That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
http://garbi.online/forum/
Cotton has already claimed Hunter couldn't plead the 5th any more.Max Peck wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:05 pm I wouldn't count on this pardon doing anything to protect him after Jan 20. It wouldn't surprise me to see the DoJ/FBI trump up some new charges against him and railroad him straight into a supermax. It isn't like anyone will stop them, certainly not the Trump Supreme Court.
They care about optics?Alefroth wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:42 pmThey wouldn't want the optics of jailing a president's son, would they?Max Peck wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:05 pm I wouldn't count on this pardon doing anything to protect him after Jan 20. It wouldn't surprise me to see the DoJ/FBI trump up some new charges against him and railroad him straight into a supermax. It isn't like anyone will stop them, certainly not the Trump Supreme Court.
They do not.LawBeefaroni wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:50 pmThey care about optics?Alefroth wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:42 pmThey wouldn't want the optics of jailing a president's son, would they?Max Peck wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:05 pm I wouldn't count on this pardon doing anything to protect him after Jan 20. It wouldn't surprise me to see the DoJ/FBI trump up some new charges against him and railroad him straight into a supermax. It isn't like anyone will stop them, certainly not the Trump Supreme Court.
Have you met the MAGA base? They'll insist on it.Alefroth wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:42 pmThey wouldn't want the optics of jailing a president's son, would they?Max Peck wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:05 pm I wouldn't count on this pardon doing anything to protect him after Jan 20. It wouldn't surprise me to see the DoJ/FBI trump up some new charges against him and railroad him straight into a supermax. It isn't like anyone will stop them, certainly not the Trump Supreme Court.
That is true - you legally cannot have a reasonable fear of criminal prosecution (required to assert the 5th amendment) regarding conduct for which you have a full pardon (and so can't be criminally prosecuted). That is more about a fantasy prosecution of Joe Biden, though, not about going after Hunter.Alefroth wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:43 pmCotton has already claimed Hunter couldn't plead the 5th any more.Max Peck wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:05 pm I wouldn't count on this pardon doing anything to protect him after Jan 20. It wouldn't surprise me to see the DoJ/FBI trump up some new charges against him and railroad him straight into a supermax. It isn't like anyone will stop them, certainly not the Trump Supreme Court.
That is correct.
wsj.com wrote:Ordinary Americans are held accountable when they defraud the IRS. Not the president’s son.
The White House’s story on Hunter Biden keeps changing. The president supposedly had no knowledge of his son’s business, then no involvement in it, then no financial benefit from it. The goal posts moved as more facts came to light. Before the election, Joe Biden promised he would respect the legal process and issue no pardon or commutation to his son. This week he went much further than pre-emptively commuting any sentence to keep his son from prison. He issued a broad pardon for any and all crimes over a nearly 11-year period.
He gave his son the sweeping immunity to which career prosecutors refused to agree as part of an aborted plea deal. When that deal collapsed in July 2023, Attorney General Merrick Garland appointed a special counsel. Despite his testimony to Congress in March 2023 that Delaware U.S. Attorney David Weiss had full authority over the matter, Mr. Garland granted special charging authority to Mr. Weiss.
These dizzying narrative shifts happened because the two of us blew the whistle and exposed the preferential treatment the Biden Justice Department gave to a powerful political family. Our story never changed—because we told the truth.
President Biden’s pardon is an insult to every honest taxpaying American. He claimed that his own Justice Department unfairly targeted his son. On the contrary, we produced mountains of evidence and testified under oath about the machinations his Justice Department, including Mr. Weiss, used to shield the Biden family from a thorough investigation of alleged corruption in Ukraine, Romania and China.
This year, a jury found Hunter Biden guilty of federal gun charges in Delaware and he pleaded guilty to willful tax felonies in California. The president’s letter falsely suggests that his son was merely late in filing and paying his taxes because of serious addictions. He wrote that in such cases, when back taxes are paid with penalties and interest, they are often resolved without criminal penalties, but his son was treated differently. That’s malarkey.
