Divine Relics - Stessier has the clap - Day 7

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:28 pm

I'm going to go ahead and vote Scoop

Check back later.

META: Kid's are on spring break this week. So some days I may be absent for a while.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:14 pm

gonna watch the laker game, close to being done going through thread..on p. 72. after laker game will post...though might be a bit...lots of stuff...sorry to take so long...but been at it all morning.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:51 pm

still working on it, will post soon hopefully.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:34 pm

/walks up carrying a bunch of papers
/Mr. Bongko follows him a step behind, with a piece of paper in his mouth

"ah gentleman, thanks for waiting. I have done much digging. And your patience is about to be rewarded"

ok up front this is going to be extremely long...basically what i did is that i went through the whole thread and paid attention to Scoop, lassr, rev, and proner. I was looking for things that caught my eye. It kind of evolved to also include actions.

Notes:
1. i paraphrased some of it to shorten it, but tried to stay true to the meanings of the poster.

2. Things that are in parentheses, are things that I am commenting on, not the posters words

So without further ado, here we go.

p. 4
-Lassr begins discussion of previous nights kill, Lassr was corrected in terms of roles by baktosh

p.5
-Rev enters conversation with humor...1,2,3, not it..was a double post

p.6
lassr jokes questioingin regarding lynch grund
-proners votes grund mentioning he would be a great conversion (was he trying to get grund lynched subtly?)
-lassr states that Grund is not a good choice for conversion (why is that lassr?)
- Rev & Bongko
-Lassr is paranoid re: Remus and powers

p.7
Scoop does post count, questions remus indecent offer (throwing suspicion?)
-lassr & scoop unsure re: hidden powers (what were you guys trying to figure out - the two vote thing? judas? did you know cretans?)
-scoop presents a case v. remus
-Scoop makes a comment on "the 2 unknown powers" - (why only 2, werent there three- judas, staff of twofold, and cretan)
-scoop backs off his analyzation of remus
-lassr unsure of powers, cautious
-lassr points at scoops hidden powers comment

p.8
scoop responds not demonize
scoop states unagi is defensiveness, seeks opinion from others
-Lassr - states remus doubt he is a bad guys, wouldnt pull that stunt
-lassr quote "taste bad"
-lassr wonders where Rev is, wonders where Newc is

p.9
-CR states Rev is at work
-Rev responds - states Remus is probably fishing
-lassr states Unagi is getting his grund cherry popped
-Scoop remus is probably fishing, and he is a distraction, and that he wont vote remus

p.10
-Scoop - willing to vote to vote unagi, but wants info from Grund
-proner thinks its foolish to kill remus, thinks remus innocent

Rev - the unknown powers worry him, one good guy unique, 1 bad guy (Math here doesnt add up (there are 2 unknown bad guys, and 1 unknown good)

lassr - maybe sees what grund and remus sees
-Scoop - curious re: grund; why unagi?
Lassr - wants to hear Grunds reasons

p.11
Scoop - unhappy with grund & remus re: unagi
Lassr - partially analyses unagi, re: Grunds accusations; states cant see the Grund accusation
Scoop - Lassr is fishing for a Grund bandwagon?

p.12
-Scoop suspects Lassr (votes for him here i believe)
-Lassr defends scoops accusation
Proner - Grund is acting fishy
Lassr accuses scoop

p.13
Scoop withdrawss his lassr vote, votes grund

p.14
Rev hops on teh unagi bandwagon, cites Unagi's change of behavior (interesting, very interesting)
Scoop begins the vote for me campaign

p.15
Proner - dubious Re: Grunds claim
Rev - digs into unagi, truicy is quiet, says in his gut that Truicy is a bad guy,

p.17
Scoop - if unagi bad guy I will eat my moldy hat; asks for people to vote scoop & grund
lassr votes Remus, he doesnt trust GRund's evidence
Proner votes grund

p.18
Scoop - Why giving Grund a free pass; people are following with nothing

p.19
Proner - waiting on Grunds response
Scoop votes Unagi

p.20
Lassr could vote for unagi if he was at 8

p.21
Rev sets on Unagi - feels as if he is a bad guy
Proner stays on Grund

p.22
Proner requests proof
UNAGI - requests votes removed from self, says he has a relic
REV stays on Unagi, he checked in at this point, but left (work i assume) before Unagi stated he had the sword. (why is that rev? why not be cautious)

