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Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:59 pm
by Kraken
Keystone was always more about optics than substance. I'm surprised it took Obama this long to take a stand and a little bit surprised by the stand that he took: namely, that this is all about optics.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:12 pm
by Rip
Indeed it is. Not like Canada isn't going to pull that oil out and sell it. Only difference being that the path it takes now will have a larger risk and the U.S. will receive no benefit from its extraction.
So the optics are it is a plus for the environment whereas the reality is that it is a minus. Someone in the GOP should send him a thank you card.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:29 pm
by malchior
Rip wrote:Indeed it is. Not like Canada isn't going to pull that oil out and sell it. Only difference being that the path it takes now will have a larger risk and the U.S. will receive no benefit from its extraction.
They rejected their own pipeline at the polls - all they have left is rail which does not have enough throughput - so unless a pipeline appears that oil will stay in the ground...a little longer.
So the optics are it is a plus for the environment whereas the reality is that it is a minus. Someone in the GOP should send him a thank you card.
Huh? How is it a minus for the environment? No matter though honestly - this is another issue that no one will remember outside the fervent.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:42 pm
by Rip
If you think Keystone was necessary to extract you will find out otherwise. It will come out, just a matter of how it gets to where it will get refined. When not if.
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/for- ... e-xl-17543
In the U.S., the battle over Keystone XL is primarily about climate change-driving carbon emissions produced from burning tar sands crude.
In its environmental review of the pipeline project, however, the State Department said that the Keystone XL Pipeline will not have any significant effect on how much carbon is released into the atmosphere. The market pressure for the oil industry in Canada to extract the tar sands is too great, and that crude oil will be burned and the resulting carbon will be emitted into the atmosphere regardless if Keystone is built, according to the State Department.
The State Department’s analysis says that if Keystone XL is not built, the alternatives Canada will consider, including building new pipelines and rail lines within the country, will result in up to 42 percent more CO2 being emitted than if Keystone XL goes forward.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... ystone-xl/
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:41 pm
by Enough
My truth-detector rates Rip's thesis as only partially true. Tar sands are ridiculously expensive to work, they make fracking look downright cheap in comparison. There are other methods of getting the bitumen dilbit to market for sure, but nearly all of them are much more expensive than a pipeline (iirc rail is around $25/barrel to the Gulf Coast where Keystone would be like $9/barrel).
With the delay and now rejection of Keystone XL it has increased the cost of doing business in the tar sand sector. Add this to the falling prices of oil and it's a recipe for disaster for companies trying to make a profit off the very spendy tar sands. Just about every forecast I've seen for tar sands in the past year or so is showing a decisive decrease in the expected production and this is almost entirely due to the price of oil and the silly-expensive costs of mining/refining bitumen dilbit. Savvy oil investors are now looking elsewhere for more efficient operations more likely to turn an actual profit. Many tar sands projects are being delayed or flat-out canceled (for e.g.
around $60 billion in projects is being deferred which will lead to 650,000 fewer barrels per day in the next few years than previously expected). Just ask Suncor principles what they think about the current oil glut.
Now I will admit that this is only transitory, once prices spike investor interest will also increase. But that buys us time, and buys it for us when disruptive technological innovation on the horizon is one of the most profound forces in the market today. So one can at least hope in the interim that electric vehicles and other alternatives to gas-fueled transportation continue to grow market share and reduce the longer-term attractiveness of fully exploiting the tar sands. Already profits are being shrunk by a good 30% or much more depending on the producer, at this rate the tar sands will lose their shine for investors that want to generate choice quarterly returns. And without the investors there will be a lack of funds to continue the development of tar sands at the same pace imagined in rosier times. Statoil, Shell, Total, and SunCor are just some of the big players canceling or delaying projects worth billions and billions.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:45 pm
by Rip
Price surge also all but certain. Another matter of when. Once the Iran deal goes sideways a spike in oil prices is inevitable. Oil and Gas is a nowhere to go but up investment right now.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:51 pm
by Max Peck
malchior wrote:Rip wrote:Indeed it is. Not like Canada isn't going to pull that oil out and sell it. Only difference being that the path it takes now will have a larger risk and the U.S. will receive no benefit from its extraction.
They rejected their own pipeline at the polls - all they have left is rail which does not have enough throughput - so unless a pipeline appears that oil will stay in the ground...a little longer.
