Warhammer - Burn the Heretic! Emperor's Children WIN!

[Remus West]

I think it will be interesting to see how Purge, ChaosRaven, Mr. Bubbles vote.

Be interesting to hear from Purge or Bubbles IMO.

[Unagi]

Remus, just to clarify...

You are voting Unagi because he is playing with an aggresive style that leads you to think he is either the convert or the converter (or the shooter).

I lean towards you being the conveter actually because you pushed like this yesterday as well which means you were creating a shelf life for yourself. I admit that yesterday I figured you were a non-special trying to get yourself killed though so I am not fully sold on the idea. It is the best I have right now though so I am willing to pursue it and see what happens.

Not sure what to say here - you think I am the Converter now - because I created a shelf-life for myself yesterday. I would think that the Converter, yesterday, was playing it pretty safe and going with the flow - - not creating a shelf-life....

All I can really say is that I certainly wasn't trying to create a shelf-life for myself yesterday.
I'd ask you for an example of me creating a shelf-life for myself, but I am guessing it's just a nuance to my posting that you won't be able to really point out. Which is fine I guess.

[Unagi]

Remus, just to clarify...

You are voting Unagi because he is playing with an aggresive style that leads you to think he is either the convert or the converter (or the shooter).

Hmm, I may have to vote for you for slipping into the 3rd person and going all Royal on us.

Unagi wouldn't like that.

[stessier]

I am guessing it's just a nuance to my posting that you won't be able to really point out. Which is fine I guess.

I bet I could make it look like you are framing Bubbles.

[Scoop20906]

Remus, just to clarify...

You are voting Unagi because he is playing with an aggresive style that leads you to think he is either the convert or the converter (or the shooter).

Hmm, I may have to vote for you for slipping into the 3rd person and going all Royal on us.

Unagi wouldn't like that.

Don't make him hungry. You wouldn't like him when he's hungry.

[Unagi]

I am guessing it's just a nuance to my posting that you won't be able to really point out. Which is fine I guess.

I bet I could make it look like you are framing Bubbles.

Sounds like fun - let's see it!

[Austin]

Yeah, the 3 vote majority is massive for the baddies

So last night wasn't a protection then?

[Remus West]

Remus, just to clarify...

You are voting Unagi because he is playing with an aggresive style that leads you to think he is either the convert or the converter (or the shooter).

I lean towards you being the conveter actually because you pushed like this yesterday as well which means you were creating a shelf life for yourself. I admit that yesterday I figured you were a non-special trying to get yourself killed though so I am not fully sold on the idea. It is the best I have right now though so I am willing to pursue it and see what happens.

Not sure what to say here - you think I am the Converter now - because I created a shelf-life for myself yesterday. I would think that the Converter, yesterday, was playing it pretty safe and going with the flow - - not creating a shelf-life....

All I can really say is that I certainly wasn't trying to create a shelf-life for myself yesterday.
I'd ask you for an example of me creating a shelf-life for myself, but I am guessing it's just a nuance to my posting that you won't be able to really point out. Which is fine I guess.

Heh, I'd have to quote every single post you made yesterday to do it as it was more of how aggressively you were pushing your ideas than any single post. As for the converter laying low, I'm not certain I agree with that. I would guess he would avoid being the main push of the lynch but being out front and getting someone offed so they get to the night and get to create the beserker.

Anyway, I want to see how it plays out. Already got one little interesting tid bit.

[Unagi]

You mistake my outspoken boredom for pushy

I just posted like I always do.

I'll try and play the game like everyone else from now on.

[Unagi]

I'll try and play the game like everyone else from now on.

Yeah right.

Anyhoo... These are the relevant posts I made "yesterday"

If he was "due" last time, he is "over-due" this time.
 mipe 
 

I do not understand the mipe train

What's to understand - it's Day 1 bub...
You don't join this train because you don't understand it, but then simply offer up Austin because we aren't invading Canada.
I appreciate the humor and all, but you are about to go to Hawii and leave us all with a meaningless vote on Austin?
Your "poke the quiet fowl of anti-order" didn't produce a peep, but you are just going to drop it?
You are going to Hawaii?

and do not subscribe to the triggercut principle so I'm not ready to vote there.

Yeah, well this train isn't based on the TP. The TP is just a re-branding of a "recipricating vote", which I may add, is simply a way for wolves to hide their vote.
The whole TP is a total joke, I am glad you don't subsribe to it.

