[WW] Crimson Moon III - Game ends in a Draw?

Zurai · Post by **Zurai** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:53 pm

Austin wrote:I do encourage silky, newcastle, zurai, bubbles, triggercut, and misguided pr0ner, to vote Lassr for noose.

I don't intend to change my vote except under one of two circumstances:

1) Signifigant new information comes out that points to a very likely wolf.
2) The vote stalls at 5 votes for one person to hang for a signifigant amount of time.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:58 pm

Zurai wrote:
Austin wrote:I do encourage silky, newcastle, zurai, bubbles, triggercut, and misguided pr0ner, to vote Lassr for noose.
I don't intend to change my vote except under one of two circumstances:

1) Signifigant new information comes out that points to a very likely wolf.
2) The vote stalls at 5 votes for one person to hang for a signifigant amount of time.

What are your thoughts on specials then?

Silky · Post by **Silky** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:11 pm

You know Zurai.... you have my spider senses fairly tingling with your recent posts. I have no real objection to you or anyone else voting for me. If I did I would have come out and said so. But I don't really question Triggercut's reasonings to vote for me but I am beginning to question yours.

You are voting for me because I have done the most wolfy thing so far in your eyes. That's cool. You said that thing was me voting for Triggercut while he mentioned he will be going to work. You do realize that was days ago right. You thought that tossing out a vote for someone on day one has any traction? That this was a lone wolf leading a charge?

In case you need cliff notes the reason I voted for Triggercut when and how I did was because he stated in no uncertain terms in fact "for the record" that he is a normal unpowered villager. This drives me crazy. If this is the truth he should just shut the hell up and not narrow down the field for the wolves to cherry pick our specials. There are a few worse scenarios on day one than lynching a non-powered innocent. If this is a lie then it is a better than average chance he is a wolf.

The way you reacted to Unagi was bizarre in my opinion. Then you will not change your vote unless new information appears that points to a likely wolf. How is that supposed to happen... A seer coming forward on day one? I got news for you. If a seer comes forward then we are in big trouble. The only way a seer will come forward is if he or a wolf in seers clothing is about to be lynched.

Oh yeah the other reason is the vote stalls at five. You want to be the executioner now? The vote has been stalling for days now. It just isn't at your magic number yet.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:19 pm

Silky wrote:You know Zurai.... you have my spider senses fairly tingling with your recent posts. I have no real objection to you or anyone else voting for me. If I did I would have come out and said so. But I don't really question Triggercut's reasonings to vote for me but I am beginning to question yours.

You are voting for me because I have done the most wolfy thing so far in your eyes. That's cool. You said that thing was me voting for Triggercut while he mentioned he will be going to work. You do realize that was days ago right. You thought that tossing out a vote for someone on day one has any traction? That this was a lone wolf leading a charge?

In case you need cliff notes the reason I voted for Triggercut when and how I did was because he stated in no uncertain terms in fact "for the record" that he is a normal unpowered villager. This drives me crazy. If this is the truth he should just shut the hell up and not narrow down the field for the wolves to cherry pick our specials. There are a few worse scenarios on day one than lynching a non-powered innocent. If this is a lie then it is a better than average chance he is a wolf.

The way you reacted to Unagi was bizarre in my opinion. Then you will not change your vote unless new information appears that points to a likely wolf. How is that supposed to happen... A seer coming forward on day one? I got news for you. If a seer comes forward then we are in big trouble. The only way a seer will come forward is if he or a wolf in seers clothing is about to be lynched.

Oh yeah the other reason is the vote stalls at five. You want to be the executioner now? The vote has been stalling for days now. It just isn't at your magic number yet.

Yeah Zurai is making me uncomfortable.

Analyzing

Zurai · Post by **Zurai** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:20 pm

Austin wrote:What are your thoughts on specials then?

I'm generally only in favor of specials revealing themselves A) if they're about to be hung, or B) if they have game-breaking information.

I don't see B) happening on day 1. It's possible on day 2 (for example if the seer managed to scan two wolves).

Zurai · Post by **Zurai** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:46 pm

Silky wrote:The way you reacted to Unagi was bizarre in my opinion. Then you will not change your vote unless new information appears that points to a likely wolf. How is that supposed to happen... A seer coming forward on day one? I got news for you. If a seer comes forward then we are in big trouble. The only way a seer will come forward is if he or a wolf in seers clothing is about to be lynched.

That's my general rule of thumb on any day of any WW game, not just for today. I see how easy it is to mis-interpret what I said though. Mea culpa.

