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They're just grumpy because I haven't said anything lately. Probably why they were invoking my name.Anonymous Bosch wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:17 pmI thought the stories I posted pretty much spoke for themselves and are pertinent to the topic.
I was going to mention earlier that no belts were being looted either. That would have kept them happy for awhile. 
I don't think they do speak for themselves, or if they do, what they're saying is jumbled at best. LawBeef and I had pretty different takes on the story you posted about the letter. What do you think? Was there any value in it? If so, where?Anonymous Bosch wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:17 pmI thought the stories I posted pretty much spoke for themselves and are pertinent to the topic.
The difference between you and AB is that I wouldn't bother asking you for more of your thoughts.em2nought wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:32 pmThey're just grumpy because I haven't said anything lately. Probably why they were invoking my name.Anonymous Bosch wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:17 pmI thought the stories I posted pretty much spoke for themselves and are pertinent to the topic.
I thought it provided a useful, non-political perspective (i.e. in the sense that the politics of the property management president were not front and centre or even immediately apparent) from a cognizant professional that clearly reflects the reality of what it's like for the ordinary residents and workers forced to endure the consequences of such criminal conduct.
Yes, and that it's imperative to condemn it for what it is and avoid conflating blatant criminal conduct with legitimate, protected First Amendment protest and expression. As Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. put it in 1967: "Let me say, as I’ve always said, and I will always continue to say, that riots are socially destructive and self-defeating."
Or not.Anonymous Bosch wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:46 pmI thought it provided a useful, non-political perspective (i.e. in the sense that the politics of the property management president were not front and centre or even immediately apparent) from a cognizant professional that clearly reflects the reality of what it's like for the ordinary residents and workers forced to endure the consequences of such criminal conduct.
Maybe it's the Chicago in me showing, but that letter read very political to me. As I read it, I was thinking to myself that this guy was probably going to show up on a mayoral ballot next time around. I could be wrong, but something that calls out the mayor without providing any suggestions or offers of help and that cc's the media reads as very political to me. (To be clear, I don't know that he actually sent it directly to the media, but he surely knew it would get to the media.)Gino Generelli owns a condo at a Sudler-managed property in Edgewater and received the letter.
“It seems tone deaf,” he said. “You have looting at luxury shops, 100 people are arrested, and somehow that’s not enough?”
Generelli said Sudler never surveyed residents before representing its political sentiments as their own.
“I felt it was very unethical,” he said.
This is my shocked face.But we wanted to get a better idea from Sudler about the specifics of its concerns and what can really be done. The firm has not responded to our requests.
Sure, but I don't think anyone is confusing this round of looting referenced in the article with legitimate protests. It's been pretty well established, including previously in this thread, that this was coordinated looting using a police-involved shooting as a pretext. Your point is worthy of discussion, and one can condemn the looting associated with the legitimate protests back in June while also understanding how and why some might see them as justified or at least inevitable. It seems misplaced in this instance, however.Anonymous Bosch wrote:Yes, and that it's imperative to condemn it for what it is and avoid conflating blatant criminal conduct with legitimate, protected First Amendment protest and expression. As Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. put it in 1967: "Let me say, as I’ve always said, and I will always continue to say, that riots are socially destructive and self-defeating."
Wow, two Chicagoans disagreed with the letter!? This is my shocked face.chicago.cbslocal.com wrote:CHICAGO (CBS) — A strongly-worded letter to Mayor Lori Lightfoot claims to represent the fear of tens of thousands of Chicago high-rise residents following the looting this past weekend.
But does it really speak for all of them? And does it ignore the struggles of Chicagoans who have lived with these fears for years?
As CBS 2’s Vince Gerasole reported Thursday, two Chicagoans said the answers to those questions is no.
