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stessier wrote:

Rumpy wrote:And isn't that false advertising? How can they claim one thing and do something completely different while making people pay more for it?

I think they can get away with it because a commercial is trying to sell you something. The Promotional Interruption is just CBS making you aware of one of it's programs. It's a fine line.

There's probably also some loophole in the legalese about the fact that they're not getting paid to run 'promotions' for their own shows. If it isn't commercial, is it a commercial?

Just doesn't seem legit. In some markets, this could be constituted as bait-and-switch, offering one service and delivering on another, all the while, pocketing more money.

Buh-bye, Bryan Fuller!! Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised to see this killed off before even premiering.

I mean, as soon as they made it an All Access exclusive, it was dead.

Being on a CBS network was kind of a bad sign, really. Star Trek doesn't really fit the network's image or feel right now, anyway. Look at Supergirl, it was pretty good for what it was trying to do, but it was out of place. Its move to CW makes sense, with the other superhero shows to provide a larger world to play in. Star Trek doesn't make sense on there, either, especially with the much larger budget.

Suitably Ironic Moniker wrote:Buh-bye, Bryan Fuller!! Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised to see this killed off before even premiering.

Boooooooooo.

Guess this means one less show for me to have to pay attention to. Now I can focus on American Gods and Amazing Stories.

No worries folks! Fuller may be stepping down, but Variety reports that Akiva Goldsman will soon be joining Star Trek: Discovery in a "top creative role."

You remember Goldsman... he's the guy who wrote Joel Schumacher's Batman & Robin movie and the 1998 remake of Lost in Space. Oh, and he also produced that screen classic, Paranormal Activity 4! So all is well!

(In fairness, Goldsman also won an Oscar for adapting the A Beautiful Mind screenplay -- so there is that.)

Ok I get why people are complaining about the "commercial free" service having promo breaks but after reading this, is it really a big deal?

The “promotional interruptions” will be brief, but un-skippable, promos — 15 seconds at most, and no more than two promos per half-hour — for other CBS shows. They’ll show up in about 10 percent of CBS’ episodes

So 10% of CBS's streaming shows will have 30 seconds of tv show promos every half hour? Yeah thats a 1st world problem if I ever hear one.

I think it is a principle 'foot in the door' kind of argument.

You're either commercial-free or you're not. Everything else is semantics.

AjD wrote:No worries folks! Fuller may be stepping down, but Variety reports that Akiva Goldsman will soon be joining Star Trek: Discovery in a "top creative role."

You remember Goldsman... he's the guy who wrote Joel Schumacher's Batman & Robin movie and the 1998 remake of Lost in Space. Oh, and he also produced that screen classic, Paranormal Activity 4! So all is well!

(In fairness, Goldsman also won an Oscar for adapting the A Beautiful Mind screenplay -- so there is that.)

Goodbye thoughtful science fiction with action, hello melodrama by consensus.

Losing Bryan Fuller is a pretty big deal. He at least brought a bit of integrity, vision and trek expertise to the new show, but if he's leaving before it even airs, it feels to me like there may be more things going on behind the scenes that point to it being doomed. Not a very good sign.

Ugh. Akiva Goldsman is just terrible at genre stuff. He's got some decent dramas under his belt - the aforementioned A Beautiful Mind, Cinderella Man, The Client, A Time to Kill - all decent. I don't really blame him for The Da Vinci Code because that book was crap to begin with.

But the genre stuff - Batman Forever, Batman & Robin, I, Robot - all garbage. He's also the reason I'm really pessimistic about the Dark Tower adaptation.

He's like an anti-J.J. Abrams.

Seems doomed anyways. From what Ive read it seems nothing like what fans would want or do want.

Wait, Michelle Yeoh will be "number one"?

http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/78848 ... -discovery

Ok, this in interesting from the link above:

Following its May 2017 premiere on the CBS Television Network, all episodes of Star Trek: Discovery will be available in the U.S. exclusively on CBS All Access. Continuing the worldwide appeal of the franchise, each episode of the series will be available globally within 24 hours of its U.S. premiere, presented on Netflix in 188 countries and through Bell Media platforms in Canada.
Read more at

Sooo, if you can fake what country you are in, you can watch this. And here is a link as to how to do this:

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/watch-ever ... tter-live/

Seems pretty simple to do.

Kasey Chang wrote:Wait, Michelle Yeoh will be "number one"?

http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/78848 ... -discovery

No, not "Number One":

Although it is unconfirmed at this time, Michelle Yeoh’s role is potentially the series’ lead, a female Lieutenant Commander.
Read more at

Unless she's not the commander of the ship which would be unusual.

Actually, it was announced long time ago that the female lead of Star Trek Discovery will NOT be the captain.

