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Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:54 am
by Zarathud
Boehner shares responsibility in helping the party to get the petulant Republican children elected. It should be interesting to see how he can lead with no concern about the long-term consequences.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:55 am
by Fitzy
What did the pope say to him?
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:55 am
by Isgrimnur
The problem with this is that the radical wing is going to become more vocal, seeing this as a win, and taking the bit in their teeth.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:01 am
by tru1cy
He sort of made this mess to get control of the House, but I guess his FUCK YOU will be to the far right wing getting a CR passed or God Forbid a freaking real budget so we can avoid these mind numbing shutdowns
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:11 am
by malchior
Who wants to take a guess how this budget bullshit goes down?
1. Boehner is taking one for the team. On the way out he'll get a real majority of both parties from the center that'll pass a sensible budget. Probability very low.
2. Boehner has been compromised in some sort of internal scandal. The crazies run the asylum and we have an extended shutdown. Probability medium.
3. Boehner is sick of everything and doesn't want to campaign anymore (plus protect his leadership role) through the next election but will stick to principles for budget. We see another short shutdown and Republicans take an early hit going into the 2016 election season. Probability high.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:42 am
by Fitzy
WP article claims a deal for a short term CR was reached in the same meeting.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:41 pm
by Isgrimnur
Christie and the NJNG (WaPo):
After he took office in 2010, Christie (R) reappointed a two-star Army general — a childhood friend — to lead the Guard. But the married general was forced to resign in disgrace after staff members caught him having an affair at work, documents show.
The governor’s next pick, an Air Force pilot, was secretly reprimanded by the Pentagon last year for his excessive waistline and for repeatedly ducking physical-fitness tests, according to records obtained by The Washington Post under the Freedom of Information Act.
More recently, several high-ranking officers have filed whistleblower complaints, alleging that the Guard’s leadership is plagued by cronyism, racism and a “toxic” command climate, among other problems. State and federal officials have opened independent investigations. Legislators have pledged to hold hearings.
“It’s like the mob,” said Brian K. Scully, a retired Army lieutenant colonel who says he lost his job because he refused to help cover up the general’s affair. “One minute you’re the made man. The next, you get a bullet in the back of your head. Only here it’s career assassination.”
...
Christie declined interview requests for this article. His staff said he was unaware that Air Force Brig. Gen. Michael L. Cunniff, the commander who still leads the Guard, had been reprimanded by the Pentagon about his weight until The Post asked about the issue.
As the state’s adjutant general, Cunniff reports directly to Christie and serves in his Cabinet.
...
Cunniff declined an interview request. In a statement released by the Guard, he acknowledged that he had not met the Air Force’s fitness requirements in recent years.
“Many people struggle with weight control — I am not immune from this,” he said. “However, I do recognize that military members and leaders, like myself, are held to a higher standard. I take this matter seriously and am taking the necessary steps to remedy this issue.”
...
Dissent began to bubble up last year. In April 2014, a group of junior officers wrote a letter to Christie to complain about a “demeaning and toxic” command culture in the militia.
The junior officers accused Cunniff and his deputy, Army Brig. Gen. James J. Grant, of not promoting minorities into senior jobs. They pleaded with Christie to investigate and to keep their identities secret so they would be protected from reprisals.
Two months later, Col. Walter Alvarado, the Army National Guard’s chief of staff and the highest-ranking Hispanic officer in the state, wrote a similar letter to Christie. He charged that the generals had blocked his advancement while promoting less-qualified white officers.
...
Discontent continued to spread. In December, Alvarado and three other senior officers, including the state chaplain, filed a harsher complaint with the Army inspector general at the Pentagon. That letter, which was copied to the governor, accused Cunniff and Grant of abuse of authority, fraud, waste, cronyism and other wrongdoing.
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In January, the mutiny reached the Internet. Parody videos were posted anonymously on YouTube, casting Cunniff and Grant as incompetent Nazi commanders. Messages posted with the videos begged Christie to investigate the leadership.
