That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
http://garbi.online/forum/
He's...a bit of a wack-job and has largely fallen from grace in the greater public health community. He started his own patreon for followers to get "special information" about COVID-19.Defiant wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:31 pm Full thread:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1416962059967860738
Ahh, OK, thanks. I'll update my post.Smoove_B wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:54 pmHe's...a bit of a wack-job and has largely fallen from grace in the greater public health community. He started his own patreon for followers to get "special information" about COVID-19.Defiant wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:31 pm Full thread:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1416962059967860738
He does sometimes share good information, but I'll wait to hear it from a chorus of others.
Lots of money in the Covid mis-information bandwagon.Smoove_B wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:54 pmHe's...a bit of a wack-job and has largely fallen from grace in the greater public health community. He started his own patreon for followers to get "special information" about COVID-19.Defiant wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:31 pm Full thread:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1416962059967860738
He does sometimes share good information, but I'll wait to hear it from a chorus of others.
It's just so weird because he's an epidemiologist that specializes in nutrition, not infectious diseases. I think that's another thing the general public doesn't quite grok - epidemiology is only monolithic in theory (the tools and models we use). In practice there are so many different types of epidemiologists - not only by area of expertise but by function. The people I've been listening to since March of last year are mainly infectious disease epidemiologists with backgrounds in virology and zoonotic illness. As well as the "pure" research academics that can comment on the various studies and how they were designed or the strength of their various findings. I've mentioned it before, my area of epidemiology is "shoe leather" - boots on the ground and using epi to make decisions on how to stop outbreaks based on quick calculations. I have zero epi experience in research or even in developing policy.
I'm glad you're keeping up with this. Although it's hard to explain my sources when I discuss this with my employer, doctors, and well-meaning friends. (My boss still refers to you as Mr. Smoovebie, with no knowledge of who you are or what that means, just that I've quoted you.)Smoove_B wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:30 pm I'm following the ACIP meeting updates on the status of how to handle the immunocompromised with respect to vaccination. So far I've gleaned that roughly 3% of Americans are considered immunocompromised and that they're more likely to experience breakthrough (44% of hospitalized cases in U.S. are people that are immunocompromised).
They're also noting that some HCP are now at the point of considering off-label use to provide that 3rd shot because the FDA hasn't given official guidance.
Hopefully a summary article is published, but it doesn't seem like they're taking action now and are going to talk about it again in August.
This is wonderful.MHS wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:56 pm(My boss still refers to you as Mr. Smoovebie, with no knowledge of who you are or what that means, just that I've quoted you.)
Our district notified us yesterday that their official stance will be that masks are not required but are strongly encouraged indoors for the under-12 crowd. They'll also be keeping the frequent sanitizing of high-touch areas and attempting 3' distancing (but not guaranteeing).Smoove_B wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:07 pmI have a local health meeting next week and I'm going to put the screws to our county officials over what guidance they're providing to our schools for masking, as directed by the governor. It really continues to feel like everyone has just moved on and if they think I'm not going on the record on the need for kids in schools to be protected - and they should be advocating for it - that's absurd.
Regardless, I came to the conclusion a few months ago that I'm at the point in my career where I'm officially out of farks to give. I'd been playing nice for 23+ years and pussy-footing around too many things; I'm done.
Good luck to you. My faith that requirements will be a thing anywhere but in deep bastions of blue is zero.El Guapo wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:39 pmI'd be shocked (and upset) if my kids' school doesn't have a mask requirement, at least for the age groups that can't be vaccinated yet, though.ill...
My kids go to a private Jewish day school near Boston with heavily educated liberal parents. When Massachusetts got rid of the statewide mask requirement per the May CDC change, they started allowing kids to remove their masks with prior approval when outdoors. I could be wrong...but a complete mask removal would be a massive massive deal in the school community I think.Zaxxon wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:44 pmGood luck to you. My faith that requirements will be a thing anywhere but in deep bastions of blue is zero.El Guapo wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:39 pmI'd be shocked (and upset) if my kids' school doesn't have a mask requirement, at least for the age groups that can't be vaccinated yet, though.ill...
El Guapo wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:08 pmMy kids go to a private Jewish day school near Boston with heavily educated liberal parents. When Massachusetts got rid of the statewide mask requirement per the May CDC change, they started allowing kids to remove their masks with prior approval when outdoors. I could be wrong...but a complete mask removal would be a massive massive deal in the school community I think.Zaxxon wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:44 pmGood luck to you. My faith that requirements will be a thing anywhere but in deep bastions of blue is zero.El Guapo wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:39 pmI'd be shocked (and upset) if my kids' school doesn't have a mask requirement, at least for the age groups that can't be vaccinated yet, though.ill...
Bastions of blue, no?naednek wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:00 pm our kids are in school already (year round) and they require everyone to wear masks inside. outside no masks.
Yup.Zaxxon wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:11 pmEl Guapo wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:08 pmMy kids go to a private Jewish day school near Boston with heavily educated liberal parents. When Massachusetts got rid of the statewide mask requirement per the May CDC change, they started allowing kids to remove their masks with prior approval when outdoors. I could be wrong...but a complete mask removal would be a massive massive deal in the school community I think.Zaxxon wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:44 pmGood luck to you. My faith that requirements will be a thing anywhere but in deep bastions of blue is zero.El Guapo wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:39 pmI'd be shocked (and upset) if my kids' school doesn't have a mask requirement, at least for the age groups that can't be vaccinated yet, though.ill...Bastions of blue, no?naednek wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:00 pm our kids are in school already (year round) and they require everyone to wear masks inside. outside no masks.
