Blood Sucking Freaks Redux. Fin.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:24 am

tru1cy wrote:Here. Not voting for myself. not sure whom to vote for at the moment.

tru1cy wrote:still nothing, but I'm leaning towards

Austin
Chaos Raven
Remus West

tru1cy wrote:
pr0ner wrote:Wait, there's a forum games forum now? Aieeee.

Anyway, I was on vacation last week until Monday, and I've been extremely busy the past couple of days. Time to catch up...

SUURRRREEE!

Anyway, no idea whom to lynch still. I'm willing to go for one of my chosen three

Austin- Master Manipulator
Remus West- Sick love connection w/chaos freak
Chaos Raven-Once the chaosraving starts will it ever stop? Will it?

Btw, Newcastle. I was pretty upset as well, but give it sometime

tru1cy wrote:
Kraegor wrote:this is where grund serves his purpose as town bully....

Agreed, Grund is missed and it's strange to me that Remus West hasn't started bullying people to respond. I know he gave a reason for no doing it, but it just doesn't feel right

tru1cy wrote:Austin and Remus where both vampires in my game. Since Ralph Wiggum...err...borrowed the rules from game it might not be beyond reason to think the the forces of the ramdon number generator could have selected them again.

Keeping my vote with Remus West for the moment, but I have my eye on CR

tru1cy wrote:Lassr
FTWalker
Remus West
Austin
Chaosraven
Bakhtosh

tru1cy wrote:Yep, seem like some late jump on and that's what botheres me. A few of those players are savvy enough not make such a obvious mistake like that.

Maybe the lay off from constant games have dulled the senses, but it don't look ominous

tru1cy wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Yep, seem like some late jump on and that's what botheres me. A few of those players are savvy enough not make such a obvious mistake like that.

Maybe the lay off from constant games have dulled the senses, but it DOES look ominous
quoted to make corrections

tru1cy wrote:Hmm, still in the first night vote. My vote hasn't changed

This is the complete postings of tru1cy in this game. Somewhere in here is something that made Bahktosh think tru1cy is trustworthy. I do not see it. Odd.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:34 am

Bakhtosh wrote:And for the record, my suspect list includes tru1cy, triggercut, and FTWalker (always suspect the new guy). Newcastle is borderline...haven't put him firmly in either camp. And I'll feel better when Remus starts acting like his usual self, but being on summer break may explain his change.

This was right before he decided that tru1cy is trustworthy. From #1 suspect to trustworthy. Most have been some post.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:37 am

Lassr -
Pr-GMR - Bakhtosh
Triggercut - Tru1cy
Remus West - Genghis
FTWalker - Genghis
Newcastle - Remus West
Pr0ner - Chaosraven
Genghis - Remus West
tru1cy - Remus West
Austin - Genghis
Chaosraven - Genghis
Bakhtosh - Remus West
Kraegor - Vote Genghis

Totals:
Genghis - 5
tru1cy - 1
Bakhtosh - 1
Remus West - 4
Chaosraven - 1

I think this is accurate.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:42 am

I really believe that were Genghis not a vampire he would have been staked by now as it has been way to close way to often for them not to push him over. I also think that it is likely he is the Scanner Vamp as the others would not be worth saving.

That said, I do not like what is going on with Bakhtosh and would like to see the Seer scan him and/or the village lynch him tomorrow. He puts off all kinds of Vampire vibe to me right now.

I also note that even though I was third on tru1cy's suspect list he targeted me with is vote. Why? Why not go after your top suspect? Maybe that explains why Bakhtosh trusts him. Maybe they are both Vampires. I doubt that though. I tend to think tru1cy is just misguided right now and Bakhtosh is using it to try and save his teammate Genghis.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:39 am

If Genghis is a vampire I'd bet Tru1cy and Bakhtosh would be his cohorts. If not... I'm pretty much stumped again although Bakhtosh stays on the prime list. Perhaps Chaosraven, maybe Lassr... I still feel as good as I can about Genghis so I'm not changing my vote off him now and will likely not be back online until late tonight. (Unless I grab internet at my little brother's for a minute or two)

Happy 4th!

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:26 am

OK remus, i will buy the kool-aid

withdraw remus

vote genghis

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:29 am

and i think there is an obvious reason why baktosh "trusts" truicy. Well. couple of scenarios, pick whichever one you think fits best. I hate to do this, because well, it's obvious why.