23.
Scoop doubts Unagi

p.24
Proner withdraws from Grund - scepter reveal
- Scoop doubted Unagi because Unagi didnt defend himself

p.27
Rev withdraws Unagi, he is hesistant on Remus, says REmus is fishing
- Scoop offers self to be sacrificed
Rev - posts list of facts that lead to the deadlock (squirrel-naps Mr. Bongko - which in itself is a grievous crime

)

p.29
Lassr Votes Truicy
Rev bugged by Truicy, saying that he left the votes in a deadlock (Why the rush Rev)

p.30
Scoop - asks not to be scanned

p.31
Proner revotes Grund due to Grunds Unagi vote

p.32
lassr keeps votes on Truicy
Rev - wants questions answered from Truicy

Grund blocked at night
Baktosh killed

p.34
Scoop - ring dont scan me, waste of scan

p.36
Proner points out Remus west's "baktosh vote"

p.37
Scoop doubts GRunds claim
Lassr - discusses the blocking power

p.38
Scoop gets frustrated re: stessier's comments
Lassr thought Grund Hilted
Rev - doesnt know why baktosh, says was going to pull his truicy vote (thought you said you had a gut feeling bout him Rev?)

p.39
Rev wanted to be cautious with teh sword
-Scoop answers question in thread with quote from ruleset re: cretan's power
Scoop votes lassr

p.41
Scoop votes Triggercut (following grund)
Proner - cant figure anything out

p.42
Proner was asking about the pwoer of the over voter, discusses Cretan's power as "relic blocking" or specific relic ie the hilt (in hindsight we know this was global, so was he purposefully obfuscating things?)

p.43
Proner - Grund could be faking it, though a small % chance; retracts a previous statement re: blocked power
-lassr doubts grunds ability to spot bad guys this game
Lassr willing to be tested

p.44
Scoop suspects Lassr (why?), then votes CR
Rev willing to help on the test
Lassr interacts with CR re: the testing
CR to lassr "getting cold feet"
Scoop withdraws CR vote

p.47
Lassr votes for Trigg
CR & Lassr interact
Rev - accuse Newc because of his "safe" vote on Scoop; Newc not willing to break the deadlock (** this bugs me and will address it later on)

48
Test comes up

52
Lassr doesnt believe Triggs claim of staff

p.53
Proner posts a winky re: Unagi's "neat" comment

54
LAssr thought Grund be protected

55
Rev claims that Grund contacted him, said he would follow his (grunds) lead, Rev says to test CR, then CR and Rev banter
Rev votes CR

57
Proner - says rush to judgment is evil
Rev posts list that leaves out scoop, his lists includes "unknown players"

58
Proner has suspicions

Rev withdraws accusations, then suspects Newc
Rev doubts CR's Mason claim
Proner votes for Kraeggor cites warning bells

59
Scoop doubts mason claim
rev - look at remus, lassr, and newc

60
Rev Accuses Remus (accuses him this day, but then hesitates to vote for him the next day?)

62
SEER Kraeggor comes out
Proner votes CR
Lassr - wait on voting till all show up
Lassr rebuts Remus accusation, thinks remus and scoop are in cahoots

Rev - says time to outs self as a simple priest, thinks lassr and proner are evil, said he purposefully messed up his lsit to exclude scoops (oh really?)

p.63
Rev - doesnt suspect Newc, but thinks then leans toward Remus and Lassr, he then says that remus converted CR
-Rev votes for CR, then leaves for work
- CR says fools, confirming his role

p.64
lassr - says he pulled voting from CR to wait for everyone to show up.
proner - evil right ? Unclear on Austins writeup

lassr - hope get roles from write up, but obvious CR was cretan

SCoop & lassr interact

p.66
Kraeggor dies at night

Lassr - "frames" remus in a mortoned quote from austin

Lassr - says REmus or Scoop are legion - says legion would play upfront as in their style

proner - votes remus, withdraws remus - asks "Why do you tink i am bad?" to Remus

Scoop votes Remus early on (with no reason)

67
Scoop - asks Unagi if he has any remaining powers, Scoop says that remus defends me then attacks me

68
Rev - says that i have stood by my feeling that remus is innocent (didnt he vote for him the previous day?); yet feels as if remus or scoop needs to be tested, but will vote for remus

Scoop - changes his mind, says good voting candidate; says people not looking at anyone else.
Scoop - withdraws the remus vote

69
Rev - Remus vote a distraction, predicts Sean next kill, unagi is my absolute trusted; adds later zurai, stessier, sean

proner - remus wants to die; why is that? is he innocent or a demon with a nasty power.

