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I have a niece going there right now.Kraken wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:43 pm That's my alma mater. One of my friends has a kid enrolled there.
Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson wrote:The collective grief, heartbreak & horror unfolding at Michigan State tonight is unfathomable. Holding the entire MSU community in my heart. This repetitive terror cannot continue. We must come together and do whatever it takes to protect our kids & communities from gun violence.
Only for some of those kids, that isn't their first school shooting.Kraken wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:26 am Realistically, the body count is too low for this one to be more than a national news footnote. You need at least four dead to be a mass shooting and we're averaging almost two of those a week.
It led local news in Chicago last night, including cutting away to a live briefing. It's only about 3.5 hours from Chicago, and being a Big 10 school it has a lot of ties to the area (including alumni).Kraken wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:26 am Realistically, the body count is too low for this one to be more than a national news footnote. You need at least four dead to be a mass shooting and we're averaging almost two of those a week.
After more than a year of grieving the loss of her high school classmates, a former Oxford High School student was retraumatized Monday evening at Michigan State University, when gun violence would once again shatter her sense of security.
The former Oxford student is now a freshman at MSU and was across the street from the Union when gunfire erupted, according to her mother. She saw people running out of the Union and called her mom.
And that in a city that had 3 killed and 6 wounded on Sunday.ImLawBoy wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:04 amIt led local news in Chicago last night, including cutting away to a live briefing. It's only about 3.5 hours from Chicago, and being a Big 10 school it has a lot of ties to the area (including alumni).Kraken wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:26 am Realistically, the body count is too low for this one to be more than a national news footnote. You need at least four dead to be a mass shooting and we're averaging almost two of those a week.
I was listening to it at points but it was interesting as a non-physical security professional to hear LEO incident coordination. It is pretty much the same as cybersecurity incident coordination at a very high level.LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:05 pmIt opped up on my alerts last night because there were like 280K listeners on Scanner Radio. Have never seen that high a number before.
I read a student from Sandy Hook is now at MU and got relive it all again.Isgrimnur wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:44 am Freep
After more than a year of grieving the loss of her high school classmates, a former Oxford High School student was retraumatized Monday evening at Michigan State University, when gun violence would once again shatter her sense of security.
The former Oxford student is now a freshman at MSU and was across the street from the Union when gunfire erupted, according to her mother. She saw people running out of the Union and called her mom.
She posted a video describing her experience. Don't have the link handy but she is a Junior or Senior and described it as the 2nd time it has happened to her in 10 years.naednek wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:51 pmI read a student from Sandy Hook is now at MU and got relive it all again.Isgrimnur wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:44 am Freep
After more than a year of grieving the loss of her high school classmates, a former Oxford High School student was retraumatized Monday evening at Michigan State University, when gun violence would once again shatter her sense of security.
The former Oxford student is now a freshman at MSU and was across the street from the Union when gunfire erupted, according to her mother. She saw people running out of the Union and called her mom.
MSU, not MU. Not hugely important but thought I'd make a note.naednek wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:51 pmI read a student from Sandy Hook is now at MU and got relive it all again.Isgrimnur wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:44 am Freep
After more than a year of grieving the loss of her high school classmates, a former Oxford High School student was retraumatized Monday evening at Michigan State University, when gun violence would once again shatter her sense of security.
The former Oxford student is now a freshman at MSU and was across the street from the Union when gunfire erupted, according to her mother. She saw people running out of the Union and called her mom.
MSU shooter ... pleaded guilty to gun charge in 2019
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[N]eighbors described as a "hell-raiser" who practiced target shooting out his back door, has a recent history with firearms. And his father ... said he had previously encouraged his son to get rid of his guns.
[He] was arrested in Lansing and charged in June 2019 with carrying a concealed pistol without a concealed carry permit, according to Ingham County court records obtained Tuesday by The Detroit News. The initial charge was a felony that carried a potential penalty of five years in prison, according to the records.
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In October 2019, Ingham County prosecutors added a second charge ...: possession of a loaded firearm in a vehicle, a misdemeanor.
That same month, October 2019, [he] agreed to plead guilty to the lesser misdemeanor charge, and prosecutors dismissed the felony charge.
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[He] was sentenced in November 2019 to 12 months probation. In October 2020, six additional months were added to his probation, according to court records.
