Divine Relics - Stessier has the clap - Day 7

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:03 pm

Remus West wrote:
stessier wrote:I have the count at 4:

stessier, Lassr, Remus, Unagi
Come on guys. 2 more votes. Send me to the great reward. (spoiler forum )

Remus Remus

Drat, looks like Grund was right and they don't stack...

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:04 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
Remus West wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
Remus West wrote:Unagi, please rethink Lassr after I am gone. He demonstrated the most concern of anyone over the idea of lynching me day 1. Nobody good should have been worried much about it at all as there was exactly 0% chance a relic bearer made my play. Only the bad guys had to worry about it because they couldn't be sure I wasn't one of them (Judas had to worry about Legion/Cretan/Balaam, they had to worry about him).

Lassr is definately a bad guy.
Dammit Remus. Withdrawal Remus West

You may just make it Two for Two in one game, after all.

So, why the big attack on me? Your evidence sucked.
Stop hedging. Put your vote back.
Why are you trying to incriminate me? You were full of theories before.

Actually I have had one constant, Lassr is evil. Other than that I have been trying to read the thread for clues. The whole hidden Mason thing finally clicked for me. It just is not like Chaosraven to not set up an exploit for that situation. Then my confusion regarding your odd list clicked.

You are Evil. Lassr is Evil.

RevHempus71 · Post by **RevHempus71** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:04 pm

This has become the biggest distraction I can think of this game. To Remus or not to Remus.....

I mean lets not get into another position where the Divine has to threaten to REEM US because we can't make up our minds about Remus.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:06 pm

Sean, Minister of KtSP wrote:

Stop eating popcorn and vote Remus. Here, let me help.

Sean, Minister of KtSP wrote:Remus West

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:09 pm

Rev, Rev, Rev...I though Sean was the New Guy. You have to bold your vote, not italics.

RevHempus71 wrote:This has become the biggest distraction I can think of this game. To Remus or not to Remus.....

I mean lets not get into another position where the Divine has to threaten to REEM US because we can't make up our minds about Remus.

There, I fixed it for you. Just quote this and remove everything that isn't the vote. You're welcome.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:13 pm

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:14 pm

stessier wrote:Rev, Rev, Rev...I though Sean was the New Guy. You have to bold your vote, not italics.

RevHempus71 wrote:This has become the biggest distraction I can think of this game. To Remus or not to Remus.....

I mean lets not get into another position where the Divine has to threaten to REEM US because we can't make up our minds about Remus.

There, I fixed it for you. Just quote this and remove everything that isn't the vote. You're welcome.

Hey! You're killing me here. At least get your own damned jokes.

RevHempus71 · Post by **RevHempus71** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:20 pm

Unagi any thoughts from you?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:20 pm

Remus West wrote:
There, I fixed it for you. Just quote this and remove everything that isn't the vote. You're welcome.
Hey! You're killing me here. At least get your own damned jokes.

I quoted that before you, but the lag is killing me.

Edit to fix quotes.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:22 pm

Sean, you still show as browsing the forum so please cast your vote for me. Ask yourself this, if I do not die today, is there any possibility I would be considered innocent? The answer is No. Which means you would need to do this tomorrow (although as the most powerful left you are likely to be killed tonight). Take care of it now while there is more time for folks to make sense of things. Please vote for me.

Sean, Minister of KtSP · Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:22 pm

RevHempus71 wrote:Unagi any thoughts from you?

I think Unagi has made his thoughts clear enough. He wants Remus today.

I think Remus and Scoop are both trying to play with our heads now.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:23 pm

stessier wrote:
Remus West wrote:
There, I fixed it for you. Just quote this and remove everything that isn't the vote. You're welcome.
Hey! You're killing me here. At least get your own damned jokes.
I quoted that before you, but the lag is killing me.

Edit to fix quotes.

Lags been really bad for me the last 30 minutes. Leaving shortly, be back tonight.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:23 pm

RevHempus71 wrote:Unagi any thoughts from you?

You mean other than this?

Unagi wrote:
Sean, Minister of KtSP wrote:So.
Unagi. Zurai. stess.
I'm more inclined to run Scoop into the ring. Y'all seem more inclined to give Remus a ringing. I'm fine with ringing Remus, but do you really want to ring him more than Scoop?
Anybody else that seems at all evil? Y'all know the rest of this motley better than I do.
Like Kraegor, our wise and trusted Seer, I have been wanting to and willing to call Remus' bluff since day 1.