Rev- suspects Scoop and Lassr, suspects scoop = legion, lassr = balaam; if remus turns out innocent

Lassr - posts small suspects list; counters rev
Scoop - vote for me, its a miss on remus

Proner - votes on remus

p.70
Scoop - wont vote for remus because it implicates me, after unagi urges him, scoop votes for remus, asks to be killed at night

Remus dies -

Scoop -reacts to death, says didnt feel right. suspects lassr, rev and proner (why not newcastle?)

rev- states he focuses in on 1 guy to make jokes with (this in reaction to Sean's accusation re: Newc's Bongko and Rev)

p. 71

Lassr - brings up suspects lists - scoop, rev, newc, proner

Scoop - explains gut feeling re: trust in newcastle - was challenged by Unagi in terms of not including Newc

Rev - accuses Newc of being balaam; (uses a oddly placed "we" in terms of converting CR)

Lassr - States thinks Rev due to change of behavior

Rev -states in my gut felt that REmus was innocent. Then says "a bad remus would kill Cr, not convert him,. (This is in direct contradiction of what he had said earlier, around p. 62ish, saying Remus could convert CR)

72
Proner - suspects Newc. says bizarre the silent but lurking statement
Rev- explains "we" statement,
Lassr- Said was ready vote for scoop, then remus, then scoop...seemed as if scoop trying to get a bandwagon on Rev.
SCoop - to Lassr 'try to appear reasonable'
Rev- accuses Newc, says no evidence needed; Newc knows he's evil
Rev - states has rivalry with Remus, wouldnt want to kill CR

Scoop - posts on good guy v. bad guy strategy; ie good guy being loud, bad guy being silent;

Scoop questions Newc re: silence and mason forums quoting.

Rev - posts vote history, says look at Proner and newc vote history
Rev- then highlights Newc and Proner's vote history, cites patterns.

Proner - rev you're grasping for straws

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:37 pm

ok that took me a long time, and there are things that i distinctly noticed. Cruise through it, enjoy.

I am going to take a break from this for a bit, but i will post something further later on tonight (am on pacifict time, so might not be till late tonight). Am sure you can see where i am going though.

Oh, thanks Rev, your falsely accusing me...kind of jumpstarted me there.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:59 pm

Holy Moly!

You did it, you actually did it!

Problem is trying to make sure everything you state is how it happened.
I caught one error with me where Scoop said I was "trying to look reasonable".

My suspect was Scoop then Rev then Scoop.

Not Scoop then Remus then Scoop. (Remus was dead at that time).

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:04 pm

Thanks to Newcastle for that walk down memory lane and the last 73 or so pages. I know that's a ton of work.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:16 pm

Votes:

Lassr - Scoop20906
Newcastle
pr0ner
RevHempus71 - Newcastle
Scoop20906
Unagi
stessier
Zurai

Vote Totals:
Newcastle = 1 vote
Scoop20906 = 1 vote

Votes not registered:
Newcastle, pr0ner, Scoop20906, Unagi, stessier, Zurai

Majority is 5 votes.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:28 pm

Some demon combos rolling around in my head.

Legion - RevHempus71
Balaam - Lassr

Notes: If Rev is Legion I feel it is likely Rev would convert Chaos. Also, that damned "We" and his eagerness to get the votes rolling and then Lassr joining him not to long later. Maybe its unrelated, tho.

===

Legion - RevHempus71/pr0ner
Balaam - pr0ner/RevHempus71

Notes: Pr0ner's activity suggestions he has a role, since all priest roles are claimed/uncontested we could conclude... - Most likely pr0ner is Balaam.
===

Legion - Lassr
Balaam - Newcastle

Notes: Lassr is capable of running the show with Newcastle laying low as Balaam. Lassr checks in often enough to not raise suspicion.