Oh yeah the other reason is the vote stalls at five. You want to be the executioner now? The vote has been stalling for days now. It just isn't at your magic number yet.

As I've said four times now, me changing my vote now would have absolutely no effect whatsoever. I don't see any reason to change my vote from the person I think is most likely to be a wolf when changing my vote won't end the current day. Perhaps you can explain why you think changing a person's vote from the person they think is most likely to be a wolf to a person they don't think is likely to be a wolf except under extreme circumstances (ie, the game just will not continue without that vote being changed) is a good idea?

Also, that rule is a general rule, not specifically day 1. Again, easily misinterpreted.

Let me re-phrase both:

IN GENERAL, I will not change my vote unless signifigant new information comes forward that points to a very likely wolf, or if the vote is long-term stalled at a point where my vote will end the stall.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:54 pm

Zurai wrote:
IN GENERAL, I will not change my vote unless signifigant new information comes forward that points to a very likely wolf, or if the vote is long-term stalled at a point where my vote will end the stall.

The problem is if everyone played like that we'd never get anywhere. That said I welcome you to not vote for me as I'd rather kill a wolf today. Wait, gotta change my sig.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:15 pm

Austin wrote:
Zurai wrote:
IN GENERAL, I will not change my vote unless signifigant new information comes forward that points to a very likely wolf, or if the vote is long-term stalled at a point where my vote will end the stall.
The problem is if everyone played like that we'd never get anywhere. That said I welcome you to not vote for me as I'd rather kill a wolf today. Wait, gotta change my sig.

Look who's talking.

Zurai · Post by **Zurai** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:17 pm

Austin wrote: The problem is if everyone played like that we'd never get anywhere.

Sure we would. That's how most people play, in my experience.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:17 pm

Oh now it's on Fuzzy.

This reply is for Lassr. Zurai rudely interrupted our dance-off.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:48 pm

Caught on camera!

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:53 pm

Oh snap! Good one.
I've never wanted you more than right now.
What?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:57 pm

ok, so now, would some of you others like to step up and make a case to vote for someone. Let's get this day moving.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:03 pm

Mr Bubbles you need to contribute, your continued complete silence does nothing for the village getting a feel for you long term. This leaves me wanting to lynch you simply because you will become a stone around our necks in the end if we are not careful.

P.S. This should not be mistaken as an actual vote but rather an attention caller. Eh, never mind, I'll color it instead of bold.

edit: because it helps if you type the tags correctly.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:05 pm

Lassr wrote:ok, so now, would some of you others like to step up and make a case to vote for someone. Let's get this day moving.

Well, I have stated why I have my doubts about voting Austin. I have stated why I have my doubts about voting Unagi. I have stated why I have my doubts about you. Thats why my vote is there. It seems that my logic is not enough to convince others.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:08 pm

Lassr wrote:ok, so now, would some of you others like to step up and make a case to vote for someone. Let's get this day moving.

You could tru1cy yourself and make us tied.

(If you're so eager to play off day 1 fatigue that is)

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:11 pm

Remus West wrote:Mr Bubbles[/blue] you need to contribute, your continued complete silence does nothing for the village getting a feel for you long term. This leaves me wanting to lynch you simply because you will become a stone around our necks in the end if we are not careful.

P.S. This should not be mistaken as an actual vote but rather an attention caller. Eh, never mind, I'll color it instead of bold.

Sorry life has been kind of hectic, but I think I'll be having some time today to do some analysis. Just from a quick read of the last few pages Zurai is one I will be keeping my eye on. Lassr and Austin are always on my radar as well. But this is just a gut reaction. I will cast a vote in a few hours. We definitely need to get this lynch on.

Silky · Post by **Silky** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:12 pm

I am going to remove my wasted vote for Triggercut. If for no better reason than to make this a two horse race I will now vote for Lassr. If this makes me all the more suspicious to some then I will understand if it is a three horse race instead.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:18 pm

hmmm, a whole 8 minutes between Remus calling out Bubbles and Bubbles popping up.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:19 pm

Lassr wrote:hmmm, a whole 8 minutes between Remus calling out Bubbles and Bubbles popping up.

Its also worth noting that he popped in before I could go back and fix the tags. Under three minutes. Not 8.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:24 pm

Could Bubbles be the Dark Horse?

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:30 pm

Remus West wrote:
Lassr wrote:hmmm, a whole 8 minutes between Remus calling out Bubbles and Bubbles popping up.
Its also worth noting that he popped in before I could go back and fix the tags. Under three minutes. Not 8.