So the optics are it is a plus for the environment whereas the reality is that it is a minus. Someone in the GOP should send him a thank you card.
Huh? How is it a minus for the environment? No matter though honestly - this is another issue that no one will remember outside the fervent.
Whoa, whoa, whoa... Keystone XL wasn't an election issue here. In fact, our shiny new PM supports (well, supported) XL, but doesn't see it as a paramount "no-brainer" deal like Harper did. He'll accept the decision and move on to other more important business.
Also, bear in mind that Keystone XL was the fourth phase of the
Keystone pipeline project. The first three phases are complete and operational, while XL was intended to provide additional capacity and to follow a more direct route. As long as it is profitable to extract the oil from the tarsands, there will be black gold flowing south, just not as much as XL would have allowed.

Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:54 pm
by Kraken
malchior wrote:Rip wrote:Indeed it is. Not like Canada isn't going to pull that oil out and sell it. Only difference being that the path it takes now will have a larger risk and the U.S. will receive no benefit from its extraction.
They rejected their own pipeline at the polls - all they have left is rail which does not have enough throughput - so unless a pipeline appears that oil will stay in the ground...a little longer.
So the optics are it is a plus for the environment whereas the reality is that it is a minus. Someone in the GOP should send him a thank you card.
Huh? How is it a minus for the environment? No matter though honestly - this is another issue that no one will remember outside the fervent.
Transporting the oil by rail will use energy and pose a higher risk of spills -- assuming that it is extracted regardless of transportation considerations. Enough said enough about that. One hopes that international limits on carbon emissions will take effect before the tar sands become economical to exploit.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:59 pm
by Enough
Rip wrote:Price surge also all but certain. Another matter of when. Once the Iran deal goes sideways a spike in oil prices is inevitable. Oil and Gas is a nowhere to go but up investment right now.
That was implicit in my response. I'll still take the delays and the time that buys us to start moving on from oil. Oh and surely living where you do, you must know that there was about 0 chance that any significant bitumen dilbit was going to be refined on the Gulf Coast once it got there. Those refineries are not equipped to handle it (even the heavy sour crude refineries would need retooling and those are plenty busy with medium/heavy crude from off-shore thank you very much, heh) and the growing domestic demand is currently all about refining US tight/light shale oils from the fracking boom (with a very different set of requirements for refining).
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:01 pm
by Rip
Absolutely, and some of what would have gone through XL is now and will continue to make parts of the trip on rail or truck depending on price variations of course. The Tar Sands will get sucked dry, just a matter of how fast, safe, and efficiently.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:25 pm
by Enough
Sucked dry is never going to happen. That's basic economics. The only question is how long will it remain profitable to spend the immense amounts of capital required to suck anything useful out, but I promise the door will close long before there are no tar sands left to exploit. Do you really think we are going to mine the last ounce of gold on the planet, the last bit of coal, the last drop of oil? That's not how it works.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:41 pm
by Rip
Duh.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 10:09 pm
by Max Peck
One last Keystone XL post before I leave it to be swept into the dustbin of history. I had no idea that part of TransCanada Pipeline's strategy was to use eminent domain to force landowners to accept easements. It worked about as well as I would expect.
And now for some words from Neil Macdonald --
The dead parrot that was the Keystone XL pipeline and why Obama killed it
About six years ago, when nobody was talking about Keystone XL, I asked a Washington oil-and-gas lobbyist who was close to the Obama administration whether this pipeline was going to be a problem. "Nope," was the reply. "Just a question of going through the process." So thought we all, back then. And today, President Barack Obama finally put the fork in it. Not in America's national interest, he said.
So I called that lobbyist to ask what happened. Lobbyists can either talk boringly on the record or honestly off the record, so we went off the record. Here, more or less, was our conversation, with me helping explain a few things along the way:
"What happened was a lot of things. BP [the Deepwater Horizon oil-well rupture] happened. And for about a year, the Gulf of Mexico was on fire. And then the San Bruno fire happened [actually, a gas pipeline blew up in San Francisco with such force that bystanders said it sounded like a jet crash or an earthquake, and it scared the living daylights out of everybody and killed eight people]. And so oil and gas, which until that point was just evil, got more evil."
And then of course anti-Keystone protesters led by actress Darryl Hannah and Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. started chaining themselves to the White House gates and getting arrested.
