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Yeah, I keep seeing this shared around social media as some sort of "inspirational moment" or "see, there is still beauty in the world". Um...no.
As I said....Russia's plan all along has been to try to re-institute the Soviet-bloc. However, the point stands that we keep meddling into other country's politics and is continually gets us engaged in situations like this.
Yes because if we give up our spot as the World's super power and withdraw from all international relations that will work out real great for us. I mean what could go wrong with letting Russia install puppet governments all over Eastern Europe?
Because the thread moves fast:Skinypupy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:29 amYeah, I keep seeing this shared around social media as some sort of "inspirational moment" or "see, there is still beauty in the world". Um...no.
A child whose only option to sing is doing so in a bomb shelter during an active bombardment as her city is destroyed is one of the most depressing things I can think of.
LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:22 pmThat's being passed around as some kind of happy, inspiring video but it's incredibly sad to me. She's in a bomb shelter in the middle of a war zone and stands a relatively high chance of being killed in the coming days or weeks. But we'll send some aid and implement partial sanctions!
I thought it was meant to show the innocence of children, not some sort of inspirational moment.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:53 amBecause the thread moves fast:Skinypupy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:29 amYeah, I keep seeing this shared around social media as some sort of "inspirational moment" or "see, there is still beauty in the world". Um...no.
A child whose only option to sing is doing so in a bomb shelter during an active bombardment as her city is destroyed is one of the most depressing things I can think of.
LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:22 pmThat's being passed around as some kind of happy, inspiring video but it's incredibly sad to me. She's in a bomb shelter in the middle of a war zone and stands a relatively high chance of being killed in the coming days or weeks. But we'll send some aid and implement partial sanctions!
Assuming the Ukrainians were able to oust their president in 2014 with our help, why didn't Russia try the same playbook again? Do you think perhaps Russia knew the Ukrainian people were going to vote against another puppet president? I mean, you're Russia. You have two options with respect to Ukraine. 1 - try to get your man elected president. 2 - Invade. Why do you think they didn't try option 1 again?
Dr. Seuss would like a word with you, msd:
The political right has a history of expressing admiration for Putin in recent years, so I would say that's a more concerning disconnect. I wish they would figure that out.
Afghans are tweeting roadside device instructions and examples to Ukrainians....
I don't know how I feel about this.
To clarify: it's not the motivations of the afghans that is throwing me, it's logging on to Twitter and seeing mortars converted.
Why is that a disconnect? Putin isn't a leftist, or a socialist, or a communist. He's an authoritarian ethnonationalist strongman. He's exactly what the right aspires to be.
If I can add some clarifications, this wasn’t a military backed coup but a revolution by people against a repressive regime who used brutal police state tactics to try and smother the people’s desire for better relations with Europe which was supported by their parliament and the desire for a functioning democracy vs a kleptocracy backed by Russia. He may have been fairly elected but his actions in office led the people to say “enough”. Also as with many revolts against strongmen it’s the government that has the bullets but the people had the courage to say no more. Do some reading about the Maidan Uprising also called the Revolution of Dignity. Even after the revolution there was still entrenched corruption which my brother in law complained about often but one got the sense that perhaps things were slowly moving towards a better direction with the newest president. Well until the Ukraine was invaded.msduncan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:25 amYou will never see me picking Russia's side since I've long been convinced that the old guard Soviets (ie Putin) never truly abandoned their original positions. The Soviet Union was merely rebranded so that they could suck in US aid and trade to get them through the economic crisis in the 1990s, and they have been waiting and trying to figure out a way to re-boot since then.raydude wrote: ↑Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:47 amYup. I scanned his Twitter feed today. He definitely has picked a side, and it ain't the country that's being invaded. The cherry on top is he's insinuating that US foreign policy has driven Russia to invade Ukraine.Max Peck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:05 pm This Clint Erlich chap seems to be very popular with right-wing Americans, so I can only presume that he knows what he's talking about when it comes to gaslighting. I'm sure his analysis is not influenced by his apparent pro-Russian, anti-Ukraine view of the conflict. After scanning his Twitter feed, it seems like he's working very hard to portray the Ukrainian government as the bad guys.
That being said -- The US did shadow fund the Coop in 2014 to oust an elected pro-Russian, anti-NATO leader in Ukraine. The elections that put him there had international observers that deemed them to be fair. Russia has been planning this war ever since. Therefore, the United States does not have clean hands on this matter.
Because they try to present themselves as the opposite. How you and I perceive them is not relevant.Max Peck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:17 pmWhy is that a disconnect? Putin isn't a leftist, or a socialist, or a communist. He's an authoritarian ethnonationalist strongman. He's exactly what the right aspires to be.