Maybe if he gets close enough to be killed I can Scoop him.

Are you going to be checking in next week while you are in Hawaii? Do you plan to swoop/scoop in before the end of this game-day at some time, or is this just your way of staying off the mipe vote?

Thanks Lassr, I would like to hear from mipe in non-morse before being voted over.

 Withdraw Lassr 
 

I guess you guys missed where he voted for himself a few posts up?

Thanks Lassr, I would like to hear from mipe in non-morse before being voted over.

 Withdraw Lassr 
 

I guess you guys missed where he voted for himself a few posts up?

I saw it, that's one of the reason's I withdrew. He's not creeping me out right now.

 purge 
 
his "obvious" post earlier kind of bothered me, it's like he was trying to help but just stated something obvious. I got nothing else to go on right now.

So we get a guy up to N-1 votes. He announces he's a normal marine and so you start a march on Purge.

I can't wait to see what stessier says about all this.

Wolves do not rush the first day any more or less than others, that is true. I did not accuse you of being a wolf.

Hmm, yeah - but we all know how that line ("Why are you trying to rush into night?" ) is used, and you indeed did use it in that way. You made it clear the game was moving faster than you would like, and wanted to know if it was going at a pace I was OK with. Seemed a wee bit accusational.

I haven't made up my mind on you or anyone else just yet

I can't imagine any of us have.

and am unlikely to any time soon.

also, not a problem - for a couple days.

However, I see nothing in the "mipe finally did not leave a hint" activity to make me want to lynch him quickly.

yeah, no need to do it quickly. We can wait a couple of RL days. I think we have til X-Mas if we want to.

You think that maybe, after several games of being berated for it, he decided it might be a good idea to stop? After all, that is basically what his code message says.

I am not voting for mipe because he left no hint. I may be voting for mipe because he's left hints in the past.

Lynch him or not, I do not care.

10-4 You have no love for mipe.

I may even vote him myself by the end of the day.

Options: open <---- that's for stessier

Let's give mipe some more breathing space here. No rush.
 withdraw mipe 
 

Accuse whore.

No charge, baby, I'm a slut. hi stessier

Funny that your last 2 posts imply an accusation against me then immediately do the same to the player I am voting against.

First of all, not really accusing you - so much as questioning you.

Second, you do NOT have any real vote on Austin. You have a joke on Austin right now. Your vote is framed in such a way that you don't have to explain it, defend it, answer for it, or anything. This is not you accusing Austin of being EC, you have simply teased him. You don't expect anyone to join you - certainly not 'seriously', but as you Just demonstrated, you can indeed still use that vote as if it's real, while making a point.

Thirdly, you make it sound like the last game didn't have Mr Bubbles and Semaj toying around with one another for the first couple days, throwing 'joke-votes' on one another (or at least in one direction, can't recall if it was reciprocated, probably was). Now, why should the fact that Semaj tossed a vote on Mr Bubbles stop someone from musing they could both be wolves. ("Semajulated!? You Ass Hat!!" == "I am voting for Austin, for being Canadian") Both comical, personal reasons to 'vote' for someone, but harmless.

You two both being wolves is not at all effected by the fact that you have a vote on Austin.

And to that, I don't really know when I really actually even accused Austin - so much as I most truly and sincerely found his post to be totally weird, not exatly 'wolf' - just weird.... like - a non sequitur. As if his vote for Lassr was some how connected to Lassr's long tradition of killing mipe before mipe could get a chance to turn off his morse-code.

As for voting against mipe because he left hints in the past or did not do so now, there really is no difference.

You didn't really read what I meant by that correctly....

It is a vote based on a behavior change either way.

Nah, I just don't want to lose to mipe. So, if he is EC - I'd like to catch him, perhaps more than others. If I feel he's a special, then I don't want him to die, as that hurts my chances to win. If he is not EC, the EC now know what else he isn't.... you don't declare 'normal marine' if you are a special and vote for yourself... He's lost his job as a marine, but we still can't be sure he really even is one.

That's why I will most likely be voting for mipe again. Why I picked him to start was the reason I just previously mentioned. Day one (esp. one with no previous night), there are just not many things to actually base a choice on.

I think mipe is sitting at 5 votes.

I have no problem putting mipe over as I hate getting someone to the edge, they spill their guts, then we start another. mipe stated he was just a space marine, if he's coached then they chose the wrong profession to get us to back off.