Here is my take on where we are, and I've listed my suspects in the order that I would prioritize them. Of course, when you test your top suspect and he comes up GOOD, you do need to re-read everything.... So, I am prepared to re-order things based upon our test today.
I do want to test Remus today.
I am very much behind testing Scoop tomorrow. (My heart wouldn't be broken if we reversed the order, but I'd prefer Remus first.)

My two cents on the current state:

Chaosraven : Cretan - proven / Super Secret Mason - Kraegor confirmed
Triggercut : Judas - died in a fire...

1. Remus West : Created a mess on the morning of Day 1 that we are still digging out of. His accusations of others have been very reckless. He is AT BEST a red-shirt that will never be eaten at night, and hence we Must Test Him.
2. Scoop : Judas was what I thought the flipout was about. Now I'm wondering if it was seer-avoidance. The short of it is, his actions seemed to be staged - and I can't tell for what... I'm not sold on his allignment yet, but he's my Number 2.
3. Pr0ner : This is pretty chatty for pr0ner, believe it or not. Unfortunately, there are no more specials for him to claim. Uh oh. Ya see Sean, the ol' pr0ner rule was "if pr0ner is more than silent, he's a special or a bad-guy". Trouble is, he's anyone's guess.
4. Lassr : Very neutral game... nothing to see here... move along... Not easy to just accept him and move on though.
5. Newcastle : I'm sorry, Whocastle? Really, really, really quiet game. Newcastle is a Very Strong player.
6. Revhempus71 : I'm trusting him. I could be way wrong. It's a gut feeling.

Kraegor : Ring of Gad - Claimed, uncontested, and produced Cretan - proven through night death
Sean, Minister of KtSP : Writ of Twofold - Claimed and uncontested - proven through triangulation
Stessier : Super Secret Mason - Kraegor confirmed - proven through triangulation
Unagi : Sword of Ehud - proven
Zurai : Bracers of Endor - Claimed, uncontested, gave role of Bakhtosh - proven through triangulation

Grundbegriff : Courier's Scepter - proven
Bakhtosh : Staff of Wisdom - Zurai confirmed - proven through triangulation

Tru1cy : simple priest - proven through triangulation

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:25 pm

RevHempus71 wrote:Unagi any thoughts from you?

He's already provided his thoughts.

Sean, Minister of KtSP · Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:25 pm

Remus West wrote:Sean, you still show as browsing the forum so please cast your vote for me. Ask yourself this, if I do not die today, is there any possibility I would be considered innocent? The answer is No. Which means you would need to do this tomorrow (although as the most powerful left you are likely to be killed tonight). Take care of it now while there is more time for folks to make sense of things. Please vote for me.

Believe it or not, Remus, my desire to make it three demons in a row actually trumps my desire to live longer than you.

Plus it's kind of fun watching you twist....

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:30 pm

anyone else have bad lag here. ok gonna start updating my links here in a bit. Will try to only mark milestones, will try to refrain from adding editorial remarks, i dont want to taint your guys analysis.

also, please guys lets take it nice and easy. I just dont like the frantic speed right now. Also, I think it would be wise if we each posted our suspects lists and our reasons. In addition any vote from here on out add in your reasons for placing that vote.

Sean, Minister of KtSP · Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:31 pm

I'm so on the verge of saying "Screw it," again, but the last time I did that, we lynched an innocent.

I'm willing to wait and hear more of Newcastle's thoughts. Or anyone else's, for that matter.

RevHempus71 · Post by **RevHempus71** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:35 pm

Lassr wrote:
RevHempus71 wrote:Unagi any thoughts from you?
He's already provided his thoughts.

Yes he has provided thoughts on his reason for his vote. I get that. However what I am asking is... where will my vote best serve his analasys for tomarrow belong. It is likely that Sean will be the next kill leaving Unagi as my absolutely trusted.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:35 pm

Remus is in such a hurry to get himself killed that two options present themselves.

A) He's innocent and wants to be tested.

B) He's demon, with a nasty power to use once sent to the ring.

I wonder which is more correct.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:37 pm

Sean, Minister of KtSP wrote:
RevHempus71 wrote:Unagi any thoughts from you?
I think Unagi has made his thoughts clear enough. He wants Remus today.

I think Remus and Scoop are both trying to play with our heads now.

