Trump vs. Biden - the Final Showdown

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:24 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:21 pm Good poots but would it kill him to use question marks?

They are not really questions since it isn't even a contest there.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:50 pm

Paingod wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:30 pm
Jaymann wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:22 pmCovid19 cases continue to surge. Trump going through the motions as he tumbles in the polls and his supporters suffer.
You know what would help his numbers? A few more superspreader events. He needs to get the message out there.

Now with even more hypothermia!

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:58 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:14 pm I keep seeing stats about the massive numbers of voters relative to prior years. Maybe because I have bias to the left, I also get the sense that the sources making these claims assume that those huge crowds (certainly most) are voting D.

Massive early voting crowds could be highly motivated voters for both parties, no?

I catch myself making that same assumption, probably out of hope for our country. I prefer accuracy, though, especially with something this important.

It's not all assumption. In most places we have stats on how many people have requested and returned ballots AND their party registration. By and large, Dems are crushing it in the early voting.

We don't know who they all voted for, but I feel safe assuming that Trump has lost more registered R's than Biden has lost registered D's. Polling backs this up, and also that Biden is winning independents.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:59 pm

Was performing maintenance on my Boss' Boss' workstation for about an hour today as a target of opportunity. He's a great guy and straight shooter and after the hour, even as he was convinced Trump is going to lose and the economy will suffer worse under Biden than it will Trump, he actually moved me from fearing Biden will lose Michigan straight in to having a belief that Trump's support will be stronger here in 2020 than it was in 2016. The economy is what he does for a living and it's single issue voting, he is no GOP guy. If that is his informed belief (and he is well informed) and he has become a Trump voter, against the reality I want to live in, it's becoming more and more apparent that not only necessarily true Trump isn't going to lose votes, he might actually have gained them here. He (Boss' Boss) is convinced Trump will lose based on COVID and the economy will suffer worse from the loss than it will from the win. He is also not convinced Biden would have handled better (though is not convince Biden would handle the same or worse)

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:04 pm

LordMortis wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:59 pm Was performing maintenance on my Boss' Boss' workstation for about an hour today as a target of opportunity. He's a great guy and straight shooter and after the hour, even as he was convinced Trump is going to lose and the economy will suffer worse under Biden than it will Trump, he actually moved me from fearing Biden will lose Michigan straight in to having a belief that Trump's support will be stronger here in 2020 than it was in 2016. The economy is what he does for a living and it's single issue voting, he is no GOP guy. If that is his informed belief (and he is well informed) and he has become a Trump voter, against the reality I want to live in, it's becoming more and more apparent that not only necessarily true Trump isn't going to lose votes, he might actually have gained them here. He (Boss' Boss) is convinced Trump will lose based on COVID and the economy will suffer worse from the loss than it will from the win. He is also not convinced Biden would have handled better (though is not convince Biden would handle the same or worse)

I suppose it's possible, but it would require polling errors of near-galactic proportions for Trump to win Michigan at this point.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:32 pm

Reports from Blue New Jersey. My neighbor put up a Biden/Harris sign last night. This morning it was spray painted red on both sides.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:40 pm

FWIW in Massachusetts I'm used to never seeing campaign signs for presidential races, since due to the electoral college it might as well be the case that there's never a presidential election. I'm seeing a lot of Biden / Harris signs around.

I haven't driven by the house lately that had a giant "Hillary for Prison" sign in 2016 - I should head by there and see if there's anything up now.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:52 pm

My Philly ward is blanketed in Biden/Harris signs. This isn't surprising, as it went 2.5-to-1 for Clinton in 2016, but back then Hillary signs were few and far between.

Early voting is also through the roof here this time.

What's interesting is that this was once a more conservative neighborhood, known for "cops and contractors." It really has moved Left in the 18 years we've been here, although I do see Blue Lives Matter flags here and there.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:13 pm

Just a purely anecdotal single observation point about something I've never seen before, may mean nothing. Drove by a yard full of Republican candidate signs except for one - there was no sign for Trump. Found that interesting.

