Skinypupy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:19 pm
This is perfectly on brand.
Tweet goes here
“Zelenskyy is a thug. Remember that the Ukrainian government is incredibly corrupt and is incredibly evil and has been pushing woke ideologies.”
Cawthorn behaved like a Russian asset while denying his arranged meeting with his future Russian Ex Wife in Miami through his buddy coming back from Russia is anything to examine? I did Nazi that coming.
Edit, I assumed this was from a while ago. It's from last week.
Rep. Madison Cawthorn of North Carolina called Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy a "thug" and Ukraine's government "incredibly corrupt" and "incredibly evil" during a townhall in his homestate last Saturday.
Sometimes, a lot of work goes into something that just doesn't age all that well. Of course, to be fair to the NYT, the world of six weeks ago was a much different place.
MOSCOW — In the early years of Vladimir V. Putin’s tenure as Russia’s leader, the country’s military was a hollowed-out but nuclear-armed shell.
It struggled to keep submarines afloat in the Arctic and an outgunned insurgency at bay in Chechnya. Senior officers sometimes lived in moldy, rat-infested tenements. And instead of socks, poorly trained soldiers often wrapped their feet in swaths of cloth, the way their Soviet and Tsarist predecessors had.
Two decades later, it is a far different fighting force that has massed near the border with Ukraine. Under Mr. Putin’s leadership, it has been overhauled into a modern sophisticated army, able to deploy quickly and with lethal effect in conventional conflicts, military analysts said. It features precision-guided weaponry, a newly streamlined command structure and well-fed and professional soldiers. And they still have the nuclear weapons.
What's notable to me is that the column under attack appears to be retreating away from Kyiv. The direction they are moving is NE towards the Coca-Cola plant on the outskirts of that town.
Edit: Another interesting thing happens in the middle of video - one of the TOS rocket launchers fires to *north or north north west* about 45 degrees off the axis of the NE road direction.
Re: Ukraine
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:08 pm
by Daehawk
Who is Zelenskyy?
Re: Ukraine
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:26 pm
by Unagi
I just read that Putin is thinking of nationalizing Apple (in Russia). What would that even entail? Would the stores re-open for ~a week until they are drained of stock?
Re: Ukraine
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:27 pm
by paulbaxter
I tried watching Lavrov's press conference today, or as much as I could stomach. Once he said that Russia has NOT invaded Ukraine and defended bombing the maternity hospital since it was actually run by terrorists, I bailed out.
Also, and I say this over and over, if you have any interest in learning about Zelensky or just about Ukrainian political culture, absolutely watch Servant of the People. It was on Netflix for a while, but the episodes are all up on youtube now from what I hear. It's a fun show and demonstrates in a comedic way how politics generally work in Ukraine as well as why Zelensky became so popular.
edit: Obviously one should never look at youtube comments, but the comments on Lavrov's press conference are ALL people praising him and Russia and Putin. I'm baffled.
Re: Ukraine
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:32 pm
by Smoove_B
paulbaxter wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:27 pm
but the comments on Lavrov's press conference are ALL people praising him and Russia and Putin. I'm baffled.
Did you follow American politics closely from 2015 until 2020 so? Nothing surprises me anymore. Nothing.
Re: Ukraine
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:40 pm
by Alefroth
I'm seeing lots of pro-Russia/ Putin apologist comments on news articles coming from accounts in Africa. Very similar to the rise in pro-Trump accounts from Africa during his campaign. I wonder if troll farms in Africa are being spun up again.
Re: Ukraine
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:49 pm
by Octavious
I see lots of pro Russia comments from asshats at work. Yesterday they were brilliantly pondering if closing McDonald's in Russia is playing into Chian's hands where they can swoop in and take the market.
I don't think they grasp how dumb that is and how little money Russia has.
Very nice:
(from that BBC piece)
WHITE FLAG TACTIC
"From the front passenger seat Lt Gromadsky says, "Sometimes they use this tactic - first, they raise a white flag above their equipment, then come closer to our positions. When we come up and kind of take them as prisoners of war, they start to open fire on our troops."
And I love this, from a little further down:
"How are the Russians fighting, I ask. "They fight like stupid animals," says Reaper. "They fight like it's 1941 - they have no manoeuvrability, they just come to the front and that's all. They have a lot of people, a lot of tanks, a lot of vehicles, but we are fighting for our land, and we are protecting our families. it doesn't matter how they fight because we fight like lions and they won't win."
