Ukraine

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:41 pm

Jaymann wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:59 pm
Alefroth wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 1:57 pm
Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:51 am Ukrainian officials estimate the number of Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine to be over 13,500, while Russian figures downplay the total to only 498. U.S. estimates combine these different numbers with satellite images and estimates based on intelligence data and set that number to 7,000.

As usual, truth (to be fair, ESTIMATES) is probably in the middle somewhere.
Which is about half what they lost in Afghanistan over 10 years.

Estimates of 14K-21K wounded Russian troops. Even the low number is 10% of their force.
Decimated!

CALLBACK!

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 4:14 pm

Daehawk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:13 pm Heres a new HQ audio video for that catchy Ukraine song Bayraktar . Bayraktar is the Turkish drone the Ukraine uses to pummel Russian assets.

I’ll admit that it’s a catchy tune. Now some people may find it horrifying to celebrate the death of people with a light tune, but you could avoid that by not invading your neighbor and trying to bomb the populace into submission. And I do love the vivid descriptiveness of the Ukrainian language.

Bayraktar…

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:45 pm

Artur has another great video out. Dont let the Patreon ad near the 1/4th mark dissuade you. The video is packed with info.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 6:48 pm

Eenterestink.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:12 pm

I wonder if anyone will be there to pick them up when they return?

Freyland · Post by **Freyland** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 12:07 am

Just more Russian Oligarchs fleeing sanctions.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:10 am

This is a 2-star and one of the most senior leaders in the field in Ukraine.

paulbaxter · Post by **paulbaxter** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:14 am

Old friend of mine got an article published on sorting out truth vs propaganda in Ukraine. Seems like something folks could share with their friends who've bought into the crazier propaganda stuff

here

Hyena · Post by **Hyena** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:08 am

paulbaxter wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:14 am Old friend of mine got an article published on sorting out truth vs propaganda in Ukraine. Seems like something folks could share with their friends who've bought into the crazier propaganda stuff

here

Good God...the comment section in that article is terrifying. I've always heard of Russian bots spreading misinformation, but jeez...that's the first time I have ever witnessed it firsthand.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:26 am

All those medals. Has there been enough conflicts for anyone to obtain so many medals since WW2 for Russia??

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:37 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:08 am
paulbaxter wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:14 am Old friend of mine got an article published on sorting out truth vs propaganda in Ukraine. Seems like something folks could share with their friends who've bought into the crazier propaganda stuff

here
Good God...the comment section in that article is terrifying. I've always heard of Russian bots spreading misinformation, but jeez...that's the first time I have ever witnessed it firsthand.

It's American Spectator - this is unfortunately the norm in the "conservative" space. In fact, I would guess these mostly very well could be actual Americans who bought Russian misinformation hook, line, and sinker and are just repeating it.

If anyone doesn't think it's possible, I'd recommend just watching one or two of Tucker's shows. Just do it to see what its about. The clips don't do it justice. It is awash in lying, Russian sourced misinformation, crank "experts", and frankly it's dangerous. Pretty much every sane sponsor has dropped him for a reason and Fox essentially uses him as a loss leader at this point.

Daehawk wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:26 am All those medals. Has there been enough conflicts for anyone to obtain so many medals since WW2 for Russia??

For Russia? They've been fighting constant actions over the last 30 years. Chechnya. Georgia. Syria. Crimea. Ukraine. Etc. That guy in particular has been behind the "insurgency" in Eastern Ukraine for years.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:55 am

This one says drone attack but its clearly an artillery strike from drone reminiscence.

And another day another commander.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:19 am

Daehawk wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:26 am Has there been enough conflicts for anyone to obtain so many medals since WW2 for Russia??

Honestly?

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 12:20 pm

They are participation medals.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:09 pm

Jaymann wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 12:20 pm They are participation medals.

Likely a literal truth. Participation in the party line.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:18 pm

Theres free Kool-Aid after the slides.

raydude · Post by **raydude** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:41 pm

Operational Attrition of the Russian Army truck fleet. If true, then Russia really will have lost this war due to bad logistics. Late April - Mid May may turn out to be very interesting.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:23 pm

Looking at maps it wouldn't seem far for Ukraine planes to go bomb the Kremlin.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:35 pm

Daehawk wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:23 pm Looking at maps it wouldn't seem far for Ukraine planes to go bomb the Kremlin.

To what end?

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:05 am

Daehawk wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:23 pm Looking at maps it wouldn't seem far for Ukraine planes to go bomb the Kremlin.

The distance isn't the obstacle.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:10 am

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:13 am

raydude wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:41 pm Operational Attrition of the Russian Army truck fleet. If true, then Russia really will have lost this war due to bad logistics. Late April - Mid May may turn out to be very interesting.