===

Legion - pr0ner
Balaam - Newcastle

Note: Could pr0ner be the main baddie? Someone pointed out he was pretty chatty early and then seemed to quiet down maybe due to his teammates saying, "shush". Not sure about this one.

===
Well, following the Triggercut principle, Lassr's vote for me makes me suspect him greatly but I have been leary of him almost the whole game. Of course, I know I could be wrong, but right Lassr is WRONG so his vote isn't doing him any favors.

Pondering...

RevHempus71 · Post by **RevHempus71** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:57 am

Withdraw Newcastle, I need to think a bit more.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:05 am

The "Reasons for Innocence" are how I interpret the Priest's claim. The "Vote" category will eventually list the votes in order from Today only (but not withdrawals). Just a handy cheat sheet for the Trusted to refer back to.

Cheat Sheet

Priest: Scoop
Reason for Innocence: Crazy poster
List in Order: Lassr, Rev, pr0ner, Newcastle
Vote:

Priest: Newcastle
Reason for Innocence: Boredom
List in Order: Scoop, Lassr, pr0ner Rev (no order yet)
Vote:

Priest: Lassr
Reason for Innocence: Boredom, RL
List in Order: Scoop, Rev, Newcastle, pr0ner (maybe in order?)
Vote: Scoop

Priest: RevHempus71
Reason for Innocence: Self medicating, going his own way
List in Order: Newcastle, Scoop, Lassr, pr0ner
Vote: Newcastle

Priest: pr0ner
Reason for Innocence: None given
List in Order: Newcastle, Rev, Lassr, Scoop
Vote:

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:44 am

So, shall we just throw in the towel and start the next game?

Perhaps we could make a deal with the Demons?

We agree to stop tossing people in the Ring during the day, they agree to stop skinning us alive by night?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:52 am

Thank you Unagi, I thought I killed the game.

I don't think the Divine will like your plan. Why don't we just railroad someone and see what happens? It was kind of fun last time...

RevHempus71 · Post by **RevHempus71** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:54 am

Unagi wrote:So, shall we just throw in the towel and start the next game?

Perhaps we could make a deal with the Demons?

We agree to stop tossing people in the Ring during the day, they agree to stop skinning us alive by night?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:59 am

As much as I think I should vote for Lassr, RevHempus71 has just been suspicious enough for me to consider he is Legion. Plus I am still worried I might be wrong about Lassr.

So, Vote RevHempus71

If we can get a bad guy today, we are in much better shape. Missing today will really put the pressure on.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:02 pm

Votes:

Lassr - Scoop20906
Newcastle
pr0ner
RevHempus71
Scoop20906 - RevHempus71
Unagi
stessier
Zurai

Vote Totals:
RevHempus71 = 1 vote
Scoop20906 = 1 vote

Votes not registered:
Newcastle, pr0ner, RevHempus71, Unagi, stessier, Zurai

Majority is 5 votes.

RevHempus71 · Post by **RevHempus71** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:08 pm

Stess, my self medicating is never a reason for innocents.

My suspects list in order should be. Pr0ner, Newcastle, Lassr, then Scoop. It changed after I started thinking about which players the badguys would want left at the end. It seems to me that Scoop and I (due to our past records) are the most likely to foul things up. I withdrew Newcastle because I find myself voting for him based on the same things I voted on last game( and he was a goodguy then). I am leaning towards testing Pr0ner and Lassr first.

Thoughts?

RevHempus71 · Post by **RevHempus71** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:10 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:As much as I think I should vote for Lassr, RevHempus71 has just been suspicious enough for me to consider he is Legion. Plus I am still worried I might be wrong about Lassr.

So, Vote RevHempus71

If we can get a bad guy today, we are in much better shape. Missing today will really put the pressure on.

Just as i am inclined to think you are a goodguy you vote for me when Lassr has a vote on you. What the hell Scoop. Rocket yourself right back up my list.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:15 pm

First I would like to get this one point cleared up:

Newcastle wrote:Lassr rebuts Remus accusation, thinks remus and scoop are in cahoots

I was in Cahoot's all night and I will tell you right now neither Remus or Scoop was there.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:22 pm

Newcastle, I don't know where you were going with your long walk down memory lane, you never gave us the promissed follow-up.

