cosgrove, and pointed out Cosgrove was never indicted.
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Even worse, it appears as if he was ordered to pass a mental health exam (after failing one previously and having his gun ownership rights revoked), and VA Cops covered it up to hire him (per the family's attorney)Pyperkub wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 5:04 pm Former Virginia cop apparently hits on teenager, kidnaps her and murders her family...
According to police, Edwards had developed an online relationship with the teen and obtained her personal information. He then traveled from Virginia to Riverside, where he parked his vehicle in a neighbor’s driveway and walked to the teen’s home, the release stated. At some point, authorities believe Edwards murdered the teen’s grandfather, grandmother and mother before walking back to his vehicle with the teen and leaving.
Several hours after the bodies were found, Edwards was spotted driving with the teen through San Bernardino County, police said.
According to the legal notice, which was obtained by The Times, Virginia State Police officials “ordered” a mental health evaluation of Edwards after he disclosed a 2016 incident in which he visited a mental health facility. After Edwards failed the evaluation, state police “deliberately buried” the results and hired him, the family’s lawyers allege.
The Virginia State Police declined to comment. ...
...Edwards told the Virginia State Police during a job interview that he went to a mental health facility in 2016. That incident, in which Edwards cut himself and threatened to kill his father, triggered two custody orders and led a judge to revoke his gun ownership rights.
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An attorney for an 11-year-old Mississippi boy who was shot by a police officer after he called 911 for help said Thursday there was “no way” the boy could have been mistaken for an adult.
The attorney, Carlos Moore, is asking for “a full and transparent investigation” of the shooting.
Aderrien Murry is recovering after being released from the hospital, according to his family, who has called for the officer to be fired and charged with the shooting. The boy is traumatized and will require counseling, according to Moore.
Aderrien was shot in the chest by an Indianola Police Department officer early Saturday morning while the officer was responding to a domestic disturbance call at the child’s home, according to his mother, Nakala Murry, and the Mississippi Bureau of Investigation.
Moore told CNN Thursday there is “no way” the boy could have been mistaken by the officer for the adult who was the subject of the 911 call – a man “over 6 feet tall.”
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The boy was seriously injured and suffered a collapsed lung, fractured ribs and a lacerated liver from the shooting. He was released from the University of Mississippi Medical Center in Jackson on Wednesday, hospital spokesperson Annie Oeth said.
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This thread may well need the Consent Agreement after the DOJ investigation in the George Floyd aftermath...
Systemic problems such as...The Minneapolis Police Department routinely used excessive force and discriminated against Black and Native American people in the years before one of its officers killed George Floyd, federal authorities said Friday.
In an 89-page report that followed a more than two-year federal civil rights investigation, the Justice Department excoriated the Minneapolis police force as an agency that put officers and local residents at unnecessary risk, failed to act upon repeated warnings about biased behavior and countenanced the “systemic problems” that gave way to Floyd’s death in 2020.
Officers were “quick to use force on unarmed people, even without reasonable suspicion that they are involved in a crime or are a threat,” the report said. Investigators also said they found numerous examples of police giving someone an order, and then almost immediately using force on them.
Investigators concluded that the Minneapolis police disproportionately stopped and searched Black and Native American people, and used force more frequently during stops of these people than they do during stops of White people under similar circumstances.
A lack of accountability is presented in the report as a pervasive problem for the Minneapolis police, and one that directly contributes to the other issues highlighted in the report, the Justice Department said. The Minneapolis police “accountability system is fundamentally flawed,” the report said, calling it “an opaque maze.”
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Holy f*cking sh*t!
During the January 24 incident, deputies “forced their entry into the premises from several entry points without a warrant,” and with no “reasonable suspicion or probable cause” for entering the home, the lawsuit said.
The sheriff has previously said the deputies were at the home on that day for drug enforcement activities, CNN affiliate WAPT reported.
Jenkins and Parker were handcuffed when the deputies, who had turned their body-worn cameras off, began punching and slapping them, according to the lawsuit. “Throughout the nearly two-hour ordeal, the six deputies would punch and beat two handcuffed men at will, hurting and humiliating both Jenkins and Parker. Deputies also repeatedly and gratuitously kicked the men as if they were animals while they lay subdued and handcuffed,” the lawsuit says.
Additionally, the deputies waterboarded Jenkins and Parker by “continuously pouring the liquids on their faces while both men were handcuffed … and forced on their backs,” according to the lawsuit.
During these acts, the deputies used “vicious racial slurs,” including the n-word and “monkey” and accused them of “dating White women,” the suit alleges.
