Election integrity and the transfer of power

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:13 pm

El Guapo wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:11 pm
malchior wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:09 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:04 pm So, immediately after massive confirmed cyber-attack by Russia, the Pentagon halts all briefings with the Biden transition team. Seems legit.

Pentagon is playing it down as "we're overwhelmed by meetings and need a break". I remain...skeptical.
The stated rationale also makes no sense. (To paraphrase) We had only a few meetings left but *THEY WERE TOO MUCH TO HANDLE*. This is our national security apparatus. A complete shit show.
Is Chris Miller one of the last minute DoD Trump political appointees? I assume that he is? So hard to read this as anything other than finding an excuse to cut off transition briefings. Question is what else they're doing.

Yes - he is the Acting Sec. of Defense. One of the Trumpists they installed last minute. We likely shouldn't read anything into this but malevolence at this point.

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:39 pm

malchior wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:13 pm
El Guapo wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:11 pm
malchior wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:09 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:04 pm So, immediately after massive confirmed cyber-attack by Russia, the Pentagon halts all briefings with the Biden transition team. Seems legit.

Pentagon is playing it down as "we're overwhelmed by meetings and need a break". I remain...skeptical.
The stated rationale also makes no sense. (To paraphrase) We had only a few meetings left but *THEY WERE TOO MUCH TO HANDLE*. This is our national security apparatus. A complete shit show.
Is Chris Miller one of the last minute DoD Trump political appointees? I assume that he is? So hard to read this as anything other than finding an excuse to cut off transition briefings. Question is what else they're doing.
Yes - he is the Acting Sec. of Defense. One of the Trumpists they installed last minute. We likely shouldn't read anything into this but malevolence at this point.

Skinnypuppy, care to respond

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:43 pm

There are also some rumblings about leaks from the Biden team about the Russian hack, which may have played a role. But most likely just a Trumpist being a good Trumpist.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:45 pm

naednek wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:39 pm
malchior wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:13 pm
El Guapo wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:11 pm
malchior wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:09 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:04 pm So, immediately after massive confirmed cyber-attack by Russia, the Pentagon halts all briefings with the Biden transition team. Seems legit.

Pentagon is playing it down as "we're overwhelmed by meetings and need a break". I remain...skeptical.
The stated rationale also makes no sense. (To paraphrase) We had only a few meetings left but *THEY WERE TOO MUCH TO HANDLE*. This is our national security apparatus. A complete shit show.
Is Chris Miller one of the last minute DoD Trump political appointees? I assume that he is? So hard to read this as anything other than finding an excuse to cut off transition briefings. Question is what else they're doing.
Yes - he is the Acting Sec. of Defense. One of the Trumpists they installed last minute. We likely shouldn't read anything into this but malevolence at this point.
Skinnypuppy, care to respond

It is somewhat disconcerting to see my name featured so prominently in the news today.

The Meal · Post by **The Meal** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:47 pm

Skinypupy wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:45 pm It is somewhat disconcerting to see my name featured so prominently in the news today.

My mother is married to a James Holmes. *That* was a weird time.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:47 pm

Countdown to Biden inauguration as President:

33 DAYS

Paul Alexander to Agolf:

Sir, the peasants are complaining that they have no bread.

What, no bread? Then let them eat Covid.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:11 pm

Skinypupy wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:45 pm
naednek wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:39 pm
malchior wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:13 pm
El Guapo wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:11 pm
malchior wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:09 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:04 pm So, immediately after massive confirmed cyber-attack by Russia, the Pentagon halts all briefings with the Biden transition team. Seems legit.