Think we have a few more days left in the "game day."

Now wait just one minute.

Wouldn't a re-read of the recent events show you starting a vote on purge, right after this all went down on mipe?

I pointed it out the moment you did it:

Thanks Lassr, I would like to hear from mipe in non-morse before being voted over.

 Withdraw Lassr 
 

I guess you guys missed where he voted for himself a few posts up?

I saw it, that's one of the reason's I withdrew. He's not creeping me out right now.

 purge 
 
his "obvious" post earlier kind of bothered me, it's like he was trying to help but just stated something obvious. I got nothing else to go on right now.

So we get a guy up to N-1 votes. He announces he's a normal marine and so you start a march on Purge.

I can't wait to see what stessier says about all this.

Not a single thing has changed.
Mipe had already put himself under your described:

I have no problem putting mipe over as I hate getting someone to the edge, they spill their guts.....

but back when it happened, you described what was in your head at that moment like this:

I saw it, that's one of the reason's I withdrew.

Which is it? Is it the reason you want to vote him over, or the reason you withdrew?

So, upon review - I guess I did indeed get 'aggressive' on you, Remus, and a bit and on Lassr too.

Really hardly anything beyond my norm though, at least it seems pretty normal to me.

[Remus West]

You mistake my outspoken boredom for pushy

I just posted like I always do.

I'll try and play the game like everyone else from now on.

More interested in why you are so worried about a theory I admit was made from grasping at straws (as noted, I am not completely sold on it myself). It was not the volume of posts you made but the nature of your push for mipe. I do not recall you as one of the folks eager to lynch assumed normals rather than shoot for a bad guy (admittedly I have not gone back and read so I need to since the break made everything to far back in real time for accurate recall on my part) and that is what I felt his lynch was. I could understand had it been stessier as he seems to like to kill those we can assume are non-special one the first day. I'm going to play Oblivion of a while now but I'll try to reread the thread tonight to make sure I am not misremembering how day 1 went. Until then my vote stands as you are in no danger and I still want to see how others react.

[Remus West]

heh, I did not even consider you aggressive towards me. I thought of that as our normal level of activity between us.

[Unagi]

More interested in why you are so worried about a theory I admit was made from grasping at straws

I'm not exactly worried about your theory Remus, I am discussing it - isn't that what we should do in these games... discuss points and see if people can read into things or not, etc.

If you sense any frustration, it's probably just me wishing that a few of our quiet players would actually come out and play (and I am not at all even talking about Purge and Mr Bubbles really, although they should return soon I hope).

We are nearly half done with this day and we heard just 2 or 3 posts from most of the players. Not much to make choices from.

Some people like to play this game simply by not posting much at all. Good or Evil - that's simply not the way I like to play it.

To each his own.

Currently I have a couple people I lean "good guy" with (maybe just 1 really)
I have a couple that are leaning "bad guy" with me. (more like 4 really)


(Just saw Purge on Steam and reminded him that the game started again, as I haven't seen him post on OO for about 3 weeks)

[Unagi]

I'll try to reread the thread tonight to make sure I am not misremembering how day 1 went. Until then my vote stands as you are in no danger and I still want to see how others react.

I look forward to your review and all that.

[stessier]

I have a couple that are leaning "bad guy" with me. (more like 4 really)

Your subconscious really makes this too easy.

[stessier]

I'm more and more certain that Austin is evil. I can't believe the rest of you can't feel it. **insert some appropriate subject matter reference here that shows how witty I am**

Look at how he's posting. Look at how he didn't react "yesterday" to my vote and how he reacts now. And why was he the first to mention the possibility of a protection? Okay, he only beat me to it by a few hours as I was getting ready to Newcastle on all of you, but still...dang strange.

[Lassr]

Austin is high on my list. Granted, he usually starts there but he's done nothing to make him seem innocent. His play is like a few other times he was evil but then again he played this way as an innocent also. It's just so damn early to get any really good reads.

[theohall]

Since folks see this as the Children should be aggressive, I'll look guilty saying this - but the first two voters today were Scoop - who voted mipe - and Unagi - who also voted mipe.

I'm concerned about both and my votes already been cast.

[Unagi]

Since folks see this as the Children should be aggressive...

where "folks" = Remus

The reason I voted for mipe was simple.