On a related note, a WSJ/NBC poll finds no late shift for Trump among voters:

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/electi ... UAWLWT2qHE

About 13% of voters in Wisconsin, Florida and Pennsylvania settled on their candidate choice in the week before the last election, a report by a professional association of opinion researchers found. Those voters broke for Mr. Trump by 30 percentage points in Wisconsin and by 17 points in Florida and Pennsylvania, helping to deliver narrow victories, the study said.

This month, the Journal/NBC News poll went looking for signs of a similar, late shift—and found a different picture than in 2016. Undecided voters seem to be moving equally toward both presidential candidates.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:17 pm

Cook moves Texas to toss up:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5 ... to-toss-up

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:24 pm

Grifman wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:13 pm Just a purely anecdotal single observation point about something I've never seen before, may mean nothing. Drove by a yard full of Republican candidate signs except for one - there was no sign for Trump. Found that interesting.

I've noticed that trend around here -- people signalling that they're Republicans, but not showing their trump card. Also, there's rather a lot of lawn sign theft and vandalism. I've never seen that before.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:27 pm

Grifman wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:13 pm Just a purely anecdotal single observation point about something I've never seen before, may mean nothing. Drove by a yard full of Republican candidate signs except for one - there was no sign for Trump. Found that interesting.

I live in one of the (R) strongholds for NJ and I was driving through three separate towns today on business. I saw lots and lots of local (R) signs for politicians and more than a few Biden/Harris signs. However, I didn't see a single Trump sign - which struck me as odd. Every light and intersection I went through had the typical signage everywhere, but not a single Trump sign to be seen. I also thought it was really, really strange.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:30 pm

Kraken wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:24 pm
Grifman wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:13 pm Just a purely anecdotal single observation point about something I've never seen before, may mean nothing. Drove by a yard full of Republican candidate signs except for one - there was no sign for Trump. Found that interesting.
I've noticed that trend around here -- people signalling that they're Republicans, but not showing their trump card.

Always a wise move.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:31 pm

I’ve put in for Wednesday off. I’ll try to spend Tuesday night drinking and consuming other media while trying to ignore my phone. And probably check the news late so I know if I need to get drunk on Wednesday.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:33 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:31 pm I’ve put in for Wednesday off. I’ll try to spend Tuesday night drinking and consuming other media while trying to ignore my phone. And probably check the news late so I know if I need to get drunk on Wednesday.

You're going to need either a celebratory drunk or a despair drunk. Better plan on it either way.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:36 pm

Smoove_B wrote:I live in one of the (R) strongholds for NJ and I was driving through three separate towns today on business. I saw lots and lots of local (R) signs for politicians and more than a few Biden/Harris signs. However, I didn't see a single Trump sign - which struck me as odd.

They’re all in my neighborhood.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:47 pm

Kraken wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:33 pm
Isgrimnur wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:31 pm I’ve put in for Wednesday off. I’ll try to spend Tuesday night drinking and consuming other media while trying to ignore my phone. And probably check the news late so I know if I need to get drunk on Wednesday.
You're going to need either a celebratory drunk or a despair drunk. Better plan on it either way.

Or a baseline drunk for the next 5 days.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:48 pm

Grifman wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:13 pm Just a purely anecdotal single observation point about something I've never seen before, may mean nothing. Drove by a yard full of Republican candidate signs except for one - there was no sign for Trump. Found that interesting.

I haven’t seen a single yard sign for either candidate in my neighborhood. Last election, there were a lot of Trump signs, with a few scattered Hillary supporters.

There’s a few signs for local races, but nothing for POTUS. It’s rather odd.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:51 pm

RunningMn9 wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:36 pm
Smoove_B wrote:I live in one of the (R) strongholds for NJ and I was driving through three separate towns today on business. I saw lots and lots of local (R) signs for politicians and more than a few Biden/Harris signs. However, I didn't see a single Trump sign - which struck me as odd.
They’re all in my neighborhood.

Yeah, you're definitely surrounded. And I have seen them around, it was just striking not to see any in groupings with other political signs. My neighbor put one on his yard which isn't surprising at all. I mentioned it earlier this summer - he slapped a giant Blue Lives Matter flag on his front yard, courtesy of a flagpole that was installed. It kinda surprised me as it's the only type of political signaling I've seen on the entire block and even in my larger area. I'll be curious to see how things evolve after next week - either way.