Right. So we have a letter from one Chicagoan (claiming to represent various others, but apparently doing so without actually consulting them) vs. the two were quoted for the article.Anonymous Bosch wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:04 pm Quoting from your linked article:
Wow, two Chicagoans disagreed with the letter!? This is my shocked face.chicago.cbslocal.com wrote:CHICAGO (CBS) — A strongly-worded letter to Mayor Lori Lightfoot claims to represent the fear of tens of thousands of Chicago high-rise residents following the looting this past weekend.
But does it really speak for all of them? And does it ignore the struggles of Chicagoans who have lived with these fears for years?
As CBS 2’s Vince Gerasole reported Thursday, two Chicagoans said the answers to those questions is no.
Of course it's political. They want to promote the agenda that will best preserve their clients' real estate values. People flee the city and their management revenue dries up. Rents decline.ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:55 pm
Maybe it's the Chicago in me showing, but that letter read very political to me. As I read it, I was thinking to myself that this guy was probably going to show up on a mayoral ballot next time around. I could be wrong, but something that calls out the mayor without providing any suggestions or offers of help and that cc's the media reads as very political to me. (To be clear, I don't know that he actually sent it directly to the media, but he surely knew it would get to the media.)
True that being political doesn't necessarily make it worthless. It's the political nature of it combined with the complete lack of solutions, suggestions, or even offers of help that make it worthless.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:16 pmOf course it's political. They want to promote the agenda that will best preserve their clients' real estate values. People flee the city and their management revenue dries up. Rents decline.ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:55 pm
Maybe it's the Chicago in me showing, but that letter read very political to me. As I read it, I was thinking to myself that this guy was probably going to show up on a mayoral ballot next time around. I could be wrong, but something that calls out the mayor without providing any suggestions or offers of help and that cc's the media reads as very political to me. (To be clear, I don't know that he actually sent it directly to the media, but he surely knew it would get to the media.)
I don't see it as signaling political ambitions but I didn't read the actual letter, just the article.
Being political doesn't necessarily make it worthless. And the criticisms floated are exactly what I hear daily in the neighborhood.
Thousands of exhausted cops on multiple straight 12 hour shifts. Hope Bobby Rush is stocked up on popcorn.CHICAGO (WLS) -- After pervasive looting earlier this week, Chicago police plan to flood downtown with 1,000 officers this weekend to prevent more violence.
Mayor Lori Lightfoot held a news conference at noon near Ohio Street Beach, where she announced new steps to protect Chicago businesses and neighborhoods.
Chicago Police Superintendent David Brown, 42nd Ward Alderman Brendan Reilly, Cook County State's Attorney Kim Foxx and other officials joined her.
Lightfoot said city leadership is united in its effort to stop future looting and outlined five strategies to do so, including the enhanced use of technology and data analytics and implementation of a Social Media Task Force.
It's a call for action, not an action plan. A common tactic for open letters.
And there's the crux of the issue right there. You've got a big show of police force. Does that satisfy Levy? It could help reduce crime, but it could also lead to an increased risk of violence as cops and protestors or looters (I'm making a distinction here, because a big show of police is likely to draw out some protestors) are likely to have conflict. Plus, as you note, the police will likely be exhausted, which won't help to calm the situation. The social media task force might actually be helpful here, as it seems that some of the coordination of the looting is done on social media. I hope it works.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:24 pm Oh, and:
Thousands of exhausted cops on multiple straight 12 hour shifts. Hope Bobby Rush is stocked up on popcorn.CHICAGO (WLS) -- After pervasive looting earlier this week, Chicago police plan to flood downtown with 1,000 officers this weekend to prevent more violence.
Mayor Lori Lightfoot held a news conference at noon near Ohio Street Beach, where she announced new steps to protect Chicago businesses and neighborhoods.
Chicago Police Superintendent David Brown, 42nd Ward Alderman Brendan Reilly, Cook County State's Attorney Kim Foxx and other officials joined her.
Lightfoot said city leadership is united in its effort to stop future looting and outlined five strategies to do so, including the enhanced use of technology and data analytics and implementation of a Social Media Task Force.