Michael Bobinis, a former Army major in the Guard, acknowledged to The Post that he posted the videos. He said he was terminated after his bosses found out.
...
In February, whistleblowers tried again to get the governor’s attention.
Alvarado and Col. John Langston, the Guard’s top African American officer, wrote another letter to Christie saying that the troops “have had enough.” They said the generals were promoting “mistrust, secrecy, intimidation, deception, favoritism, cronyism and unethical behavior.”
...
In May, the Star-Ledger uncovered more problems in the Guard, disclosing that four colonels had been convicted of drunken driving. The paper also reported that the adjutant general had been slow to hold the officers accountable, allowing two of them to keep their positions long after their arrests.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:53 pm
by Kraken
I reckon Boehner played the best game he could with a poor hand and lousy draws. It's no wonder he finally decided to cash out before the game ended. The big question is who will take his place at the table.
Maybe rats deserting a sinking ship is a better metaphor. Most of the blame for Congressional dysfunctional falls on the majority party.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 3:21 pm
by Rip
It's his party and he will cry if he wants to.
Cry if he wants to.
Cry if he wants to.
You would cry to if it happened to you!
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:02 pm
by Fireball
I agree with John Boehner on very little, but he is someone who actually cares about governing and is willing to compromise to make things work — which is an essential part of our process. The far-right fringe of the Republican Caucus will become more powerful from this. Things will get worse in Congress until the GOP does something to purge the Tea Party nonsense out of its system.
I feel a great deal of sympathy for Boehner. It's sad that he never got to be the wheeler dealer Speaker he was obviously well equipped to be. But also his fault, as that's the Devil's bargain he cut to get the gavel.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:12 pm
by Rip
Fireball wrote:I agree with John Boehner on very little, but he is someone who actually cares about governing and is willing to compromise to make things work — which is an essential part of our process. The far-right fringe of the Republican Caucus will become more powerful from this. Things will get worse in Congress until the GOP does something to purge the Tea Party nonsense out of its system.
I feel a great deal of sympathy for Boehner. It's sad that he never got to be the wheeler dealer Speaker he was obviously well equipped to be. But also his fault, as that's the Devil's bargain he cut to get the gavel.
Not so sure. If they win the POTUS things will be fine. With the newly established POTUS power AND both houses they should be able to do whatever strikes their fancy.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:14 pm
by Defiant
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:21 pm
by Defiant
The United States said this week it was pleased to hear of Saudi Arabia’s leadership role on a United Nations Human Rights Council advisory group.
“We would welcome it. We’re close allies,” US State Department spokesman Mark Toner told reporters in Washington on Tuesday.
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/US-wel ... oup-419127
Would this be leading by counterexample?

Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:51 pm
by Moliere
Crucifying (literally) someone who participated in Arab Spring certainly sounds like they have something to say about human rights.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 8:42 pm
by Max Peck
Moliere wrote:Crucifying (literally) someone who participated in Arab Spring certainly sounds like they have something to say about human rights.
Well, its kind of symbolic in this case. If they go ahead with it, they're going to behead him first -- which is bad enough -- but not as torturous as being nailed to a cross while he's still alive.
Any way you look at it, though, it's
fucked up.
Al-Nimr was accused of taking part of anti-government protests in the eastern part of the country in 2011 (involving the country's Shia Muslim minority and sometimes called "Saudi's Secret Uprising") and was arrested the following year. State media later reported he was found guilty of a long list of crimes including sedition, breaking allegiance to the king, rioting, using petrol bombs against security patrols, robbing a pharmacy and more. He was 17 years old at the time of his arrest. The UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, to which Saudi Arabia is a signatory, forbids capital punishment for offences committed by people under the age of 18. UN human rights experts also say al-Nimr was tortured and did not receive a fair trial.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 10:21 am
by Defiant
According to Jeremy Corbyn, the controversial (to put it mildly) new leader of the UK's Labour Party, 9/11 was manipulated by Bush and Blair to attack....
