That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
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Yeah, but before that he called him pathological and compared him to a child molester.Zarathud wrote:Carson must hate Cruz. Trump went out of his way to be nice to Carson and sympathize about "Liar" Ted.
I'll make sure to wear an extra-large belt buckle at all times.Rip wrote:Careful people. Carson might pray that all the people criticizing Trump would go away.
It takes a special kind of talent.PLW wrote:How can he be so wrong about so many things?
Well, at least if he wins we'll get to see congress work together for once.PLW wrote:How can he be so wrong about so many things? His answer on trade policy is a disaster. His answer on Social Security was a disaster. His answer on killing women and children was a disaster. Like, all other Republicans who actually know anything about policy at all know that these answers are terrible.
To The White House.Grifman wrote:Unfortunately, it looks like it will be a Trump-Cruz battle, if it is a battle. I don't think Rubio will win Florida and if he doesn't, he's toast. It's crazy that Cruz and Trump, two of the least qualified nominees are still standing. You had a number of successful competent R governors running, several of which would have made good R nominees but competence doesn't matter. Instead you have a senator who is almost universally despised by his Senate colleagues and a billionaire TV reality show host. Once the election is over it will be interesting to see where the Republican Party goes to from here.
I will say that the US is fairly good at making sure neither party is in the Whitehouse for too long. There are plenty of countries that elect the same party for decades. It's weird that it might happen when one of the candidates is a caricature of a human being, but I guess it's that time of the political cycle.Rip wrote: To The White House.
). Can you imagine how fun the next election would be? Trump on a victory tour making sure everyone knew they had him to thank. Mocking the Democrats for suggesting Obama's policies lead to it.
Wait a second, did you just compliment Jimmy Carter with that Reagan comment?Rip wrote:Indeed. Just imagine Drumpf wins. Then just out of happenstance we have four years of good fortune.
I won't go so far as to say he would cause it. I prefer to think just luck. But even if you want to say it would be reaping the profits from Obama's great job(
Next Reagan in the making.
If you think I complimented Obama, yes.Scraper wrote:Wait a second, did you just compliment Jimmy Carter with that Reagan comment?Rip wrote:Indeed. Just imagine Drumpf wins. Then just out of happenstance we have four years of good fortune.
I won't go so far as to say he would cause it. I prefer to think just luck. But even if you want to say it would be reaping the profits from Obama's great job(
Next Reagan in the making.
Just west of Midway Airport, in the bungalow belt dominated by Illinois House Speaker Michael Madigan, some Democrats are defecting to The Donald.
“Right here, I’m a Donald Trump voter,” says retired city plumber Tom Izzo.
“So many Americans are out of job, but we got all these illegals working here. Something’s got to happen,” he says.
Izzo represents a bit of a trend. In 2008, just 6 percent of Chicago primary voters selected Republican ballots. This year, it’s up to 10 percent. And that’s not far away from the 13 percent back in 1980, the year Ronald Reagan attracted so-called blue collar Reagan Democrats.
An example: Gene Krupa, who usually votes Democrat.
“We need change, and Obama didn’t give us the change we needed,” he says.
Stop. You're completely avoiding it. The issue is Trump's terrible comments about Islam - the issue is not hypocrisy (or whatever you're trying to pretend it is). I know it's your typical MO to avoid discussing the issue at hand and try to divert things with loosely related tangents, and I know I'm tilting at windmills trying to get you to, you know, actually participate in a political discussion in a reasonable manner, but I can't help but try every once in a while.Rip wrote:Not avoiding it, just pointing out this is why people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.ImLawBoy wrote:Hey look everyone! Rip's avoiding the issue again!
I wish people had never started with the hyperbole rhetoric. But there it is.
Can't wait till we can start discussing the flip side of all that presidential power under President Tonald Crumpz.
I'm impressed, given he has been dead since 1973. But it is Chicago...Rip wrote:http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/03/10/ ... democrats/
Just west of Midway Airport, in the bungalow belt dominated by Illinois House Speaker Michael Madigan, some Democrats are defecting to The Donald.
“Right here, I’m a Donald Trump voter,” says retired city plumber Tom Izzo.
“So many Americans are out of job, but we got all these illegals working here. Something’s got to happen,” he says.Izzo represents a bit of a trend. In 2008, just 6 percent of Chicago primary voters selected Republican ballots. This year, it’s up to 10 percent. And that’s not far away from the 13 percent back in 1980, the year Ronald Reagan attracted so-called blue collar Reagan Democrats.
An example: Gene Krupa, who usually votes Democrat.