Pentagon is playing it down as "we're overwhelmed by meetings and need a break". I remain...skeptical.
The stated rationale also makes no sense. (To paraphrase) We had only a few meetings left but *THEY WERE TOO MUCH TO HANDLE*. This is our national security apparatus. A complete shit show.
Is Chris Miller one of the last minute DoD Trump political appointees? I assume that he is? So hard to read this as anything other than finding an excuse to cut off transition briefings. Question is what else they're doing.
Yes - he is the Acting Sec. of Defense. One of the Trumpists they installed last minute. We likely shouldn't read anything into this but malevolence at this point.
Skinnypuppy, care to respond

It is somewhat disconcerting to see my name featured so prominently in the news today.

So what's your defense, Mr. Miller????

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:15 pm

El Guapo wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:11 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:45 pm
naednek wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:39 pm
malchior wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:13 pm
El Guapo wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:11 pm
malchior wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:09 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:04 pm So, immediately after massive confirmed cyber-attack by Russia, the Pentagon halts all briefings with the Biden transition team. Seems legit.

Pentagon is playing it down as "we're overwhelmed by meetings and need a break". I remain...skeptical.
The stated rationale also makes no sense. (To paraphrase) We had only a few meetings left but *THEY WERE TOO MUCH TO HANDLE*. This is our national security apparatus. A complete shit show.
Is Chris Miller one of the last minute DoD Trump political appointees? I assume that he is? So hard to read this as anything other than finding an excuse to cut off transition briefings. Question is what else they're doing.
Yes - he is the Acting Sec. of Defense. One of the Trumpists they installed last minute. We likely shouldn't read anything into this but malevolence at this point.
Skinnypuppy, care to respond

It is somewhat disconcerting to see my name featured so prominently in the news today.
So what's your defense, Mr. Miller????

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:44 pm

My mother's name is Julia Roberts, and they have the same accent.

We used to get some very excited sales calls.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:17 am

The Pentagon is still blocking Bidens team. Can Biden fire the lot them once in?

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:02 am

Daehawk wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:17 am The Pentagon is still blocking Bidens team. Can Biden fire the lot them once in?

Yeah, sticking it to the next man in doesn't seem like the brightest strategy. These derps must have figured they are on short time anyway.

Formix · Post by **Formix** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:14 am

The Meal wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:47 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:45 pm It is somewhat disconcerting to see my name featured so prominently in the news today.
My mother is married to a James Holmes. *That* was a weird time.

Michael Caputo is my BIL. No, not THAT one.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:06 am

Well as long as we are throwing down names...

My electrician is Bill Gates and I hang out with Bob Dylan when the neighborhood guys meet up to watch football at someones’s garage-bar.

Oh and I nearly forgot , my childhood best friend is R. Kelly, and he’s the one with the garage-bar. In fact, I met Bob Dylan through R Kelly.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:20 am

Countdown to Biden inauguration as President:

32 DAYS

Michael Flynn calls for martial law, then says he was just being a dick, and didn't mean Agolf should actually do it. Meanwhile, Tommy "Butterass" Tuberville vows to initiate an Agolf loyalty test in the Senate, citing the 3 branches of government as the Executive, the House, and the Senate.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:21 pm

Jaymann wrote:Countdown to Biden inauguration as President:

32 DAYS

Michael Flynn calls for martial law, then says he was just being a dick, and didn't mean Agolf should actually do it. Meanwhile, Tommy "Butterass" Tuberville vows to initiate an Agolf loyalty test in the Senate, citing the 3 branches of government as the Executive, the House, and the Senate.

Hey, Tubbyville's dad fought the socialists so we can take loyalty tests to our God anointed leader.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:36 pm

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/13 ... 38017?s=20

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/13 ... 54570?s=20

This whole episode is sheer madness.

If you don't know, Flynn's "suggestion" was literally to declare martial law and invalidate the election for states Biden won.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:56 pm

Shot down by who? We're missing a key detail there.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:07 pm

malchior wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:56 pm Shot down by who? We're missing a key detail there.

The Russian ambassador?

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:10 pm

Holman wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:36 pm https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/13 ... 38017?s=20

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/13 ... 54570?s=20

This whole episode is sheer madness.