Afghanistan
Jeremy Corbyn has claimed that 9/11 was "manipulated" to make it look like Osama Bin Laden was responsible to allow the West to go to war in Afghanistan.
How the hell did a 9/11 Truther become leader of their party?
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 5:36 pm
by hepcat
Defiant wrote:According to Jeremy Corbyn, the controversial (to put it mildly) new leader of the UK's Labour Party, 9/11 was manipulated by Bush and Blair to attack....
Afghanistan
Jeremy Corbyn has claimed that 9/11 was "manipulated" to make it look like Osama Bin Laden was responsible to allow the West to go to war in Afghanistan.
How the hell did a 9/11 Truther become leader of their party?
Trump is leading in GOP polls and you're surprised that politics can be weird?
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 1:23 pm
by Max Peck
Opinions, one of the few things that everyone has and is usually willing to share.
Scott Adams on
Opinion vs Stupidity
The authors of the Constitution clearly, explicitly, and unambiguously planned for the document to change. That’s why the rules of change are designed into it. If historians have some other explanation for why the rules of change are included in the document, I am all ears.
We have a similar situation with laws passed by Congress. Look at the debate about illegal immigrants. You hear a lot of people arguing that the law-breakers must be deported because they broke a law, and we are a land of laws.
On a conceptual level, a nation must have laws in order to function. But again, the Constitution explains in great detail how to change laws. They change all the time. Change is the normal condition.
If you think illegal aliens need to leave because it is the law, that’s not an opinion. That’s stupidity, because we can change the laws any way we want. All that matters is what we want, and what makes sense, not what has already been written down somewhere. Let’s make wise decisions first, then force the laws to agree with us.
Americans aren’t rule-followers. It isn’t in our DNA. We are revolutionaries. We are entrepreneurs. Often we are total assholes. But I sure hope we never become a nation of obedient rule-followers.
The only laws I plan to respect, now or ever, are the ones that make sense to me and are a net positive for humans. That feels American to me. You won’t see me obeying any laws because someone I have never met decided it would be a good idea. I literally feel offended when anyone suggests that my life should be guided by the wisdom and fairness of dead slave owners.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:20 pm
by Defiant
The first question I have is which Scott Adams?
The authors of the Constitution clearly, explicitly, and unambiguously planned for the document to change. That’s why the rules of change are designed into it. If historians have some other explanation for why the rules of change are included in the document, I am all ears.
We have a similar situation with laws passed by Congress. Look at the debate about illegal immigrants. You hear a lot of people arguing that the law-breakers must be deported because they broke a law, and we are a land of laws.
On a conceptual level, a nation must have laws in order to function. But again, the Constitution explains in great detail how to change laws. They change all the time. Change is the normal condition.
If you think illegal aliens need to leave because it is the law, that’s not an opinion. That’s stupidity, because we can change the laws any way we want. All that matters is what we want, and what makes sense, not what has already been written down somewhere. Let’s make wise decisions first, then force the laws to agree with us.
But the people who designed the immigration laws also planned for those who didn't follow it not to become legal immigrants.
Now I'm amenable to changing the immigration laws to increase the number of legal immigrants. But I also think that those that disregard the law, whatever it's formulation is, should be penalized for it (That might not necessarily be automatic deportation - eg, a fine, A delay before getting on the line for citizenship, deportation if you've committed a crime or such).
As a country, we have the right to define how we set our immigration policy. Not penalizing those that circumvent it would be the same as not having any immigration policy.
The only laws I plan to respect, now or ever, are the ones that make sense to me and are a net positive for humans. That feels American to me.
I'll point out that this kind of thinking can causes a county clerk to justify her repeatedly disobeying the courts because she thinks issuing same sex marriage licenses is a net negative for humanity.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:10 pm
by Max Peck
Defiant wrote:The first question I have is which Scott Adams?