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:19 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:51 pm
RunningMn9 wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:36 pm
Smoove_B wrote:I live in one of the (R) strongholds for NJ and I was driving through three separate towns today on business. I saw lots and lots of local (R) signs for politicians and more than a few Biden/Harris signs. However, I didn't see a single Trump sign - which struck me as odd.
They’re all in my neighborhood.

Yeah, you're definitely surrounded. And I have seen them around, it was just striking not to see any in groupings with other political signs. My neighbor put one on his yard which isn't surprising at all. I mentioned it earlier this summer - he slapped a giant Blue Lives Matter flag on his front yard, courtesy of a flagpole that was installed. It kinda surprised me as it's the only type of political signaling I've seen on the entire block and even in my larger area. I'll be curious to see how things evolve after next week - either way.

I've seen a total of one Biden sign in my town. There are A LOT less Trump signs this time around. I was up in Hackettstown and that was Trump city. There's a guy who built these gigantic sign boards about how terrible Biden is. And by my work there's a house with neon Trump letters and blown up Trump faces on the house.

I'm sure they are lovely people. If you went by what I see and deal with on a daily basis you wouldn't be thinking Biden has a shot in hell.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:49 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:47 pm
Kraken wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:33 pm
Isgrimnur wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:31 pm I’ve put in for Wednesday off. I’ll try to spend Tuesday night drinking and consuming other media while trying to ignore my phone. And probably check the news late so I know if I need to get drunk on Wednesday.
You're going to need either a celebratory drunk or a despair drunk. Better plan on it either way.
Or a baseline drunk for the next 5 days.

I, for one, will remain drunk until someone wins this game of thrones. Pray that it happens before January.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:39 am

We have no Biden and two Trump signs in our neighborhood. I suspect that's down from 2016, but I'm not sure.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:19 am

We're probably about 95% local signs and 5% Biden/Harris. 0 Trump. That's pretty much how it is every 4 years with the exception of local favorite Obama who probably had 30-40% signage IIRC.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:49 am

I'd say the rural Maine area I'm in right now is like...

70% no signs. 25% Trump signs. 5% Biden signs.

We had one Republican drum-beater stop in and my wife chased him off before he finished his first sentence. We've had two Gideon (Collins' Democratic opponent) drum-beaters stop in. We chatted with them. Each reported about a 25-to-1 ratio of people saying they were voting Republican still to people voting Democrat in our area. They were excited and relieved to find us. I don't know who they were visiting or how accurate they were - but I'm glad there were enough people living in our densely populated areas to bring the state over to being a majority Democratic state in 2016.

Knowing we're surrounded on all sides by people who are willingly throwing themselves behind an anti-science racist has really galvanized my wife's desire to move out of our little town.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:58 am

I've seen a single Biden sign in my area - everything else is Trump/Graham. And by "area", I mean anywhere along the 16 miles I drive to work or the other small towns I go to for lunch or shopping. It's depressing.

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:28 am

Well I can say that I know a lot of people in my town that support Biden, but are too scared to post signs. Trump supporters are the same people that would have a singing fish on the wall. So throwing signs up all over the place is their jam.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:38 am

I've certainly seen more Biden signs than Trump signs on lawns around here, but both are dwarfed by signs for more local candidates; I've seen more Harrison than Graham signs and a bunch for the GOP candidate for the House seat. Of course, Trump signs on boats outnumber Biden signs by ~100 to 0.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:37 am

Countdown to election:

5 Days

Trump is now chanting COVID! COVID! COVID! at his rallies. He is reduced to: But Tucker Carlson had documents! Until the deep state destroyed them!

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:45 am

Jaymann wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:37 am Countdown to election:

5 Days

Trump is now chanting COVID! COVID! COVID! at his rallies. He is reduced to: But Tucker Carlson had documents! Until the deep state destroyed them! he apparently sent the only copy out rather than taking precautions most junior-high schoolers would easily understand.

FTFY.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:48 am

Presumably Carlson has a wife and family and goes to church. What would possess him to sell his soul to the devil with this transparently false personal narrative, for the sake of a shit-show grifter?