Who ya gonna vote for, who would be next on your list?
Let's here it.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:23 pm

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:23 pm

Thanks for the info, Rev.

Cheat Sheet - Updated

Priest: Scoop
Reason for Innocence: Crazy poster
List in Order: Lassr, Rev, pr0ner, Newcastle
Vote: Rev

Priest: Newcastle
Reason for Innocence: Boredom
List in Order: Scoop, Lassr, pr0ner Rev (no order yet)
Vote:

Priest: Lassr
Reason for Innocence: Boredom, RL
List in Order: Scoop, Rev, Newcastle, pr0ner (maybe in order?)
Vote: Scoop

Priest: RevHempus71
Reason for Innocence: Self medicating (not a reason), going his own way
List in Order: pr0ner, Newcastle, Lassr, Scoop
Vote: Newcastle

Priest: pr0ner
Reason for Innocence: None given
List in Order: Newcastle, Rev, Lassr, Scoop
Vote:

RevHempus71 · Post by **RevHempus71** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:25 pm

Scoop via the triggercut principle. Lassr has an active vote on you yet you point at me???? To ignore that worries me.

RevHempus71 · Post by **RevHempus71** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:26 pm

Sorry for messing up your cheat sheet again Stess......

RevHempus71 · Post by **RevHempus71** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:30 pm

Guys I will be at work from 2 - 10 today.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:33 pm

RevHempus71 wrote:Sorry for messing up your cheat sheet again Stess......

That's evidence enough for me, Mr. Evil.

Edit: missed emoticon

RevHempus71 · Post by **RevHempus71** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:51 pm

stessier wrote:
RevHempus71 wrote:Sorry for messing up your cheat sheet again Stess......
That's evidence enough for me, Mr. Evil.

I sure hope not.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:05 pm

pr0ner and Newcastle, you both owe us a .

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:08 pm

patience young padwan

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:13 pm

i also noticed an error in my long ass post...or at least i cant seem to find something I had referenced too, so will be clearing that up as well.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:19 pm

Newcastle wrote:i also noticed an error in my long ass post...or at least i cant seem to find something I had referenced too, so will be clearing that up as well.

I saw 2 (nothing horrid)

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:28 pm

Newcastle wrote:patience young padwan

But I was hoping to make it to Tashi Station before the next game started!

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:29 pm

Unagi wrote:
Newcastle wrote:i also noticed an error in my long ass post...or at least i cant seem to find something I had referenced too, so will be clearing that up as well.
I saw 2 (nothing horrid)

It's relevant to my post upcoming.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:36 pm

Votes:

Lassr - Scoop20906
Newcastle
pr0ner
RevHempus71 - Scoop20906
Scoop20906 - RevHempus71
Unagi
stessier
Zurai

Vote Totals:
Scoop20906 = 2 votes
RevHempus71 = 1 vote

Votes not registered:
Newcastle, pr0ner, Unagi, stessier, Zurai

Majority is 5 votes.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:37 pm

RevHempus71 wrote:Scoop via the triggercut principle. Lassr has an active vote on you yet you point at me???? To ignore that worries me.

I'm not ignoring Lassr I'm just not sure about him. I feel you are Legion which is why I voted for you. I really hope I am right.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:56 pm

RevHempus71.

By the way, Mr. Toker, you are so entirely wrong about me.

A vote for me is a wasted vote!

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:58 pm

I would like to ask Zurai and stessier not to vote anyone 'over' until we all get to discuss what our suspected priests came up with.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:04 pm

Unagi wrote:I would like to ask Zurai and stessier not to vote anyone 'over' until we all get to discuss what our suspected priests came up with.

Who, me?

I want to hear Newcastle so we can start discussing again. This is like watching paint dry.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:12 pm

Just being precise. still working on it stessier. I had basics written down last night, but I am digging up the quotes and links and all that good stuff then cross checking them. Trust me its coming. Just being thorough is all.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:23 pm

Votes:

Lassr - Scoop20906
Newcastle
pr0ner - RevHempus71
RevHempus71 - Scoop20906
Scoop20906 - RevHempus71
Unagi
stessier
Zurai

Vote Totals:
Scoop20906 = 2 votes
RevHempus71 = 2 votes

Votes not registered:
Newcastle, Unagi, stessier, Zurai

Majority is 5 votes.