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Blackhawk wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:28 pm I'll ask it again separately, because most people are probably tuning the other discussion out:

If we had a great bill in hand right now, and figured out the best combination of reforms to prevent this from happening again, what would we do with it? Where would it go?

Blackhawk wrote:I'll ask it again separately, because most people are probably tuning the other discussion out:

If we had a great bill in hand right now, and figured out the best combination of reforms to prevent this from happening again, what would we do with it? Where would it go?

dbt1949 wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:08 pm One of the problems is that children are shooting children. Maybe our society needs to change the way they think.

Blackhawk wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 10:13 pm I swear to god, I feel like I'm having the same conversation twice. And yes, Schumer plans to force a vote for exactly that reason, hoping to affect the midterms, hoping to give the Democrats another chance. In other words, we're using unpassable gun control legislation as a tool to fix the government. I just think it is a particularly risky tool, as it is one that has a history of energizing the right and driving them to vote, so it has the potential to backfire.

Blackhawk wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 10:13 pm I swear to god, I feel like I'm having the same conversation twice. And yes, Schumer plans to force a vote for exactly that reason, hoping to affect the midterms, hoping to give the Democrats another chance. In other words, we're using unpassable gun control legislation as a tool to fix the government. I just think it is a particularly risky tool, as it is one that has a history of energizing the right and driving them to vote, so it has the potential to backfire.

Unagi wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:38 pm No joke: a good deal of "the problem with this Government" is truly "a problem with the voters in Kentucky"

Unagi wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:11 am

Unagi wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:38 pm No joke: a good deal of "the problem with this Government" is truly "a problem with the voters in Kentucky"

Unagi wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:10 am I mean, it's not really being used as a tool to fix the government, as slow as these iterations take - this is kinda how the government was designed to work. Learn how a man will vote on an issue -> decide if you want to vote for him.

Major Republican donors, including some that have contributed to Gov. Greg Abbott’s campaigns, joined other conservative Texans in signing an open letter supporting congressional action to increase gun restrictions in response to the mass shooting in Uvalde that left 19 children and two teachers dead last week.

Smoove_B wrote: Tue Jun 07, 2022 10:02 am Hey look, someone took the "Swiss cheese" model that was popularized during the early days of the pandemic and re-created it for firearm death:

LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:02 am

Smoove_B wrote: Tue Jun 07, 2022 10:02 am Hey look, someone took the "Swiss cheese" model that was popularized during the early days of the pandemic and re-created it for firearm death:

Even if you could find swiss cheese that big, it wouldn't stop head-sized cannon balls.

Douglas K. Uhde, the man accused of shooting and killing former Juneau County Circuit Court Judge John Roemer, died Tuesday after being in critical condition for four days, according to a news release from the Wisconsin Department of Justice.

Uhde, 56, was declared legally brain-dead at 9:41 a.m. Saturday and his body remained on life-support until Tuesday to allow for organ donation, the release said.
Judge Roemer, 68, was killed Friday in a New Lisbon, Wisconsin, home, the state's Justice Department said in a statement. Uhde was identified as a suspect, and was found in the basement of the home with an "apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound," according to the state DOJ.

It was later revealed that Uhde had been sentenced to prison by the judge more than 15 years ago, court documents show.

Decades of feminization, emasculation, and preferential hiring account for America’s low-intelligence, self-serving workforce. This malevolent matriarchy in the making increasingly lacks the higher-order capacity for altruism and heroism.

hepcat wrote: Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:22 am My die hard extreme right coworker just posted a link to an article about the Uvalde shooting. According to its summary, we've been blaming the wrong things

Decades of feminization, emasculation, and preferential hiring account for America’s low-intelligence, self-serving workforce. This malevolent matriarchy in the making increasingly lacks the higher-order capacity for altruism and heroism.

Christ, you can't make this shit up. There are people out there who think this.

In a final bit of irony, this hateful article, which starts off complaining about gay rights, ends with a quote from Oscar Wilde. Someone isn't as smart as they think they are, methinks.

YellowKing wrote: Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:02 pm Three were injured at a mall food court in Gastonia today when shooting broke out (right near my dad's place). Fortunately nobody was killed, so you won't hear about it. Those are the nearly daily incidents that are occurring but never break through to national discussion.