Gosh, there are so many Scott Adams with blogs hosted on dilbert.com that I might have linked to...

Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:32 pm
by GreenGoo
Defiant wrote:
I'll point out that this kind of thinking can causes a county clerk to justify her repeatedly disobeying the courts because she thinks issuing same sex marriage licenses is a net negative for humanity.
And I'll point out that following and/or enforcing stupid laws is stupid. At no point did Adams comment on consequences. If people are prepared to face the consequences of their actions, have at it.
In the meantime, your line of thinking results in people being beaten for jaywalking.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:05 pm
by Max Peck
GreenGoo wrote:In the meantime, your line of thinking results in people being beaten for jaywalking.
To be fair, jaywalkers deserve a good beating. As do cyclists who ride on the sidewalk. At high speed. On a bridge. Six inches away from the dedicated cycling lane on the road.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:15 pm
by Defiant
Max Peck wrote:Defiant wrote:The first question I have is which Scott Adams?
Gosh, there are so many Scott Adams with blogs hosted on dilbert.com that I might have linked to...

Pfft, following links is so quaint. And as this is a gaming site, there's another Scott Adams that comes to mind.

Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:31 pm
by Max Peck
Defiant wrote:Max Peck wrote:Defiant wrote:The first question I have is which Scott Adams?
Gosh, there are so many Scott Adams with blogs hosted on dilbert.com that I might have linked to...

Pfft, following links is so quaint. And as this is a gaming site, there's another Scott Adams that comes to mind.

And reading an article before before putting forward a rebuttal?
Très passé... 
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:33 pm
by Pyperkub
Defiant wrote:According to Jeremy Corbyn, the controversial (to put it mildly) new leader of the UK's Labour Party, 9/11 was manipulated by Bush and Blair to attack....
Afghanistan
Jeremy Corbyn has claimed that 9/11 was "manipulated" to make it look like Osama Bin Laden was responsible to allow the West to go to war in Afghanistan.
How the hell did a 9/11 Truther become leader of their party?
Because all he says is what they want to hear. Nevermind whether it's the truth, or even possible. Consequences of stupid policies never cross their mind.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:44 pm
by Defiant
GreenGoo wrote:
And I'll point out that following and/or enforcing stupid laws is stupid. At no point did Adams comment on consequences. If people are prepared to face the consequences of their actions, have at it.
Except that he did. He says that we shouldn't want to deport illegal immigrants just because it's against the law. He implies that we shouldn't face the consequences of stupid laws. What do you think not "enforcing stupid laws" is?
Yes, you can commit civil disobedience for a law you feel unjust and be prepared to face the consequences. But that's generally a symbolic measure, in an effort to bring the matter to the court, or to change the minds of society. Because the laws where one would commit civil disobedience on are generally, by their very nature, controversial - for which there are going to be arguments for and against those laws, and ultimately the courts and/or society as a whole are the ones who are the ultimate arbiters of what is a stupid law or not. Not a single individual.
(Sure, laws can be so unjust that they are absolutely, unequivocally wrong. Those usually involve body/casualty counts and a more corrupt legal system and one where society as a whole does not have a say)
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:17 am
by Defiant
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:29 am
by Rip
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:51 am
by hepcat
Say what you will about the man, but Boehner understood politics. It was idiots like Cruz and his band of inbred sycophants that crushed his enthusiasm for Washington with their moronic belief that you can get every single thing you want by throwing a temper tantrum on the public stage.
The GOP is so freakin' dysfunctional at this point that they deserve a Donald Trump.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:12 am
by Moliere
P. J. O’Rourke's response
Not anywhere near as many as there would and should be if FDR hadn’t been as much of a jerk about immigration as you are, Ann, you etiolated bean sprout butt trumpet.