I'm actually trying to get killed to clear up that exact issue. Would you go ahead and vote for me. Yes, you are going to get an innocent result. That doesn't matter. What matters is how you use that knowledge.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:38 pm

this is going to take me a while to go through this, so dont expect anythign concrete from me for a bit (RL things to do as well)

Sean, Minister of KtSP · Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:39 pm

Suspect list --

Scoop: Working pretty hard with Remus to mess with our heads.

Remus: Working pretty hard with Scoop to mess with our heads. Also is exactly the type of person to risk the very edge of lynching to make people wonder if he's innocent. He does have the stones for such a play.

Lassr: ??? Still haven't been able to get much of a read on him. Is clear from my own impressions and Unagi's observations that this is deliberate and calculated.

RevHempus: Stoner. Illusionist. According to Chaos, is really good at it when stoned. Despite Chaos being a duplicitous bastard, I'm willing to believe that comment. Unagi seems to trust him, but not 100%.

Newcastle & pr0ner: ???? Quiet as hell.

Sean, Minister of KtSP · Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:40 pm

pr0ner wrote:Remus is in such a hurry to get himself killed that two options present themselves.

A) He's innocent and wants to be tested.

B) He's demon, with a nasty power to use once sent to the ring.

I wonder which is more correct.

Oh, not this again.

RevHempus71 · Post by **RevHempus71** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:40 pm

Remus West wrote:
Sean, Minister of KtSP wrote:
RevHempus71 wrote:Unagi any thoughts from you?
I think Unagi has made his thoughts clear enough. He wants Remus today.

I think Remus and Scoop are both trying to play with our heads now.
I'm actually trying to get killed to clear up that exact issue. Would you go ahead and vote for me. Yes, you are going to get an innocent result. That doesn't matter. What matters is how you use that knowledge.

And based on what I am seeing. Should Remus be an innocent priest my top 2 suspects will be Scoop#, and Lassr. disclaimer...not necessarily in that order

Sean, Minister of KtSP · Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:45 pm

Sean, Minister of KtSP wrote:
pr0ner wrote:Remus is in such a hurry to get himself killed that two options present themselves.

A) He's innocent and wants to be tested.

B) He's demon, with a nasty power to use once sent to the ring.

I wonder which is more correct.
Oh, not this again.

Seriously. Unagi, for this reason alone, can we please wait until tomorrow to lynch Remus? I'm not frelling afraid of it, but on the (unbelievably remote) chance that this silly possibility is true, it's late enough in the game we should make Remus die last.

Also, pr0ner, just by even hinting at bringing this old bugaboo back up, you've climbed your way up my suspects list just that much more.

RevHempus71 · Post by **RevHempus71** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:45 pm

Oh to further elaborate on my last post:

Scoop# = Legion
Lassr = Balaam, I say this because his play this game reminds of a certain Seer from the past..... but the goodguy Seer is now DEAD this game........ so he would be the anti-seer.

THat is if Remus is what he says he is.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:01 pm

updated part of my link list....up to about p. 24ish. Will work on it more later this after noon.

Sean, Minister of KtSP · Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:04 pm

Yeah, I've pretty much decided I'm not voting for Remus today. Like day 1, he wants it too much.

Remus, if you are innocent, as you say you are, I will not put my hand on you.

But more importantly, if you are a demon, as I suspect, I want you to die last. I want you to die watching all of your other little friends go before you. I want to watch you twist with that noose around your neck just one day longer, even if it gives you the pleasure of offing me tonight. I am resigned to my death, I have been from the moment this game started. But if you are evil, knowing that you died last will give me a pleasure to last yea into the next life, and even into whatever lies beyond that.

Sean, Minister of KtSP · Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:12 pm

Sorry guys. You'll probably be really mad at me for this, but even without my help, and the help of Remus' partner, you have more than enough votes to get him lynched. One more, in fact.

You have to do it without me for the reasons I outlined above.

If you can't get him lynched, figure out why and root out the true evil among us.

But I will not be voting for Remus today.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:12 pm

RevHempus71 wrote:Oh to further elaborate on my last post:

Scoop# = Legion
Lassr = Balaam, I say this because his play this game reminds of a certain Seer from the past..... but the goodguy Seer is now DEAD this game........ so he would be the anti-seer.

THat is if Remus is what he says he is.

Sigh. I see that Remus is starting to influence your mind.

I'm not a demon. What is about my play this game? Trying to be humorous? That's my way of entertaining myself since I've had no powers this game. See, last game I was faking specials with clues to entertain myself. With no power it makes the game a little tougher and my work this month is hectic so my analysis has suffered.
Don't know what I can do to prove I'm not a demon.