Total Shot: 103
Shot & Killed: 20
Shot & Wounded: 83

Year To Date
Total Shot: 1333
Shot & Killed: 249
Shot & Wounded: 1084

Total Homicides: 274

The lead Republican negotiator in US Senate dialogue toward a bipartisan gun safety bill walked out of the talks on Thursday, dimming the likelihood of a vote on the legislation before senators leave for a two-week July 4 recess.

Senator John Cornyn told reporters that he had not abandoned the negotiations, but he was returning to Texas amid difficulty reaching agreement.

“It’s fish or cut bait,” he said. “I don’t know what they have in mind, but I’m through talking.” Other senators in the huddle remained inside the room.
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[T]he talks have become bogged down in disagreements over two main provisions: how to provide incentives to states to create so-called red flag laws, in which guns can be temporarily taken away from people deemed dangerous, and the “boyfriend loophole,” allowing authorities to block abusive spouses from buying firearms, but does not cover people who aren’t married.

Cornyn, whose home state of Texas does not have a red-flag law and is considered unlikely to enact one, wants the funding for that provision to cover other efforts towards tackling mental illness issues, such as “crisis intervention programs.”

Cornyn said earlier on Thursday negotiators would need to reach agreement that day to have legislation ready in time for a vote next week.

Pyperkub wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 2:18 am Please note that the GOP strategy is to do nothing.

In writing

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... y-1362970/

UVALDE, Texas — A city police officer armed with an AR-15-style rifle hesitated when he had a brief chance to shoot the gunman approaching a school in Uvalde, Texas, because he did not want to hit children, according to a senior sheriff’s deputy who spoke to the officer.

The fateful decision, which has not been previously reported, represented the second missed opportunity for officers arriving at Robb Elementary School to prevent a massacre by intervening while the gunman was still outside the school. Officials have said that an officer from a different department, the Uvalde school district police force, arrived early but drove past the gunman, not seeing him in the parking lot of the school.

The quick arrival of several officers on May 24 reflected the speed with which the initial response took place, and contrasted sharply with what would become a protracted delay in finally confronting the gunman after he began shooting inside a pair of connected fourth-grade classrooms.

It also made clear the agonizing decisions law enforcement officers had to make as they confronted the gunman, who was firing shots outside the school; the officer who arrived with a rifle had only seconds to make a decision, and feared that firing his weapon could have meant hitting children, the senior sheriff’s deputy said.

“I asked him, ‘Why didn’t you shoot? Why didn’t you engage?’ And that’s when he told me about the background,” he said. “According to the officers, they didn’t engage back because in the background there was kids playing and they were scared of hitting the kids.”

Unagi wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:52 am It certainly underscores the problem with ‘more guns in school’.


Also, I hate to say it but I’m no longer feeling confident with trusting any accounting of the events, presented by the police.

Blackhawk wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:01 am

Unagi wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:52 am It certainly underscores the problem with ‘more guns in school’.


Also, I hate to say it but I’m no longer feeling confident with trusting any accounting of the events, presented by the police.

Especially when the word 'Uvalde' police is anywhere on the uniform.

malchior wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:27 am

Blackhawk wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:01 am

Unagi wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:52 am It certainly underscores the problem with ‘more guns in school’.


Also, I hate to say it but I’m no longer feeling confident with trusting any accounting of the events, presented by the police.

Especially when the word 'Uvalde' police is anywhere on the uniform.

Police lie. A lot. It is well documented.

Blackhawk wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:30 am

malchior wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:27 am

Blackhawk wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:01 am

Unagi wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:52 am It certainly underscores the problem with ‘more guns in school’.


Also, I hate to say it but I’m no longer feeling confident with trusting any accounting of the events, presented by the police.

Especially when the word 'Uvalde' police is anywhere on the uniform.

Police lie. A lot. It is well documented.

I know. But most do it with bluster - "here is what we're telling you, no further comment", when the real truth is hidden and takes effort to dig out. The Uvalde chief, on the other hand, took it to Trump-like levels of absurdity and obviousness.