4. Asked about the lead character’s rank, Fuller said, “Lt. Commander … with caveats.” Fuller said that the lead character’s most important traits include “a strength and sensitivity and an amusing neurosis that goes with exploring space.” When asked why he chose not to make the lead a captain, Fuller noted “We’ve seen six series from captains’ points of view, so to see a character from a different perspective, who has a different dynamic with the captain, with subordinates,” was something he was eager to explore.

Kasey Chang wrote:Actually, it was announced long time ago that the female lead of Star Trek Discovery will NOT be the captain.

4. Asked about the lead character’s rank, Fuller said, “Lt. Commander … with caveats.” Fuller said that the lead character’s most important traits include “a strength and sensitivity and an amusing neurosis that goes with exploring space.” When asked why he chose not to make the lead a captain, Fuller noted “We’ve seen six series from captains’ points of view, so to see a character from a different perspective, who has a different dynamic with the captain, with subordinates,” was something he was eager to explore.

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Ok, cool, that could be a different an interesting take.

Grifman wrote:Ok, this in interesting from the link above:

Following its May 2017 premiere on the CBS Television Network, all episodes of Star Trek: Discovery will be available in the U.S. exclusively on CBS All Access. Continuing the worldwide appeal of the franchise, each episode of the series will be available globally within 24 hours of its U.S. premiere, presented on Netflix in 188 countries and through Bell Media platforms in Canada.
Read more at

Sooo, if you can fake what country you are in, you can watch this. And here is a link as to how to do this:

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/watch-ever ... tter-live/

Seems pretty simple to do.

VPN option is out. They block most VPNs and proxies.

I'm sure most people will watch this the same way they watch Game of Thrones.

Blackhawk wrote:I'm sure most people will watch this the same way they watch Game of Thrones.

On HBO?

Moat_Man wrote:

Blackhawk wrote:I'm sure most people will watch this the same way they watch Game of Thrones.

On HBO?

On DVD.

Now someone leaked (unconfirmed) that Michelle Yeoh will be captain of a DIFFERENT Starfleet ship, USS Shenzhou that will be interacting with USS Discovery.

Frankly, this sounds fishy.

Kraken wrote:

Moat_Man wrote:

Blackhawk wrote:I'm sure most people will watch this the same way they watch Game of Thrones.

On HBO?

On DVD.

On Kodi

Kasey Chang wrote:Now someone leaked (unconfirmed) that Michelle Yeoh will be captain of a DIFFERENT Starfleet ship, USS Shenzhou that will be interacting with USS Discovery.

Frankly, this sounds fishy.

Heh, gotta match the Asian captain with the Asian ship.

Its delayed again. Why it may even start filming 'soon'ish.

Originally planned to premiere in January 2017, 'Star Trek Discovery' was delayed until May late last year, and now that date has slipped again. In an announcement today from CBS, the network has confirmed that the series will be "flexible on a launch date if it's best for the show", but that filming is finally set to kick off next week.

Some character info

Seems like total shit to me and Im a huge Trek fan. Looks like they simply mishmashed crew together to be PC for everyone, a black, a white, a Asian, a gay , a Klingon, a alien....all we need now is a Muslim(which is rumored) and a midget,,,ohhhh short person...vertically challenged. My wife hates it when I say that.

You know what would be great? A Captain Shran series.

El Guapo wrote:You know what would be great? A Captain Shran series.

Ive said that many times.

In fact.....

jeffrey combs liked your Tweet
4 Jul 2016: @jeffreycombs The best new Trek series would be one that follows Shran and his crew. Not kidding.

jeffrey combs

Daehawk wrote:Some character info

Seems like total shit to me and Im a huge Trek fan. Looks like they simply mishmashed crew together to be PC for everyone, a black, a white, a Asian, a gay , a Klingon, a alien....

Unlike the Original Series, which had a black, a white, an Asian, a Russian, and an aiien.

Or Picard's crew, which had a black, a white, a Klingon (and Asian support characters.)

Or DS9, which had a black, a white, an Asian support character, a bunch of aliens, and touched on homosexuality for the first time in Trek.

Or Voyager, which had an Asian, a white, a Klingon, an alien, a Native American, and a black alien.

Or Enterprise, which had a black, a white, an Asian, and an alien.

The only thing that hasn't been well represented in Trek is gay characters, and that was because most of the Trek was made before that was allowed (although DS9 had a hugely controversial episode in which Dax was involved with a woman.) In fact, one of the things that makes Trek stand out so much is that they push controversial social issues. TOS had the first interracial kiss on TV, a black woman in a position of respect, and an Asian and a Russian during the heart of the cold war. Those things get called out as the best qualities of Roddenberry's message in every Star Trek documentary or discussion I've ever seen.