"The environmentalists got really smart. They realized this wasn't Congress approving this, this was the president, and we can affect that. So they did. Until then, some environmentalists cared about carbon, some cared about mercury, some cared about sage grouse, some cared about snail darters. But they said let's rally on Keystone. And they did. It was their focal point. They raised a lot of money."
But, I asked, didn't Congress sort of generally support it? There are all sorts of pipelines in America, after all.
"Well, Waxman-Markey died. [Meaning the American Clean Energy and Security Act, which would have limited greenhouse gases and was passionately supported by just about every important environmental group in the U.S., except for the ones that thought it was too weak.] And Obama needed something. And so Keystone just became a complete symbol to environmentalists. It was just like how NAFTA [the North American Free Trade Agreement] became a symbol of anxiety about our jobs. A cultural symbol. Keystone became one of those symbols."
But aren't people in the Midwest, where Keystone was crossing, sort of pro-business?
"Well, TransCanada Pipeline [the owner of Keystone] did it the way they have always done it, pursuing the negotiations and the land acquisitions simultaneously. That was a mistake. The eminent domain stuff in Nebraska was seen as arrogant and pissed people off."
That was a reference to the American legal doctrine of eminent domain, which basically means overriding property rights in the public interest. The Canadian pipeline company traipsed around Nebraska, a fortress of rugged individualism, forcing landowners to accept easements. As Forbes magazine put it at the time, in discussing eminent domain: "It is debatable whether building Keystone aides the health or safety of America, or even our general interest." A Nebraska court essentially agreed, thwarting TCPL, but the political damage was done.
The lobbyist continued: "And then the Republicans in Congress tried to force Obama's hand [by passing legislation allowing Keystone to go ahead] and Obama basically said the answer is maybe, but if you're gonna force my hand, the answer is no."
Obama vetoed the legislation earlier this year.
And that, in short, is the Washington insider view of what happened to Keystone. It's a pretty realistic view.
What it leaves out, of course, is the aggressive, hectoring approach of Stephen Harper's government. Harper called Keystone's approval a "no brainer," which implies that anyone with a brain, like Obama, wouldn't say no. His ministers made it a singular focus of trips to Washington. And some of their arguments, at the time, did make logical, if not political, sense. But it was annoying. One Canada-U.S. relations expert said a couple of years ago that Obama administration people "ran for cover" when Canadian ministers arrived, knowing what they'd have to put up with.
In Ottawa, American ambassador Bruce Heyman was ignored. His initial meeting with then foreign minister John Baird was ugly and uncomfortable, and Heyman simply couldn't get in to see Harper. "I do talk to the premiers," he told me at a social gathering last summer. A Canadian prime minister freezing out an American ambassador just doesn't make sense, but such was the state of relations.
Anyway, it was all local American politics in the end, despite Obama's high-handed rhetoric today about leading the way and saving the planet and keeping Canada's "dirtier oil" out of America. (If any Canadian reporter used a term like that, there'd be an immediate call from one of the oilpatch PR people — the ones who transformed the name of the "tar sands" to the "oil sands.") "As long as I'm president of the United States," Obama intoned, "America will hold ourselves to the same high standard to which we hold the rest of the world."
Oh, please. Some of my neighbours when I lived in Washington had four or five cars, and nobody really took home insulation seriously. Energy taxes there are political poison. At least Obama had the honesty to point out that Keystone's promise of American jobs and lower gas prices is less alluring in 2015 than it once was: gasoline is under $2 US a gallon in several states, and America is at five per cent unemployment. Keystone, in other words, became yesterday's bagels. Or, in Monty Python terms, a dead parrot.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's response was what you'd expect: We're disappointed, but we nonetheless vow to work closely with the United States, etc., etc. Trudeau, like Obama, clearly sees himself as a planet-saver. But really, Keystone has been blue and cold and dead for years. Like the parrot. Everyone knew it. Hillary Clinton openly intended to kill it if Obama didn't.
And what was Canada supposed to say, anyway? That it's a "no-brainer"?
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 2:49 pm
by Moliere
How does your state rank for integrity?
How does each state rank for transparency and accountability? The State Integrity Investigation used extensive research to grade the states based on the laws and systems they have in place to deter corruption. Use the interactive to see how states scored overall and explore how they performed in each of the 13 categories.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:16 pm
by Rip
I will guess last or next to last before I look.......
edit: How on god's green earth could 9 states be worse?
Perhaps they are too uneducated to be more corrupt?
