Divine Relics - Stessier has the clap - Day 7

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:46 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:Votes:

Lassr - Scoop20906
Newcastle
pr0ner - RevHempus71
RevHempus71 - Scoop20906
Scoop20906 - RevHempus71
Unagi
stessier
Zurai

Vote Totals:
Scoop20906 = 2 votes
RevHempus71 = 2 votes

Votes not registered:
Newcastle, Unagi, stessier, Zurai

Majority is 5 votes.

Corrected

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:48 pm

Newcastle wrote:Just being precise. still working on it stessier. I had basics written down last night, but I am digging up the quotes and links and all that good stuff then cross checking them. Trust me its coming. Just being thorough is all.

Newcastle @ 11:00 ?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:49 pm

That was just killin you, wasn't it?

But, I am a priest and if you guys kill me, then you are really screwed tomorrow.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:57 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:That was just killin you, wasn't it?

But, I am a priest and if you guys kill me, then you are really screwed tomorrow.

Just looking after you.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:05 pm

Wow, a couple of the big mouths die off and Boom, the thread goes dead. Stessier, you are really suprising me this game with how quiet you.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:06 pm

Unagi wrote:
Newcastle wrote:Just being precise. still working on it stessier. I had basics written down last night, but I am digging up the quotes and links and all that good stuff then cross checking them. Trust me its coming. Just being thorough is all.
Newcastle @ 11:00 ?

Well, once Newcastle finally posts he will most likely vote as well. I'm interested to see what he thinks.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:08 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:Wow, a couple of the big mouths die off and Boom, the thread goes dead. Stessier, you are really suprising me this game with how quiet you.

We (Ye Old Trusted) agreed to be silent while the rest of you show your true colors on who to Ring Toss. Beyond today, I don't think I have been quiet at all. True, you've only been able to see half of my conversations, but even at that I've been chatty. Wouldn't you say I had at least a little part to play in yesterday's Ooppsie?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:09 pm

Zurai, you around? Pr0ner? Anyone?

ECHO Echo echo echo echo ...

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:11 pm

stessier wrote:Wouldn't you say I had at least a little part to play in yesterday's Ooppsie?

Get your own damn Ooppsie.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:12 pm

stessier wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:Wow, a couple of the big mouths die off and Boom, the thread goes dead. Stessier, you are really suprising me this game with how quiet you.
We (Ye Old Trusted) agreed to be silent while the rest of you show your true colors on who to Ring Toss. Beyond today, I don't think I have been quiet at all. True, you've only been able to see half of my conversations, but even at that I've been chatty. Wouldn't you say I had at least a little part to play in yesterday's Ooppsie?

You did. I just seem to remember you did alot of your thinking out loud in the main thread which I like to do as well although it seems to make people suspicious of me. How the hell do you get away with it?

You know you just set up yourself up the next time you have to participate in two forums.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:13 pm

Unagi wrote:
stessier wrote:Wouldn't you say I had at least a little part to play in yesterday's Ooppsie?
Get your own damn Ooppsie.

True, Unagi owns the Ooppsie, heart and soul. When will you learn to listen to me, Unagi?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:30 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
Unagi wrote:
stessier wrote:Wouldn't you say I had at least a little part to play in yesterday's Ooppsie?
Get your own damn Ooppsie.
True, Unagi owns the Ooppsie, heart and soul. When will you learn to listen to me, Unagi?

Oh please, I had quotes and links and was practically foaming at the mouth. Unagi is just trying to steal my thunder.

Scoop20906 wrote:How the hell do you get away with it?

An honest face and Southern charm.

Probably doesn't hurt that I've never been Evil...

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:34 pm

stessier wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:How the hell do you get away with it?
An honest face and Southern charm.

Probably doesn't hurt that I've never been Evil...

This was the first game where I thought something was really ODD with you. Its good you turned out mason, tho, because your lack of "Stream of Concience" posting was really odd. Also, Chaos set you up with that "OOPS, I messed up and posted in the wrong forum" outing. Seriously, I would never believe you would make a mistake like that.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:41 pm

*warning a long ass post coming up ahead*

/walks up to the group,
/drinks a bit of his coffee

"My apologies, I seem to have fallen asleep earlier, anyhow….
/looks over to Rev

"Oh, here comes the rub Rev."

All the digging that I did, Rev here started setting off some pretty big alarm bells. He right now is suspect numero uno for me."

Ah where to begin:

“Only looking for two”

Check this link out - http://www.octopusoverlords.com/phpBB2/ ... 31#1211531

Early in the post he said that conversion was probably achieved, and cites the 4 bad guys..But then, then he says later on…..he was only looking for 2? Why not 3? But earlier in that post, he said that conversion had probably been achieved….hmmm? What happened to number 3 Rev?
This was the big post of his without the enter key.

The Unagi Bandwagon -

Rev hops on to the Unagi bandwagon -
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/phpBB2/ ... 53#1212753

Rev provides more reasoning as to why he his hoping on the bandwagon (change of behavior)
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/phpBB2/ ... 39#1213639

Rev - pretty much followed the bandwagon here on Unagi. He said that there was a change of behavior. Of course there would be Grund is laying into Unagi....Grund can easily put you on the defensive. And yes your tone will change. Also at that point no real evidence that Grund had presented. Rev was supporting his accusations via behavior that had changed due to Grunds accusations. Grund’s evidence V. Unagi was at best….paltry. Go with the flow young man,

Now on p. 22 when Unagi reveals he has the sword and requests the votes to be removed...this here is Rev's response

http://www.octopusoverlords.com/phpBB2/ ... 84#1215084

RevHempus71 wrote:
Unagi wrote:I shucks, I just realized I could have help you all with this vote a long time ago.