He's an authoritarian ethnonationalist strongman exactly how the Soviet communist party trained him to be, in the very mint poured from the Soviet mold. Also, not coincidentally, the eventual path every communist experiment has gone in the last century.Max Peck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:17 pmWhy is that a disconnect? Putin isn't a leftist, or a socialist, or a communist. He's an authoritarian ethnonationalist strongman. He's exactly what the right aspires to be.
msduncan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:39 pm Also, it's time for me to check out again. I should have taken the warning sign when about 30% of this thread about a Ukrainian/Russian war was filled with Republican bashing that even this topic was unsafe to return to ( I mean we had one post wishing they could push a button and eliminate all of the GOP). Have a great day fellas. We aren't enemies like you seem to think we are. I hope for Ukraine to win this thing, and for the old Soviet guard to finally be disposed of once and for all. However, I also hope this whole thing stymies the march towards Marxism in this country, which has accelerated over the past decade among the youth, and the policies pushed by the left.
I'll nitpick a little there...but I definitely agree about the economies of scale part.Holman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:27 pm I think our money is better spent on direct contributions to aid groups. Most AirBnB hosts are probably on the up and up, but there's a definite possibility of scammers, plus you're filtering your contribution through an individual's real-estate investment rather than taking advantage of the economies of scale that aid groups enjoy.
You came into this thread right after I posted that a Twitter user was right-wing and favored the Russians. If your point was to say that "Not all right-wingers support Russia" then you could have made the point more strongly. As it was, you implied that the invasion was partly our fault for "not having clean hands". If that's not excusing Russia then I don't know what is.msduncan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:39 pm Also, it's time for me to check out again. I should have taken the warning sign when about 30% of this thread about a Ukrainian/Russian war was filled with Republican bashing that even this topic was unsafe to return to ( I mean we had one post wishing they could push a button and eliminate all of the GOP). Have a great day fellas. We aren't enemies like you seem to think we are. I hope for Ukraine to win this thing, and for the old Soviet guard to finally be disposed of once and for all. However, I also hope this whole thing stymies the march towards Marxism in this country, which has accelerated over the past decade among the youth, and the policies pushed by the left.
More like this, please.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:52 pm Macdonald's bows to pressure, closes all 850 locations in Russia.
As much as I hate to admit it, moves like this are huge because they cut through the censorship and media control. No Big Macs is no Big Macs, regardless of how it's spun.
Yes, please. I don't give to charity often. Not nearly as often as I should and this has moved me to do so and I feel like I should do much more. It sort of sheds light on all of the wars I've looked past as well.
I consider myself something of a marxist, and believe me when I say marxism isn't your problem. It isn't Russia's problem either, coincidentally. Russian oppression goes waaay back.msduncan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:39 pm Also, it's time for me to check out again. I should have taken the warning sign when about 30% of this thread about a Ukrainian/Russian war was filled with Republican bashing that even this topic was unsafe to return to ( I mean we had one post wishing they could push a button and eliminate all of the GOP). Have a great day fellas. We aren't enemies like you seem to think we are. I hope for Ukraine to win this thing, and for the old Soviet guard to finally be disposed of once and for all. However, I also hope this whole thing stymies the march towards Marxism in this country, which has accelerated over the past decade among the youth, and the policies pushed by the left.
Well fucking said.Lagom Lite wrote: ↑Tue Mar 08, 2022 3:25 pmI consider myself something of a marxist, and believe me when I say marxism isn't your problem. It isn't Russia's problem either, coincidentally. Russian oppression goes waaay back.msduncan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:39 pm Also, it's time for me to check out again. I should have taken the warning sign when about 30% of this thread about a Ukrainian/Russian war was filled with Republican bashing that even this topic was unsafe to return to ( I mean we had one post wishing they could push a button and eliminate all of the GOP). Have a great day fellas. We aren't enemies like you seem to think we are. I hope for Ukraine to win this thing, and for the old Soviet guard to finally be disposed of once and for all. However, I also hope this whole thing stymies the march towards Marxism in this country, which has accelerated over the past decade among the youth, and the policies pushed by the left.
Look, the worker's movements in 19th century Europe, including the part that went by the Communist moniker, wanted to increase the power and influence of the working class. Regular Joes, if you will. In western and northern Europe, this went the way of labor union organizing and towards democracy (often in alliance with buorgeois liberals). The Bolsheviks in Russia were obviously not doing this.
The Bolsheviks instead did the Russian thing, which goes back hundreds of years to ol' Ivan. The KGB was essentially the Czarist secret police, repurposed and turned up to eleven. Scientific socialism (marxism), originally intended to provide a framework for understanding the historic struggles of the oppressed, was repurposed into a totalitarian state religion, complete with a pope (Stalin's cult of personality), dogma and zealous inquisition.
It's very sad that Russia can't ever seem to shake their penchant for authoritarian strongmen.
McDonald's has decided to temporarily close all our restaurants in Russia and pause all operations in the market," CEO Chris Kempczinski said in a statement Tuesday.
There were 847 locations of McDonald's in Russia at the close of last year, according to an investor document.