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:31 pm
by Kraken
It is a strange grading scale when the #1 state gets a grade of C.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:46 pm
by Max Peck
Kraken wrote:It is a strange grading scale when the #1 state gets a grade of C.
Do you really want the grade for integrity to be adjusted to fit a normal distribution? The problem isn't the grading scale...

Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:32 pm
by Defiant
The Jewish community of Sweden was not invited to an annual anti-Nazi event commemorating Kristallnacht due to a perceived security risk
Commemorating the Holocaust: You're doing it wrong
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:22 am
by Kraken
Max Peck wrote:Kraken wrote:It is a strange grading scale when the #1 state gets a grade of C.
Do you really want the grade for integrity to be adjusted to fit a normal distribution? The problem isn't the grading scale...

It's a spin. The Globe story focused on MA's abysmal D+ grade, OMG!...it wasn't until I read the link in this thread that I realized MA was #10. We're in the top quintile of a bad group!
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:16 am
by malchior
Max Peck wrote:Whoa, whoa, whoa... Keystone XL wasn't an election issue here. In fact, our shiny new PM supports (well, supported) XL, but doesn't see it as a paramount "no-brainer" deal like Harper did. He'll accept the decision and move on to other more important business.
I was referring to the Northern Gateway pipeline - I recollected it wrong though. I forgot that vote was a local/non-binding vote (just looked it up to refresh my memory). Either way - there is at least a decent amount of local resistance to a pipeline there though I'm sure pressure is increasing now due to the Keystone decision.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:30 am
by Moliere
The New Intolerance of Student Activism
Erika Christakis reflected on the frustrations of the students, drew on her scholarship and career experience, and composed an email inviting the community to think about the controversy through an intellectual lens that few if any had considered. Her message was a model of relevant, thoughtful, civil engagement.
For her trouble, a faction of students are now trying to get the couple removed from their residential positions, which is to say, censured and ousted from their home on campus. Hundreds of Yale students are attacking them, some with hateful insults, shouted epithets, and a campaign of public shaming. In doing so, they have shown an illiberal streak that flows from flaws in their well-intentioned ideology.
Those who purport to speak for marginalized students at elite colleges sometimes expose serious shortcomings in the way that their black, brown, or Asian classmates are treated, and would expose flaws in the way that religious students and ideological conservatives are treated too if they cared to speak up for those groups. I’ve known many Californians who found it hard to adjust to life in the Ivy League, where a faction of highly privileged kids acculturated at elite prep schools still set the tone of a decidedly East Coast culture. All else being equal, outsiders who also feel like racial or ethnic “others” typically walk the roughest road of all.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:44 pm
by geezer
Moliere wrote:The New Intolerance of Student Activism
Erika Christakis reflected on the frustrations of the students, drew on her scholarship and career experience, and composed an email inviting the community to think about the controversy through an intellectual lens that few if any had considered. Her message was a model of relevant, thoughtful, civil engagement.
For her trouble, a faction of students are now trying to get the couple removed from their residential positions, which is to say, censured and ousted from their home on campus. Hundreds of Yale students are attacking them, some with hateful insults, shouted epithets, and a campaign of public shaming. In doing so, they have shown an illiberal streak that flows from flaws in their well-intentioned ideology.
Those who purport to speak for marginalized students at elite colleges sometimes expose serious shortcomings in the way that their black, brown, or Asian classmates are treated, and would expose flaws in the way that religious students and ideological conservatives are treated too if they cared to speak up for those groups. I’ve known many Californians who found it hard to adjust to life in the Ivy League, where a faction of highly privileged kids acculturated at elite prep schools still set the tone of a decidedly East Coast culture. All else being equal, outsiders who also feel like racial or ethnic “others” typically walk the roughest road of all.
This seems to be a pet topic of sorts with
The Atlantic . I largely agree with their POV on the matter, but for a center-left publication to be taking such a hard stand on this specific issue is pretty interesting. (I believe that
Reason - certainly NOT a center-left publication - has also made some arguments along the same lines which I have appreciated for their rationality and lack of reactionary language.) That said, hopefully seeing this criticism coming from nominally within will give some of the more moderate voices a bit of courage.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:54 pm
by LawBeefaroni
They're getting excoriated for
this email? Really?