“We need change, and Obama didn’t give us the change we needed,” he says.
OK. Nothing you said previously could be remotely interpreted to say that your point was that the comments were terrible, but I'm glad we're at least in agreement on that.Rip wrote:Of course they are terrible comments. That is my point.
Irrelevant.Rip wrote:Terrible comments are the special on the political menu these days.
You're right. They came from the leading candidate for the Republican nomination for President of the US during a campaign.Rip wrote:The comments didn't happen in a vacuum.
No, they're a direct result of Trump's racism and xenophobia (which was well documented prior to this campaign).Rip wrote:They are a direct result of the dishonest way we deal with immigration and terrorism.
And that's a big problem, and anyone who supports him is part of the problem.Rip wrote:Trump didn't create the audience, he is just playing to it. Rather effectively I might add.
Absolutely. If Trump maintains his insanity right up to the election, I expect the markets to be pretty unstable. If he wins, I expect the markets to experience a significant drop.Zarathud wrote:Bullshit. Markets need stability and feel good.
So an effective Republican leader is one who exploits the worst aspects of American prejudice and xenophobia to gain power. Got it.Rip wrote:Of course they are terrible comments. That is my point. Terrible comments are the special on the political menu these days. The comments didn't happen in a vacuum. They are a direct result of the dishonest way we deal with immigration and terrorism.
Trump didn't create the audience, he is just playing to it. Rather effectively I might add.
The market isn't waiting for the election.GreenGoo wrote:Absolutely. If Trump maintains his insanity right up to the election, I expect the markets to be pretty unstable. If he wins, I expect the markets to experience a significant drop.Zarathud wrote:Bullshit. Markets need stability and feel good.
The market doesn't like unknowns or unpredictability.
Add the juggernaut that is Donald J. Trump to the list of what-ifs that is worrying Wall Street. A growing realization that the unpredictable New York real estate developer is in a position to win the Republican nomination and then battle Hillary Clinton for the White House in November's election has caused some investors to sell U.S. stocks. They fear having such a wild-card president could trigger trade wars, hurt the economy and add a lot of market volatility. "As the market rarely feasts on lack of predictability - Trump represents a nightmare for investors this year," said hedge fund manager Douglas Kass of Seabreeze Partners Management Inc, who said last week that he was adding to his existing short bet on the U.S. stock market in part because of Trump's increasingly strong position in the race.
Trump's statements on business and Wall Street don't neatly fit into one ideological worldview, but if anything, they are seen as isolationist in a globally connected world. He can also suddenly pick on businesses over various issues, such as his call for a boycott of Apple Inc’s (AAPL.O) products after the tech giant refused to help the FBI unlock the iPhone used by one of the San Bernardino shooters. "The election this year is the height of uncertainty," said Phil Orlando, a senior portfolio manager and chief equity strategist at Federated Investors in New York, which manages $351 billion. He said political concerns - personified by Trump's emergence as a frontrunner - are one of the main reasons why he began reducing equity exposure in mid-January.
That you see them as part of the problem is why things are going down the way they are. There is a huge number of people fed up with being told they are wrong and their views are unacceptable and dismiss them. Much of the Republican establishment bought into such views while trying to give lip service to opposing them. Thus they have been kicked to the curb.ImLawBoy wrote:OK. Nothing you said previously could be remotely interpreted to say that your point was that the comments were terrible, but I'm glad we're at least in agreement on that.Rip wrote:Of course they are terrible comments. That is my point.
Irrelevant.Rip wrote:Terrible comments are the special on the political menu these days.
You're right. They came from the leading candidate for the Republican nomination for President of the US during a campaign.Rip wrote:The comments didn't happen in a vacuum.
No, they're a direct result of Trump's racism and xenophobia (which was well documented prior to this campaign).Rip wrote:They are a direct result of the dishonest way we deal with immigration and terrorism.
And that's a big problem, and anyone who supports him is part of the problem.Rip wrote:Trump didn't create the audience, he is just playing to it. Rather effectively I might add.
Didn't say all, he said many, or at least clarified to many.Holman wrote:So an effective Republican leader is one who exploits the worst aspects of American prejudice and xenophobia to gain power. Got it.Rip wrote:Of course they are terrible comments. That is my point. Terrible comments are the special on the political menu these days. The comments didn't happen in a vacuum. They are a direct result of the dishonest way we deal with immigration and terrorism.
Trump didn't create the audience, he is just playing to it. Rather effectively I might add.