1. Baktosh is the village's seer
2. Baktosh is the Vamp's seer
3. Baktosh has great instincts in these games, and is naturally being drawn to truicy because truicy is giving off the "damn, i am as innocent and pure as snow white vibes".

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:47 am

No, it was something Tru1cy did.

I'll give you a hint: it wasn't just something he said...it involved someone else... All will be revealed tomorrow (unless I'm dead, then it won't matter).

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:01 pm

Genghis had been hanging around that 6 vote mark for a long time and no one pushed him over the edge. I withdrew my vote to see if anything would happen in another direction or if someone else would put him back on the edge.

Austin then cast #6. Newcastle put him over.

Hanging at 6 for so long made we wonder is Genghis a vampire so the other vamps didn't want to push him over or have the vamps already cast their votes for him. Maybe they just didn't want to be the killing vote.

I'm not sure he's a vamp but he was a good target so I'm glad we'll be able to see what he is when Ralph gets back.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:02 pm

Lassr wrote: Austin then cast #6. Newcastle put him over.

I'm here till about 3:00, but I have the count at 6 right now and not 7 (assuming Remus' count listed above is accurate). Who am I not counting?

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:23 pm

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:
Lassr wrote: Austin then cast #6. Newcastle put him over.
I'm here till about 3:00, but I have the count at 6 right now and not 7 (assuming Remus' count listed above is accurate). Who am I not counting?

You haven't missed anyone. RW is counting Austin's reiteration of his vote for Genghis twice.

Genghis currently stands at 6 votes.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:30 pm

I'm sorry, I meant Lassr counted Austin's vote twice in the above post.

Lassr has no recorded vote, having withdrawn his vote on Genghis in the previous page.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:48 pm

Lassr -
Pr-GMR - Bakhtosh
Triggercut - tru1cy
Remus West - Genghis
FTWalker - Genghis
Newcastle - Genghis
Pr0ner - Chaosraven
Genghis - Remus West
tru1cy - Remus West
Austin - Genghis
Chaosraven - Genghis
Bakhtosh - Remus West
Kraegor - Genghis

Totals:
Genghis - 6
tru1cy - 1
Bakhtosh - 1
Remus West - 3
Chaosraven - 1

I think this is accurate.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:00 pm

Remus count looks correct to me.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:35 pm

Just a reminder: once a player has 7 votes, the votes can't be undone. That is to say even if a player wants to change his vote before I've written it up, it's too late.

As I've mentioned, I'll probably be without internet access until Saturday. Hopefully you guys will have made a decision by then (assuming you don't in the next 30 minutes).

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:40 am

I was going from RW votes from page 6 where Genghis had 6. I withdrew making it 5 then Austin and Newcastle voted. I'll have to go back and look more carefully.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:48 am

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:Genghis - 6
Remus West - 4
Chaosraven - 2
tru1cy - 1
Bakhtosh - 1

from this post on page 6.
I withdrew my vote (5)
Austin voted (6)
Newcastle voted (7).

I don't think Remus total is correct above where he counted 5.

It's late maybe I'm missing something somewhere. I'll come back and look at it tomorrow.

Right now I want to vote Austin. My spidey senses are tingling.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:54 am

OK, I see. Austin changed his votes without withdrawing his votes. So I did count it twice. Just another reason to stake him.

So Genghis sits at 6.

I'll think on this and may change my vote tomorrow. Anyone want to defend Genghis?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:35 am

Lassr wrote:OK, I see. Austin changed his votes without withdrawing his votes. So I did count it twice. Just another reason to stake him.
So Genghis sits at 6.

I'll think on this and may change my vote tomorrow. Anyone want to defend Genghis?

I always get annoyed when Remus does that too. Anyway, about time I get someone looking at me. Of course it came after I mentioned suspecting you. Very interesting...

