[WW] TRON - Game Over - End of Line

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:09 pm

Lassr wrote:
stessier wrote:
Lassr wrote:
stessier wrote:Last night all we could scan was 1 Sector at a time. Unless you have poor reading comprehension, all us un-named programs should be able to scan 2 sectors tonight.
Spending to much time at the ENCOM meeting I think.
Are you suggesting there is a reason for a neutral program not to have joined team MCP?
No but your comment made it sound like all of us now had 2 scans automatically and that's only true if we ALL join ENCOM. I'm still weighing my decision.

The only reason not to have joined ENCOM is because backups don't work as ENCOM. It's a weak reason weighed against getting double the sectors searched.... ya know which is the way you GET the backups.

Joinging ENCOM is by no means permanent, you only have to stay for 2 cycles and then you can jump to users. Don't jump to corruption, we will be taking any of them out we can identify and I'm doing to assume anyone who scans as corruption is thorne or daft punk.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:18 pm

withdraw austin

PASS

seems like the safer thing to do right now, baring any hot & heavy leads

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:24 pm

witdraw theohall

Pass

Good plan.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:41 pm

MOD Notes: Sorry, got tired up this weekend and wasn't around to answer the questions so I can catching up now. Please repost your questions if I missed any...

Scoop, does an infected program show as Team Corruption or Team User/Encom when system scanned?

A system scan will show what team a program is on currently. Infections do NOT show up in a system scan. Infections will only show up in a virus scan (with the exception of Thorne who will only show if 75% of active programs are infected).

Scoop,

If both Sark and MCP are dead, can Encom win?

If Thorne is dead, can corruption win? Thorne and the Punks?

Sark has a natural ability to derezz and only needs Admin rights and a permission bit per use to execute (minus the freebie), correct?

Sark and the MCP do not need to be alive for ENCOM to reach it's victory conditions.

Thorne and Daft Punk do not need to be alive for Corruption to reach it's victory conditions.

Only the User's Team must have Flynn alive to reach it's victory conditions.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:41 pm

Votes:
Isgrimnur (3) - Unagi, Lagom Lite, Sectoid
Austin (1) - tru1cy
Lagom Lite (1) - Isgrimnur

Pass (4) - Stessier, coopasonic, Newcastle, RMC

Players with no vote:
Lassr, Remus West, Qantaga, Mr Bubbles, Austin, chaosraven, theohall,

Majority is 9 votes.

The hard deadline to terminate is Wednesday, February 2, 2011 by 10:00 pm (Eastern Time Zone). If no majority is met by the hard deadline we will move to Downtime 1 and there will be no termination.

Please let me know if I missed something.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:46 pm

MOD NOTES: Just a little further explanation, the unnamed programs can decide the fate of this game in many ways. I think the further you look at the rulez, everyone will realize that almost every action by one side can be reserved by another. I ask everyone's patience with this game as I am sure we will (and have) exposed some balancing issues. However, I firmly believe this will be a VERY fun rulez set and I intend to use it again very soon after this once everyone has had a chance to try it out and give feedback.

I really enjoy putting these things together and your enjoyment of them is #1 on my priorities.

Thank you for indulging me in this.

Scoop

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:04 am

withdraw Isgrimnur

Pass

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:43 am

Pass

Sectoid · Post by **Sectoid** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:07 am

withdraw Isgrimnur

Pass

Not enough information to terminate.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:05 am

pass

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:36 am

Yeah.
pass

there is wisdom in that.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:56 am

PASS

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:52 am

Head to read things a couple times, but going to Pass

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:59 am

Coop,

Just to make sure I got this right, we are not scanning tonight, right?

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:02 am

That should be enough on the pass bandwagon to get this thing moving.

I would encourage any of the users that are still neutral to login to ENCOM and start doubling up on your sector searches. Remember it's not permanent and we need all the code we can get. There will be plenty of time to switch teams in a couple days when we've taken in all the code on the grid.

The main goal now is to identify Team Corruption. Since no users should be joining corruption, they should easily be identifiable with system scans. There are only 10 of them though, so no point in wasting them yet. We need suspects.

stessier wrote:Coop,

Just to make sure I got this right, we are not scanning tonight, right?

Right, no point in it tonight.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:11 am

So, let me just get this concern out there right now:
I don't want to be left on the losing team, when enough people with enough bits move over to the User team.

I'm just a little concerned that I may be left collecting Reese's pieces while the mother-ship takes off.

And I'm (perhaps because I was there for the creation of the rules, and know how it was designed to be used (not nesisarily how it is going to be used)) - but I don't trust that enough people here are actually trying to make the same team 'win'. We can all sit here and assume "users" is the way to fight evil, but I think it would be a big mistake to just assume that's what everyone is doing.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:21 am

Unagi wrote:And I'm (perhaps because I was there for the creation of the rules, and know how it was designed to be used (not nesisarily how it is going to be used)) - but I don't trust that enough people here are actually trying to make the same team 'win'. We can all sit here and assume "users" is the way to fight evil, but I think it would be a big mistake to just assume that's what everyone is doing.