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:51 am

Also, we're up to 57% of 2016 total votes. TX still leading the way in %age, now over 94%. More people have voted in TX this year than exist in the bottom 9 states combined. Interestingly, CA is slightly ahead of TX in actual number of votes cast.

Several other states are over 80% of 2016 totals.

raydude · Post by **raydude** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:56 am

Octavious wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:28 am Well I can say that I know a lot of people in my town that support Biden, but are too scared to post signs. Trump supporters are the same people that would have a singing fish on the wall. So throwing signs up all over the place is their jam.

There was only one small Biden sign on our street, hiding by the tree outside one of our neighbor's houses. Until I went to our local farmer's market 3 weeks ago and saw they were giving out Biden/Harris signs. So I asked for one and now it's in our front yard. If you imagine a "T" we're at the T intersection and the sign faces down the length of the T. I was a bit apprehensive as my wife thought our neighbors to our right were Trump supporters (the wife watches Fox news), and most of the folks down the length of the T are military families. Turns out our neighbor to the right wanted to know where we got our sign and another Biden sign went up outside one of the houses down the T.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:14 am

Jaymann wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:48 am Presumably Carlson has a wife and family and goes to church. What would possess him to sell his soul to the devil with this transparently false personal narrative, for the sake of a shit-show grifter?

High ratings.

And the fact that he is being seriously considered as a Trumpian presidential candidate in 2024.

NickAragua · Post by **NickAragua** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:14 am

Around here (north-north-east MA), Biden signs outnumber Trump signs significantly. There's also a bunch of "we support the police" and "black lives matter" (and the more long-winded version of the latter), the police support signs being somewhat outnumbered. I'll leave it to the reader's imagination to establish who each of those is voting for.

It's a little different than in 2016, where there wasn't a single Hilary sign in sight, and an occasional Trump sign. Still disappointing that there's fascists all over the neighborhood.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:41 am

Jaymann wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:48 am Presumably Carlson has a wife and family and goes to church. What would possess him to sell his soul to the devil with this transparently false personal narrative, for the sake of a shit-show grifter?

Because he is also a grifter and uses God as a tool to sell to actual believers is my instinct. I don't have the an anti-christian bias I see from a lot of the anti evangelicals but it does seem to me there are a lot of people who treat the bible as sword and shield without actually believing Jesus Christ.

As corollary, what possesses so many to insist on reducing at any cost until such a time as they control the purse strings and find themselves expanding debt at a rate faster than when they weren't controlling the purse strings?

wonderpug · Post by **wonderpug** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:44 am

Jaymann wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:37 amTrump is now chanting COVID! COVID! COVID! at his rallies.

Is this true or a joke? I just can't tell anymore.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:49 am

wonderpug wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:44 am
Jaymann wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:37 amTrump is now chanting COVID! COVID! COVID! at his rallies.
Is this true or a joke? I just can't tell anymore.

It started as a complaint that all the Fake News Media talks about is "Covid! Covid! Covid!" (obviously in order to hurt Donald), but now it sounds like he's basically cheering for it.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:02 pm

Jaymann wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:48 am Presumably Carlson has a wife and family and goes to church. What would possess him to sell his soul to the devil with this transparently false personal narrative, for the sake of a shit-show grifter?

BTW, don't assume for a second that this "evidence" was actually lost. Today's story is about planting the seed and raising expectations for what's coming.

Expect it to burst into headlines tomorrow or Saturday as Carlson miraculously recovers the lost material, which now has a story about itself as well as being about the Hunter Biden story. This is how narratives get driven into attention.

Z-Corn · Post by **Z-Corn** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:13 pm

Yesterday I drove through beautiful rural MI to the baby food capital of the world and saw many, many Trump signs. As soon as your leave the city they outnumber Biden signs four or five to one.

I can hardly wait to drink some conservative tears. And to fuck their feelings.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:27 pm

Z-Corn wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:13 pmI can hardly wait to drink some conservative tears. And to fuck their feelings.

They don't do tears. They do rage. You have to let their rage warm your house. It's an inexhaustible fuel source.