Genghis · Post by **Genghis** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:29 am

Austin - Proner(1)
Lassr - Genghis(1)
Pr-GMR - Baktosh(1)
Baktosh - Kraegor(1)
Triggercut - Tru1cy(1)
Remus West - ChaosRaven(1)
Austin - Withdraw Pr0ner(0)
Remus West - Withdraw ChaosRaven(0) Vote Genghis (2)
ChaosRaven - Kraegor(2)
Austin - Kraegor (3)
Austin - Withdraw Kraegor (2)
FTWalker - Genghis (3)
Newcastle - newcastle(1)
Baktosh - withdraw Kraegor(1) Vote Chaosraven(1)
Pr0ner - Chaosraven(2)
Genghis - Remus West(1)
Kraegor - Chaosraven(3)
tru1cy - Remus west (2)
Remus West - Revote - Genghis(2)
Austin - Genghis(4)
Chaosraven - withdraw Kraegor(1) Vote Genghis(5)
Baktosh - Withdraw ChaosRaven(1)
Baktosh - Vote Genghis (6)
Baktosh - withdraw Genghis (5)
Baktosh - Remus West (3)
Kraegor - Withdraw Chaosraven (2) - Vote Genghis 6
Remus - Withdraw Genghis (5) Vote Baktosh (2)
Remus West- withdraw Baktosh(1) Vote Genghis (6)
Newcastle - withdraw Newcastle(0)
Newcastle - Vote Remus West(4)
lassr - Withdraw Genghis (5)
Austin - Withdraw Genghis (4) Vote ChaosRaven (3)
Austin - Withdraw Choasrave(2) Vote Genghis (5)
Newcastle - Withdraw Remus west (3) Vote Genghis (6)
Lassr - vote Austin (1)

Vote Count should be:
Austin (1)
Genghis (6)
Chaosraven(2)
Remus West (3)
Baktosh (1)
Kraegor (2)
Tru1cy(1)

Genghis · Post by **Genghis** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:33 am

In case I do get lynched, my vamp suspects are Remus West and Austin... possibly Chaosraven.

Lassr may be in the clear since his vote could have sent me to the headsman

Genghis · Post by **Genghis** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:39 am

Bah, my list is wrong above and can't edit it.

Genghis wrote:Austin - Proner(1)
Lassr - Genghis(1)
Pr-GMR - Baktosh(1)
Baktosh - Kraegor(1)
Triggercut - Tru1cy(1)
Remus West - ChaosRaven(1)
Austin - Withdraw Pr0ner(0)
Remus West - Withdraw ChaosRaven(0) Vote Genghis (2)
ChaosRaven - Kraegor(2)
Austin - Kraegor (3)
Austin - Withdraw Kraegor (2)
FTWalker - Genghis (3)
Newcastle - newcastle(1)
Baktosh - withdraw Kraegor(1) Vote Chaosraven(1)
Pr0ner - Chaosraven(2)
Genghis - Remus West(1)
Kraegor - Chaosraven(3)
tru1cy - Remus west (2)
Remus West - Revote - Genghis(2)
Austin - Genghis(4)
Chaosraven - withdraw Kraegor(0) Vote Genghis(5)
Baktosh - Withdraw ChaosRaven(2)
Baktosh - Vote Genghis (6)
Baktosh - withdraw Genghis (5)
Baktosh - Remus West (3)
Kraegor - Withdraw Chaosraven (1) - Vote Genghis 6
Remus - Withdraw Genghis (5) Vote Baktosh (2)
Remus West- withdraw Baktosh(1) Vote Genghis (6)
Newcastle - withdraw Newcastle(0)
Newcastle - Vote Remus West(4)
lassr - Withdraw Genghis (5)
Austin - Withdraw Genghis (4) Vote ChaosRaven (2)
Austin - Withdraw Choasraven(1) Vote Genghis (5)
Newcastle - Withdraw Remus west (3) Vote Genghis (6)
Lassr - vote Austin (1)

Vote Count should be:
Austin (1)
Genghis (6)
Chaosraven(1)
Remus West (3)
Baktosh (1)
Tru1cy(1)

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:53 am

Genghis wrote:
Lassr may be in the clear since his vote could have sent me to the headsman

Interesting mind set. I look at it as that Lassr, unless he is the mage and scanned you, (or if you're twins) shouldn't know anything. A vampire is not going to want to jump on a final killing vote on an innocent, rather he'd do more what Lassr is doing, and act all skeptic like. Of course an experienced vampire would know that and might play it loose knowing that the above could be argued in defense. But a truly wise vampire wouldn't get involved in the last vote or so at all. So I know that Lassr is either innocent or a vampire. Damn iocaine powder.