“In their repeated use of racial slurs in the course of their violent acts, (the deputies) were oppressive and hateful against their African- American victims. Defendants were motivated on the basis of race and the color of the skin of the persons they assaulted,” the lawsuit states.
The lawsuit also alleges that multiple deputies attempted to use a sexual device against Jenkins and Parker, threw eggs at them and forced them to shower together.
The deputies had “custody and control” of Jenkins and Parker during the incident, and neither of the men resisted or tried to run from the deputies, the lawsuit says.
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While this might not be at the same direct level as what's been posted in this thread, I do think it speaks volumes as to how they look at outsiders:
They've got it figured out - no help needed.No one has called a 24/7 city hotline to help NYPD officers determine whether to force someone to undergo a psychiatric evaluation, a resource launched by Mayor Eric Adams’ administration as he sought to involuntarily hospitalize people unable to meet their basic needs.
NYC Health + Hospitals, which operates the hotline, disclosed the information to POLITICO Friday in response to a public records request for data on calls since it went live on Jan. 31.
Adams announced the hotline last November alongside the rollout of his controversial involuntary removals directive, touting it as a tool to guide police officers who encounter someone in crisis and are unsure whether it is appropriate to force the person to a hospital.
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“State law already authorizes a police officer to make a judgment call to have a person involuntarily removed to a hospital. But many officers feel uneasy using this authority when they have any doubt that the person in crisis meets the criteria,” Adams said in a Nov. 29 address announcing the directive. “The hotline will allow an officer to describe what they are seeing to a clinical professional, or even use video calling, to get an expert opinion on what options may be available.”
A City Hall spokesperson noted that use of the hotline is optional for NYPD officers.
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Missed this from a few weeks ago:
Governor Ned Lamont said an investigation was being launched after a damning new audit found there is a “high likelihood” hundreds of Connecticut State Police troopers collectively falsified tens of thousands traffic ticket records over much of the past decade.
The findings, presented at a public meeting Wednesday, allege systemic violations of state law and that the misreporting skewed racial profiling data making it appear troopers ticketed more white drivers and fewer minority motorists than they really did.
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The report found there was a “high likelihood” at least 25,966 tickets were falsified between 2014 and 2021. Another 32,587 records over those years showed significant inaccuracies and auditors believe many of those are likely to be false as well.
The auditors emphasized their analysis was extremely conservative, and “the number of falsified records is likely larger than we confidently identified.”
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DOJ launches an investigation into Memphis and the city's police department
The Justice Department has launched an investigation into Memphis and its police department for its use of force, searches and arrests and potential discriminatory policing.
Officials for the DOJ announced the launch of the civil inquiry Thursday saying the goal of the pattern or practice investigation was to find out if there are systemic violations of the Constitution or federal law by the Memphis Police Department.
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This all comes more than seven months after the death of Tyre Nichols, a 29-year-old Black man, who was beaten by officers from the Memphis Police Department.
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I didn't see this mentioned in the thread by searching for canine and dog.
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Is that parody? If not, I'm confused. Was it shoplifting? Contributing to the Diabetes of a Minor?
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To the best of my knowledge, it is not parody.
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Being a cop is as easy as stealing candy from a teenager, I guess?
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Pleading guilty and spending a LOT of time in prison. Also under Federal Investigation:Pyperkub wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:58 pm Holy f*cking sh*t!
During the January 24 incident, deputies “forced their entry into the premises from several entry points without a warrant,” and with no “reasonable suspicion or probable cause” for entering the home, the lawsuit said.
The sheriff has previously said the deputies were at the home on that day for drug enforcement activities, CNN affiliate WAPT reported.
Jenkins and Parker were handcuffed when the deputies, who had turned their body-worn cameras off, began punching and slapping them, according to the lawsuit. “Throughout the nearly two-hour ordeal, the six deputies would punch and beat two handcuffed men at will, hurting and humiliating both Jenkins and Parker. Deputies also repeatedly and gratuitously kicked the men as if they were animals while they lay subdued and handcuffed,” the lawsuit says.
Additionally, the deputies waterboarded Jenkins and Parker by “continuously pouring the liquids on their faces while both men were handcuffed … and forced on their backs,” according to the lawsuit.
During these acts, the deputies used “vicious racial slurs,” including the n-word and “monkey” and accused them of “dating White women,” the suit alleges.
“In their repeated use of racial slurs in the course of their violent acts, (the deputies) were oppressive and hateful against their African- American victims. Defendants were motivated on the basis of race and the color of the skin of the persons they assaulted,” the lawsuit states.
