Fellowship of the Ring (WW) - Conclusion

[Grundbegriff]

 Isgrimnur 
 

Now that would be funny.

[stessier]

 Scoop 
 

[theohall]

 Arcanis 
 


Poking Mr. Talkative who hasn't played much OO WW lately.

[Arcanis]

 Arcanis 
 


Poking Mr. Talkative who hasn't played much OO WW lately.

This from the man who disintegrated him in the last game.

I'm just encouraging people to participate. Stes. got the other one that hadn't joined us yet.

[Lagom Lite]

VOTE COUNT

Against Arcanis (1): theohall
Against Brendan (1): Newcastle
Against Isgrimnur (1): Arcanis
Against Remus West (1): tru1cy
Against Scoop20906 (1): stessier
Against Unagi (2): Grundbegriff, Remus West

No votes registered: Isgrimnur, Chaosraven, Brendan, Scoop20906, Unagi, redrun

Majority is 7.

[stessier]

Who can prove himself?
Who can be emulated by Servants?
Who is expendable?
Is there a rational way to select a Scout?

Hey Grund,

What are your answers?

[Remus West]

Isgrimnur hasn't been here since Sunday. Scoop was here this morning.

HEY! SCOOP! Care to share any thoughts?

[Remus West]

Is there a rational way to select a Scout?

Hey Grund,

What are your answers?[/quote]
In some ways he answered this by his vote.

[Arcanis]

Isgrimnur hasn't been here since Sunday. Scoop was here this morning.

HEY! SCOOP! Care to share any thoughts?

Really i thought i saw him on during the week. Could be wrong though.  Scoop 
 
however i've seen post since then.

[stessier]

Isgrimnur hasn't been here since Sunday.

He hasn't been on GT for several days either.

[theohall]

Isgrimnur hasn't been here since Sunday.

He hasn't been on GT for several days either.

Dow he even know the other game is over?

[stessier]

Isgrimnur hasn't been here since Sunday.

He hasn't been on GT for several days either.

Dow he even know the other game is over?

Lagom said everyone picked up their roles. Isgrimnur's last post on GT was on Wednesday.

[Newcastle]

Isgrimnur hasn't been here since Sunday.

He hasn't been on GT for several days either.

Dow he even know the other game is over?

Lagom said everyone picked up their roles. Isgrimnur's last post on GT was on Wednesday.

and stessier takes WW stalking & gamesmanship to a whole new level

[Remus West]

With this post I will have accomplished it. I have seeded all of my posts in every thread since yesterday with bits of the code I came up with. Properly decoded they reveal my role and my full current thinking on the game. I will attempt (you have no idea what an enormous pain in the ass it was to do thus I do not promise to succeed) to continue this practice each game day. Have fun stessier and Chaosraven as this is all for you.

[stessier]

and stessier takes WW stalking & gamesmanship to a whole new level

Your last post on GT was Dec 9, 2009.
On popehat, Jun 19, 2008.
How's the weather in DC today?

[stessier]

With this post I will have accomplished it. I have seeded all of my posts in every thread since yesterday with bits of the code I came up with. Properly decoded they reveal my role and my full current thinking on the game. I will attempt (you have no idea what an enormous pain in the ass it was to do thus I do not promise to succeed) to continue this practice each game day. Have fun stessier and Chaosraven as this is all for you.

Please tell me this is true. I don't want to go through all the effort for nothing.

[Unagi]

With this post I will have accomplished it. I have seeded all of my posts in every thread since yesterday with bits of the code I came up with. Properly decoded they reveal my role and my full current thinking on the game. I will attempt (you have no idea what an enormous pain in the ass it was to do thus I do not promise to succeed) to continue this practice each game day. Have fun stessier and Chaosraven as this is all for you.

Please tell me this is true. I don't want to go through all the effort for nothing.

I did the same thing. But this post doesn't count - I didn 't put anything in this post. Except, actually if you take the first two lines of Remus's post (quoted above) - that, ironically does fit into the code I established as well.


enjoy.

[theohall]

With this post I will have accomplished it. I have seeded all of my posts in every thread since yesterday with bits of the code I came up with. Properly decoded they reveal my role and my full current thinking on the game. I will attempt (you have no idea what an enormous pain in the ass it was to do thus I do not promise to succeed) to continue this practice each game day. Have fun stessier and Chaosraven as this is all for you.

At least it is not
An easy to read format
We can decipher.

[stessier]

enjoy.

Shouldn't you be packing or something?

[Newcastle]

and stessier takes WW stalking & gamesmanship to a whole new level

Your last post on GT was Dec 9, 2009.
On popehat, Jun 19, 2008.
How's the weather in DC today?

DC- probably slightly humid, maybe a bit of a chill...though i really couldnt tell you....but what i can tell you...is how the weather is in southern california, now am not so afraid of your cyberstalking...but am kind of a letdown since i was looking forward to having a competent one at long last.

and remus, can you tell us at what point you started seeding your posts with your codes...and the funny thing is...when you take time to put a code in a game protecting your role....and you dont use it...has happened to me like in the last 3-5 games.