Re: Ukraine
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:03 pm
by Blackhawk
Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:54 pm
Very nice:
(from that BBC piece)
WHITE FLAG TACTIC
"From the front passenger seat Lt Gromadsky says, "Sometimes they use this tactic - first, they raise a white flag above their equipment, then come closer to our positions. When we come up and kind of take them as prisoners of war, they start to open fire on our troops."
Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:54 pm
Very nice:
(from that BBC piece)
WHITE FLAG TACTIC
"From the front passenger seat Lt Gromadsky says, "Sometimes they use this tactic - first, they raise a white flag above their equipment, then come closer to our positions. When we come up and kind of take them as prisoners of war, they start to open fire on our troops."
paulbaxter wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:27 pm
but the comments on Lavrov's press conference are ALL people praising him and Russia and Putin. I'm baffled.
Did you follow American politics closely from 2015 until 2020 so? Nothing surprises me anymore. Nothing.
I kept my eyes closed. I treated it as a Birdbox situation.
Re: Ukraine
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:34 am
by Formix
Rep. Madison Cawthorn of North Carolina called Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy a "thug" and Ukraine's government "incredibly corrupt" and "incredibly evil" during a townhall in his homestate last Saturday.
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Cawthorn is my Representative. I was completely blown away when he won (by a lot) since he is so transparently an ignorant tool. There is nothing about him that is honorable, trustworthy, or well-reasoned. But he loves stigginit to the libruls! He's currently doing a do-si-do with our gerrymandered and un gerrymandered districts, hopefully, it's enough for him to lose momentum. But as strange as it may sound, every time he gets nationwide coverage for some incredibly stupid thing he says, it actually increases his chances of getting reelected here....
Re: Ukraine
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:48 am
by Carpet_pissr
Most of these far right assholes aren’t stupid: they know very well that Stigginit (TM) is The Way. And probably the only way for most of them, which is why we see such stupid behavior and antics that most people find abhorrent.
I’d love to see some kind of graph plotting all the Cawthorn’s of our system, and how red or not their states/districts are.
I wonder if any correlation between the inanity of the comments and actions with how red their districts are.
My assumption is if you are in a solidly, deep red district, maybe you don’t have to do the clown show so much to gin up support? And the ‘Cawthorns’ of the world have to constantly crank out Stigginit to keep their (smaller) base riled up to combat the purple creep.
Abbott in Texas, for instance, has known for a while he would be challenged by O’Rourke. LOTS of ‘chatter’ coming from Abbott in the past 6 months.
Re: Ukraine
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 10:46 am
by Unagi
Pretty sure the more red your district, the more clown show you need to perform. It’s a race to the bottom. Their concern is being out clowned.
At the rate Ukraine is killing generals, they might be grateful for being sacked.
Unless "sacked" is a euphemism for getting killed? It is, isn't it?
UA seems to be whittling down the list of generals that need to be fired.
Ukraine’s authorities say MG Andrey Kolesnikov, Russia’s 29th Combined Arms Army commander has been killed.
This is yet to be confirmed!
Big if true — the elimination of military leaders on the ground gets really catastrophic for Russia.
The Ukrainian Armed Force officially confirms the general has been eliminated
Re: Ukraine
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 11:06 am
by LordMortis
Not to be flippant but the deck of cards killing approach to war seems to be working backwards. I wonder how many Russian leaders become craven and seek to lead from the Moscow, rather than the "trenches."
Re: Ukraine
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 11:12 am
by LawBeefaroni
FWIW, Russian Army Major General is roughly equivalent to a US Army Brigadier General.
LordMortis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 11:06 am
Not to be flippant but the deck of cards killing approach to war seems to be working backwards. I wonder how many Russian leaders become craven and seek to lead from the Moscow, rather than the "trenches."
Sadly, from a strategic standpoint we probably want the good ones dead, not the sycophants in Putin's orbit.
Re: Ukraine
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 11:13 am
by noxiousdog
This feels like Red Storm Rising in the Ukraine instead of Germany.
Re: Ukraine
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 12:09 pm
by Unagi
noxiousdog wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 11:13 am
This feels like Red Storm Rising in the Ukraine instead of Germany.
What’s the Persian Gulf in that analogy?
The Persian Gulf?