Isgrimnur wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 2:30 pm Detroit News
MSU shooter ... pleaded guilty to gun charge in 2019
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[N]eighbors described as a "hell-raiser" who practiced target shooting out his back door, has a recent history with firearms. And his father ... said he had previously encouraged his son to get rid of his guns.
[He] was arrested in Lansing and charged in June 2019 with carrying a concealed pistol without a concealed carry permit, according to Ingham County court records obtained Tuesday by The Detroit News. The initial charge was a felony that carried a potential penalty of five years in prison, according to the records.
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In October 2019, Ingham County prosecutors added a second charge ...: possession of a loaded firearm in a vehicle, a misdemeanor.
That same month, October 2019, [he] agreed to plead guilty to the lesser misdemeanor charge, and prosecutors dismissed the felony charge.
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[He] was sentenced in November 2019 to 12 months probation. In October 2020, six additional months were added to his probation, according to court records.
“What would have stopped this is more difficulty accessing guns,” Fink added. “The felony isn’t going to stop a madman.”
To think I still think of myself as having libertarian leanings. I suppose I really need to shed the myth.Punishing people who did not commit any crime for the actions of others is deeply unjust and won’t save lives.
If you cared about protecting students, introduce legislation to end gun free zones in schools. Give students the freedom to defend themselves against attackers
The man who admitted to killing 10 Black people in a Buffalo grocery store last year will spend the rest of his life in prison.
[He] was sentenced in Erie County Court in front of Judge Susan Eagan to life in prison without parole for the domestic terrorism charge and all 10 first degree murder charges. He had pleaded guilty to the state charges in late November.
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He said: "I am very sorry for all the pain I forced the victims and their families suffered through. I am very sorry for stealing the lives of your loved ones. I cannot express how much I regret on the decisions I made leading up to my actions on May 14th. I did a terrible thing that day. I shot and killed people because they were Black. Looking back now I can't believe I actually did it. I believed what I read on line and acted out of hate."
Two people are in custody after a shooting at Cielo Vista Mall killed one person and left three others injured.
Interim police Chief Peter Pacillas said the gunman was taken down quickly by an off-duty police officer who was working security at a store in the mall. He said the officer did not fire his weapon. The names and ages of the suspects were not released. A motive also was not released....
...Gomez said one person died in the shooting and three others were injured. The injured were transported to area hospitals.
Bill Harris posted about Michigan St, this is chilling:LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 8:01 pmIsgrimnur wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 2:30 pm Detroit News
MSU shooter ... pleaded guilty to gun charge in 2019
...
[N]eighbors described as a "hell-raiser" who practiced target shooting out his back door, has a recent history with firearms. And his father ... said he had previously encouraged his son to get rid of his guns.
[He] was arrested in Lansing and charged in June 2019 with carrying a concealed pistol without a concealed carry permit, according to Ingham County court records obtained Tuesday by The Detroit News. The initial charge was a felony that carried a potential penalty of five years in prison, according to the records.
...
In October 2019, Ingham County prosecutors added a second charge ...: possession of a loaded firearm in a vehicle, a misdemeanor.
That same month, October 2019, [he] agreed to plead guilty to the lesser misdemeanor charge, and prosecutors dismissed the felony charge.
...
[He] was sentenced in November 2019 to 12 months probation. In October 2020, six additional months were added to his probation, according to court records.“What would have stopped this is more difficulty accessing guns,” Fink added. “The felony isn’t going to stop a madman.”
There but for the gace of god...One of my closest friends has a neighbor whose son goes to Michigan St.
Walking across campus on Monday, he had his way blocked by someone. The man didn't say anything to him, just squared him up and stood in his way. An older man, glaring.
After a few seconds, he cautiously stepped around the man and continued on his way.
He's sure this was the shooter, based on photos he's seen.
Just another chilling detail in a week filled with them.
Happiness is a warm gun?
In America, they say the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
But that just sounds like someone trying to sell two guns.
I know the question is naive and I understand the whole government tyranny thing but seeing how the amendment is used to allow serious threats to people (especially people they know) to still buy, or and brandish guns I feel like the 2nd amendment is holding us back more than protecting us.Scoop20906 wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:06 pm Sorry for the question but do we really need the 2nd amendment? I’m not trying to be glib but what is it protecting us from? Or maybe I should ask how could it be updated to protect from gun violence?