If you don't know, Flynn's "suggestion" was literally to declare martial law and invalidate the election for states Biden won.

No wonder Barr left to plunder the Spanish Main. He would do anything for Agolf, but he won't do that.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:50 pm

Ok now someone needs to photoshop Barr's face onto Meatloaf for that video. I know you're thinking food but no ..no.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:13 pm

malchior wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:56 pm Shot down by who? We're missing a key detail there.

Per Haberman's article:

The White House counsel, Pat A. Cipollone, and the White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows, repeatedly and aggressively pushed back on the ideas being proposed, which went beyond the special counsel idea, those briefed on the meeting said. Mr. Cipollone told Mr. Trump there was no constitutional authority for what was being discussed, one of the people briefed on the meeting said.

The big picture is that Trump is unanchored from reality and is open to arguments from lunatics like Sidney Powell, Mike Flynn, and Lin Wood, and that staffers like Mark Meadows (himself an administration-long liar and grifter) and WH counsel Pat Cippolone are the last bulwark against Trump's narcissistic impulse to burn the Constitution.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:37 pm

My wife and I went on a walk this evening. We’ve been doing that a lot lately since the little one was born. Tonight we went to a new part of the neighborhood that we typically don’t go through. I saw at least 5 houses with Trump flags and yard signs still up. It seems foolish to have that stuff up this long after an election has been decided, but of course for them I guess the election is still happening.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:51 pm

Holman wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:13 pm
malchior wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:56 pm Shot down by who? We're missing a key detail there.
Per Haberman's article:

The White House counsel, Pat A. Cipollone, and the White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows, repeatedly and aggressively pushed back on the ideas being proposed, which went beyond the special counsel idea, those briefed on the meeting said. Mr. Cipollone told Mr. Trump there was no constitutional authority for what was being discussed, one of the people briefed on the meeting said.
The big picture is that Trump is unanchored from reality and is open to arguments from lunatics like Sidney Powell, Mike Flynn, and Lin Wood, and that staffers like Mark Meadows (himself an administration-long liar and grifter) and WH counsel Pat Cippolone are the last bulwark against Trump's narcissistic impulse to burn the Constitution.

Right. My incredulity is that Meadows and Cipollone can shoot down ideas all they want but Trump has zero impulse control. If he is leaning towards it, he'll eventually break down and try something. If Trump is shooting them down as too extreme well there would be at least that. This is all the worse with this Russia bullshit happening. One or the other is crazy but both at the same time? Yikes.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:03 pm

Agolf is so incompetent he doesn't realize he could have used the cyber attack as an excuse to enact martial law. But because it was Russia he downplayed it. #DiaperDon.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:09 pm

msteelers wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:37 pm My wife and I went on a walk this evening. We’ve been doing that a lot lately since the little one was born. Tonight we went to a new part of the neighborhood that we typically don’t go through. I saw at least 5 houses with Trump flags and yard signs still up. It seems foolish to have that stuff up this long after an election has been decided, but of course for them I guess the election is still happening.

It's more than an election, it's their identity.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:54 pm

https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/stat ... 5778177027

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:07 pm

Countdown to Biden inauguration as President:

31 DAYS

When you have to rely on Mark Meadows to talk Agolf down off the ledge while Sidney Powell is shouting for him to jump, you realize just how fragile democracy is.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:44 pm

Jaymann wrote:Countdown to Biden inauguration as President:

31 DAYS

When you have to rely on Mark Meadows to talk Agolf down off the ledge while Sidney Powell is shouting for him to jump, you realize just how fragile democracy is.

I may be a cautious optimist but if The Leader were to declare martial law and a recount in certain states, he's going to realize why our military takes an oath to uphold the Constitution rather than indulge the whims of a would be despot.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:28 pm

$iljanus wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:44 pm
Jaymann wrote:Countdown to Biden inauguration as President:

31 DAYS

When you have to rely on Mark Meadows to talk Agolf down off the ledge while Sidney Powell is shouting for him to jump, you realize just how fragile democracy is.
I may be a cautious optimist but if The Leader were to declare martial law and a recount in certain states, he's going to realize why our military takes an oath to uphold the Constitution rather than indulge the whims of a would be despot.