Here's the
administration email that they're responding to. Sure it's Yale and the Skull and Bones guys will probably do blackface or ISIS or whatever but damn, let them hang themselves for it. It's almost as if Administration is afraid that such offensive costumes won't get the criticism they deserve until they hit social media and make the school look bad...
The culturally unaware or insensitive choices made by some members of our community in the past, have not just been directed toward a cultural group, but have impacted religious beliefs, Native American/Indigenous people, Socio-economic strata, Asians, Hispanic/Latino, Women, Muslims, etc. In many cases the student wearing the costume has not intended to offend, but their actions or lack of forethought have sent a far greater message than any apology could after the fact…
There is growing national concern on campuses everywhere about these issues, and we encourage Yale students to take the time to consider their costumes and the impact it may have. So, if you are planning to dress-up for Halloween, or will be attending any social gatherings planned for the weekend, please ask yourself these questions before deciding upon your costume choice:
• Wearing a funny costume? Is the humor based on “making fun” of real people, human traits or cultures?
• Wearing a historical costume? If this costume is meant to be historical, does it further misinformation or historical and cultural inaccuracies?
• Wearing a ‘cultural’ costume? Does this costume reduce cultural differences to jokes or stereotypes?
• Wearing a ‘religious’ costume? Does this costume mock or belittle someone’s deeply held faith tradition?
• Could someone take offense with your costume and why?
Here is a great resource for costume ideas organized by our own Community & Consent Educators (CCEs)
Really? Here's a Pinterest page with officially sanctioned and officially frowned-upon costumes. It's how we train you to be adults!
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:55 pm
by AWS260
My main takeaway from this debacle is that academics are unbelievably long-winded, and that their long-windedness makes them look dumb.
That original email would have been much better-received it had just said "Word of advice: Don't be the asshole who wears a racist costume on Halloween. You know who you are."
As a side note, I wish that someone had said that to the parents of my son's schoolmates. At his elementary school's Halloween bash, I saw one grown-ass white lady dressed as an "Indian princess," and another one wearing a freaking "Chinaman" costume. It was horrifying.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:47 pm
by Rip
Nice to see that even though people say they are convinced that guns and shooting are at epidemic proportions they prove they don't believe that by spending time and effort such important issues as making the world more PC.
Seems all is rosy with the world if people have such time and energy to waste.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:40 am
by gbasden
Rip wrote:Nice to see that even though people say they are convinced that guns and shooting are at epidemic proportions they prove they don't believe that by spending time and effort such important issues as making the world more PC.
Seems all is rosy with the world if people have such time and energy to waste.
You mean like a perceived war on Christmas?
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:47 am
by LawBeefaroni
AWS260 wrote:
As a side note, I wish that someone had said that to the parents of my son's schoolmates. At his elementary school's Halloween bash, I saw one grown-ass white lady dressed as an "Indian princess," and another one wearing a freaking "Chinaman" costume. It was horrifying.
It's cringe inducing for me but not terribly offensive. Typically those costumes will get what they deserve, derision and party murmurs.
The kiddo wanted to be a kokeshi (traditional Japanese doll). I hated that I had to think about it for a second and hated even more that I thought, "Well, she's a quarter Japanese so it should be OK." The whole cultural appropriation danger thing is out of control.
What bothers me is people who think that because they're in costume, anything goes. One year one guy at the bar kept calling me a "beaner." Eventually I had enough and went to put him through the front window and about 8 of his friends jumped up and said, "lighten up, he's so-and-so from Big Lebowski..." (the John Goodman character). I haven't seen it so I believed this paper thin excuse but I asked why he wasn't calling them "beaners" and they didn't have an answer. I went after him when he said it again while they were all scratching their heads trying to figure it out. Unfortunately it got broken up before I could put him through the window.
When was it, last year or the year before when everyone was Walter White or meth-guy-in-hazmat-suit. It seemed that the thing to do was be a dick and act like a two-bit thug.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:04 pm
by hepcat
LawBeefaroni wrote: he's so-and-so from Big Lebowski..." (the John Goodman character). I haven't seen it
This is the part I consider tragic. We should have a movie night at my place for the gaming gang some night.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:11 pm
by Max Peck
hepcat wrote:LawBeefaroni wrote: he's so-and-so from Big Lebowski..." (the John Goodman character). I haven't seen it
This is the part I consider tragic.