As to why Israel is important, to paraphrase John F. Kennedy, “Today, in the world of freedom, the proudest boast is ‘Ikh bin a Ishral.’ ”
And I mean it, even if, pope-kissing Mick that I am, my Yiddish is maybe sketchy.
Partly this is personal, Ann, you jangle-tongue, you all-clapper- and-no-carillon, you crack in the Liberty Bell. To paraphrase Jerry Seinfeld, “It’s not me, it’s you.”
But, first, my contempt is moral. Antisemitism is evil. Per se, as you lawyers like to put it. For the sake of argument, let us “stipulate” that you are not per se an antisemite. Instead of saying that’s true, let us stipulate it with all the snarky lawyer freight that “stipulating” carries.
Being so stipulated, you are damn rude. One does not say, “f—ing Jews.” One does not say “f—ing blacks” or “f—ing Latinos” or even “f—ing relentlessly self-promoting Presbyterian white women from New Canaan.”
Manners are the small change of morality. You, Ann, are nickel and diming yourself. And may all the coins in Scrooge McDuck’s money bin land on you and squash you flat. (Scrooge, by the way, is not a Jew, he’s a duck.)
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:59 pm
by Jaymann
hepcat wrote:...band of inbred sycophants...
Who was looking for a band name? The Inbred Sycophants has a nice ring to it.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:33 pm
by Kraken
Jaymann wrote:hepcat wrote:...band of inbred sycophants...
Who was looking for a band name? The Inbred Sycophants has a nice ring to it.
"False prophets," according to Boehner. That's hitting the evangelicals where it hurts.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:41 pm
by Rip
Kraken wrote:Jaymann wrote:hepcat wrote:...band of inbred sycophants...
Who was looking for a band name? The Inbred Sycophants has a nice ring to it.
"False prophets," according to Boehner. That's hitting the evangelicals where it hurts.
Are you sure? Perhaps he was saying False profits...........
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:55 pm
by Holman
Kraken wrote:Jaymann wrote:hepcat wrote:...band of inbred sycophants...
Who was looking for a band name? The Inbred Sycophants has a nice ring to it.
"False prophets," according to Boehner. That's hitting the evangelicals where it hurts.
No one expects the Speaker's Inquisition!
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:16 pm
by El Guapo
Kraken wrote:Jaymann wrote:hepcat wrote:...band of inbred sycophants...
Who was looking for a band name? The Inbred Sycophants has a nice ring to it.
"False prophets," according to Boehner. That's hitting the evangelicals where it hurts.
I liked how Boehner stood behind calling Ted Cruz a jackass.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:19 pm
by hepcat
My respect for the man increased a bit after I read that.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:44 pm
by Moliere
Shit really does float downstream. Thanks
Canada! What did we ever do to you?
Things are about to get really shitty in the St. Lawrence River, with Montreal planning to dump two billion gallons of raw sewage into the water over the course of a week.
The untreated shit, sourced from residences, businesses, and hospitals, will make its way to the river's southern shore beginning October 18.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:48 pm
by LawBeefaroni
From the
CBC:
The amount dumped will be 13 cubic metres per second over seven days: that's eight million cubic metres in all, or eight billion litres — the equivalent of 2,600 Olympic-sized pools of raw sewage, from homes, industries and hospitals.
Up until the 1980s, it was common practice to clear the sewers this way, although it is no longer considered acceptable.
It's been six years since the city last had to dump untreated waste directly into the river, City of Montreal spokesman Philippe Sabourin said.
"There is no other possible choice," Sabourin said. He said the work is tied into the demolition of the Bonaventure Expressway.
...
The City of Montreal said it has obtained the authorization of the provincial environment ministry to clear the sewers.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:59 pm
by Moliere
What do you expect from people who can't even spell meter correctly. Our favourite neighbours to the north do us no honour when they add flavour to the water and colour it brown.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:04 pm
by GreenGoo
Moliere wrote:Shit really does float downstream. Thanks
Canada! What did we ever do to you?
Do you even open the letters we write you?