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Pyperkub wrote:Well, this is some decent news - Clinton against at least one controversial piece of the TPP:
Hillary Clinton is opposed to a critical piece of the Obama administration's Trans-Pacific Partnership, which would give corporations the right to sue sovereign nations over laws or regulations that could potentially curb their profits.

The policy position is contained in her book Hard Choices, and was confirmed to HuffPost by a spokesperson for her presidential campaign.
Of course, as with all things Corporate Clinton, I wouldn't consider this set in stone until seeing actual action, but I will take it as a positive.
That's sort of a funny description, because corporations can already sue the U.S. over laws and regulations that hurt their profits. Like how injured companies are going to sue the U.S. over the new net neutrality rules.

That said, there is certainly potential for abuse, though it's more concerning for smaller countries that would have a harder time litigating and paying any resulting fines.
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El Guapo wrote:
Pyperkub wrote:Well, this is some decent news - Clinton against at least one controversial piece of the TPP:
Hillary Clinton is opposed to a critical piece of the Obama administration's Trans-Pacific Partnership, which would give corporations the right to sue sovereign nations over laws or regulations that could potentially curb their profits.

The policy position is contained in her book Hard Choices, and was confirmed to HuffPost by a spokesperson for her presidential campaign.
Of course, as with all things Corporate Clinton, I wouldn't consider this set in stone until seeing actual action, but I will take it as a positive.
That's sort of a funny description, because corporations can already sue the U.S. over laws and regulations that hurt their profits. Like how injured companies are going to sue the U.S. over the new net neutrality rules.

That said, there is certainly potential for abuse, though it's more concerning for smaller countries that would have a harder time litigating and paying any resulting fines.
Philip Morris/Tobacco seem to be the current drivers:

Tiny Uruguay may not seem a likely front line in the war of the quit smoking brigade against Big Tobacco.

But the Latin American country has unwittingly found itself not just in the thick of that battle, but in the middle of an even bigger fight – that of the rising opposition to international free trade deals.

Philip Morris is suing Uruguay for increasing the size of the health warnings on cigarette packs, and for clamping down on tobacco companies’ use of sub-brands like Malboro Red, Gold, Blue or Green which could give the impression some cigarettes are safe to smoke.

The tobacco behemoth is taking its legal action under the terms of a bilateral trade agreement between Switzerland – where it relatively recently moved from the US – and Uruguay...

...The Uruguayan case pre-dates the more famous but similar ISDS case brought by Philip Morris against Australia when the country banned logos on cigarette packets. The tobacco giant’s attack on Australia, which is ongoing, led New Zealand to U-turn on a decision to follow its bigger neighbour with plain packaging.

Philip Morris said: “The two regulations we’re challenging in Uruguay, and the one we’re challenging in Australia, arbitrarily and unjustifiably restrict legitimate businesses from using their brands and trademarks to sell their products.
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Alefroth wrote:
Defiant wrote:The deficit is going down, but it's still higher than all but the end of Bush's term (which was high due to TARP, etc, as were Obama's first few years).
Maybe so, but Obama reversed the rising deficit trend and it's been reduced every year he has been in office. Something that hasn't happened in over 100 years. Maybe he needs four more years.

The largest deficit increase ever was under Bush, a year before Obama took over. Pointing at the deficit as an Obama failure is disingenuous. It's actually quite a success.

First of all, the largest deficit increase was during World War 2.

Second of all, the increase actually took place in 2009 (the year Obama took over) but was due to TARP and other similar economy saving programs (which both Bush and Obama pushed for, So assigning blame to one and not the other is... disingenuous)

Third, yes, the deficit has been going down, but that's easy to do when you start really really high up.

The real question is if you remove temporary emergency programs like TARP, how large was Obama and Bushs average deficits?
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From Rip's link - the recent deficits:

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In 2007 she wanted civil unions but not gay marriages.
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In 2006, I thought Jerry Jones was the devil.
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Isgrimnur wrote:In 2006, I thought Jerry Jones was the devil.
You don't think so anymore?
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A greater demon, maybe. If he were the devil, I figure he'd have had greater success lately.
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Isgrimnur wrote:A greater demon, maybe. If he were the devil, I figure he'd have had greater success lately.
But isn't that the way of the devil, to have you abandon all hope?
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Seeing as I relish the failure of the Cowboys, his failures do nothing but bolster my hope.
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Walker is such a bad governor that my Republican family members from Wisconsin were trashing him at the wedding this weekend--retired farmers, an engineer and a home builder.

