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ThisRip wrote:No reason to stop.
His tweets have been tremendously effective at distracting his detractors so they don't have time to find anything that may actually damage him.
It's like a WH press briefing in short quips and he doesn't even have to bother with ignoring questions.
OK, fine. But at some point, someone has to actually be the adult in the room and tell him to stop with the childish bullshit. Right?Rip wrote:No reason to stop.
His tweets have been tremendously effective at distracting his detractors so they don't have time to find anything that may actually damage him.
It's like a WH press briefing in short quips and he doesn't even have to bother with ignoring questions.
Actually, it's more like Amy's Baking Co than anything that belongs in the White House.Rip wrote:It's like a WH press briefing in short quips and he doesn't even have to bother with ignoring questions.
Not sure. I guess that might happen if moveon.org ever actually does.Skinypupy wrote:OK, fine. But at some point, someone has to actually be the adult in the room and tell him to stop with the childish bullshit. Right?Rip wrote:No reason to stop.
His tweets have been tremendously effective at distracting his detractors so they don't have time to find anything that may actually damage him.
It's like a WH press briefing in short quips and he doesn't even have to bother with ignoring questions.
Or are you just expecting him to continue to be the uber-troll, even as leader of the free world?
Remember when Trump won? Yea, neither does moveon.org.hepcat wrote:Remember when moveon.org ran for office?
...yeah, neither do I.
Another patented "Hey, look over there!" rebuttal from the great Rip!Rip wrote:Remember when Trump won? Yea, neither does moveon.org.hepcat wrote:Remember when moveon.org ran for office?
...yeah, neither do I.
You don't find his "fireside tweets" charming? Well too bad because 'murica! loves it.Skinypupy wrote:OK, fine. But at some point, someone has to actually be the adult in the room and tell him to stop with the childish bullshit. Right?Rip wrote:No reason to stop.
His tweets have been tremendously effective at distracting his detractors so they don't have time to find anything that may actually damage him.
It's like a WH press briefing in short quips and he doesn't even have to bother with ignoring questions.
Or are you just expecting him to continue to be the uber-troll, even as leader of the free world?
This is what Rip stated he WANTED since the beginning -- to watch America burn in a Dumpster fire and roast marshmallows. Because lulz, SJW and Hillary GODDAMN Clinton.Skinypupy wrote:Or are you just expecting him to continue to be the uber-troll, even as leader of the free world?
I never said I wanted it to burn in a dumpster fire. That is just what you guys call Trump winning. I think his presidency will be fine and all of the predicted apocalypse will fall short leaving the left with the credibility gap they deserve.Zarathud wrote:This is what Rip stated he WANTED since the beginning -- to watch America burn in a Dumpster fire and roast marshmallows. Because lulz, SJW and Hillary GODDAMN Clinton.Skinypupy wrote:Or are you just expecting him to continue to be the uber-troll, even as leader of the free world?
Of course if you're wrong you can just look in the mirror and go "I'm the right color, so I'm good".Rip wrote:I never said I wanted it to burn in a dumpster fire. That is just what you guys call Trump winning. I think his presidency will be fine and all of the predicted apocalypse will fall short leaving the left with the credibility gap they deserve.Zarathud wrote:This is what Rip stated he WANTED since the beginning -- to watch America burn in a Dumpster fire and roast marshmallows. Because lulz, SJW and Hillary GODDAMN Clinton.Skinypupy wrote:Or are you just expecting him to continue to be the uber-troll, even as leader of the free world?
You can only warn people that tomorrow is the end of the world so long before they start ignoring you.
I'm pretty sure everyone got the racial note in his statement.Dog-whistle politics is political messaging employing coded language that appears to mean one thing to the general population but has an additional, different or more specific resonance for a targeted subgroup.
Which is accurate. To most of the world it is someone who is a white supremacist, for the targeted subgroup (globalists) in this case it means they don't support the Globalist World Order.Isgrimnur wrote:That's not what dog whistle means.
I'm pretty sure everyone got the racial note in his statement.Dog-whistle politics is political messaging employing coded language that appears to mean one thing to the general population but has an additional, different or more specific resonance for a targeted subgroup.
But not before they elect you president.Rip wrote:You can only warn people that tomorrow is the end of the world so long before they start ignoring you.
You forgot the Illuminati.Rip wrote:Which is accurate. To most of the world it is someone who is a white supremacist, for the targeted subgroup (globalists) in this case it means they don't support the Globalist World Order.Isgrimnur wrote:That's not what dog whistle means.
I'm pretty sure everyone got the racial note in his statement.Dog-whistle politics is political messaging employing coded language that appears to mean one thing to the general population but has an additional, different or more specific resonance for a targeted subgroup.
