[WW] Deep Cover (Postmortem)

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:23 am

by the way, last night was an absolutely mind blowing experience, and i think we are in trouble, and i think the temple got multiple tokens two nights prior, and that the day before yesterday the treasurer was a templar. The day of triggercut's actual lynch also.

Let's not rush this please.....for the first part of my act.....

I was the treasurer yesterday, i am going to be a bit vague with numbers also, or add in a bit of a haze because of the following......

For the second part of my act

Whoever stole from me last night, it was my gift to you. And I purposely left them there for you. I want us to succesfully lynch unagi, hence I figured whoever was going to pick my pocket, was most likely a wallie.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:51 am

Oh, I cannot wait to hear this.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:10 am

it's pretty fascinating actually proner, especially the deductions one can make from my results. Let me put it this way, i was very, very busy last night. And i am going to hold my tongue a bit, because I donated money to a few folks yesterday. i want them to come forward and confirm that i did do that and I want them to explain what they did with the cash.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:18 am

Participants:

Austin
Chaosraven
Kenetickid
Lagom Lite
LordMortis
Newcastle
paulbaxter
pr0ner
Remus West
Scoop20906
Sean, Minister of KtSP
stessier
theohall
triggercut
Unagi

___.oOo.______.oOo.______.oOo.______.oOo.______.oOo.______.oOo.______.oOo.___

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:38 am

Newcastle wrote:it's pretty fascinating actually proner, especially the deductions one can make from my results. Let me put it this way, i was very, very busy last night. And i am going to hold my tongue a bit, because I donated money to a few folks yesterday. i want them to come forward and confirm that i did do that and I want them to explain what they did with the cash.

I have no words, other than this: way to make yourself look like you're a Templar.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:51 am

ORLY?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:52 am

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:34 am

Newcastle wrote:it's pretty fascinating actually proner, especially the deductions one can make from my results. Let me put it this way, i was very, very busy last night. And i am going to hold my tongue a bit, because I donated money to a few folks yesterday. i want them to come forward and confirm that i did do that and I want them to explain what they did with the cash.

You didn't send any to me. No one likes me.

Is it too early to vote for Unagi yet? I wanna!

paulbaxter · Post by **paulbaxter** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:40 am

Lagom Lite wrote:
Is it too early to vote for Unagi yet? I wanna!

WAAAYYY too early for you, especially since you've gone back to yesterday.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:16 am

paulbaxter wrote:
Lagom Lite wrote:
Is it too early to vote for Unagi yet? I wanna!
WAAAYYY too early for you, especially since you've gone back to yesterday.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:31 am

stessier wrote:
paulbaxter wrote:
Lagom Lite wrote:
Is it too early to vote for Unagi yet? I wanna!
WAAAYYY too early for you, especially since you've gone back to yesterday.

I'm guessing he's making a crack at differing time zones.

paulbaxter · Post by **paulbaxter** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:41 am

Notice what is different about this post compared to the one above it.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:07 am

I lied.

Unagi

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:09 am

paulbaxter wrote:Notice what is different about this post compared to the one above it.

Oh.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:13 am

I got nothing in terms of funds.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:48 pm

Yesterday i got 440 bucks to play with. Now i found it amusing that I got those funds, since i'm pretty high on the suspect list.

Eventually I came to the conclusion that I would have to rule out buying any sort of profiling gizmo, any sort of CBTR gizmos, nothing. Because they'd be stolen before I could use them, and whoever stole them would think i was guilty as sin. That sucked because I really wanted to scan scoop and triggercut.

The other quandry I faced was who should I shoot that money out to. I was also certain that a conversion had happened. I had to disberse funds prior to getting any feel for people. So i shot them out to two people who i semi- trusted, in my gut that is. One of those was Remus. The other person I shall not say whom, and I hope they do not step forward, because I think they were the ones who picked my pocket. And i really want to make sure they use those BB's to enable Unagi's lynch. Yeah I changed my tune from last night.

And here is where I am going to be really, really vague with figures. Because I do not want the temple to have any idea how many BB's we have to enable a lynch.

So after I shot out the initial funds. I had all day to think about how I was going to approach the evening. I really had one recourse, and that was doing a huge BB operation.

The first part of my operation was a thieving operation from everyone, except the two people who I sent money out to. And I layered it on thick. I thought that I was going to be trailed, so I made sure that my first thieving operation was enough to shake any potential trails therefore enabling me to steal from everyone else.

Well here's the funny part - I was thwarted in everyone place, except for three people. Now, i know I wasn't trailed, because through the order of my operations, I was able to shake them off, on my first person. The obvious conclusion was that MY targets were trailed. Now, I put multiple thieving BB on them. So to not steal from them and get the thwarted message is an eyeopener. That meant that the temple sent a trail, multiples on many different players. That was a good chunk of change. More than they could have gotten from what their treasure gets.