Genghis · Post by **Genghis** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:01 am

Austin wrote:
Genghis wrote:
Lassr may be in the clear since his vote could have sent me to the headsman
Interesting mind set. I look at it as that Lassr, unless he is the mage and scanned you, (or if you're twins) shouldn't know anything. A vampire is not going to want to jump on a final killing vote on an innocent, rather he'd do more what Lassr is doing, and act all skeptic like. Of course an experienced vampire would know that and might play it loose knowing that the above could be argued in defense. But a truly wise vampire wouldn't get involved in the last vote or so at all. So I know that Lassr is either innocent or a vampire. Damn iocaine powder.

inconcievable!

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:02 am

Austin wrote:
Genghis wrote:
Lassr may be in the clear since his vote could have sent me to the headsman
Interesting mind set. I look at it as that Lassr, unless he is the mage and scanned you, (or if you're twins) shouldn't know anything. A vampire is not going to want to jump on a final killing vote on an innocent, rather he'd do more what Lassr is doing, and act all skeptic like. Of course an experienced vampire would know that and might play it loose knowing that the above could be argued in defense. But a truly wise vampire wouldn't get involved in the last vote or so at all. So I know that Lassr is either innocent or a vampire. Damn iocaine powder.

I don't know anything except I'm not a vampire. All I had on Genghis was the PM comment which isn't much. Your posts have just not "felt" right and I can't put my finger on it yet. As I said I'd be willing to vote Genghis to be sure but I also want to make sure it is the correct move. As of yet he has not said he is a special but he did say it would be a mistake earlier.

If he is a vampire you sometimes see a vampire put them over the top on votes in order for that vampire to look innocent, that hasn't happened.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:05 am

Lassr wrote:
Austin wrote:
Genghis wrote:
Lassr may be in the clear since his vote could have sent me to the headsman
Interesting mind set. I look at it as that Lassr, unless he is the mage and scanned you, (or if you're twins) shouldn't know anything. A vampire is not going to want to jump on a final killing vote on an innocent, rather he'd do more what Lassr is doing, and act all skeptic like. Of course an experienced vampire would know that and might play it loose knowing that the above could be argued in defense. But a truly wise vampire wouldn't get involved in the last vote or so at all. So I know that Lassr is either innocent or a vampire. Damn iocaine powder.
I don't know anything except I'm not a vampire. All I had on Genghis was the PM comment which isn't much. Your posts have just not "felt" right and I can't put my finger on it yet. As I said I'd be willing to vote Genghis to be sure but I also want to make sure it is the correct move. As of yet he has not said he is a special but he did say it would be a mistake earlier.

If he is a vampire you sometimes see a vampire put them over the top on votes in order for that vampire to look innocent, that hasn't happened.

I push a little, you soften a little. Neat. What does it mean?

[Grund]Analyzing[/Grund]

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:31 pm

I think it means you are a vampire. You are pushing where there is nothing.

If you look at every game I've played I have never cast a revenge vote. SO me voting for you simply because you briefly say "maybe lassr" in a post above does not follow my motif.

I withdrew my vote for Genghis before your comments. After he said it would be a mistake. I was waiting to see if he hinted he was a special. He has not except for the mistake comment.

I am willing to vote for him now that enough time has passed but I'm less sure he's a vampire because he has not drawn that final vote yet. BUT I have seen in many games before where someone was close and everyone backs off and they end up being the bad guy.

Genghis · Post by **Genghis** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:43 pm

I am not sure there is much more I can say to defend myself. Even if I claimed special status it wouldn't be of much use. I would get 1 maybe two days before being eaten by vamps. Also unless I was the hunter and immediately shot someone, there would be no way to verify my claim.

I think one of the biggest indicators so far that I am not a vamp is that I have not claimed special status. If a Vamp was going down they would try to create as much havok as possible and make other specials reveal themselves.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 1:05 pm

Lassr wrote:I think it means you are a vampire. You are pushing where there is nothing.

If you look at every game I've played I have never cast a revenge vote. SO me voting for you simply because you briefly say "maybe lassr" in a post above does not follow my motif.

I withdrew my vote for Genghis before your comments. After he said it would be a mistake. I was waiting to see if he hinted he was a special. He has not except for the mistake comment.

I am willing to vote for him now that enough time has passed but I'm less sure he's a vampire because he has not drawn that final vote yet. BUT I have seen in many games before where someone was close and everyone backs off and they end up being the bad guy.

alrighty in the manner of flip flopping extraordinaire. I am going to withdraw genghis

main reason, we have 3 days till ralphie gets back, so no need to rush. second reason, and follow me here...

what if my theory about the vamps being blocked is correct. maybe that's why we havent seen him thrown over the edge quite yet. Maybe the vamps only have 2 vampy votes to play with and that their kill last night was henceforth blocked. Think of it this way....what if the garlic guy protected someone he thought was a forsure, lock night 1 target for the vamps.