Who is doing that? I only see people calling others racist because THEY SAY RACIST THINGS! Or is it a case of how dare we use someone's own words against them?Rip wrote:The problems/issues aren't dog whistles. Calling people a racist if they don't bend to your agenda desires is the dog whistle.
Agreed. The corporations and oligarchs are already globalists, as they age and the younger generations move in it will be interesting to see if the old cold war lines maintain or if leaders who never knew the Berlin Wall or the south east asian wars, or the domino effect will continue in the same veins.gameoverman wrote:I think I may be a globalist. I feel like it's obvious, with today's incredibly interconnected world, that nationalism is on the way out. Going forward, things like what country you're from or are in will be irrelevant. Looking back on human history it looks like we've been moving this way for a long time now.
In a world where the people in one nation may never visit another nation, or see a foreigner, except those on your border, nationalism made sense. Now? People, money, goods, and information all flow freely all around the world. This is only going to increase and become even more common.
So I suspect 'globalist' is the new 'communist'. Who calls people communists anymore? We need a new boogeyman and it looks like globalist will be it. Trump's ultimate legacy may be related to globalism in some way. Perhaps he'll be known for leading the last, futile struggle against the tide of globalism.
Following much news lately? Ask the EU how that's all working out. For better or for worse, nationalism is on the rise, and it certainly doesn't look like it is going away any time soon.gameoverman wrote:I think I may be a globalist. I feel like it's obvious, with today's incredibly interconnected world, that nationalism is on the way out.
We may be going globalist eventually, but I think we're still a ways off from seeing it as you've described it. Even in a wealthy country like the US, you've got a ton of people who are not going to cross international borders (except maybe Niagara Falls or Tijuana). I work for a very international company, and I work with a lot of people in different countries, and cultural differences are still large and important (maybe not as much as 50 years ago, but still significant).gameoverman wrote:I think I may be a globalist. I feel like it's obvious, with today's incredibly interconnected world, that nationalism is on the way out. Going forward, things like what country you're from or are in will be irrelevant. Looking back on human history it looks like we've been moving this way for a long time now.
In a world where the people in one nation may never visit another nation, or see a foreigner, except those on your border, nationalism made sense. Now? People, money, goods, and information all flow freely all around the world. This is only going to increase and become even more common.
So I suspect 'globalist' is the new 'communist'. Who calls people communists anymore? We need a new boogeyman and it looks like globalist will be it. Trump's ultimate legacy may be related to globalism in some way. Perhaps he'll be known for leading the last, futile struggle against the tide of globalism.
Translation: What's good for Ford is good for America.Skinypupy wrote:Trump: We will impose huge tariffs on imported goods so production comes back to the US!
Ford CEO: Yeah, about that...
Ford Motor Co. CEO Mark Fields said the Trump administration’s potential 35 percent tariff on vehicles imported from Mexico could have a “huge impact” on the U.S. economy, but the automaker has no plans to change its investments in Mexico.
“A tariff like that would be imposed on the entire auto sector, and that could have a huge impact on the U.S. economy,” Fields said today following his keynote address at the Los Angeles auto show. “I continue to be convinced that the right policies will prevail. I think we all share the same objective, which is a healthy and vibrant U.S. economy.
President-elect Donald Trump has attacked Ford repeatedly for moving some production south of the border, vowing to impose a tariff that would force the automaker to bring jobs back to the U.S. Fields said the automaker still plans to move Ford Focus production to a $1.6 billion plant being built in Mexico and replace that with two vehicles at the company’s Michigan Assembly Plant.”
I pay nearly $60/mo ($720/yr) to have the Boston Globe land somewhere near my yard every morning, more or less. I can ill afford that, but is it worth it? Not objectively. Coupons recoup $25/mo and Wife gets her daily crossword, so there's that. And I get an hour's worth of information and entertainment out if it every morning. But mostly I'm supporting old-school journalism because I'm an old guy.Ralph-Wiggum wrote:That John Oliver show convinced me that I need to do more to support the causes I think will be under fire in a Trump presidency. So yesterday I donated for the first time to the ACLU and Planned Parenthood (not using Mike Pence's name, unfortunately). I also looked into getting a New York Times subscription, but just the Sunday Times costs $460/year!As an educator(ish), I can actually get a discount to make it "only" $250/year. But still, holy crap.
If American burns it's probably easier to avoid those taxes.Zarathud wrote:This is what Rip stated he WANTED since the beginning -- to watch America burn in a Dumpster fire and roast marshmallows. Because lulz, SJW and Hillary GODDAMN Clinton.Skinypupy wrote:Or are you just expecting him to continue to be the uber-troll, even as leader of the free world?