Yep, pretty sure the military is standing back and standing by for him to cross the line.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:24 pm

Daehawk wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:17 am The Pentagon is still blocking Bidens team. Can Biden fire the lot them once in?

The ones doing the blocking are political appointees, they will be gone automatically on Inauguration Day.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:22 am

I know it's illegal to destroy records and documents, but I have to wonder what the Trumpists are hiding and covering up before anyone even knows to look for it.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:57 am

I believe the official answer to that is "Fahgeddaboudit"

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:57 am

I'm sure the shredders are working overtime. Legality has never stopped this administration from doing whatever they want to protect themselves.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:32 am

They have shredders over furnaces over industrial ash-spreaders going full time.

"You say that we destroyed documents. Can you provide us with the documents as proof?"

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:55 am

Countdown to Biden inauguration as President:

30 DAYS

Agolf discusses seizing voting machines, martial law, a military coup, and appointing Sidney Powell as a special prosecutor with nutcases in the White House.

OTOH, Jill Biden thinks she is a "doctor."

So both sides.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:58 am

Someone pointed out this morning that if he's turning to a Special Counsel run by Powell as his best option, then it means that literally everyone else has told him no. He went towards the "popular" person that he kept seeing on the TV because the actual people in charge are letting him to get bent.

I'm...not sure that scenario is as comforting as they intended it to be.

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:04 pm

Jaymann wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:55 am OTOH, Jill Biden thinks she is a "doctor."

I'm confused by this. My understanding is that she goes by "Dr" because she has a doctorate. Has she also made claims to being a medical "doctor" that I'm unaware of? Or are you in the camp that only people with medical doctorates can be "Dr"s? And everyone else should drop it from their names?

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:07 pm

TheMix wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:04 pm
Jaymann wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:55 am OTOH, Jill Biden thinks she is a "doctor."
I'm confused by this. My understanding is that she goes by "Dr" because she has a doctorate. Has she also made claims to being a medical "doctor" that I'm unaware of? Or are you in the camp that only people with medical doctorates can be "Dr"s? And everyone else should drop it from their names?

It's a joke, son.

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:11 pm

Jaymann wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:07 pm
TheMix wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:04 pm
Jaymann wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:55 am OTOH, Jill Biden thinks she is a "doctor."
I'm confused by this. My understanding is that she goes by "Dr" because she has a doctorate. Has she also made claims to being a medical "doctor" that I'm unaware of? Or are you in the camp that only people with medical doctorates can be "Dr"s? And everyone else should drop it from their names?
It's a joke, son.

Okay. It didn't come across as one. Though I guess I should have known by how you've done the other ones. It just seemed serious. Which confused me since I didn't think you, or anyone on this forum, were in that camp.

I'll go get some more coffee and stop responding to threads this early in the morning...

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:14 pm

TheMix wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:11 pm
Jaymann wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:07 pm
TheMix wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:04 pm
Jaymann wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:55 am OTOH, Jill Biden thinks she is a "doctor."
I'm confused by this. My understanding is that she goes by "Dr" because she has a doctorate. Has she also made claims to being a medical "doctor" that I'm unaware of? Or are you in the camp that only people with medical doctorates can be "Dr"s? And everyone else should drop it from their names?
It's a joke, son.
Okay. It didn't come across as one. Though I guess I should have known by how you've done the other ones. It just seemed serious. Which confused me since I didn't think you, or anyone on this forum, were in that camp.

I'll go get some more coffee and stop responding to threads this early in the morning...

If you want to get serious, my Dad had a PhD and everyone referred to him as doctor. So yeah, it is a thing and normal.