I swear the best play for hte vamps, is to wait to give birth to a vamp. Because that way it causes discord. All the lines of trust you have built up, when the no kill night comes around, is thrown out the window. Risky play, yes, the smarter play, forsurely. Because it creates a vamp who has been heretofore acting like an innocent.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 1:38 pm

Newcastle wrote:
Lassr wrote:I think it means you are a vampire. You are pushing where there is nothing.

If you look at every game I've played I have never cast a revenge vote. SO me voting for you simply because you briefly say "maybe lassr" in a post above does not follow my motif.

I withdrew my vote for Genghis before your comments. After he said it would be a mistake. I was waiting to see if he hinted he was a special. He has not except for the mistake comment.

I am willing to vote for him now that enough time has passed but I'm less sure he's a vampire because he has not drawn that final vote yet. BUT I have seen in many games before where someone was close and everyone backs off and they end up being the bad guy.
alrighty in the manner of flip flopping extraordinaire. I am going to withdraw genghis

main reason, we have 3 days till ralphie gets back, so no need to rush. second reason, and follow me here...

what if my theory about the vamps being blocked is correct. maybe that's why we havent seen him thrown over the edge quite yet. Maybe the vamps only have 2 vampy votes to play with and that their kill last night was henceforth blocked. Think of it this way....what if the garlic guy protected someone he thought was a forsure, lock night 1 target for the vamps.

I swear the best play for hte vamps, is to wait to give birth to a vamp. Because that way it causes discord. All the lines of trust you have built up, when the no kill night comes around, is thrown out the window. Risky play, yes, the smarter play, forsurely. Because it creates a vamp who has been heretofore acting like an innocent.

It's possible that the vamps were blocked but I don't think our best bet is to assume that. I'm not saying that you are suggesting that, rather putting my thoughts out there. I can get behind a vote for someone else but who? Who is a better vote than Genghis. I'm a poor choice, but only me and possibly one other would know that. I did withdraw Genghis to look at Chaosraven, but figured there was a good chance to get a lynch on Ganghis, get the info from his guilt/innocence and the night activities, and start with that the next day.

I dislike Day 1. More and more time for vamps to sew confusion and for us to start seeing things that aren't there, or forgetting things that we had noticed before. I do urge caution though as the further along we move the quicker a bandwagon can form as people tire of Day 1. That's what happened when Remus asked me to start a wagon on Kelric in the last PM game. I dug up some BS, posted it and Kelric was dead in less than 2 hours. It wasn't that my evidence was all that compelling, rather that we were all burnt out on that Day. I'd hate to see us lynch a special due to them being on vacation or something.

As Newcastle mentioned we have some time and I'm not sure there is much value in having Genghis be walking dead for that long, I'm open to exploring other options. I'll withdraw Genghis for now. There's a comment from Tru1cy I want to look more closely at anyway. (before I forget about it)

Genghis · Post by **Genghis** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:30 pm

Is there any reason not to lynch Remus West? He has been acting very vampish this game.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:51 pm

Austin wrote: There's a comment from Tru1cy I want to look more closely at anyway. (before I forget about it)

My old adversary. Once more we dance the dance!

"To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee"

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:57 pm

Austin wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Hmm, still in the first night vote. My vote hasn't changed

Here it is. You mention being in the first night when we are working with daylight here. Seems 'poke the innocent'ish". I'm trying to think if this could be an innocent gaff or a guilty slip.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:05 pm

Austin wrote:
Austin wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Hmm, still in the first night vote. My vote hasn't changed

Here it is. You mention being in the first night when we are working with daylight here. Seems 'poke the innocent'ish". I'm trying to think if this could be an innocent gaff or a guilty slip.

It was gaff, but I could be just saying it was a gaff.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:18 pm

tru1cy wrote:but I could be just saying it was a gaff.

Damnit, stop stealing my lines.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:41 pm

Genghis wrote:Is there any reason not to lynch Remus West? He has been acting very vampish this game.

Could you do me a favor and lay out what you think has been Vampirish of me?
Let me go over some of the things I remember being accused of.

Not poking the silent
Wanting specials to come forward day 1

Both of these I addressed and while you can try and stake me on the first the second is just not accurate at all. Both actions I stand by firmly.