In all the games that I have played with mipe, 75% of his post are jokes or riddles. The other 25% are just short replies to someone questioning his jokes and riddles.

99% of it seems to be about himself, and I don't think I've ever heard him really give much on the "whos and whats" of the games, it's often just about him.

So, in short, I didn't foresee him actually providing any analysis to the game or his opinion on people - and he was most certainly not a special, and could most certainly still have been a Bad Guy.

Once he announced he was a Marine (as was proper for him to do), the EC then knew he was not a Special and his duty of "Taking a Night-Bullet for a Special" was now beyond him.

[Austin]

I'm more and more certain that Austin is evil. I can't believe the rest of you can't feel it. **insert some appropriate subject matter reference here that shows how witty I am**

Look at how he's posting. Look at how he didn't react "yesterday" to my vote and how he reacts now. And why was he the first to mention the possibility of a protection? Okay, he only beat me to it by a few hours as I was getting ready to Newcastle on all of you, but still...dang strange.

So you can "feel" how evil I am. And you note my mention of protection, but not that it was funny that Scoop discounted the idea and only mentioned a situation with 3 wolves. What am I reacting to? I couldn't care less if you vote for me or not, rather I just view your vote on me as a safe vote. Right ow stessier and Scoop are at the top of my list.

 Stessier 
 


If he's not a wolf I'll eat my hat[/hat] cake. Yeah I'm hedging as I don't like hat. But seriously, stessier is pinging my wolfometer more than anyone else in this game.

[Unagi]

I have a couple that are leaning "bad guy" with me. (more like 4 really)

Your subconscious really makes this too easy.

Actually, it's funny you point that out - as when I Previewed my post that stood out to me as well.

[Lassr]

Since folks see this as the Children should be aggressive, I'll look guilty saying this - but the first two voters today were Scoop - who voted mipe - and Unagi - who also voted mipe.

I'm concerned about both and my votes already been cast.

why would they vote for someone today that was lynched yesterday?
wait, you mean they both voted mipe yesterday and then cast the first votes today...of course you voted a few minutes after them.

[Austin]

Wow, yeah, that [/hat] was supposed to be a strikethrough.

[Unagi]

If he's not a wolf I'll eat my hat[/hat] cake.

You got some kinda shat hat cake we need to know about?

[Unagi]

But seriously, stessier is pinging my wolfometer more than anyone else in this game.

Seriously, me too.
But I am not sure if it's more than 2 other people ping'n me radar.

I still think stessier was the convert.

[Scoop20906]

The Dead:
Mipe (no taint)
Semaj (unknown)

Majority is 6 votes. If no majority is met, voting ends at 5pm est on Friday, Jan. 9th.

Votes:
Purge(2) - Scoop20906, Lassr
Stessier(2) - Unagi, Austin
Unagi(2) - theohall, Remus West
Austin(1) - Stessier

No Vote: Purge, ChaosRaven, Mr. Bubbles

[Scoop20906]

But seriously, stessier is pinging my wolfometer more than anyone else in this game.

Seriously, me too.
But I am not sure if it's more than 2 other people ping'n me radar.

I still think stessier was the convert.

Yeah, but the reason you think that is because thats what you would have done. Instead, I'm looking at you and wondering why you is the only one trying to pin a convert rap on someone else? You kind of brought that point up on your own and out of the blue.

[Scoop20906]

Purge(2) - Scoop20906, Lassr
Stessier(2) - Unagi, Austin
Unagi(2) - theohall, Remus West

Hmmmm, two sets of votes on three suspects all of whom could be even be the three taints.

[Scoop20906]

Yeah, the 3 vote majority is massive for the baddies

So last night wasn't a protection then?

Yeah, I feel there wasn't a protection last night.

[Remus West]

But seriously, stessier is pinging my wolfometer more than anyone else in this game.

Seriously, me too.
But I am not sure if it's more than 2 other people ping'n me radar.

I still think stessier was the convert.

Why? What reason do you have to think he was the convert specifically? He has done nothing differently today than yesterday. Both days he simply posts a vote of Austin and essentially disappeared.

Anyway, I'm not seeing any action around my Unagi vote to give me reason to keep it there so I may as well make note of the little action I did see there and move on.

 withdraw Unagi 
 


Let us test another idea. Unagi said he alerted Purge the game was back on and yet....no show.
 Purge 
 

[Unagi]

But seriously, stessier is pinging my wolfometer more than anyone else in this game.