In my view this is more like growing pains. The globalist push has already happened, the world order has been shaken. This is why much of the country is unhappy and looking at the remnants of industries that have disappeared. The industries haven't really disappeared, they've just disappeared from this country.ImLawBoy wrote:I guess my read on your take is that it sounds akin to those takes about a changing America that won't accept backward thinking like Trump's. Turns out that wasn't quite right.
In a world where more and more countries contain ethnically mixed populations, it's probably more accurate to say that nativism, not nationalism, is on the rise. Modern nations are becoming (once again) the exclusive tools of their dominant ethnic groups to the detriment of their minorities. It's a reversion to the nineteenth century and the third world.Grifman wrote:Following much news lately? Ask the EU how that's all working out. For better or for worse, nationalism is on the rise, and it certainly doesn't look like it is going away any time soon.gameoverman wrote:I think I may be a globalist. I feel like it's obvious, with today's incredibly interconnected world, that nationalism is on the way out.
Alefroth wrote:But not before they elect you president.Rip wrote:You can only warn people that tomorrow is the end of the world so long before they start ignoring you.
I saw that this morning but haven't actually heard a Trump surrogate actually saying it yet and hope it isn't true because it is so batshit. Japanese internment was *at least I thought in normal world* a shameful idea that we theoretically regretted as a nation. In other words, an anti-precedent for what is proper and righteous.Defiant wrote:
Indeed. St. Reagan even paid reparations.malchior wrote:I saw that this morning but haven't actually heard a Trump surrogate actually saying it yet and hope it isn't true because it is so batshit. Japanese internment was *at least I thought in normal world* a shameful idea that we theoretically regretted as a nation. In other words, an anti-precedent for what is proper and righteous.Defiant wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... acks-down/The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has backed away from its earlier accusations against Stephen K. Bannon, stating on its website: “We are not aware of any anti-Semitic statements from Bannon.”
The statement appears at the end of an article on the ADL, “Stephen Bannon: Five Things to Know.”
The “five things” are:
Bannon has embraced the alt right, a loose network of white nationalists and anti-Semites.
Under Bannon, Breitbart published inflammatory pieces about women, Muslims, and other groups.
Bannon is a critic of the Republican establishment and the left.
Bannon has held a number of positions in his career.
We are not aware of any anti-Semitic statements from Bannon.
The first two claims are false. The next two claims are true, and innocuous. The final claim is exculpatory.
The ADL further explains:
While there is a long fact pattern of evidence that Breitbart served as a platform for a wide range of bigotry and there is some controversy related to statements from Mr. Bannon’s divorce proceedings in 2007, we are not aware of any anti-Semitic statements made by Bannon himself. In fact, Jewish employees of Breitbart have challenged the characterization of him and defended him from charges of anti-Semitism. Some have pointed out that Breitbart Jerusalem was launched during his tenure.
Nevertheless, Bannon essentially has established himself as the chief curator for the alt right. Under his stewardship, Breitbart has emerged as the leading source for the extreme views of a vocal minority who peddle bigotry and promote hate.
The statement that “Breitbart served as a platform for a wide range of bigotry” is completely false, and reflects the ADL’s left-wing ideological orientation rather than objective reality. The statement that Bannon is “the chief curator for the alt right” is also completely false, and defamatory.
The ADL, which calls itself “the nation’s premier civil rights/human relations agency,” launched a defamatory campaign on Sunday against Breitbart News and Bannon, the company’s Executive Chairman, when Bannon was named Chief Strategist and Senior Counselor by President-elect Donald J. Trump. (Bannon has been on leave from Breitbart since his appointment in August as CEO of the Trump presidential campaign.)
In a statement noting that the ADL “strongly opposes” Bannon’s new White House appointment, ADL president Jonathan Greenblatt — a former aide to President Barack Obama — called Bannon “a man who presided over the premier website of the Alt Right, a loose-knit group of white nationalists and unabashed anti-Semites and racists.”
That is a completely false accusation.
Breitbart.com is not “the premier website of the Alt Right.” The only supposed “alt-right” content on the site, among tens of thousands of articles, is one widely-cited journalistic article, “An Establishment Conservative’s Guide to the Alt-Right.”
As one author more familiar with the alt-right noted recently, the main alt-right sites are “/r/altright, Stormfront, and 4chan’s politics board” — not Breitbart News.
Given the wide international interest in the presidential election, and the evident popularity of Trump among some portions of the alt-right (and unpopularity on the far-left), Breitbart has attracted wider attention beyond the company’s core audience of center-right and conservative readers.
But Breitbart is not an alt-right publication, and the daily news content of the website speaks for itself. Moreover, there are no “white nationalists and unabashed anti-Semites and racists” working at, or published by, Breitbart.
On Wednesday morning, nationally syndicated talk show host Dennis Prager — who has written a widely-respected book on antisemitism — called the accusations against Bannon “libel” and said that the ADL had damaged itself with the false claims.