The lawsuit also alleges that multiple deputies attempted to use a sexual device against Jenkins and Parker, threw eggs at them and forced them to shower together.
The deputies had “custody and control” of Jenkins and Parker during the incident, and neither of the men resisted or tried to run from the deputies, the lawsuit says.
Oh, and it gets even worse. This is the reason they were called:The former officers, shackled at their wrists and feet, walked into the courthouse with family members and federal marshals took all six into custody. The defense attorneys did not comment on their clients’ behavior during the court appearance.
“They became the criminals they swore to protect us from,” U.S. Attorney Darren LaMarca said. “Now, they’ll be treated as the criminals as they are.”
U.S. District Judge Tom Lee said the men will be sentenced in mid-November. Dedmon and Elward each face a maximum sentence of 120 years plus life in prison and $2.75 million in fines. Hartfield faces a possible sentence of 80 years and $1.5 million, McAlpin faces 90 years and $1.75 million, Middleton faces 80 years and $1.5 million, and Opdyke could be sentenced to 100 years with a $2 million fine.
The men are scheduled to plead guilty to the state charges on Aug. 14, said Mary-Helen Wall, a deputy state attorney general.
I hope they are suing that neighbor as well.The officers initially went to the home in Braxton because a white neighbor complained Black people were staying with a white woman who owned the house
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Police face complaint over arrest of autistic Leeds teenager
Police have received a complaint after a woman said her autistic daughter was arrested for saying a female officer "looked like her lesbian nana".
A video uploaded to TikTok by her mother showed the girl being detained by seven officers outside her home in Leeds early on Monday 7 August.
Officers said she was taken home after reports that she was intoxicated and at risk in Leeds city centre.
West Yorkshire Police said the video showed a "limited snapshot" of events.
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Given the other weighty topics shown here, it seems to me a little quaint when a small town PD tramples on Freedom of the Press - but still worth noticing.
I really don't know what the magistrate was thinking signing that search warrant.MARION, Kan. (AP) — A small central Kansas police department is facing a torrent of criticism for raiding a local newspaper’s office and the home of its owner and publisher, seizing computers and cellphones, and, in the publisher’s view, stressing his 98-year-old mother enough to cause her weekend death.
Several press freedom watchdogs condemned the Marion Police Department’s actions as a blatant violation of the U.S. Constitution’s protection for a free press. The Marion County Record’s editor and publisher, Eric Meyer, worked with his staff Sunday to reconstruct stories, ads and other materials for its next edition Wednesday, even as he took time in the afternoon to provide a local funeral home with information about his mother, Joan, the paper’s co-owner.
A search warrant tied Friday morning raids, led by Marion Police Chief Gideon Cody, to a dispute between the newspaper and a local restaurant owner, Kari Newell. She is accusing the newspaper of invading her privacy and illegally accessing information about her and her driving record and suggested that the newspaper targeted her after she threw Meyer and a reporter out of restaurant during a political event.
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Six Mississippi officers plead guilty in torture case of two Black men
All six had already admitted their guilt to the crimes in federal court.
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The prosecutor recommended only five years of prison time Monday on the first charge and five on the second, with the sentences running concurrently, meaning they would be out after five years.
They will face federal sentencing on Nov. 3.
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You know it's bad when almost half of a 100 person department has been investigated by the FBI and multiple arrests made....
The hammer finally dropped on Bay Area law enforcement officers who were arrested by FBI agents Thursday morning in connection to an 18-month investigation.
“Today is a dark day in our city’s history, as people trusted to uphold the law, allegedly breached that trust and were arrested by the FBI. ...
...A sweeping 18-month investigation began in early 2022 as a narrow probe into officers who allegedly cheated on college tests to obtain salary raises. FBI agents dug into the cheating scandal and opened a “Pandora’s box” of unethical, and potentially criminal, behavior among officers, a source told KRON4. Federal investigators narrowed in on officers who potentially committed civil rights violations.
When the FBI seized Antioch police officers’ professional and private cellphones, agents found chains of text messages exchanged between as many as 45 Antioch officers. The texts contained racial slurs and described violence officers inflicted against suspects, court records show.
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Thu is a tough one. Pregnant African American woman shoplifts from a Kroger (there is video evidence), is stopped by the police in her parked car outside in the parking lot. She refuses orders to leave, hits the gas and strikes a police officer standing in front of the car, he fires, killing her.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/takiya-yo ... =103086808
You can find video of the shooting online if you want.