My dad voted for Ross Perot because George W Bush lied about raising taxes, and voting for a Democrat like Clinton was unthinkable. He moved out of Illinois because Wisconsin was cheaper and less Democratic, but he still really dislikes Gov. Walker.
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Hillary Clinton should have never endorsed Barrack Obama for senator, but she did, and she ended losing the election 8 yrs ago. I bet she regrets that one! She would have been a better Democratic president in my opinion, and Barack could have been the 1st black VP and Hillary the 1st woman Pres. Then today Barack would have been the guy running for Demo Pres candidate, but we would now know more about him. He never had the resume to qualify for such an important job, in the real world in corporate america he would have never been hired for a CEO position. Just simply did not have the resume to back it up...but he was a great speaker. Hillary will have a tough time this go around, she is old, has email and foundation funding issues...she has baggage to deal with.
I can't say any of the candidates are wow'ing me. It will be wait and see.
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Edward wrote: He never had the resume to qualify for such an important job, in the real world in corporate america he would have never been hired for a CEO position.
What exactly should his resume have contained to make him qualified in your opinion?
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I guess "being married to a President" is perhaps the one thing on Hillary's resume that wasn't on Barrack's?
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She could claim she got hosed by a President and by a future President. Though in Bill's case, probably not so much.
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Unagi wrote:I guess "being married to a President" is perhaps the one thing on Hillary's resume that wasn't on Barrack's?
I'm guessing maybe that since Obama hadn't served as a governor, that might be what he was talking about? But there have been quite a few presidents throughout our history that haven't served in such a capacity before taking office.
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Secretary of State.

Senator for a FULL term.
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She hadn't been Secretary of State yet in 2008.
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Rip wrote:Secretary of State.

Senator for a FULL term.
Hillary Clinton thanks you for your endorsement.
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We need a tracker on how many minutes since Cruz has shown up for a Senate vote.
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Jaymann wrote:We need a tracker on how many minutes since Cruz has shown up for a Senate vote.
He has only missed like 1% more than Hillary missed. Both have missed about half the percentage Obama missed though so there is still room.
1. Maryon Allen: 43.4% (355 total votes)
2. Ross Bass: 35.8% (497 total votes)
3. David Clark: 35.7% (677 total votes)
6. Eugene McCarthy: 31.2% (3,135 total votes)
7. Barry Goldwater: 30.8% (10,807 total votes)
10. Mike Gravel: 29.5% (6,264 total votes)
24. Barack Obama: 24.2% (1,300 total votes)
25. George McGovern: 23.8% (7,891 total votes)
36. Al Gore: 19.8% (2,731 total votes)
57. Walter Mondale: 16.3% (5,149 total votes)
64. John Edwards: 15.7% (1,980 total votes)
114. Ted Cruz: 10.7% (825 total votes)
131. Hillary Rodham Clinton: 9.5% (2,616 total votes)
150. Marco Rubio: 8.3% (1,311 total votes)

222. Lindsey O. Graham: 4.5% (3,984 total votes)
279. Rand Paul: 3.1% (1,311 total votes)
290. Bernie Sanders: 2.9% (2,664 total votes)
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Rip wrote:
Jaymann wrote:We need a tracker on how many minutes since Cruz has shown up for a Senate vote.
He has only missed like 1% more than Hillary missed.
To quibble, he's missed over 10% more.

9.5 * 112.5% = 10.7


But your point stands.
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LawBeefaroni wrote:
Rip wrote:
Jaymann wrote:We need a tracker on how many minutes since Cruz has shown up for a Senate vote.
He has only missed like 1% more than Hillary missed.
To quibble, he's missed over 10% more.

9.5 * 112.5% = 10.7


But your point stands.
Yea, no.

How about we go with she missed 250 something and he missed less than 100......


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Rip wrote:
LawBeefaroni wrote:
Rip wrote:
Jaymann wrote:We need a tracker on how many minutes since Cruz has shown up for a Senate vote.
He has only missed like 1% more than Hillary missed.
To quibble, he's missed over 10% more.

9.5 * 112.5% = 10.7


But your point stands.
Yea, no.

How about we go with she missed 250 something and he missed less than 100......


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She also voted 1,791 more times.
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Benghazi!!
While advising Mrs. Clinton on Libya, Mr. Blumenthal, who had been barred from a State Department job by aides to President Obama, was also employed by her family’s philanthropy, the Clinton Foundation, to help with research, “message guidance” and the planning of commemorative events, according to foundation officials. During the same period, he also worked on and off as a paid consultant to Media Matters and American Bridge, organizations that helped lay the groundwork for Mrs. Clinton’s 2016 campaign.

Much of the Libya intelligence that Mr. Blumenthal passed on to Mrs. Clinton appears to have come from a group of business associates he was advising as they sought to win contracts from the Libyan transitional government. The venture, which was ultimately unsuccessful, involved other Clinton friends, a private military contractor and one former C.I.A. spy seeking to get in on the ground floor of the new Libyan economy.
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Moliere wrote:Benghazi!!
While advising Mrs. Clinton on Libya, Mr. Blumenthal, who had been barred from a State Department job by aides to President Obama, was also employed by her family’s philanthropy, the Clinton Foundation, to help with research, “message guidance” and the planning of commemorative events, according to foundation officials. During the same period, he also worked on and off as a paid consultant to Media Matters and American Bridge, organizations that helped lay the groundwork for Mrs. Clinton’s 2016 campaign.