Surprised that Reilly and Foxx were up there.
Being a common tactic doesn't mean it has any value. I personally doubt that Levy's letter has much to do with this show of force, but if it did, I'll dial back my complaints a bit.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:28 pmIt's a call for action, not an action plan. A common tactic for open letters.
Time will tell. Because if the sentiments echoed in the letter are accurate, those with the means to do so will likely relocate for the reasons elucidated in this Forbes column:
…which any property manager worth their salt certainly ought to be concerned about.Forbes.com wrote:In the past, you were limited to the big cities for your career. Now, there are more options for people who feel betrayed and victimized. Over the last decade, many companies moved out of expensive locations, like New York, to places such as North Carolina, Texas and Florida. They were able to realize substantial savings in rent and taxes. Companies could pay these people considerably less than they would a worker residing in a high-cost city.
Within the last month, prominent business leaders, including Twitter and Square CEO Jack Dorsey and Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, offered their employees the option of working from home “forever”—or at least for the foreseeable future. A large number of CEOs followed suit and offered this opportunity as well.
The work-from-home movement untethered people who’ve been confined to a place that only offers a reasonable commute to work. As employees are able to work remotely, they can now live wherever they’d like.
Many people took flight to places that offered more affordable housing, lower taxes, better weather, shorter commutes and a better overall quality of life. About 5% of New York City's population, representing about 420,000 people, already moved out of Manhattan during the Covid-19 pandemic.
It's highly likely that people will start moving out of the big cities. Watching the footage of the aftermath of the carnage created in Minneapolis is both heartbreaking and frightening. Companies will consider relocating their office buildings into the suburbs. It will be seen as too dangerous to remain.
With businesses financially hurting from the government-mandated shutdowns, exacerbated by the rioting that will keep retail business closed longer or completely drive them out of business, cities will see a substantial shortfall of tax revenue. With less money coming into the coffers, the cities will be forced to layoff police officers, firemen and teachers. This will further degrade the lives of people living there.
Taxes will be raised significantly on its already-overburdened residents to compensate for the loss of business taxes. With higher personal taxes, expensive apartments, the lack of safety and the fear of a resurgence of Covid-19, people will flee the cities to locations deemed more secure with a better quality of life. Those who are left behind will find themselves living in grimy, crime-infested places, plagued with virus outbreaks and violence.
This will push even more people to leave, creating a downward spiral for the viability and habitation of the cities and increase the populations of states that offer a higher quality of life.
Did you read the letter? It was very sternly worded. What else can they do?
.The Chicago Police Department has effectively banned protesters from demonstrating on Mayor Lori Lightfoot’s block in the Logan Square neighborhood, ordering officers to arrest anyone who refuses to leave, the Tribune has learned.
The directive surfaced in a July email from then-Shakespeare District Commander Melvin Roman to officers under his command. It did not distinguish between the peaceful protesters Lightfoot regularly says she supports and those who might intend to be destructive, but ordered that after a warning is given to demonstrators, “It should be locked down.”
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Some neighbors in the Logan Square area have complained about the city’s approach to protests around Lightfoot’s house, which at times has included checking residents’ IDs before letting them close. Ron Kaminecki, a 69-year old patent attorney and bike shop owner who lives on Bernard Street a few houses from Lightfoot, said some neighbors have been frustrated by the police presence and barricades
I think we're past that specific discussion.ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:05 am In case it wasn't clear, I'm not supporting or defending Lightfoot's personal security plans. My comments on them were only meant to pertain to whether or not the ability to isolate a single home (or perhaps a block) had any relevance to whether they could feasibly block off the hundreds of Sudler managed properties scattered throughout the city. (Answer: no relevance.)
Moreno still living the dream.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 9:28 am Proco Joe in custody. . If it's for the false report, let's see if he gets the Smolett treatment.
