Single Table No Limit Hold 'em

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:42 am

I am still way off, even further now. Sorry guys. I don't really have the ability to treat this like a job while I am work. I will go back and rework this again going back to the end of hand 8 when I get chance.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:42 am

I am still way off, even further now. Sorry guys. I don't really have the ability to treat this like a job while I am work. I will go back and rework this again going back to the end of hand 8 when I get chance.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:42 am

I am still way off, even further now. Sorry guys. I don't really have the ability to treat this like a job while I am work. I will go back and rework this again going back to the end of hand 8 when I get chance.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:50 am

OK all fixed now. I didn't go back and delete the quadruple post because I'm afraid deleting a post will crash the server.

The Meal · Post by **The Meal** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:53 am

LM,
I sent you an email through the OO system, but in case it goes to a dead account... PM me with a current email address that I can link to my Google Spreadsheet with my own accounting system. That can only help out if/when we end up with different numbers in the future. I'm all about reducing frustration here, not creating it.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:56 am

Frankly I think you are doing a fine job LM. Mistakes happen and you have made sure to note that we should be checking your work. IMO if our chips are off it is on us, no you. You have fixed every issue that players (o.k., Meal) have pointed out right away so no big deal as far as I am concerned. Now about the cards I have been getting dealt though.....

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:59 am

The Meal wrote:LM,
I sent you an email through the OO system, but in case it goes to a dead account... PM me with a current email address that I can link to my Google Spreadsheet with my own accounting system. That can only help out if/when we end up with different numbers in the future. I'm all about reducing frustration here, not creating it.

You are a great help. I know my math is sloppy in general and especially sloppy when I am on the fly. There is no frustration in checking my screwups. If there were then I'd not disclaim to check my math. This is why I leave the cards at home and prep hands when I'm not doing other things and check and recheck and recheck that hand prep when I am not distracted by things like work.

I'll look for the email as soon as I get a chance.

ScubaV · Post by **ScubaV** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:58 pm

Fold to MHS.

Can I get some non-suck cards while you're tinkering with the math?

MHS · Post by **MHS** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:36 pm

Call. Action on SpaceLord.

paulbaxter · Post by **paulbaxter** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:48 pm

Just an idea from an observer for LM. If you have the space for it, I would think your accounting issues would be easily solved by pushing actual chips (or even fake chips) around a table with some note cards for each player.

I wouldn't be able to pull that off myself having three preschoolers in the house, but I would think it would be easier than turning the game into a big weird sudoku puzzle.

FWIW.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:49 pm

Had JC not been knocked out your cards would be different. (I don't know if they'd have been non suck, I don't actually pay attention to hands until after they happen other than to make sure I don't type the wrong keys). So you can blame Trent and JC at least in part. 25 cards are already laid out for the next several hands.

Actual chips would be huge helpful but I run this game from a lot of different spots.

Hand 10

1 Semaj (chips:1285) (SB)
2 The Meal (chips:2135) (BB)
3
4 ScubaV (chips:1405)
5 MHS (chips:1500)
6 Spacelord (chips:1535)
7
8 Ninyu (chips:1285)
9 Remus West (chips:3105)
10 Trent Steel (chips:2725) (Button)

Always watch the dealers math.

Pot = 25

Actions are Call, Rasie to x (Minimum 20), Fold

Semaj (SB) 5
The Meal (BB) 10
ScubaV Folds
MHS 10

Action on SpaceLord

SpaceLord · Post by **SpaceLord** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:53 am

*wads up his hole cards and shoots them at the trash can*

Blech.

Fold.

Action on Ninyu.

Ninyu · Post by **Ninyu** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:03 am

Raise to 50
PM'ing Remus

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:34 am

Call

PMing Trent

Trent Steel · Post by **Trent Steel** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:57 am

Fold.

PM to Semaj.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:09 am

Hand 10

1 Semaj (chips:1285) (SB)
2 The Meal (chips:2135) (BB)
3
4 ScubaV (chips:1405)
5 MHS (chips:1500)
6 Spacelord (chips:1535)
7
8 Ninyu (chips:1235)
9 Remus West (chips:3055)
10 Trent Steel (chips:2725) (Button)

Always watch the dealers math.