Much of the Libya intelligence that Mr. Blumenthal passed on to Mrs. Clinton appears to have come from a group of business associates he was advising as they sought to win contracts from the Libyan transitional government. The venture, which was ultimately unsuccessful, involved other Clinton friends, a private military contractor and one former C.I.A. spy seeking to get in on the ground floor of the new Libyan economy.
The cattle futures incident is of no import! It was almost 40 years ago! It doesn't say anything about her character!
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Judge orders rolling release of State Dept e-mails:
A federal judge has rejected the State Department’s plan to release most of Hillary Clinton’s emails as secretary of state in one large batch, insisting that the agency parcel out releases of the records over time.

U.S. District Court Judge Rudolph Contreras announced Tuesday his plans to order a “rolling production” of the emails just hours after the State Department proposed that it not be required to make the records public until January 2016, a lawyer involved said.
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However, the judge gave the government one week to provide a schedule for the periodic release of records, Vice News lawyer Jeffrey Light said after the session.

Contreras also gave State one week to say exactly when it plans to release a portion of the records relating to the deadly attack on U.S. facilities in Benghazi, as well as other Libya related issues. State officials have previously pledged to release those emails “soon,” but have never offered a specific date.

The Libya-related records were turned over to a House committee in February.
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First batch
A batch of Hillary Clinton's personal emails made public on Thursday morning offers a glimpse into her team's initial exchange of information in the wake of the Benghazi attacks as well as her relationship with longtime confidante Sidney Blumenthal, who sent her at least two dozen memos regarding Libya during her tenure as Secretary of State.
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The documents show that, while Clinton used her personal email account to receive information the government calls "sensitive," she did not appear to use her private server to exchange classified information.

The "sensitive" information included details like the location of State Department officials in Libya during a time of instability in the country in 2011.

The documents released by the New York Times also show that Clinton received numerous briefing memos about Libya from Blumenthal, a longtime friend of the Clintons who was not employed by the State Department. The New York Times reported earlier this week that Blumenthal was also involved with a possible business venture in the country at the time.

Two of those memos from Blumenthal came in the days immediately following the September 11, 2012 Benghazi attacks.

In one, sent on September 12, Blumenthal suggested that top security officers in the country believed that the attacks "were inspired by what many devout Libyan viewed as a sacrilegious internet video on the prophet Mohammed originating in America." Clinton forwarded that information to top adviser Jake Sullivan with the message "more info."

But another memo sent the following day indicated that the attacks may have actually been carried out by a militia group. Blumenthal wrote that officials in the country "believe that the attackers having prepared to launch their assault took advantage of the cover provided by the demonstrations in Benghazi protesting an internet production seen as disrespectful to the prophet Mohammed."
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Black Lives definitely Matter Lorini!

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Not terribly surprising, but her emails show that she was fighting for gay rights at least as far back as March 2009 (which was shortly after she started her own server, so probably further back than that).

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That's obviously a fake email. You can tell because that font wasn't available in 2009. And July 6, 2009 was a Tuesday.
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Moliere wrote:That's obviously a fake email. You can tell because that font wasn't available in 2009. And July 6, 2009 was a Tuesday.
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Hrod.

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LawBeefaroni wrote:Hrod.

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Why on earth would she be hrod{17} when using her own domain? Are there really 16 other hrods in her family, and they all created their email addresses first?

Weird.
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GreenGoo wrote:
LawBeefaroni wrote:Hrod.

:snooty:
Why on earth would she be hrod{17} when using her own domain? Are there really 16 other hrods in her family, and they all created their email addresses first?

Weird.
Possibly for filtering purposes? (the same way you can add a +words to an email address)
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Defiant wrote:
GreenGoo wrote:
LawBeefaroni wrote:Hrod.

:snooty:
Why on earth would she be hrod{17} when using her own domain? Are there really 16 other hrods in her family, and they all created their email addresses first?

Weird.
Possibly for filtering purposes? (the same way you can add a +words to an email address)
I think 1-16 are the ones she used to talk about the Bilderbergs, the New World Order, FEMA camps, and all that stuff. 17 was the one for public consumption, just in case.
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The inspector general for the intelligence community has informed members of Congress that some material Hillary Clinton emailed from her private server contained classified information, but it was not identified that way.

Because it was not identified, it is unclear whether Clinton realized she was potentially compromising classified information.

The IG reviewed a "limited sampling" of her emails and among those 40 reviewed found that "four contained classified [intelligence community] information," wrote the IG Charles McCullough in a letter to Congress.
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What, no accompanying picture of her looking at a shelf?
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