Also, I made sure that I left some BB's in my inventory. Think of it as forward thinking. Because I was reasonably certain I was going to get stolen from. And whoever was going to steal from me, was in all likelihood a wallie. And I wanted to make sure we had enough BB to enable a lynch today.

The second part of my actions was that I put a protection scheme on everyone in the game except for Austin, Unagi and myself. They were able to cut that down also since Remus in fact died.

And if you ask why not Austin? Pretty much yesterday we thought the day 1 convert was most likely Austin, newcastle or LL. I can rule myself out, LL i was pretty certain clean due to his shelling out so much money. That left Austin.

The temple used a lot of money last night to do what they did. A lot. More than they could've possibly been alotted.

That leads to several conclusion. First the temple was the wall's treasurer two days ago. They
used that money to then use the profile gizmo on several players. Now, they have a nice little stock of tokens. Think about it, it makes sense. They are the ones who control wether a CCC happens or not. They can convert, causing the CCC or kill.

Second, they used a ton of money last night to prevent us from doing anything.

Third - Whoever I was not twarted from stealing is high on my suspect list. Since why would they prevent their partners from acting?

Fourth - I did not steal any profiling gizmos also.

Fifth - The three people I was able to steal from were - Austin, Proner, and Unagi. I only got booty from one of them. The other two their pockets were empty.

Sixth - Proner what were you doing with 2 PEKs and 7 credits?

Seventh - I am pretty certain our Bad guys are Austin, Proner, and Unagi.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:16 pm

LAME. Lame lame lame lame lame. I can't believe, with 400 credits, that's what you decided to do.

If you think I'm Temple, you are incredibly dense.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:20 pm

pr0ner wrote:

LAME. Lame lame lame lame lame. I can't believe, with 400 credits, that's what you decided to do.

If you think I'm Temple, you are incredibly dense.

proner - I was going to get stolen from regardless of what I did. So anything I did, was going to HAVE to be used up in BB operation. Anything after that was going to get solen. SO any type of gizmo - profiler, CBTR was going to get stolen.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:26 pm

Newcastle wrote:
pr0ner wrote:

LAME. Lame lame lame lame lame. I can't believe, with 400 credits, that's what you decided to do.

If you think I'm Temple, you are incredibly dense.
proner - I was going to get stolen from regardless of what I did. So anything I did, was going to HAVE to be used up in BB operation. Anything after that was going to get solen. SO any type of gizmo - profiler, CBTR was going to get stolen.

You're still being incredibly dense.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:40 pm

you dont find it interesting that everyone was trailed with a huge amount of cash? I mean what other options are there Proner? Please, do tell.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:50 pm

Newcastle wrote:you dont find it interesting that everyone was trailed with a huge amount of cash? I mean what other options are there Proner? Please, do tell.

I shouldn't have to tell. It should be obvious.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:03 pm

pr0ner wrote:
Newcastle wrote:you dont find it interesting that everyone was trailed with a huge amount of cash? I mean what other options are there Proner? Please, do tell.
I shouldn't have to tell. It should be obvious.

OK let me put in hypotheticals here right? This is the "explanation" i think you are hinting at.

You are the MOD, and you happen to have the secondary role of treasurer. So therefore you have a huge chunk of change at your disposal? Right?

Let me ask you this then. If you were in fact responsible for all of those trails that foiled me last night...why? Why were you so intent on preventing others, namely wallers acting? Why so many trails? Because, it was a lot, it was a huge splurge of cash?

Why didn't you use any profiling gizmos? Shouldnt I question your rationale of what you did with your money then?

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:06 pm

So incredibly wrong.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:12 pm

I got money from the Treasurer yesterday. I gave it all away except for the distribution bonus. A fair amount went to Remus.

I was not robbed last night.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:15 pm

ok so you weren't the MOD hybrid treasurer then.

That still doesnt explain the huge amount of trails that were on people yesterday proner.

The explanation can not be that I was trailed, I made sure i burned my trails.

The only explanation was that the others were trailed, and the amount of trails on people were incredible.

The only answer I can divine was that they had ample amounts of cash. There is no other explanation as to why they were trailed than to prevent these people from acting.

Are you hinting that we had a second treasurer for the wall? And if so, the question comes back to why the hell were they trailing them, when they should be profiling people.

I dont see any other rational explanation, so no the answer is not obvious Proner. You can hint at being the MOD, and that's fine. You shouldn't have to reveal that.

But someone went to great lengths to prevent others from acting.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:43 pm

You're still missing the point, but whatever.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:36 pm

pr0ner wrote:You're still missing the point, but whatever.

I don't know why you expect us to get anything. You explain nothing and don't contribute your thoughts.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:49 pm

pr0ner as a recent convert makes sense to me. Especially the last few pages of tirades. It's like he's a different person.