Seriously, me too.
But I am not sure if it's more than 2 other people ping'n me radar.

I still think stessier was the convert.

Yeah, but the reason you think that is because thats what you would have done. Instead, I'm looking at you and wondering why you is the only one trying to pin a convert rap on someone else? You kind of brought that point up on your own and out of the blue.

Scoop,
You said it yourself: "the reason you think that is because thats what you would have done."

But then you say that: "wondering why you [are] the only one trying to pin a convert rap on someone else?"

I am not sure what you are really saying or asking here. I am trying to find members of the EC.
We can find all 3 of them if we are able to detect something in their posts.
We can find the 'target of conversion', perhaps, if we try and put ourselves in the shoes of the converter.
The other 2 EC were chosen by random, and as such can't be discovered simply by putting ourselves in the shoes of the Game Moderator.

I am not sure what you mean when you say: "You kind of brought that point up on your own and out of the blue."
Out of the Blue? We are sitting here playing a WW game and I bring up my thoughts on who may have been chosen for being the convert. Why is that 'out of the blue' ?

[stessier]

Let us test another idea. Unagi said he alerted Purge the game was back on and yet....no show.
 Purge 
 

Yeah, I'm ready to go after the silents again. At least it will give our Seer time to do his work.

 Bubbles 
 


I still think Austin is guilty though.

[Unagi]

Let us test another idea. Unagi said he alerted Purge the game was back on and yet....no show.
 Purge 
 

Just for full disclosure:

I sent him a Steam Chat that basically said, "Hey, the WW game has started back up - you may want to check in."

He wrote back something to the effect of "I am on vacation, It'll be another day."



For totally full disclosure. I could be making this all up.

[stessier]

Why? What reason do you have to think he was the convert specifically? He has done nothing differently today than yesterday. Both days he simply posts a vote of Austin and essentially disappeared.

Not entirely true. I'm reading and responding. Sure, no indepth analysis, but I don't think there can be any right now. We don't have any verifiable EC activity yet. Semaj was forced the first night and nothing happened last night. So we're still in "anybody's guess" mode in my estimation. I think tomorrow will be much more interesting.

[Unagi]

Sure, no indepth analysis, but I don't think there can be any right now.

Has that always been your criterea for proceeding with your indepth analysis?

[stessier]

Sure, no indepth analysis, but I don't think there can be any right now.

Has that always been your criterea for proceeding with your indepth analysis?

Actually, no. Nice of you to notice.



(Movers are in the house and are quite efficient thus far. My 2 year old walked into her room and almost lost it. Upon seeing her crib taken apart..."My bed...you broke my bed. Daddy, what happened!?!?" Imagine in a squeaky high voice on the edge of tears. So cute!!)

[Remus West]

Sure, no indepth analysis, but I don't think there can be any right now.

Has that always been your criterea for proceeding with your indepth analysis?

Actually, no. Nice of you to notice.



(Movers are in the house and are quite efficient thus far. My 2 year old walked into her room and almost lost it. Upon seeing her crib taken apart..."My bed...you broke my bed. Daddy, what happened!?!?" Imagine in a squeaky high voice on the edge of tears. So cute!!)

Seems you find the distress of small children amusing. Perhaps we should be voting for you, ya evil bastage.

[Scoop20906]

The Dead:
Mipe (no taint)
Semaj (unknown)

Majority is 6 votes. If no majority is met, voting ends at 5pm est on Friday, Jan. 9th.

Votes:
Purge(3) - Scoop20906, Lassr, Remus West
Stessier(2) - Unagi, Austin
Unagi(2) - theohall
Mr Bubbles(1) - Stessier

No Vote: Purge, ChaosRaven, Mr. Bubbles

[Scoop20906]

Unagi, I thought it was pretty clear. I understand WHY you think Stessier would be a convert choice.

I just question why you brought it up. There had been no discussion of the convert suspect by anyone else. You, in effect, created the discussion out of the blue. Now, there is nothing wrong with airing your ideas, I just wondered (aloud) why you decided to do it.

I could easily see how you yourself would be an excellent convert if I was the converter.

BTW, Chaos, planning to vote today?

[stessier]

Seems you find the distress of small children amusing. Perhaps we should be voting for you, ya evil bastage.

You should see what I find amusing among adults, Big Boy. (This is a don't ask don't tell ship, right???)