It’s all so senseless, but to me, the officer was justified. She just made a series of very bad choices. She stole, she refused to leave her vehicle when ordered, and she tried to drive off with a police officer in front of her. Maybe the officer made a poor choice to stand in front of her car, but even so, you don’t drive off with a police officer in front of your car. Am I wrong here?
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/takiya-yo ... =103086808
You can find video of the shooting online if you want.
It’s all so senseless, but to me, the officer was justified. She just made a series of very bad choices. She stole, she refused to leave her vehicle when ordered, and she tried to drive off with a police officer in front of her. Maybe the officer made a poor choice to stand in front of her car, but even so, you don’t drive off with a police officer in front of your car. Am I wrong here?
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Yeah, that seems justified to me. I saw the bodycam footage and it looks like he only fired one round.
I think that lawyer is an ambulance chaser. Just looking to get a quick buck. I'm sure the city will end up settling because it will be cheaper in the long run
I love how this lady was a "shining beacon" to her kids. Yes, definitely a good rolemodel on how to shoplift.
It's not like she was shoplifting baby formula she was shoplifting alcohol which she shouldn't even be having if pregnant.
Plus she knew she was a thief and tried denying it as an excuse to drive off.
I feel bad for the kids and the unborn baby but no empathy for the mother. As you mentioned she made poor decisions.
Also, I can't believe the attorney is trying to push the idea that she wasn't trying to hit the cop because she was turning the wheel. That cop was only aboyt a foot in front of the car. No matter how tight your turning is you're gonna hit domeone that close to you. She knew what she was doing.
I think that lawyer is an ambulance chaser. Just looking to get a quick buck. I'm sure the city will end up settling because it will be cheaper in the long run
I love how this lady was a "shining beacon" to her kids. Yes, definitely a good rolemodel on how to shoplift.
It's not like she was shoplifting baby formula she was shoplifting alcohol which she shouldn't even be having if pregnant.
Plus she knew she was a thief and tried denying it as an excuse to drive off.
I feel bad for the kids and the unborn baby but no empathy for the mother. As you mentioned she made poor decisions.
Also, I can't believe the attorney is trying to push the idea that she wasn't trying to hit the cop because she was turning the wheel. That cop was only aboyt a foot in front of the car. No matter how tight your turning is you're gonna hit domeone that close to you. She knew what she was doing.
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Re: Cops behaving badly
You're not wrong, but last I checked none of those things are a capital offense that warrant summary execution.Grifman wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:33 am She just made a series of very bad choices. She stole, she refused to leave her vehicle when ordered, and she tried to drive off with a police officer in front of her. Maybe the officer made a poor choice to stand in front of her car, but even so, you don’t drive off with a police officer in front of your car. Am I wrong here?
She absolutely should be in a metric shitton of trouble. She shouldn't be dead.
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She committed assault with a deadly weapon. Her car was the equivalent of her pointing a gun at them.Skinypupy wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:59 amYou're not wrong, but last I checked none of those things are a capital offense that warrant summary execution.Grifman wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:33 am She just made a series of very bad choices. She stole, she refused to leave her vehicle when ordered, and she tried to drive off with a police officer in front of her. Maybe the officer made a poor choice to stand in front of her car, but even so, you don’t drive off with a police officer in front of your car. Am I wrong here?
She absolutely should be in a metric shitton of trouble. She shouldn't be dead.
IF she had complied when they told her to get out she should still be alive. If she just sat in her car not moving but not getting out she should still be alive.
She choose to hit the cop with her car. It's not summary execution it's self defense.
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Re: Cops behaving badly
OR...the cop could have moved a few feet to his right and stood to the side of the car instead of in front of it.Punisher wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:05 amShe committed assault with a deadly weapon. Her car was the equivalent of her pointing a gun at them.Skinypupy wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:59 amYou're not wrong, but last I checked none of those things are a capital offense that warrant summary execution.Grifman wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:33 am She just made a series of very bad choices. She stole, she refused to leave her vehicle when ordered, and she tried to drive off with a police officer in front of her. Maybe the officer made a poor choice to stand in front of her car, but even so, you don’t drive off with a police officer in front of your car. Am I wrong here?
She absolutely should be in a metric shitton of trouble. She shouldn't be dead.
IF she had complied when they told her to get out she should still be alive. If she just sat in her car not moving but not getting out she should still be alive.
She choose to hit the cop with her car. It's not summary execution it's self defense.
Then no one dies.