Pot = 125
Bet = 50
Minimum Rasie = 40

Actions are Call, Rasie to x (Minimum 90), Fold

Semaj (SB) 5
The Meal (BB) 10
ScubaV Folds
MHS 10
Spacelord Folds
Ninyu 50
Remus West 50
Trent Steel Folds

Action on Semaj

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:15 am

The Meal · Post by **The Meal** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:30 am

Mine is a reluctant fold. MHS would seem to be next. She'll probably get my PM in about four hours when her plane lands in OKC...

ChrisGrenard · Post by **ChrisGrenard** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:10 pm

MHS called me to ask me what was up, so I told her and she said that she'll call.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:19 pm

Hand 10

1 Semaj (chips:1285) (SB)
2 The Meal (chips:2135) (BB)
3
4 ScubaV (chips:1405)
5 MHS (chips:1460)
6 Spacelord (chips:1535)
7
8 Ninyu (chips:1235)
9 Remus West (chips:3055)
10 Trent Steel (chips:2725) (Button)

Always watch the dealers math.

Pot = 165

Actions are Check, bet x (Minimum 10), Fold

MHS
Ninyu
Remus West

The Flop

Action on MHS

funnygirl · Post by **funnygirl** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:36 pm

MHS called me and asked me to post for her.

Action: Check

PM being sent to Ninyu

Ninyu · Post by **Ninyu** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:59 pm

Bet 300

PM'ing Remus

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:04 pm

Fold

PMing MHS

MHS · Post by **MHS** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:32 pm

Fold. Action on Lord Mortis.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:49 pm

Ninyu gets pot of 165 and 300 returned

Hand 11

1 Semaj (chips:1285) (Button)
2 The Meal (chips:2130) (SB)
3
4 ScubaV (chips:1395) (BB)
5 MHS (chips:1460)
6 Spacelord (chips:1535)
7
8 Ninyu (chips:1400)
9 Remus West (chips:3055)
10 Trent Steel (chips:2725)

Always watch the dealers math.

Cards are out

Pot = 15

Actions are call, Raise to x (Minimum 10), Fold

The Meal (SB) 5
ScubaV (BB) 10

Action on MHS

MHS · Post by **MHS** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:02 pm

Fold. Action on SpaceLord.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:04 pm

10 hands in 19 days. That's not too bad.

ScubaV · Post by **ScubaV** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:20 pm

Second time that I've gotten back-to-back hands with the same cards, just reversed suits. Ugh.

SpaceLord · Post by **SpaceLord** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:25 pm

Raise to 40.

Action on Ninyu, message sent.

SpaceLord · Post by **SpaceLord** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:27 pm

ScubaV wrote:Second time that I've gotten back-to-back hands with the same cards, just reversed suits. Ugh.

My previous 3 hands were:

62x
72s
72x

Great stuff.

Ninyu · Post by **Ninyu** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:02 pm

Fold

PM'ing Mr. West

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:30 pm

So I saw a thing on ESPN tonight that said if you start with two suited cards you have a 1/180 chance of hitting the flush.....hmmmmm what was I talking about again? Oh, yeah. Fold.

PM to Trent

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:38 pm

You guys are busy. I take out two little cities in RotTKXI and you guys are going off.

Hand 11

1 Semaj (chips:1285) (Button)
2 The Meal (chips:2130) (SB)
3
4 ScubaV (chips:1395) (BB)
5 MHS (chips:1460)
6 Spacelord (chips:1495)
7
8 Ninyu (chips:1400)
9 Remus West (chips:3055)
10 Trent Steel (chips:2725)

Always watch the dealers math.

Cards are out

Pot = 55
Bet = 40
Minimum Raise = 30

Actions are call, Raise to x (Minimum 70), Fold

The Meal (SB) 5
ScubaV (BB) 10
MHS Folds
Spacelord 40
Ninyu Folds
Remus West Folds

Action on Trent Steel

Trent Steel · Post by **Trent Steel** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:28 am

Foldorama.

edit - PM to Semaj.

The Meal · Post by **The Meal** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:42 am

Remus West wrote:So I saw a thing on ESPN tonight that said if you start with two suited cards you have a 1/180 chance of hitting the flush...