What's so awful about Newcastle's analysis pr0ner? I guess I must be stupid too, because you're looking more and more guilty to me.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:52 pm

For the record, I'm thinking Unagi, Newcastle and someone else. I have not had anything to steal so carry on wayward Newcastle.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:58 pm

stessier wrote:
pr0ner wrote:You're still missing the point, but whatever.
I don't know why you expect us to get anything. You explain nothing and don't contribute your thoughts.

Hey, it's not my fault when other people (namely, Lord Mortis) broadcast what happened and yet you still want me to spell things out for you when I really shouldn't have to go into any more detail than is absolutely necessary.

And my beef with Newcastle is this: why is the Great Wall treasurer giving out money to people by name and not by role? And why is he questioning why I had 7 credits? What am I supposed to do with 7 credits?

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:13 pm

pr0ner wrote:
stessier wrote:
pr0ner wrote:You're still missing the point, but whatever.
I don't know why you expect us to get anything. You explain nothing and don't contribute your thoughts.
Hey, it's not my fault when other people (namely, Lord Mortis) broadcast what happened and yet you still want me to spell things out for you when I really shouldn't have to go into any more detail than is absolutely necessary.

And my beef with Newcastle is this: why is the Great Wall treasurer giving out money to people by name and not by role? And why is he questioning why I had 7 credits? What am I supposed to do with 7 credits?

Because when i was given the money, no one was talking in the thread. I had to dole out the money before we could begin lynching. I didn't want to hold up the game also. You know the budgetary assesment period.

I was reasonably sure that a conversion happened. That means, everyone, everyone was fair game. That means anyone could have been converted. Including you Proner. So i really couldn't trust anyone. Did we still have a crypto? Did we still have an analyzer, did we still have a MOD?

Now, I also knew that if I threw the money out wily nilly, you guys were going to focus fire on me. That would not have helped the wall at all. I am innocent, I know that. You dont. That's fine.

That in fact was an advantage. So i trusted self. I dished out some cash to a couple of people I thought i could trust. Enough so they could act, but not enough to interfere with what i was going to do. I didn't want it going into the temple's hands. I didn't want to take that chance. The rest, I hoarded. I knew also, that I was going to get stolen from, so therefore I left some BB in my inventory.

But I also wanted to create as much information as possible, so that's why i devised that scheme. Steal from everyone. And then try to protect everyone. I had the funds to do that. Either way it would create information. I honestly was not expecting this result.

And this is where it gets better. Even if i am lynched. You guys are going to see..."oh he's a wallie" and see that I was speaking the truth.

What would you have done Proner in that uncertainty?

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:32 pm

you also had two PEK's on you proner..why did you need those?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:45 pm

Newcastle wrote: I was reasonably sure that a conversion happened. That means, everyone, everyone was fair game. That means anyone could have been converted.

I dished out some cash to a couple of people I thought i could trust.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:03 pm

Weird. I was sitting on 9 for awhile. Stess sent me 20 right before night, so I bought a couple of black bags, figuring they'd last till day. They got stolen.

Let that mean what it will for Newcastle.

Someone wake me when can vote for Unagi.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:06 pm

LordMortis wrote:Weird. I was sitting on 9 for awhile. Stess sent me 20 right before night, so I bought a couple of black bags, figuring they'd last till day. They got stolen.

Let that mean what it will for Newcastle.

Someone wake me when can vote for Unagi.

If you were sitting on 9, why did you not trail Unagi yesterday? What's the freaking point of us keeping on voting for Unagi if you people with stuff aren't trailing him?

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:13 pm

LordMortis wrote:Weird. I was sitting on 9 for awhile. Stess sent me 20 right before night, so I bought a couple of black bags, figuring they'd last till day. They got stolen.

Let that mean what it will for Newcastle.

Someone wake me when can vote for Unagi.

fascinating, absolutely fascinating. I am wondering if my thievings on you, disable the trails, enabling someone to swoop in after me? That's how i read it.

Austin - yeah, seems paradoxical when you take it out of context. As I said, i dished some out, and i had to go with a gut call. I gave enough so they could act, but not enough to hamper.

Oh also, another thing to think about, we still havent heard from the treasurer of two days ago.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:26 pm

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:26 pm

Austin wrote:
LordMortis wrote:Weird. I was sitting on 9 for awhile. Stess sent me 20 right before night, so I bought a couple of black bags, figuring they'd last till day. They got stolen.

Let that mean what it will for Newcastle.

Someone wake me when can vote for Unagi.
If you were sitting on 9, why did you not trail Unagi yesterday? What's the freaking point of us keeping on voting for Unagi if you people with stuff aren't trailing him?

I think he means he was sitting on $9. Not enough to do anything. I sent him $20. Then he acted and lost it.

This whole aspect is actually quite frustrating. But maybe that's just me.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:32 pm

Ahhh, without a $ figure I thought he meant black bags.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:38 pm

Austin wrote:Ahhh, without a $ figure I thought he meant black bags.

That would have been a lot of black bags to sit on.