So, what was the complaint again?

Blackhawk wrote: Or Voyager, which had an Asian, a white, a Klingon, an alien, and a black alien.

And a Native American (played by an actor of Latino/Native American heritage).

I have a hard time believing that they'll actually manage to come out with anything resembling a TV season. Maybe 5-6 episodes tops, by the time it's all said and done. Fewer, if they go with the "TV movie" format for each episode.

gilraen wrote:

Blackhawk wrote: Or Voyager, which had an Asian, a white, a Klingon, an alien, and a black alien.

And a Native American (played by an actor of Latino/Native American heritage).

Oops, I accidentally reassigned Chakotay.

Blackhawk wrote: Or Voyager, which had an Asian, a white, a Klingon, an alien, and a black alien.

Or Enterprise, which had a black, a white, an Asian, a Native American and an alien.

Blackhawk wrote: Oops, I accidentally reassigned Chakotay.

Blackhawk wrote: Or Voyager, which had an Asian, a white, a Klingon, an alien, and a black alien.

Or Enterprise, which had a black, a white, an Asian, a Native American and an alien.

I saw you listed one for Enterprise but I figured that maybe I was forgetting someone from that crew (I'll admit that I never finished watching that show)

How long must my daughter wait to see a Asian actor or actress playing a major role on television or the movies without hearing the criticism of "oh they're just being PC"? (Lucy Liu rocks as Watson on Elementary btw) When will it be allowed? 2020? When I have grandchildren? When?

$iljanus wrote:How long must my daughter wait to see a Asian actor or actress playing a major role on television or the movies without hearing the criticism of "oh they're just being PC"? (Lucy Liu rocks as Watson on Elementary btw) When will it be allowed? 2020? When I have grandchildren? When?

We watch many shows cast entirely of Asians. The US isn't the only country that produces TV shows.

Jeff V wrote:

$iljanus wrote:How long must my daughter wait to see a Asian actor or actress playing a major role on television or the movies without hearing the criticism of "oh they're just being PC"? (Lucy Liu rocks as Watson on Elementary btw) When will it be allowed? 2020? When I have grandchildren? When?

We watch many shows cast entirely of Asians. The US isn't the only country that produces TV shows.

Of course there's a big world of media out there. Being that we happen to live in this heterogeneous country I didn't think I was asking for too much.

Netflix does have an extensive international collection that I'll introduce my daughter to. Right now subtitles are a bit hard for her to follow. But she was a huge fan of the 36th Chamber of Shaolin. Will expand her horizons as she gets older. There's a Filipino movie which was on Netflix which was really well done and serious in nature but man it was depressing as hell.

$iljanus wrote:

Jeff V wrote:

$iljanus wrote:How long must my daughter wait to see a Asian actor or actress playing a major role on television or the movies without hearing the criticism of "oh they're just being PC"? (Lucy Liu rocks as Watson on Elementary btw) When will it be allowed? 2020? When I have grandchildren? When?

We watch many shows cast entirely of Asians. The US isn't the only country that produces TV shows.

Of course there's a big world of media out there. Being that we happen to live in this heterogeneous country I didn't think I was asking for too much.

Netflix does have an extensive international collection that I'll introduce my daughter to. Right now subtitles are a bit hard for her to follow. But she was a huge fan of the 36th Chamber of Shaolin. Will expand her horizons as she gets older. There's a Filipino movie which was on Netflix which was really well done and serious in nature but man it was depressing as hell.

The thing is, as of the 2010 census, Asians were still only 4.7% of the population. Based on personal anecdotes, it seems to me many of these Asians still wrap themselves in their own culture here; they watch their own TV shows and their own movies. It would be interesting to see what percentage are second-gen or later, but it would be a subset of an already smallish-group that is sparsely represented in many non-urban centers of the country.

I wouldn't count on the US TV industry to explicitly set about trying to create an Asian TV star. More likely one will arise from a supporting role, or perhaps an international breakout star will be conscripted.

Which Filipino movie are you referring to? My wife subjects me to silly rom-coms all of the time, but I've seen some that were not. I tend to prefer Korean movies, but often everyone dies in the end. There's good stuff coming out of Japan, China, and even Thailand. Of course there is also Bollywood, but I haven't really developed an interest in Indian culture.

Daehawk wrote:Its delayed again. Why it may even start filming 'soon'ish.

Originally planned to premiere in January 2017, 'Star Trek Discovery' was delayed until May late last year, and now that date has slipped again. In an announcement today from CBS, the network has confirmed that the series will be "flexible on a launch date if it's best for the show", but that filming is finally set to kick off next week.

I guess what do we care. It comes out when it comes out.