I think that's a little bit low. That's just over 0.5% of flopping a flush, but I think the reality is closer to 0.8% (I calculated it in one of the many General Gaming threads).

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:47 am

The Meal wrote:
Remus West wrote:So I saw a thing on ESPN tonight that said if you start with two suited cards you have a 1/180 chance of hitting the flush...
I think that's a little bit low. That's just over 0.5% of flopping a flush, but I think the reality is closer to 0.8% (I calculated it in one of the many General Gaming threads).

There's a page out there that has a list of like 80 (or whatever) types of starting hands and what your odds are of "making your hand" starting with bullets and working all the way down to 72o. I'll see if I can find it...

Nope. Can't find it but even more cool...

http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/odds_chart" target="_blank

72 suited for example...

"Beer Hand"

The worst starting hand in holdem. It's called the 'Beer Hand' because it's either time for a beer; or if you win with this you need to get other players a beer; or only a person full of beers would play this hand.

Here are your chances ON THE FLOP:

Chance of getting a Straight Flush on the flop: Impossible
Chance of getting 4-of-a-kind on the flop: 0.010204082%
Chance of getting a Full House on the flop: 0.091836735%
Chance of getting a Flush on the flop: 0.841836735%
Chance of getting a Straight on the flop: Impossible
Chance of getting 3-of-a-kind on the flop: 1.571428571%
Chance of getting 2 Pair on the flop: 4.040816327%
Chance of getting 1 Pair on the flop: 26.938775510%
Chance of getting a Four Flush on the flop: 10.943877551%
Chance of NO overcards coming down on the flop: 7.857142857%
Chance of ONE overcard coming down on the flop: 33.000000000%
Chance of TWO overcards coming down on the flop: 42.428571429%
Chance of THREE overcards coming down on the flop: 16.714285714%
Chance of ANY overcards coming down on the flop: 92.142857143%

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:40 am

The Meal wrote:
Remus West wrote:So I saw a thing on ESPN tonight that said if you start with two suited cards you have a 1/180 chance of hitting the flush...
I think that's a little bit low. That's just over 0.5% of flopping a flush, but I think the reality is closer to 0.8% (I calculated it in one of the many General Gaming threads).

I believe they were talking about full hand not just the flop but I could be wrong and I wasn't paying full attention.

The Meal · Post by **The Meal** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:42 am

Remus West wrote:
The Meal wrote:
Remus West wrote:So I saw a thing on ESPN tonight that said if you start with two suited cards you have a 1/180 chance of hitting the flush...
I think that's a little bit low. That's just over 0.5% of flopping a flush, but I think the reality is closer to 0.8% (I calculated it in one of the many General Gaming threads).
I believe they were talking about full hand not just the flop but I could be wrong and I wasn't paying full attention.

If that's the case (seeing all five board cards), one would think the chances of getting the flush would be even higher.

PokerStove tells me that 72o has 34.6% equity vs. a random hand, and 72s has 38.2%. The suitedness gives it an addtional 3%+.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:58 am

They are just talking about hitting the flush though, not winning the hand. A 72o might hit a fullboat, 2 pair, set, etc.... All of those hands are also true for 72s. The only hand they are looking at though is the flush.

Assuming nobody else at the table (say 8 players) has a card of your suit you would have 36 cards left of which 11 would be your suit. 3 of the five drawn need to come from those 11 cards. So your best chances would be on the turn and river since the drawing pool would be lower.
1st card of flop 11/36
2nd card of flop 10/35
3rd card of flop 9/34

or roughly 2.31% of on the flop.

If we do the last three cards filling the flush
3rd card of flop 11/34
Turn 10/33
River 9/32

or roughly 2.76% of the time.

Of course the odds of nobody else holding a single card of your suit are silly low.

At least I think I figured that correctly. Maybe we shouldn't clog our game thread with this though.

The Meal · Post by **The Meal** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:05 pm

Remus West wrote:So I saw a thing on ESPN tonight that said if you start with two suited cards you have a 1/180 chance of hitting the flush...

This percentage is 0.556%. But I hear you about not clogging up this thread.