[Newcastle]

(meant to add at end of last post, but got too hurried to see who else had posted in the intermediary)

[Arcanis]

With this post I will have accomplished it. I have seeded all of my posts in every thread since yesterday with bits of the code I came up with. Properly decoded they reveal my role and my full current thinking on the game. I will attempt (you have no idea what an enormous pain in the ass it was to do thus I do not promise to succeed) to continue this practice each game day. Have fun stessier and Chaosraven as this is all for you.

With this post I will have accomplished it. I have seeded all of my posts in every thread since yesterday with bits of the code I came up with. Properly decoded they reveal my role and my full current thinking on the game. I will attempt (you have no idea what an enormous pain in the ass it was to do thus I do not promise to succeed) to continue this practice each game day. Have fun stessier and Chaosraven as this is all for you.

Please tell me this is true. I don't want to go through all the effort for nothing.

I did the same thing. But this post doesn't count - I didn 't put anything in this post. Except, actually if you take the first two lines of Remus's post (quoted above) - that, ironically does fit into the code I established as well.


enjoy.

Please point it out to us after the game. I really don't want to have to go nuts deciphering this stuff, but would love to see how you did it.

[stessier]

but what i can tell you...is how the weather is in southern california, now am not so afraid of your cyberstalking

It would be easier if you updated us on your location more often. I thought I remember you moved in the last 3 years (I think you used it as an excuse in one of the games, no?). I couldn't think of any more search terms, though, and DC was all I got. Ah well. I'm no Tarqee - could probably get your shoe size.

[Newcastle]

but what i can tell you...is how the weather is in southern california, now am not so afraid of your cyberstalking

It would be easier if you updated us on your location more often.

why its reading over a shoulder near you stessier...come on..

(actually been based in So Cal for the last 3years or so...but moved around due to various work opportunities, but never permenantly only for short stints)

[Chaosraven]

With this post I will have accomplished it. I have seeded all of my posts in every thread since yesterday with bits of the code I came up with. Properly decoded they reveal my role and my full current thinking on the game. I will attempt (you have no idea what an enormous pain in the ass it was to do thus I do not promise to succeed) to continue this practice each game day. Have fun stessier and Chaosraven as this is all for you.

Please tell me this is true. I don't want to go through all the effort for nothing.

I did the same thing. But this post doesn't count - I didn 't put anything in this post. Except, actually if you take the first two lines of Remus's post (quoted above) - that, ironically does fit into the code I established as well.


enjoy.

i hate you guys

[Unagi]

Please point it out to us after the game. I really don't want to have to go nuts deciphering this stuff, but would love to see how you did it.

I think Remus was serious, but I was actually just joking. (I've done it in the past, but have sorta stopped doing it lately.)


or was I.

Code: Select all

31,922 + 65,869 = 0

[Arcanis]

With this post I will have accomplished it. I have seeded all of my posts in every thread since yesterday with bits of the code I came up with. Properly decoded they reveal my role and my full current thinking on the game. I will attempt (you have no idea what an enormous pain in the ass it was to do thus I do not promise to succeed) to continue this practice each game day. Have fun stessier and Chaosraven as this is all for you.

Please tell me this is true. I don't want to go through all the effort for nothing.

I did the same thing. But this post doesn't count - I didn 't put anything in this post. Except, actually if you take the first two lines of Remus's post (quoted above) - that, ironically does fit into the code I established as well.


enjoy.

i hate you guys

We could all blatantly state our roles in the thread now and Chaos wouldn't know for a week.

[stessier]

Have the Servants wandered away out of boredom yet?

[redrun]

i hate you guys

What he said.

More serious. I've been thinking about who we can afford to lose, who we'd prefer to lose, who we don't want to lose...

Mr. Urak-Hai: #1 on the list: he kills, he captures, he gets the ring.
Mr. Witch King: #2 He cannot steal/get the ring, but he can corrupt and find the hobbits.
Gollum: Yeah, I know what Mr. White Beard likes to say, but we don't need him and his stealing is a problem.
Boromir: Really, he is just another unpowered free people. But he doesn't think like one.

After this it gets a lot weird. We need a hobbit (preferably Frodo) with the ring and a hobbit/gollum to pass the ring to on the last journey. Depending on the status of the evil four, it might be useful to have a couple of 'known' hobbits to keep Mr. Urak-Hai from grabbing one on the last night. We'd be much better off with an uncorrupted free person on day six to hunt orc. Gandalf, and especially Gandalf's scans could become needed if we need to know a couple of hobbit names at the end (note: hobbit names do not begin with a g followed by a gulping sound). Aragorn - could you please prevent Gollum from stealing from Frodo tonight? It'd make life easier. Aragorn is less useful in this version, and I think (as much as possible) he's better to try to protect free people (save for Gollum's steal, hobbits tend to have two modes - walking on their own and carried by orcs - things just don't happen to them).