There's nothing users can do to help corruption, correct? Corruption can't win until around uptime 5 without being supremely optimistic, so you are left with Users and ENCOM. ENCOM has to identify and kill Flynn. How do you do that? The Users have easy mode, get the permission bits and winz0r. By Downtime 4 the grid should be picked clean, we all login to Users and see if we won. If we didn't, then the real game begins.

Regardless of what team you want to win, being on ENCOM now makes sense.

Perhaps this is naive and we still have to coordinate taking out corruption, but that's what I'm thinking right now. I'd love to see another viewpoint.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:32 am

Unagi wrote:So, let me just get this concern out there right now:
I don't want to be left on the losing team, when enough people with enough bits move over to the User team.

I'm just a little concerned that I may be left collecting Reese's pieces while the mother-ship takes off.

And I'm (perhaps because I was there for the creation of the rules, and know how it was designed to be used (not nesisarily how it is going to be used)) - but I don't trust that enough people here are actually trying to make the same team 'win'. We can all sit here and assume "users" is the way to fight evil, but I think it would be a big mistake to just assume that's what everyone is doing.

this was my concern also that I had been thinking about. Are we going to announce our move date openly when it happens or are we going to slyly slip from one team to another. I don't expect everyone to cooperate either. SOme may like ENCOM and stay, hell someone may join corruption just for the challenge but it would be rather stupid to join him this early though.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:46 am

coopasonic wrote:Regardless of what team you want to win, being on ENCOM now makes sense.

I agree with this. What I am talking about is tonight or tomorrow night, I am not sure when "we" will jump back to Team User. If I found
a whole bunch of bits last downtime, and I find a whole bunch tonight - well - I may leave ENCOM sooner than some other guy that still is trying to find 'any'. Or I may be that guy still trying to find any Bits, but then I start to find a whole bunch of derezzes and things that make it look like staying on ENCOM is the way to go.

In any case, I am not sure I am going to trust what everyone reports tomorrow as to 'what they found where'. To think that everyone is being honest about this is folly (IMO). Is there a reason to believe that everyone isn't just sharing nonsense while they hold their cards close to their chest?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:53 am

Lassr wrote:Are we going to announce our move date openly when it happens or are we going to slyly slip from one team to another.

Flynn and MCP get a Team Headcount every uptime, so it's not like it's going to be a surprise to them from a numbers standpoint. They don't get specific names, though.

If everyone joined last night, then they are stuck tonight and can join the Users tomorrow night. At that point, most of the gird will be searched and the infection should be minimal. I would say you probably want to be a User by that time.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:56 am

Unagi wrote:In any case, I am not sure I am going to trust what everyone reports tomorrow as to 'what they found where'. To think that everyone is being honest about this is folly (IMO). Is there a reason to believe that everyone isn't just sharing nonsense while they hold their cards close to their chest?

Of course sharing everything you've found is folly. I still think sharing the "where" is useful to everyone.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:02 pm

stessier wrote:
Lassr wrote:Are we going to announce our move date openly when it happens or are we going to slyly slip from one team to another.

Flynn and MCP get a Team Headcount every uptime, so it's not like it's going to be a surprise to them from a numbers standpoint. They don't get specific names, though.

If everyone joined last night, then they are stuck tonight and can join the Users tomorrow night. At that point, most of the gird will be searched and the infection should be minimal. I would say you probably want to be a User by that time.

I would think downtime 3 would be the time to switch personally, but if everyone is going to get antsy I'd go with the flow.

downtime zero, 18 sectors searched (minus overlaps)
downtime one, 26 sectors searched (minus overlaps) 44 max - still at least 20 left unsearched
downtime two, 26 sectors searched (minus overlaps) 70 max

It seems like one more night would be sensible.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:29 pm

So, clearly, the timing of when one Joined ENCOM will become critical.

Anyone that failed (for what ever reason) to join ENCOM on the first Downtime will now be out of synch with those that did it on Downtime 0.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 2:26 pm

Scanned 27.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 2:33 pm

Sector Scan Downtime 0

1 THIF_NEWCASTLE - 26
2 RBRD_THEOHALL - 45
3 SEAL_ISGRIMNUR
4 MOON_RMC - 25
5 DNGR_LASSR - 45 (ping)
6 YCAR_COOPASONIC- 46 (virus scan)
7 BABY_REMUS_WEST
8 EMPY_QANTAGA -17
9 ALIN_SECTOID - 23
10 STCH_STESSIER - 53 (virus scan)
11 POPP_MR_BUBBLES
12 DAVB_LAGOM_LITE - 24
13 AFRI_AUSTIN - 1
14 SUSI_UNAGI -23
15 BNDK_TRU1CY
16 SMPN_CHAOSRAVEN -27

No sectors from tru1cy, Bubbles, Remus, or Isgrimnur (unless I just missed them).