This sentence is in need of an update. In order for society to be safe from dangerous individuals, some people should not be allowed to keep and bear arms. I realize there are laws on the books already but the seem to be easy to circumvent. I'm still learning about all this stuff but I feel I need to know but these shootings aren't going away.A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I've saved it to draft so many times, wasn't sure.
It's never going to happen without some kind of extreme black swan event and a massive overhaul in our government. There are more guns in America than Americans and the life expectancy of the average American gun is probably longer than that of the average American. Not sure how that cat gets stuffed back in the bag.Blackhawk wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:36 pm There are probably a thousand ways to update the 2nd, but it's mostly just a thought exercise. Unless one party has a supermajority trifecta plus the Supreme Court, it's untouchable. And even then we'd be lucky not to start a civil war afterwards when 2/3 of the police departments in the country refused to enforce it while the armed masses got on their weekend warrior gear.
The real problem is SCOTUS's interpretation of that unclear wording. There was no individual right to bear arms until 2008. "For most of the last century, the interpretation of the Second Amendment has been that the right to bear arms is a collective right, such as with military service; Thursday's ruling says gun ownership is also an individual right." With a 5-4 vote, they overturned that precedent and set the stage for an explosion in gun violence. Then, just last year, they broadened that so-called right and hobbled gun control. "In the ruling’s most far-reaching language, Thomas said concern for public safety isn’t enough to justify new gun controls."Scoop20906 wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:05 pmI know the question is naive and I understand the whole government tyranny thing but seeing how the amendment is used to allow serious threats to people (especially people they know) to still buy, or and brandish guns I feel like the 2nd amendment is holding us back more than protecting us.Scoop20906 wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:06 pm Sorry for the question but do we really need the 2nd amendment? I’m not trying to be glib but what is it protecting us from? Or maybe I should ask how could it be updated to protect from gun violence?
This sentence is in need of an update. In order for society to be safe from dangerous individuals, some people should not be allowed to keep and bear arms. I realize there are laws on the books already but the seem to be easy to circumvent. I'm still learning about all this stuff but I feel I need to know but these shootings aren't going away.A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
If it didn't happen after Sandy Hook, I don't want to be around to see what finally changes the attitudes towards guns and gun ownership here in America.LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:13 pm It's never going to happen without some kind of extreme black swan event and a massive overhaul in our government.
Even if it was just a bus with all the SC justices going off a cliff?Smoove_B wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:47 pmIf it didn't happen after Sandy Hook, I don't want to be around to see what finally changes the attitudes towards guns and gun ownership here in America.LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:13 pm It's never going to happen without some kind of extreme black swan event and a massive overhaul in our government.
I'd imagine something like an extremist militia taking 'mass shooting' to a new level and giving us a domestic 9-11.Smoove_B wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:47 pmIf it didn't happen after Sandy Hook, I don't want to be around to see what finally changes the attitudes towards guns and gun ownership here in America.LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:13 pm It's never going to happen without some kind of extreme black swan event and a massive overhaul in our government.
IIRC SC Justices get protection. The answer is not for them to just carry guns but to surround them with people paid by the taxpayer to spend time carrying guns solely focused on making sure the Justices are safe. If you don't want to carry a gun you just need to become a SC Justice. Duh!Unagi wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:15 pmEven if it was just a bus with all the SC justices going off a cliff?Smoove_B wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:47 pmIf it didn't happen after Sandy Hook, I don't want to be around to see what finally changes the attitudes towards guns and gun ownership here in America.LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:13 pm It's never going to happen without some kind of extreme black swan event and a massive overhaul in our government.
Or a senator or a president or a mayor or SBF...LordMortis wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:15 amIIRC SC Justices get protection. The answer is not for them to just carry guns but to surround them with people paid by the taxpayer to spend time carrying guns solely focused on making sure the Justices are safe. If you don't want to carry a gun you just need to become a SC Justice. Duh!Unagi wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:15 pmEven if it was just a bus with all the SC justices going off a cliff?Smoove_B wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:47 pmIf it didn't happen after Sandy Hook, I don't want to be around to see what finally changes the attitudes towards guns and gun ownership here in America.LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:13 pm It's never going to happen without some kind of extreme black swan event and a massive overhaul in our government.