As I've stated since day 1. I think Scoop is a demon. If not, probably Remus. I don't think both are, but it's possible.

RevHempus is on my suspect list also if both are not Demons.

Pr0ner and Newcastle - I don't know. Too quiet. If one of these is a demon then it's going to be a guess. I would say Newcastle the way he watched the thread and popped in finally, pr0ner seems the least likely to me.

Leaving work now, Rev made me "work" over a little

be back tonight.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:26 pm

I'm worried you guys are really going to screw this up and Remus has me very confused. I'm really not sure what to do with the guy but really pisses me off is he has set up me to die tomorrow if he turns out to be a priest which is stupid. Of course, its not all his doing as you guys seem to think I am demon as well.

Oh well, I guess I am in the same boat as Remus then I guess because I am suspecting Lassr as well.

Everyone, I am willing to sacrifice myself provided you take a LONG HARD look at Lassr and the silents. I was hoping I would be able to help the good guys but since everyone seems convinced I am the evil mastermind, Scoop20906

There, the vote won't come off either. You guys figure it out. Don't screw up your misses. Later.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:51 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:I'm worried you guys are really going to screw this up and Remus has me very confused. I'm really not sure what to do with the guy but really pisses me off is he has set up me to die tomorrow if he turns out to be a priest which is stupid. Of course, its not all his doing as you guys seem to think I am demon as well.

Oh well, I guess I am in the same boat as Remus then I guess because I am suspecting Lassr as well.

Everyone, I am willing to sacrifice myself provided you take a LONG HARD look at Lassr and the silents. I was hoping I would be able to help the good guys but since everyone seems convinced I am the evil mastermind, Scoop20906

There, the vote won't come off either. You guys figure it out. Don't screw up your misses. Later.

This makes no sense Scoop.

Why do we care if we miss on YOU versus what you are concerned is about to happen - that we are missing on Remus.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:52 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:I'm worried you guys are really going to screw this up and Remus has me very confused. I'm really not sure what to do with the guy but really pisses me off is he has set up me to die tomorrow if he turns out to be a priest which is stupid. Of course, its not all his doing as you guys seem to think I am demon as well.

Oh well, I guess I am in the same boat as Remus then I guess because I am suspecting Lassr as well.

Everyone, I am willing to sacrifice myself provided you take a LONG HARD look at Lassr and the silents. I was hoping I would be able to help the good guys but since everyone seems convinced I am the evil mastermind, Scoop20906

There, the vote won't come off either. You guys figure it out. Don't screw up your misses. Later.

And the vote wont come off.... brilliant. bravo!

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:54 pm

Okay, Sean is out. I don't quite get it, but that is his choice.

Newcastle, pr0ner, Rev...what more do you need?

Particularly pr0ner. What are your thoughts? Why do you care if he has some special power? Why did you remove your vote because Remus thought you might be Evil? Why do you even care what he thinks???

Newcastle...I hope you read fast.

Rev, your vote won't tell Unagi anything. You aren't Evil. Scoop and Remus are Demons. Please vote for Remus.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:59 pm

Sean, Minister of KtSP wrote:Which part of "I think Remus is probably a demon" have I not been clear on?

the part?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:00 pm

Dang, I forgot Zurai. What are your thoughts?

I have the votes at:

Required for O-Ring - 6

Against Remus (4): stessier, Unagi, Lassr, Remus
Against Scoop (1): Scoop

Tell me if I missed something.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:05 pm

RevHempus71 wrote:
Lassr wrote:
RevHempus71 wrote:Unagi any thoughts from you?
He's already provided his thoughts.
Yes he has provided thoughts on his reason for his vote. I get that. However what I am asking is... where will my vote best serve his analasys for tomarrow belong. It is likely that Sean will be the next kill leaving Unagi as my absolutely trusted.

You do not include stessier or Zurai in your list of trusted, why not?

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:13 pm

Remus Beast...err...West

Sean, Minister of KtSP · Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:17 pm

Unagi wrote:
Sean, Minister of KtSP wrote:Which part of "I think Remus is probably a demon" have I not been clear on?
the part?

If you really can't do it without me, I'll help lynch him. But even without a 'splodie power, making him die last is appealing to me. Getting the votes to lynch him is still possible.

Sean, Minister of KtSP · Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:19 pm

And yes, I can end this right now. Are we in that much of a hurry for night to come?

Compared to Day One, these days are going by plenty fast.