Do you Trump's suggestion that all Muslims hate us and are either terrorists or would-be terrorists is an "honest way" of dealing with terrorism? it's absurd, ignorant, bigoted, and reckless, especially from someone who thinks he's qualified to lead the free world.
You must not have been listening or asked. Jindal was horrible and is half the reason we have an even shittier governor now. As we speak they are jacking our taxes through the roof to avoid actually cutting hardly any spending. Look for a lot of people here to start moving to Texas since the taxes are relatively equal going forward.raydude wrote:After reading how Jindal screwed Louisiana by doubling down on his low taxes and regulations policy and not seeing Rip complain about it I think it is a futile attempt to get him to see reason.
Yep. I'm sure that's what his supporters hear: nuance and careful thought when facing a tough and complex issue. That's Trump.Rip wrote:Didn't say all, he said many, or at least clarified to many.Holman wrote:So an effective Republican leader is one who exploits the worst aspects of American prejudice and xenophobia to gain power. Got it.Rip wrote:Of course they are terrible comments. That is my point. Terrible comments are the special on the political menu these days. The comments didn't happen in a vacuum. They are a direct result of the dishonest way we deal with immigration and terrorism.
Trump didn't create the audience, he is just playing to it. Rather effectively I might add.
Do you Trump's suggestion that all Muslims hate us and are either terrorists or would-be terrorists is an "honest way" of dealing with terrorism? it's absurd, ignorant, bigoted, and reckless, especially from someone who thinks he's qualified to lead the free world.
Well of course they need to raise taxes. The federal government can't afford to bail out every state that experiments with an economic policy that has a track record of failure.Rip wrote: You must not have been listening or asked. Jindal was horrible and is half the reason we have an even shittier governor now. As we speak they are jacking our taxes through the roof to avoid actually cutting hardly any spending. Look for a lot of people here to start moving to Texas since the taxes are relatively equal going forward.
Did I miss a general election somewhere? Last I saw, fewer than 50% of Republicans were on board with Trump. He is not going to inherit all of the support currently going to other candidates, and Independents typically don't weigh in until the general election.Rip wrote: The establishment had predicted this would lead to heavy turnout losses and people in the middle bolting to the Democrats but thus far that doesn't appear to be the case.
Tough shit. If we need to have another culture war, then so be it. They ARE wrong and their views ARE unacceptable. That there is a lot of them and that they might put a clown in the White House doesn't change any of that. Having an opinion doesn't make it valid. Their ignorance is NOT as good as knowledge.Rip wrote: That you see them as part of the problem is why things are going down the way they are. There is a huge number of people fed up with being told they are wrong and their views are unacceptable and dismiss them
Interesting that cutting spending doesn't appear to register as an option for you either.raydude wrote:Well of course they need to raise taxes. The federal government can't afford to bail out every state that experiments with an economic policy that has a track record of failure.Rip wrote: You must not have been listening or asked. Jindal was horrible and is half the reason we have an even shittier governor now. As we speak they are jacking our taxes through the roof to avoid actually cutting hardly any spending. Look for a lot of people here to start moving to Texas since the taxes are relatively equal going forward.
It isn't just Trump. Cruz is disliked and attacked just as much. They have each pulled in numbers as high or higher than any candidate in the last two POTUS elections did, while Democrat polling numbers are way down. The Democrats could be attributed to not feeling they need to since Claire Hillary is bound to get the nod. But the Republicans have no reason to turn out in the numbers they have other than the ones I have given.Jeff V wrote:Did I miss a general election somewhere? Last I saw, fewer than 50% of Republicans were on board with Trump. He is not going to inherit all of the support currently going to other candidates, and Independents typically don't weigh in until the general election.Rip wrote: The establishment had predicted this would lead to heavy turnout losses and people in the middle bolting to the Democrats but thus far that doesn't appear to be the case.
I thought that was just a historical footnote? You mean they still exist? You've actually seen one in the wild?ImLawBoy wrote: I call these "reasonable Republicans" or "sane Republicans".
You don't need to be a liberal progressive to understand that hate mongering is wrong, racism is wrong, fear mongering is wrong, that insubstantial policy positions are the same thing as not having a plan, which is disastrous.Rip wrote: You guys have been wrong about Trump's viability from the start and you are even more wrong now. I know it is hard to accept but the liberal progressives are not the majority you think they are.
Since you're pretty much the mirror image of Rip, I wouldn't expect you to be able to identify them.Jeff V wrote:I thought that was just a historical footnote? You mean they still exist? You've actually seen one in the wild?ImLawBoy wrote: I call these "reasonable Republicans" or "sane Republicans".