Outgoing Ald. Proco “Joe” Moreno was taken into police custody Tuesday evening on an arrest warrant, according to Chicago police.
The 1st Ward alderman has been investigated twice in the past year, most recently in February for a possible false police report.
It was just down the street from JB Pritzker's house.Former Ald. Proco “Joe” Moreno was charged with DUI and reckless driving after his Audi rammed and sideswiped at least eight cars along four blocks of a street in the Gold Coast before smashing into a tree Sunday night.
Moreno, 48, was taken to Northwestern Memorial Hospital in good condition after the string of crashes around 9:30 p.m. in the 1200, 1300 and 1500 blocks of North Astor Street, according to police. The charges, all misdemeanors, were filed against him after he was released, according to Chicago police
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A police report indicated Moreno’s blood alcohol level was 0.32%, or four times the legal limit. Neither Moreno nor his attorney could immediately be reached for comment.
Moreno is still fighting charges of insurance fraud and obstruction of justice from an incident in early 2019 when prosecutors say Moreno falsely claimed his 2016 Audi A6 had been stolen from his garage. Moreno allegedly had turned the car and its keys over willingly only hours earlier to a woman he had ["]dated.["]
Guilty on 5 of 6 counts. I think all "disorderly conduct" for lying to CPD.Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:04 am Fox Chicago
[F]ormer “Empire” actor Jussie Smollett was indicted Tuesday in Chicago by special prosecutor Dan Webb
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He is indicted on six counts, accused of lying to Chicago police when he reported the attack last year, special prosecutor Webb said. Smollett faces six counts of disorderly conduct.
His attorney declared Smollett’s innocence again Thursday after the jury found him guilty on five of six counts of disorderly conduct for lying to police. Nenye Uche said Smollett would appeal the conviction, and is “100% confident” his name will be cleared by an appellate court.
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Disorderly conduct is a class 4 felony that carries a prison sentence of up to three years, but experts have said if convicted, Smollett would likely be placed on probation and ordered to perform community service.
CHICAGO — A Cook County judge this week was caught on a YouTube livestream mocking an attorney who had appeared before him for arguments earlier in the day.
“Can you imagine waking up next to her every day? Oh, my God,” Judge William Raines said of attorney Jennifer Bonjean. “... I couldn’t have a visual on that if you paid me.”
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In response to Raines’ comments about waking up next to Bonjean, Bucaro said “There would be a number of things wrong with my life if I was waking up next to her.”
Bucaro later noted the youthful appearance of one of Bonjean’s colleagues, saying he looked like a “13-year-old boy.”
“That’s her man-child,” Raines said.
After some unrelated chatting, Raines apparently noticed that the conversation was still being broadcast in real time.
“Ooh, wait,” he said. “Meeting is streaming live on YouTube? What’s up with this?”
After that, the video cuts off.
Jussie Smollett was sentenced Thursday to 30 months of felony probation, ordered to pay restitution of more than $120,000 and a $25,000 fine and spend 150 days in jail for making false reports to police that he was the victim of a hate crime in January 2019.
After the judge announced his sentence, Smollett lowered his face mask and said he was innocent. "Your honor, I respect you and I respect the jury, but I did not do this," the actor told the judge, before turning to the court. "And I am not suicidal. And if anything happens to me when I go in there, I did not do it to myself. And you must all know that."
Just before he was taken into custody, the actor yelled again that he was innocent and raised a fist in the air.
Cook County Judge James Linn spoke for more than 30 minutes before announcing Smollett's sentence, telling the actor that he wrote the script and picked the actors for the hoax, and that his premeditation for the act was an "aggravating factor" in the case.
An armed robber ambushed a man during a hold-up in Lincoln Park early Friday — then shot the victim twice.
And, after ordering him to give up his phone password, he shot the man again in the head as the victim writhed in pain on the street. Chicago police said the victim is critically wounded.
It happened at the corner of Wayne and Webster avenues around 3:05 a.m.