6-8 weeks is an eternity when your cities are being bombarded.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 2:43 am

Don't think this has been posted

6 Things NATO Can Do to Help Ukraine Right Now

The tldr version:

1. Train Ukrainian volunteers to use man-portable systems.
2. Facilitate civilian cyber activities.
3. Provide unmanned combat air vehicles.
4. Provide replacement fighter aircraft.
5. Recruit volunteer pilots and ground crews.
6. Support the continuity of government.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 3:20 am

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:23 am

Alefroth wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:13 am
raydude wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:41 pm Operational Attrition of the Russian Army truck fleet. If true, then Russia really will have lost this war due to bad logistics. Late April - Mid May may turn out to be very interesting.
6-8 weeks is an eternity when your cities are being bombarded.

+1. It isn't like the Russians are smashing the cities accidentally. They are evil, brutal realists using whatever works to grind out consessions. And pretty much the only thing working is killing the innocent. With the recent reports of them forcibly relocating Ukrainian citizens as potential hostages this whole thing takes on a new grim element.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:25 am

malchior wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:23 am
Alefroth wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:13 am
raydude wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:41 pm Operational Attrition of the Russian Army truck fleet. If true, then Russia really will have lost this war due to bad logistics. Late April - Mid May may turn out to be very interesting.
6-8 weeks is an eternity when your cities are being bombarded.
+1. It isn't like the Russians are smashing the cities accidentally. They are evil, brutal realists using whatever works to grind out consessions. And pretty much the only thing working is killing the innocent. With the recent reports of them forcibly relocating Ukrainian citizens as potential hostages this whole thing takes on a new grim element.

Carpet bombing is a war crime. Unless you do it very slowly, apparently.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:03 pm

Throw rug bombing.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:08 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote:As mentioned upthread, I think it's probably a lot more likely that
1. The idea of "a" Putin lines right up with their values, and
2. trying to boost ratings and/or press, depending on which far right wing nutjob you're talking about.

Probably very little actual kompromat or direct dealings with Russian operatives (Trump himself is a different matter). But who really knows.

However, things we know:
MTG and Tucker are attention whores.
The patriarchal, white, strongman, nationalist figure appeals to both of them (unless Tucker is COMPLETELY just playing a role on his show, which would not surprise me at all).

They all but say "I WISH WE HAD AN AUTOCRACY HERE RATHER THAN THE MESS WE HAVE"

Putin lines up with their politicians greed. Look no further than the fact that the Russians only sanctioned democrats as response.

xwraith · Post by **xwraith** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:44 pm

Via The Guardian

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 2:08 pm

xwraith wrote:

Via The Guardian

Wait for it..

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xwraith · Post by **xwraith** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 2:11 pm

Close quarters anti-tank combat

Spoiler:

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 3:11 pm

My favorite hot take of the day:

The Russians are losing so many generals they’re gonna have to call up Mike Flynn from the bullpen.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:32 pm

That's a good one.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:35 pm

xwraith wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:44 pm

Via The Guardian

BAMski!

(Posted in videos thread yesterday.)

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:11 pm

Reports are rolling in that the Russians may have finally decided that they can not progress and have begun to indiscriminately shell Kyiv. Apparently missiles and other long ranges fires have been steadily hitting the city for the last 45 minutes.

xwraith · Post by **xwraith** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:04 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:35 pm
BAMski!

(Posted in videos thread yesterday.)

Great minds think alike?

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:10 pm

The Russians are demanding surrender in oh... *4 hours* or they'll charge Ukrainian defenders with war crimes calling them bandits.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 8:12 pm

If they start murdering civilians face-to-face (as opposed to via long-range fires), the world will torch the remainder of Russia's economy. They can't even count on China for a lifeline at that point, as there's too much for China to lose by not joining in.

FWIW, the Russians have issued statements like this in every one of their post-1991 wars. It's just that normally the rest of the world isn't looking in.

Dogstar · Post by **Dogstar** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 8:39 pm

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:34 pm

malchior wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:11 pm Reports are rolling in that the Russians may have finally decided that they can not progress and have begun to indiscriminately shell Kyiv. Apparently missiles and other long ranges fires have been steadily hitting the city for the last 45 minutes.

Is there anything that we can do to counter this short of engaging Russia militarily? Sanctions (public and private) can be stepped up (apparently LG announced that they won't sell into Russia anymore). We can provide more military equipment. But if Russia remains determined to keep this up...what can we do? Anything that we can provide Ukraine that would help them better target artillery / missile launchers?