So, bottom up:
Frodo, if he still has the ring to pass it along.
Another hobbit
Another hobbit
A Free person

After that, everyone else is just redundant spares. Five hobbits. Five free people, one possibily corrupted. I think we should 'hunt orc' as often as possible UNLESS we've got some hard knowledge of evil folks. I do not think that the free people should be scouting today, I think we're safer to lose any hobbit but Frodo. I think we're best if we can lose one of the evil four today - but, failing that, my fallback recommendation is a hobbit. Agree? Disagree? No Opinion?

[redrun]

With this post I will have accomplished it. I have seeded all of my posts in every thread since yesterday with bits of the code I came up with. Properly decoded they reveal my role and my full current thinking on the game. I will attempt (you have no idea what an enormous pain in the ass it was to do thus I do not promise to succeed) to continue this practice each game day. Have fun stessier and Chaosraven as this is all for you.

-- You say you've put your full current thinking into your code. I believe you.

[Arcanis]

you bring up a good point about having hobbits to spare and them being pretty much immune to anything other than capture.

I have to ponder a while if I really agree that having 1 non-frodo midget come forward and scout for us today is the best choice of action though.

[stessier]

So redrun is a Servant. This may be easier than I thought.

[redrun]

you bring up a good point about having hobbits to spare and them being pretty much immune to anything other than capture.

I have to ponder a while if I really agree that having 1 non-frodo midget come forward and scout for us today is the best choice of action though.

-- I did not say that I wanted a non-frodo midget to come forward. If we get to a kill the volunteer stage we can discuss the options, but at this point I don't think anyone should be coming forward and offering to die unless they are trying to muddy the waters.

[Arcanis]

well it is obvious the bad guys won't say to scout them. Then your fall back is a hobbit, how else do we know who is a hobbit unless someone steps up and takes the bullet. It wasn't your wording that asked a hobbit to volunteer but it is the only way to follow through on your suggestion.

[redrun]

So redrun is a Servant. This may be easier than I thought.

-- Kewl. Would you mind telling us why I'm a servant so we might all know?

[Remus West]

I think we need to be careful with when we Orc Hunt. Remember, the Witchking corrupts the free people so every turn we do not scout we risk allowing the evil to spread. Balanced against that is waiting to long to hunt orc when it becomes an option means we potentially allow the corruption of the last free person. Personally though I think that if we are looking for volunteers for today's scout it should come from the unpowered free people. They are the ones that can switch sides. That is hugely damaging. I think the risk of captured Hobbits (losing the last free person) less dangerous than having a traitor each turn. Sacrificing a Free person now lowers the chances that the Witchking hits one from here on out.

[redrun]

well it is obvious the bad guys won't say to scout them. Then your fall back is a hobbit, how else do we know who is a hobbit unless someone steps up and takes the bullet. It wasn't your wording that asked a hobbit to volunteer but it is the only way to follow through on your suggestion.

-- Hmm. I'd figured we'd see where the voting went, and at some point a player would be explaining why we shouldn't put that last vote in to kill them. Everything I've seen people post so far was "save the hobbits, let the free people die".

[theohall]

The issues with a hobbit stepping forward:

• Will the Servants cooperate and actually try to capture that hobbit? (Probably not)
• Does it shorten the Servants search pool? (Yes, which isn't good for the Fellowship)
• It gives the good guys a known who could potentially receive the Ring at the end.
• Role is provable, whether via Capture or Scan.

I'm sure there are more issues, but the list is a start.

[Arcanis]

A hobbit are required to win is all. I would like to keep the free people alive and just nuke the bad guys but they aren't very cooperative about that.

So like i said it requires thinking as to when it is acceptable to sacrifice a hobbit or free person. We are most likely to get volunteers on day 1 due to people realizing they don't have time for the game, as compared to day 2 or 3 when they are already have invested a lot of time.

Also should we give Isg a pass for a while until he shows back up? I'm inclined to do so but am also wary about it weighing the game down, much as the Bubbles situation in R. Scott.

[Remus West]

The issues with a hobbit stepping forward:

• Will the Servants cooperate and actually try to capture that hobbit? (Probably not)
• Does it shorten the Servants search pool? (Yes, which isn't good for the Fellowship)
• It gives the good guys a known who could potentially receive the Ring at the end.
• Role is provable, whether via Capture or Scan.

I'm sure there are more issues, but the list is a start.

Bullet point one negates 1/2 of bullet point four.
Bullet point two means the second half of bullet point four is much more likely to be taken as well.
Bullet point three is useless without bullet point four.

As far as the Hobbits go, we are much better off "finding" one by him being captured. Then he is proven. Coming forward before that event leaves the potential to be lying and the potential for us to be hoping for a scan that never comes.

One of the Hobbits best abilities IMO is that they are pretty much perma-protected from two of the three attacks (Urukhai and Witchking with Gollum's theft being the third they are not safe from). Granted the protection from the Orcs is only semi as we then need to take the time to get them back but it does have the added benefit of proving the target of the attack. Hidden Hobbits are potentially attempts to corrupt used in vain by the Witchking. If he doesn't waste a lot of them and/or we do not catch him soon then we are screwed.