Agreed. Nothing is sadder than making a
The Big Lebowski reference, then -- after having to explain it -- getting a "The Big Who-now?" response.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:12 pm
by geezer
LawBeefaroni wrote:AWS260 wrote:
As a side note, I wish that someone had said that to the parents of my son's schoolmates. At his elementary school's Halloween bash, I saw one grown-ass white lady dressed as an "Indian princess," and another one wearing a freaking "Chinaman" costume. It was horrifying.
It's cringe inducing for me but not terribly offensive. Typically those costumes will get what they deserve, derision and party murmurs.
The kiddo wanted to be a kokeshi (traditional Japanese doll). I hated that I had to think about it for a second and hated even more that I thought, "Well, she's a quarter Japanese so it should be OK." The whole cultural appropriation danger thing is out of control.
What bothers me is people who think that because they're in costume, anything goes. One year one guy at the bar kept calling me a "beaner." Eventually I had enough and went to put him through the front window and about 8 of his friends jumped up and said, "lighten up, he's so-and-so from Big Lebowski..." (the John Goodman character). I haven't seen it so I believed this paper thin excuse but I asked why he wasn't calling them "beaners" and they didn't have an answer. I went after him when he said it again while they were all scratching their heads trying to figure it out. Unfortunately it got broken up before I could put him through the window.
So why'd you get pissed off that he was calling you a "beaner?"
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:28 pm
by LawBeefaroni
geezer wrote:
So why'd you get pissed off that he was calling you a "beaner?"
Imagine a bad drunk keep shouting something at you. Now imagine that that he's shouting "nigger" or "beaner." It's a derogatory term intended as an insult (at the very least). That's why.
Why did
he call me a "beaner?" He thought I looked Mexican. He made that clear when he was getting tossed out of the place.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:31 pm
by LawBeefaroni
Max Peck wrote:hepcat wrote:LawBeefaroni wrote: he's so-and-so from Big Lebowski..." (the John Goodman character). I haven't seen it
This is the part I consider tragic.
Agreed. Nothing is sadder than making a
The Big Lebowski reference, then -- after having to explain it -- getting a "The Big Who-now?" response.
Yeah, I almost didn't put that in there. I have friends who, whenever I see them, the first thing they ask is if I've watched it yet.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:21 pm
by geezer
LawBeefaroni wrote:geezer wrote:
So why'd you get pissed off that he was calling you a "beaner?"
Imagine a bad drunk keep shouting something at you. Now imagine that that he's shouting "nigger" or "beaner." It's a derogatory term intended as an insult (at the very least). That's why.
Why did
he call me a "beaner?" He thought I looked Mexican. He made that clear when he was getting tossed out of the place.
Right - of course. So the reason I ask is, (and understand that I'm pointing this out as someone who 100% agrees that the reaction to the Yale email is preposterous), the contention is that seeing a bunch of people in indian princess costumes, or "chinaman" costumes is equivalent to shouting slurs at you, made worse by the fact that society as a whole thinks that you should just chill out and take it.
So in a sense, while I certainly think that gathering pitchforks because an administrator waxed philosophical on what it means to have freedom of expression is insanity, I can comprehend the perspective that seeing a bunch of rich white kids playing dress up with your ethnicity for a laugh can be tantamount to throwing slurs at you. That's all I'm saying.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:40 pm
by LawBeefaroni
geezer wrote:
So in a sense, while I certainly think that gathering pitchforks because an administrator waxed philosophical on what it means to have freedom of expression is insanity, I can comprehend the perspective that seeing a bunch of rich white kids playing dress up with your ethnicity for a laugh can be tantamount to throwing slurs at you. That's all I'm saying.
I don't think she was disagreeing with the sentiment about keeping costumes un-insulting. She was disagreeing with the way they said it. AWS's short version is better. And it's more in line with something you tell adults.
AWS260 wrote:Word of advice: Don't be the asshole who wears a racist costume on Halloween. You know who you are.
Instead they basically said, "Do you know what the words "racism" and "insensitivity" mean? Let us tell you. Then visit our pinterest page for Halloween do's and don'ts! With pictures!"
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:44 pm
by GreenGoo
LawBeefaroni wrote:geezer wrote:
So why'd you get pissed off that he was calling you a "beaner?"
Imagine a bad drunk keep shouting something at you. Now imagine that that he's shouting "nigger" or "beaner."
I once sat at a bar after closing shouting "Barton Fink!" in various intonations and emphasises at a gentleman that only in the loosest terms could be said to resemble said character.