Re: Ukraine
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 12:33 pm
by Unagi
The US estimates that 2,000 to 4,000 Russian troops have died so far — roughly equal to the total number of US troops killed in its 20-year war in Afghanistan.
I think that's also close to the number of Americans killed by COVID in the last 2 days.
It sounds to me like they've found a way to take advantage of this tragedy by setting the stage to be able to blame him when Ukraine falls - just in time for midterms.
Re: Ukraine
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:23 pm
by Jaymann
Doesn't that risk going on Florida Man's shit list?
Re: Ukraine
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:25 pm
by Archinerd
Jaymann wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:23 pm
Doesn't that risk going on Florida Man's shit list?
Easy fix. Just say it doesn't!
Re: Ukraine
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:28 pm
by malchior
Jaymann wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:23 pm
Doesn't that risk going on Florida Man's shit list?
Not really. His attention span is too short. Even then, let's say the GOP badgers him into something and it ends up being a mess, Trump will just come along and complain about the terrible deal Biden negotiated. It doesn't have to be factual or require an analysis of the provenance. More than half of the press will cover it breathlessly. We've declined to the point that substance doesn't matter anymore.
noxiousdog wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 11:13 am
This feels like Red Storm Rising in the Ukraine instead of Germany.
What’s the Persian Gulf in that analogy?
The Persian Gulf?
Well, there's no submarines either. But the bog down due to poor equipment and strategy along with blaming the generals is spot on.
Gotcha, I just thought for a moment there I had missed some new development that furthered our plot.
whew.
Re: Ukraine
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:44 pm
by Blackhawk
Yeah, this puts it squarely on Biden's desk. It's unlikely that he does it, and their letter won't be taken into account in the decision either way. If he doesn't, he's to blame. If he does and it goes badly, he's to blame. If he does and it goes well (which could only be defined as a Ukraine victory), it doesn't get mentioned. Given the slim odds and low impact of a victory, it's a simple, manipulative strategy.
Jaymann wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:23 pm
Doesn't that risk going on Florida Man's shit list?
Not really. His attention span is too short. Even then, let's say the GOP badgers him into something and it ends up being a mess, Trump will just come along and complain about the terrible deal Biden negotiated. It doesn't have to be factual or require an analysis of the provenance. More than half of the press will cover it breathlessly. We've declined to the point that substance doesn't matter anymore.
absolutely true. the whole 'but then....' thought process is frustratingly pointless.
Re: Ukraine
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:46 pm
by Unagi
Blackhawk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:44 pm
Yeah, this puts it squarely on Biden's desk. It's unlikely that he does it, and their letter won't be taken into account in the decision either way. If he doesn't, he's to blame. If he does and it goes badly, he's to blame. If he does and it goes well (which could only be defined as a Ukraine victory), it doesn't get mentioned. Given the slim odds and low impact of a victory, it's a simple, manipulative strategy.
I think you are missing that "If he does and it goes well," they will declare it was all their doing.
Re: Ukraine
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:46 pm
by malchior
Putin is starting to lash out internally. It is hard to say where it'd go if this is accurate but more indication that this isn't going to plan.
Blackhawk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:44 pm
Yeah, this puts it squarely on Biden's desk. It's unlikely that he does it, and their letter won't be taken into account in the decision either way. If he doesn't, he's to blame. If he does and it goes badly, he's to blame. If he does and it goes well (which could only be defined as a Ukraine victory), it doesn't get mentioned. Given the slim odds and low impact of a victory, it's a simple, manipulative strategy.
I think you are missing that "If he does and it goes well," they will declare it was all their doing.
There are upsides to Biden, though. If he does it then it gives the U.S. response more of a bipartisan sheen, which is helpful for media and political coverage.
Blackhawk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:44 pm
Yeah, this puts it squarely on Biden's desk. It's unlikely that he does it, and their letter won't be taken into account in the decision either way. If he doesn't, he's to blame. If he does and it goes badly, he's to blame. If he does and it goes well (which could only be defined as a Ukraine victory), it doesn't get mentioned. Given the slim odds and low impact of a victory, it's a simple, manipulative strategy.
I think you are missing that "If he does and it goes well," they will declare it was all their doing.
There are upsides to Biden, though. If he does it then it gives the U.S. response more of a bipartisan sheen, which is helpful for media and political coverage.
That requires the readers to think beyond the headline. 90% of the time, that doesn't happen.
wouldn't the lowest-rated have a ranking of 180th out of 180?