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Re: Cops behaving badly
Victim blamer.
I recently watched a video (god, I usually avoid them like the plague) which had multiple camera angles from dashcams and body cams, and a woman just refused to get out. She plowed into a police officer (who was uninjured, but he did bounce off and land hard. Could have gone differently if he had gone under the bumper). It would have been comical if it wasn't so serious. I have no idea what the driver was thinking. All her tires were blown, she was in the middle of traffic, there were 5+ cop cars and a swarm of cops. There is just no way this turns out better than being arrested. So get out and get arrested. It's the best case scenario.
Instead she put many police and public in danger, including her kid in the kid seat in the back, and thousands of dollars of damage. She got out protesting her innocence. It was bizarre. Drugs maybe? Didn't appear to be. Mental handicap? I can't imagine any handicap that impairs cognition enough for this to happen but not to prevent getting a driver's license.
To the cops' credit, while they had their guns trained on her the whole time, no one fired. I thought it was a miracle of restraint. They had boxed her in and had her stopped multiple times only for her to plow her way through again (larger SUV). Lots of clear orders that were ignored.
So I just want to say that I fully understand that not every cop is out there executing people. I always did, and when I need them, I'm calling the cops myself.
In the meantime, they need more regulation and oversight, because holy hell they can't be trusted to use their own judgement too often.
In the case above, pregnant woman ignores cop, kills cop, dies to cop bullet, I'm not going to be outraged. And, quite frankly, I don't want to have to judge the details of every single instance of questionable outcomes. I just don't have the time or energy.
I recently watched a video (god, I usually avoid them like the plague) which had multiple camera angles from dashcams and body cams, and a woman just refused to get out. She plowed into a police officer (who was uninjured, but he did bounce off and land hard. Could have gone differently if he had gone under the bumper). It would have been comical if it wasn't so serious. I have no idea what the driver was thinking. All her tires were blown, she was in the middle of traffic, there were 5+ cop cars and a swarm of cops. There is just no way this turns out better than being arrested. So get out and get arrested. It's the best case scenario.
Instead she put many police and public in danger, including her kid in the kid seat in the back, and thousands of dollars of damage. She got out protesting her innocence. It was bizarre. Drugs maybe? Didn't appear to be. Mental handicap? I can't imagine any handicap that impairs cognition enough for this to happen but not to prevent getting a driver's license.
To the cops' credit, while they had their guns trained on her the whole time, no one fired. I thought it was a miracle of restraint. They had boxed her in and had her stopped multiple times only for her to plow her way through again (larger SUV). Lots of clear orders that were ignored.
So I just want to say that I fully understand that not every cop is out there executing people. I always did, and when I need them, I'm calling the cops myself.
In the meantime, they need more regulation and oversight, because holy hell they can't be trusted to use their own judgement too often.
In the case above, pregnant woman ignores cop, kills cop, dies to cop bullet, I'm not going to be outraged. And, quite frankly, I don't want to have to judge the details of every single instance of questionable outcomes. I just don't have the time or energy.
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Re: Cops behaving badly
I think paet of rhe problem is that there seems to be a push in general that all cops are either murders or covering up for other cops that are.
There just can't be cops who stay out of yrouble and do their jobs. They ate all corrupt to the core.
I've never agreed with this. Also people don't seem to realize that IF this was true we'd see a TON more deaths by cops, especially before body and phone cams were a thing.
I KNOW there are bad cops out there and they should be weeded out. But I also believe that the vadt majority of them are just out thete doing their jobs and not getting up in the morning guessing how many people they can abuse or kill and get away with it.
Even the cop here. I think it's fully justified shooting. The cop may know it is as well.
He still has to go home knowing that he took 2 lives, one of them definitely innocent.
Maybe he'll recover from that maybe he won't. Maybe once it all settles he'll have to quit due to PTSD. We may never know.
There just can't be cops who stay out of yrouble and do their jobs. They ate all corrupt to the core.
I've never agreed with this. Also people don't seem to realize that IF this was true we'd see a TON more deaths by cops, especially before body and phone cams were a thing.
I KNOW there are bad cops out there and they should be weeded out. But I also believe that the vadt majority of them are just out thete doing their jobs and not getting up in the morning guessing how many people they can abuse or kill and get away with it.
Even the cop here. I think it's fully justified shooting. The cop may know it is as well.
He still has to go home knowing that he took 2 lives, one of them definitely innocent.
Maybe he'll recover from that maybe he won't. Maybe once it all settles he'll have to quit due to PTSD. We may never know.
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