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 2:59 pm

Scanned 9

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:12 pm

Another view:

01|02|03|04|05|06|07|08
09|10|11|12|13|14|15|16
17|18|19|20|21|22|23|24
25|26|27|28|29|30|31|32
33|34|35|36|37|38|39|40
41|42|43|44|45|46|47|48
49|50|51|52|53|54|55|56
57|58|59|60|61|62|63|64

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:23 pm

i think i'll join encom for the multiple scans tonight,

fyi i will scan 2 & 3 also. SO hopefully we dont collide. just putting that upfront right now.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:31 pm

Newcastle wrote:i think i'll join encom for the multiple scans tonight,

fyi i will scan 2 & 3 also. SO hopefully we don't collide. just putting that upfront right now.

I'm on board with this. I'll take 4 and 5. Coordinating scans is in everyone's best interest.

Red is scanned, Yellow is (hard to read and) reserved for scanning.
01|02|03|04|05|06|07|08
09|10|11|12|13|14|15|16
17|18|19|20|21|22|23|24
25|26|27|28|29|30|31|32
33|34|35|36|37|38|39|40
41|42|43|44|45|46|47|48
49|50|51|52|53|54|55|56
57|58|59|60|61|62|63|64

editing to update with other users plans to scans. I figure this is an approved use of edits so I don't spam the thread.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:13 pm

I'll scan 6 & 7.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:44 pm

Put me down for 54 & 55.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:47 pm

So our plan is login to ENCOM for extra scans? Do we get to scan twice the night we join? If so, I will take 13 and 14. If not just 13.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:50 pm

coopasonic wrote:
Newcastle wrote:i think i'll join encom for the multiple scans tonight,

fyi i will scan 2 & 3 also. SO hopefully we don't collide. just putting that upfront right now.
I'm on board with this. I'll take 4 and 5. Coordinating scans is in everyone's best interest.

Red is scanned, Yellow is (hard to read and) reserved for scanning.
01|02|03|04|05|06|07|08
09|10|11|12|13|14|15|16
17|18|19|20|21|22|23|24
25|26|27|28|29|30|31|32
33|34|35|36|37|38|39|40
41|42|43|44|45|46|47|48
49|50|51|52|53|54|55|56
57|58|59|60|61|62|63|64

editing to update with other users plans to scans. I figure this is an approved use of edits so I don't spam the thread.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:51 pm

Chaosraven wrote:So our plan is login to ENCOM for extra scans? Do we get to scan twice the night we join? If so, I will take 13 and 14. If not just 13.

*Looks in the mirror* SCOOP! SCOOP! SCOOP!

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:17 pm

Chaosraven wrote:So our plan is login to ENCOM for extra scans? Do we get to scan twice the night we join? If so, I will take 13 and 14. If not just 13.

We were not allowed to Login, "last night", right? (I didn't, but I admit, I actually just placed my scan order before I thought about it), so I am guessing that no one has yet 'logged in' anywhere. Is that right? If we needed to send that order in last night, I'm going to be off by a night. (like I've been worried about

)

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:24 pm

Unagi wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:So our plan is login to ENCOM for extra scans? Do we get to scan twice the night we join? If so, I will take 13 and 14. If not just 13.
We were not allowed to Login, "last night", right? (I didn't, but I admit, I actually just placed my scan order before I thought about it), so I am guessing that no one has yet 'logged in' anywhere. Is that right? If we needed to send that order in last night, I'm going to be off by a night. (like I've been worried about )

I did not receive any errors from my login command. Maybe the command parser was glitching, but I also didn't see anything to indicate that we couldn't log on on downtime zero.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:28 pm

The downtime 0 boilerplate mentioned that we had the option to log in.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:38 pm

I did not login to Encom last night either... So I will just scan 64.

Sorry, didn't really think about being able to switch sides, and was still debating which way to go.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:51 pm

I don't know why I thought there was a block on the first night's Login. I just know that I didn't do it on the first night and have been worried about being left behind since then. When Chaos wrote what he wrote - I thought, Oh - hey, maybe I didn't actually miss anything yet?

So, Coop, for instance, - you scanned 2 sectors last night, but are only telling us about #46? is that right?

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:02 pm

Unagi wrote:So, Coop, for instance, - you scanned 2 sectors last night, but are only telling us about #46? is that right?

I logged into ENCOM and gave an order to scan 46 and a conditional order to scan 47 if that was allowable. That part isn't clear from the instructions and I got no feedback from the mod on whether I scanned one sector or two successfully. I assumed I had only scanned one until CR asked the question above.