You people are reading into this way more then you should. I was at the dentist and just got settled in and checked the board. Let me put this to rest before it escalates and you lynch someone and go in the wrong direction. I am just a harmless villager. I know I haven't contributed much but that will change.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:35 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:You people

You people? YOU PEOPLE? Racist Werewolf! We're good enough to eat but not good enough for you to hang out with us?

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:09 pm

Austin wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:You people
You people? YOU PEOPLE? Racist Werewolf! We're good enough to eat but not good enough for you to hang out with us?

Is that a pitchfork in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:31 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:
Austin wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:You people
You people? YOU PEOPLE? Racist Werewolf! We're good enough to eat but not good enough for you to hang out with us?
Is that a pitchfork in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

Is there an opinion coming from all this sometime or are you just going to be snarky?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:44 pm

Remus West wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:
Austin wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:You people
You people? YOU PEOPLE? Racist Werewolf! We're good enough to eat but not good enough for you to hang out with us?
Is that a pitchfork in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
Is there an opinion coming from all this sometime or are you just going to be snarky?

I took his comment as a light-hearted joke fwiw.

Zurai · Post by **Zurai** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:47 pm

Austin wrote:I took his comment as a light-hearted joke fwiw.

I did too - but Remus is right. Mr. Bubbles, you really need to start participating. You're even worse about that than I am!

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:52 pm

Zurai wrote:
Austin wrote:I took his comment as a light-hearted joke fwiw.
I did too - but Remus is right. Mr. Bubbles, you really need to start participating. You're even worse about that than I am!

It was a light hearted joke IMO, but Zurai is correct about what I was saying. He does the village ill by sitting back and not contributing.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:06 pm

Austin wrote:Could Bubbles be the Dark Horse?

He has been before.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:15 pm

After much review:

1. Withdraw Silky. I remain extremely suspicious. Pulling his vote from me and onto Lassr seems extremely wolf-like. I think it to be the second-most compelling bit of evidence I've seen in thread so far. It feels like my first lynch vote in the vampire game when I was a vamp.

2. Lassr or Austin? Neither feels wolfy. I may be totally wrong, but both guys are so casually throwing out wolf references at one another that it implies to me that they're both innocents at this point. Just playing my gut here.

3. Zurai feels about as suspicious as it gets. His specials reasoning just feels wolfish to me.

Right now the two big suspects I see:

Zurai and Silky.

Suspect:

Mr. Bubbles, pr0ner

Zurai · Post by **Zurai** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:19 pm

triggercut wrote:3. Zurai feels about as suspicious as it gets. His specials reasoning just feels wolfish to me.

<blinkblink> I can understand being considered suspicious - I have literally never played one of these games where everyone wasn't saying I'm suspicious - but what about my specials reasoning brings that up?

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:39 pm

Remus West wrote:
Zurai wrote:
Austin wrote:I took his comment as a light-hearted joke fwiw.
I did too - but Remus is right. Mr. Bubbles, you really need to start participating. You're even worse about that than I am!
It was a light hearted joke IMO, but Zurai is correct about what I was saying. He does the village ill by sitting back and not contributing.

Depends on you. But honestly don't expect me to feel guilty when life gets in the way once in a while. If you want to read into my absense then thats fine, but it was nothing more then life getting in the way. I have been reading over everything, but focusing on me at the moment won't produce much.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:36 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:
Remus West wrote:
Zurai wrote:
Austin wrote:I took his comment as a light-hearted joke fwiw.
I did too - but Remus is right. Mr. Bubbles, you really need to start participating. You're even worse about that than I am!
It was a light hearted joke IMO, but Zurai is correct about what I was saying. He does the village ill by sitting back and not contributing.
Depends on you. But honestly don't expect me to feel guilty when life gets in the way once in a while. If you want to read into my absense then thats fine, but it was nothing more then life getting in the way. I have been reading over everything, but focusing on me at the moment won't produce much.

Don't expect you to feel guilty, and would feel bad if you did on my account. Live intrudes on us all, see my diplomacy game 1 thread for slight evidence. Still, IMO, you have proved your worth before if only as able to point in the wrong direction like I used to so I would like to see who you think our best target is for today. Plus, your voice may break this deadlock. Take care of life and then give us your thoughts.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:14 pm

Lynch Remus West

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:24 pm

and life will intrude on the game for me tomorrow. I'll be here until around lunch then I have to travel to Vanderbilt University in Nashville. Will not be back until late.

Right now I still feel like Austin could be a wolf but I'm not sure I want to lynch him now. I'm having too much fun with him and I'd miss that...