The American people need to know, and the president’s letter omits, that Hunter Biden admitted to intentional felony tax evasion—criminal charges for which ordinary Americans are held accountable every day. Hunter Biden admitted that he filed false tax returns with the Internal Revenue Service—knowingly and willfully, while sober. False deductions taken on his tax return contradicted statements he made in his memoir, which he wrote while sober. These false deductions included things like a sex-club membership, luxury vehicle rentals, and house rentals for his then-girlfriend.
Ordinary Americans are routinely held accountable for that kind of tax fraud, but Hunter Biden will escape accountability because his father is president.
Joe Biden’s letter doesn’t mention that his broad pardon also absolves his son of any other crime in the past decade that the Justice Department didn’t fully investigate. In a public filing in August, special counsel Weiss’s office alleged that Hunter Biden “agreed to attempt to influence U.S. public policy” on behalf of a Romanian businessman but didn’t charge Mr. Biden with a violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act.
The dishonesty that has infected the Washington political class must stop, and the bureaucrats in the Justice Department and IRS who have abused their power and acted unethically ought to be held accountable.
The constant retaliation against us as whistleblowers should cease, and those responsible should be held to account. Nonprofit efforts such as DefendWhistleblowers.com are helping. Without serious reform and major changes in personnel and policy, something like this will happen again. We will keep our oaths as sworn federal law-enforcement officers, stand up for fair and equal treatment of every taxpayer, and speak out against improper politicization of the Justice Department.
Messrs. Ziegler and Shapley are IRS special agents.
The dishonesty that has infected the Washington political class must stop,
Righteous indignation over this pardon is going to seem fucking ridiculous after Trump's inauguration.
It's insane. The idea that Dr. Fauci would need a pardon? I can't even comprehend it, but yeah in this timeline it's probably necessary. Good to see the administration is taking very seriously what's about to happen.
Yeah Hunter got pardoned because the fucking Visigoths are at the gates and when they get in they're going to go on their revenge tour. So fuck off WSJ.Holman wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:47 pmRighteous indignation over this pardon is going to seem fucking ridiculous after Trump's inauguration.
I vaguely recall the Italians charging various scientists for failing to detect an earthquake. So. There's that.Smoove_B wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:01 pmIt's insane. The idea that Dr. Fauci would need a pardon? I can't even comprehend it, but yeah in this timeline it's probably necessary. Good to see the administration is taking very seriously what's about to happen.
The time for that was a month ago.Anonymous Bosch wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:07 pm The dishonesty that has infected the Washington political class must stop
The time for it is now moving forward. The time to scream it from the rooftops nonstop, every day until November 2024 at the very least and take heed of the warning was January 7th 2020. Raising the alarm against this outgoing administration, at this particular moment? Hard for me to brandish a pitchfork.Blackhawk wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:36 pmThe time for that was a month ago.Anonymous Bosch wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:07 pm The dishonesty that has infected the Washington political class must stop
I was referring more to the hypocrisy that in the right calling for an end to dishonesty in Washington right after electing Trump.LordMortis wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 7:44 amThe time for it is now moving forward.Blackhawk wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:36 pmThe time for that was a month ago.Anonymous Bosch wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:07 pm The dishonesty that has infected the Washington political class must stop
Not if doing so might compromise the future immunity of his own hive of scum and villainy. If trump lives to the end of his term he's going to have a very long list of criminal minions and lackeys.Alefroth wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 2:16 pm I have a feeling Trump will challenge or try to overturn the pardon.
They don't need, but I wouldn't put it past them.Max Peck wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:22 am They don't need to overturn the pardon, just trump up some new charges that the pardon doesn't cover.
Yeah, I don't put much faith in norms anymore.Kraken wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:06 am Overturning Hunter's pardon would require a SCOTUS ruling that would necessarily dilute the pardon power, which is effectively unlimited now. I think trump wants to keep it that way.