First, with no PM being sent to the villagers we had no way of knowing it was game on unless we actively checked the thread. Thus, those of us who are not overly active in the FGF or missed the switch would not have known it was going on so the silent are more likely non-special villagers.

Second, I said a Special should not go to the grave silently. I still feel that way. If someone is a special and is sitting within 1 vote of being lynched they should speak up. That is the situation you, Genghis, were in when the conversation took place. The only caveat to that is that the Garlic Dispenser can actually serve the village by going silently and has to make a call as to which he thinks would be best in the long run. I happen to think it is best for him to speak up and force the Vampires to kill him themselves but thats not a call I am going to have to make.

So unless you have something better than that I fail to see how I am such a popular target.

Top three:
Genghis
tru1cy
Bahktosh

I doubt that both tru1cy and Bahktosh are Vampires but I think one of them must be.

I have tru1cy above Bahktosh because I think I finally see what Bahktosh was talking about but disagree with what it says about tru1cy.

Both tru1cy and Genghis have made "gaffs" that suggest Vampirism. Genghis with his PM comment and tru1cy with his night comment. Personally I think the PM comment much more damning.

Genghis · Post by **Genghis** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:21 pm

There are a few things that make you a likely target. The fact that you made a big deal about my asking PMs to be sent to everyone not just the specials. Even when it was pointed out that if I did recieve a PM i was more likely a special(6/8) than a vamp(2/8). The only reason to do that is trying to get a special killed.

You also [/url=http://www.octopusoverlords.com/phpBB2/ ... 84#1040284]posted here[/url] where you misrepresent the probibilities of me being a vamp to induce people to lynch me. In the initial post that Ralph announced the PMs were sent out, to the time I posted was around 40 minutes. In that time for a conversion to have happened both the Garlic dispensor and the Master vamp would have had to send in their target, and Ralph would have had to send a PM to me and I would have had to read it and respond by way of my post.... Not very likely to have happened. So at most my likely hood of being a vamp is 2/13 compared to other peoples 3/13. It is also unlikely that I would have been targeted for conversion due to the fact I was already being targeted for lynching by Lassr, you, and FTWalker.

There is also the way that you and Austin are interacting. It is close to how the two of you were interacting in the game where both of you were on the Evils side in the last game I played in.

Then there is the little thing that you are spending alot of effort trying to get me lynched based on little more than the PM post. If thats all you have to go on and its more likely that I am a special than a vamp, that leads me to conclude you are trying to get a special lynched.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:06 pm

If you want to accuse me based on misrepresenting odds then you should watch your own there Vamp.

If we agree that you did recieve a PM then the odds of you being a Vampire pre-conversion would be 2/8 not 2/13. Everyone else would be 2/13 at that time or 3/13 post conversion. All of which means that pre-conversion there was a 25% chance you were Vampire and a little bit over 15% for everyone else. Post-conversion your odds would not change but everyone else would become 3/13 or a little over 23%. Meaning that you are still the most likely player to be a Vampire out there right now.

Thus I think we need to lynch you. You made what I consider a huge error. In the game you like to bring up regarding Austin and I as Vampires I made a similar mistake by saying "poke the innocents" and was not held accountable for it, which contributed to allowing the Vampires to win. I tend to dislike repeating the mistakes of the past.

Lastly, were I a Vampire I would not want so much attention drawn to the folks I think need to be killed as that only makes it harder to off them in the night. So saying I am a Vampire trying to kill a special makes no sense to me. Much easier to keep my mouth shut about your slip and end you in the dark when nobody could directly connect me to the act then to spend the day making sure everyone knows I think you need to go.

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:46 pm

[ooc] I will be out of town and in NYC for the next two days. [/ooc]

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:14 am

Scenarios for why Genghis has not received enough votes:

(a) No vampires have voted for him as they are trying to stay out of the limelight, this assumes he is innocent as at least one of them should have been in early if he is vampire.

(b) One vampire has voted for him (most likely within the 3-5 range) to be aboard if he is a vampire, or within the first 3 votes if he is innocent, and either way the other(s) need to keep their names off a common list.

(c) Two vampires have voted for him (most likely not consecutive) if he is innocent and the third is staying out of it. If he is a Vampire, the other 2 Vampires would most likely NOT join in unless he's going to go BOOM.

Which of these is most likely and what (from the current voting) does it mean?