I didn't get my lights punched out, but it was a close thing, and I would have deserved it.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:00 pm
by Rip
Equality at last......
Some states ban smiling in driver’s license photos, but wearing a colander on one’s head is apparently allowed.
A Massachusetts woman this week won the right to wear a colander on her head in her driver’s license photo after citing religious reasons. Lindsay Miller identifies as a “Pastafarian” and member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, which some critics call a parody religion.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... s-license/
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:53 pm
by Isgrimnur
Isgrimnur wrote:Texas Atty Gen
indicted:
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has been indicted on three charges by a grand jury in Collin County, two people close to the case told NBC 5 on Saturday.
...
The grand jury and two special prosecutors have been investigating whether Paxton committed a securities crime by acting as a broker without being licensed.
Paxton admitted he was not registered and paid a $1,000 civil fine last year. He has said he thought that the fine ended the matter.
Oh, and his booking video
can't be released:
The video of Attorney General Ken Paxton's post-indictment booking should not be released, his office has decided, because it would jeopardize the security of the Collin County Jail.
"We find the release of the submitted information would interfere with law enforcement," Assistant Attorney General Kenny Moreland wrote to Robert J. Davis, counsel for Collin County, on October 21. "Accordingly, the sheriffs office may withhold the submitted information."
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Collin County asked the attorney general's office to block the video's release, saying it showed "secured areas of the facility" and revealed "'blind spots' and where, when, and why security cameras move in the facility."
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Based on these concerns, the office said the sheriff could refuse to release the video. Paxton was not involved in making the decision, his staff said, because it would be an obvious conflict of interest.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:12 pm
by LawBeefaroni
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indicted:
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has been indicted on three charges by a grand jury in Collin County, two people close to the case told NBC 5 on Saturday.
...
The grand jury and two special prosecutors have been investigating whether Paxton committed a securities crime by acting as a broker without being licensed.
Paxton admitted he was not registered and paid a $1,000 civil fine last year. He has said he thought that the fine ended the matter.
Oh, and his booking video
can't be released:
The video of Attorney General Ken Paxton's post-indictment booking should not be released, his office has decided, because it would jeopardize the security of the Collin County Jail.
"We find the release of the submitted information would interfere with law enforcement," Assistant Attorney General Kenny Moreland wrote to Robert J. Davis, counsel for Collin County, on October 21. "Accordingly, the sheriffs office may withhold the submitted information."
...
Collin County asked the attorney general's office to block the video's release, saying it showed "secured areas of the facility" and revealed "'blind spots' and where, when, and why security cameras move in the facility."
...
Based on these concerns, the office said the sheriff could refuse to release the video. Paxton was not involved in making the decision, his staff said, because it would be an obvious conflict of interest.
The company he was shilling was called Servergy, who supposedly made energy efficient servers. Among their many claims was that they had a big order from Amazon. That huge deal? One guy who worked at Amazon was promised a free server for his personal use.
McKINNEY — In late 2012, Steven Noonan stumbled onto the website of a company named Servergy.
A computer hobbyist in Seattle whose day job was designing software for online retailer Amazon, he was intrigued by the description of an ultra-efficient computer server. He emailed the company to inquire about specs.
A Servergy vice president wrote back, asking about Amazon’s data centers and whether they could set up a call. Noonan warned he wasn’t inquiring on behalf of Amazon — he just liked messing around with electronics.
But the company persisted, offering to send him a server to test free of charge, and Noonan accepted, he told The Dallas Morning News.
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In early 2013, [Servergy founder and chairman] Mapp emailed investors touting a deal with Amazon. He emailed one investment adviser: “Many BIG exciting updates, including: We just got our first big order from Amazon ...”

Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:17 pm
by Rip
I thought of you guys and grinned as I entered the kitchen at the office and glanced across at the table against the wall. There nestled against the cracker basket standing on end to be prominently displayed was a copy of One Nation by Ben Carson. It was all I could do to resist snapping a selfie with it.
Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:36 pm
by GreenGoo
Rip wrote:I thought of you guys and grinned as I entered the kitchen at the office and glanced across at the table against the wall. There nestled against the cracker basket standing on end to be prominently displayed was a copy of One Nation by Ben Carson. It was all I could do to resist snapping a selfie with it.
You should have. I would have. You still can. Make sure you look like you're reading it and nodding thoughtfully.