There should be model guidelines out *right now* that provide metrics and bench-marking (i.e. tied to data) for community masking.The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has not revised its masking guidance, even as the infectious Delta variant of COVID-19 continues to sweep the United States, driving up case counts, CDC director Rochelle Walensky said during a Thursday press call.
Of the 8,787 people who have died in Texas due to COVID-19 since early February, at least 43 were fully vaccinated, the Texas Department of State Health Services said.
That means 99.5% of people who died due to COVID-19 in Texas from Feb. 8 to July 14 were unvaccinated, while 0.5% were the result of “breakthrough infections,” which DSHS defines as people who contracted the virus two weeks after being fully vaccinated.
The agency said nearly 75% of the 43 vaccinated people who died were fighting a serious underlying condition, such as diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, cancer or chronic lung disease.
Additionally, it said 95% of the 43 vaccinated people who died were 60 or older, and that a majority of them were white and a majority were men.
Smoove_B wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:25 pm This is a mistake.
There should be model guidelines out *right now* that provide metrics and bench-marking (i.e. tied to data) for community masking.The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has not revised its masking guidance, even as the infectious Delta variant of COVID-19 continues to sweep the United States, driving up case counts, CDC director Rochelle Walensky said during a Thursday press call.
To quote Dr. Harry Vanderspeigle, this is some bullshit.
Illinois seems to be trending that way, but whether they go the distance and require proof of vaccination to participate in society remains to be seen.FishPants wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:09 pm It's the anti-vax folks' turn to stay home in this next wave while I get to go out and do my thing because I'm fully vaxxed.
The same prize the US won after WWII: Being the last man standing.
And yet, like I've mentioned above, I find it incredibly ironic when some anti-vaxxers complain about wanting it to go back to normal. If only they'd realize that the one way things would go back to normal is for them to just deal with it and get the damn shots. I can understand the reluctance against the flu vaccine which is one thing, but we're dealing with a pandemic actively killing people.FishPants wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:09 pm It's the anti-vax folks' turn to stay home in this next wave while I get to go out and do my thing because I'm fully vaxxed.
I like those "refrain" mentions, although the wording sounds a bit odd.FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Tuesday, July 27, 2021 1:36 PM
CDC Lists Recommendations for Those Fully Vaccinated for COVID-19
BREVARD COUNTY, FL. -- The spike in COVID-19 cases has focused a lot of attention on those who have not been vaccinated. Ample supplies of vaccine are available at Florida Department of Health-Brevard (DOH-Brevard), area pharmacies, urgent cares centers and from your private physician. Residents who are ages 12 and older are recommended to get vaccinated.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has provided guidance for individuals fully vaccinated for COVID-19.
Individuals are considered fully vaccinated for COVID-19 two or more weeks after they have received the second dose in a two-dose series (Moderna and Pfizer vaccine require two doses) or two or more weeks after they have received a single-dose vaccine (Janssen/Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine).
Here is an overview of the CDC Interim Public Health Recommendations for Fully Vaccinated people:
• Resume activities without wearing masks or physical distancing except where required by federal, state, local, tribal or territorial laws, rules and regulations, including local businesses and workplaces.
• Refrain from quarantine and testing following a known exposure if they remain asymptomatic.
• Resume domestic travel and refrain from testing before or after travel of self-quarantine after travel.
• Refrain from testing before leaving the United States for international travel (unless required by the destination) and refrain from self-quarantine after arriving back in the United States.
• Refrain from routine screening testing if asymptomatic and feasible.
Fully vaccinated individuals should continue to:
• Practice hand and respiratory hygiene.
• Get tested if experiencing COVID-19 symptoms.
• Follow guidance issued by individual employers.
• Follow travel requirements and recommendations.
Fully vaccinated individuals should continue to watch for symptoms of COVID-19. Regardless of vaccination status, if symptoms develop, individuals should isolate and be evaluated for COVID-19, including SARS-CoV-2 testing if indicated.
Hope is not a plan. Florida hospitalizations are at winter levels and cases continue to pile up. What's the plan?
The culture war gets the headlines, but the US also has an almost permanent underclass which consistently gets the shaft (but not the stick).Racial disparities in vaccination rates remain pronounced countywide. Among Latinos, 55% have received at least one dose, compared with 66% of white residents. In the Black community, that number is 46%.
Absolutely.Pyperkub wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:06 pm Note - it's not just willingly unvaxxed, I suspect:
The culture war gets the headlines, but the US also has an almost permanent underclass which consistently gets the shaft (but not the stick).Racial disparities in vaccination rates remain pronounced countywide. Among Latinos, 55% have received at least one dose, compared with 66% of white residents. In the Black community, that number is 46%.
Yes, I've been dipping into it over in R&P. We need to spend our energy on reaching those that are having access issues and getting support to the truly hesitant.Pyperkub wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:06 pm The culture war gets the headlines, but the US also has an almost permanent underclass which consistently gets the shaft (but not the stick).