So I have other targets so I'll reread and may change my vote. We've got to break this stalemate.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:00 pm

Remus West wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:
Remus West wrote:
Zurai wrote:
Austin wrote:I took his comment as a light-hearted joke fwiw.
I did too - but Remus is right. Mr. Bubbles, you really need to start participating. You're even worse about that than I am!
It was a light hearted joke IMO, but Zurai is correct about what I was saying. He does the village ill by sitting back and not contributing.
Depends on you. But honestly don't expect me to feel guilty when life gets in the way once in a while. If you want to read into my absense then thats fine, but it was nothing more then life getting in the way. I have been reading over everything, but focusing on me at the moment won't produce much.
Don't expect you to feel guilty, and would feel bad if you did on my account. Live intrudes on us all, see my diplomacy game 1 thread for slight evidence. Still, IMO, you have proved your worth before if only as able to point in the wrong direction like I used to so I would like to see who you think our best target is for today. Plus, your voice may break this deadlock. Take care of life and then give us your thoughts.

I'll be posting my vote tonight. I will have some quiet moments to think. Then we shall send someone to the gallows.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:37 pm

Zurai wrote:As I've said four times now, me changing my vote now would have absolutely no effect whatsoever.

If you really and truly believe that, throw your vote on Austin for a few hours. Lets see if you changing votes has absolutely no effect whatsoever.
Before you call me rabid, please understand that I'm totally ok with you not changing you vote too.
I just think your statement about your vote at the moment having no signifigance is totally wrong.
Exactly what happens when a person is 1 vote shy of a majority is almost always informational.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:55 pm

/walks in, exhausted, head spinning, mumbling w ords “Chomsky, positive transfer, Stephen Krashen Hypotheses, ethnographic study, bilingual education. “

/rolls his eyes, and plops to the ground

/looks into his bag for a drink of any sort, not finding anyway walks back into his hut,

/comes back with a steaming cup in one hand and a flask in the other, pours generously from the flask into the cup, takes a few deep pulls, clears his throat and starts talking

“My apologies all, life is hectic, and as much as I want to participate, I have other obligations at times. This will be a bit of a long post so bear with me. I feel as if you folks who are sitting in here all day pushing and pulling should at least know where my thoughts are, to at least know where i am thinking and perhaps guide yoru thinking. Again, sorry for lack of participation. I am hoping that this post makes up for it.

First off – remove Remus vote

Second of all – vote lassr

Basing the reason on his Austin vote and also Remus reasoning of a bandwagon emerging. I looked at the Austin vote, and what is interesting is that remus pretty much called it out, and it stopped dead in it’s tracks. The first on there was proner, truicy, unaqi and then Lassr. (I think that is how it went). I think lassr thought ok the wind can blow that way. Also, I think people have a natural suspicion of austin, and hence wolves thought easy candidate. so i think lassr is a bad guy and either proner or truicy potentially. will have to think it through, but the more obvious one is lassr right now.

I haven’t witnessed something that makes me think Austin is a bad guy. However, when many of these votes coming down on him, use the fact that “he’s sneaky” as part of the building rationale. That's kind of lazy. I know first day and what not but when we vote we need to vote on something more solid than that. Look at Silky’s premature vote on triggercut- suspicious? Look at Bubbles 5 minute response? Suspicious? Hell look at me, it looks like I was tryin to jump on a remus railroad and am now hopping on the lassr express? I just think there are other things to base this off of and think that hte villagers should use some logic and evidence when applying their vote. We cant afford to screw up too often in this game.

Why am I removing Remus, well his actions ( of the last few days) to be honest indicate to me more of a thoughtful and vigilant villager (woohoo alliteration). That is really one of the main reasons. I accept his explanation on his seer bit. I still don’t like it, because I don’t like fingers pointed in any direction wether they are false or not.

Ok that brings me to the suspect lis –

Those who I think are lycanthropic
Lassr – I think his voting pattern explains it all. Also his actions really.
Silky – that day one move still makes my eyebrows wrinkle

Probably innocent
Remus – as explained above

Everyone else falls somewhere in the middle.

/bows and leaves the area

/ooc am sorry this is so disjointed and discombobulated. Am actually pretty tired. Will try to keep up and what not. Yeah i know this doesnt read the best guys. And hopefully this provides some insight into my thinking right now.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:58 pm

meant to add

i also am not too foond of bubbles participation, i know this is like the pot calling the kettle blacki though.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:13 pm

We need to seance Grund.

I was just sitting here and trying to remember when was the last time I was lynched as an innocent. Been a looooong time♦.

The other player I was looking at is Silky. I'm not sure I see enough to move my vote off Austin though.