I am a RELIC HOLDER.

The kind that can prove himself.
Ok then.........

Then he leaves for the day - I bring this up, because he leaves his vote on Unagi. To his credit he does remove it albeit later. BUT…..If you just had a relic bearer self out - wouldn't you want to give them a bit of safety?

The unknown fiasco -

P. 56 http://www.octopusoverlords.com/phpBB2/ ... 99#1221799

Look at this list in it Rev lists the people as "10 players with 3 badguys
7 unknown players"

Am simply curious "why are they unknown" - Perhaps in your demon brood weren't able to figure em out? This is really not in itself all the damning; however, one more thing. Notice the curious omission of Scoop? Well originally it was, but Rev went back and edited his post.

Why was Scoop not in the unknown? What did Rev know about Scoop?

Here is the original as quoted by Remus -
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/phpBB2/ ... 30#1221830

(Remus caught it, then CR quoted it (kind of had to didn't he..Kraeggor hadn't outted him yet)

)
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/phpBB2/ ... 14#1221814

(REV - YOU HAVE TO STOP EDITING YOUR POSTS!)

Then he starts to scramble a bit -

He first cites using Scoop as the list then (p.57)
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/phpBB2/ ... 24#1221924

"Scoop was missing because I copy/pasted his last list. Sorry I overlooked him not being there."

And then he says this (italics are added by me)-

RevHempus71 wrote:Well, I think it is my turn to out myself and my play as of late.
First I am an unpowered Priest. I was intentionally messing up my posts earlier(Austin has a PM you can see in the spoilers later). I left off Scoop and messed up my numbers to seem like I knew something more than I was letting on. It was a ploy I told Grund but our conversation was ended before we could work out any details. I think I did the right thing to try and buy more time for our specials.
Now on to the fun stuff. Chaosraven will get my vote once he has a chance to check in. After him I feel that Lassr and Proner are most likely Balaam and Legion. However that is not to rule out Newcastle and Scoop but they just don't give me the badguy heebie jeebies that much. So it looks like we (the goodguys) have this one.
Well done Kreagor, I knew there was a reason I liked your style.
Zurai kudos to you as well. Now lets slay some Demons..... Hoorah

So it was a ploy then right?

REMUS

Early on day 1 you said this bout Remus -
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/phpBB2/ ... 31#1213331

RevHempus71 wrote:Sean, Yes current vote supercede previous vote, even if the withdrawl was forgotten. Also being one who knows Remus and Chaos in RL. I have to say it is hard to get a solid "read" on them. They are both a couple of snarky bastages.

On p. 27 he says he's hesitant to vote for Remus because he thinks he's innocent
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/phpBB2/ ... 56#1215656

here
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/phpBB2/ ... 74#1222074

Then Rev changes a bit -
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/phpBB2/ ... 74#1222074

RevHempus71 wrote:
stessier wrote:Much.

So who are your new suspects?
what makes you so sure I have new suspects. I don't have any real reason to believe you ar Chaos about your Masonry.
But if you are asking who my suspects are IF you and Chaos are Masons.... I would be looking at Remus, Lassr, and Newcastle. This is not meant to count out Kreagor, Scoop, Pr0ner,and Zurai though.

Now Rev is hurt that Remus suspects him and now has to vote for him
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/phpBB2/ ... 76#1222176

RevHempus71 wrote:
Remus West wrote:
Unagi wrote:
Remus West wrote:Unagi, care to share what made you say you trust RevHempus71?
I'd be happy to if you could tell me why it would be relevant. Seems like a weird question to ask a trusted player.
What does your being trusted have to do with it? I do not trust Revhempus71. At all. You do. Thats why I asked, if you saw something that makes him trustworthy then you should share it so we all can judge its worth because I am sorry but I will not blindly follow the "trusted". Not gonna happen.
At all, remus..... I'm hurt.
Now I find this odd since I have openly stated I thought your "indecent proposal" was just mere fishing trip. I thought that would have given a goodguy Remus a little reason to "trust" me. However as a badguy Remus wouldn't "trust" me at all. So that being said, Remus just which one of the badguys are you.... Legion or Cretan?

Now he is starting to suspect Remus & Lassr
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/phpBB2/ ... 79#1222779

RevHempus71 wrote:I have been re-reading and re-thinking a couple things. Chaos as Cretin makes me wonder a bit about Remus. I am leaning more towards Remus and Lassr being the other 2 badguys. I mean if Chaos was pulling "the cup in front of you" to Stess, why not Remus try it with the rest of us.....

Thoughts?

Interesting Rev isn't sure now if Remus is guilty, but "he stood by it" (why the vote the previous day), but he is willing to test Remus -
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/phpBB2/ ... 17#1224217

RevHempus71 wrote:Sean I have stood by my feeling that Remus isn't really bad. I have been swayed a bit by how he keeps trying to push me to the front as a suspect, Triggercut principle says since I know I am innocent then he would have to be bad. I just don't feel it fully though. I am very suspicious of scoop though, and feel he needs to be tested as well. I believe one of those two need to be tested today. However, I will vote with the trusted if they deem Remus the larger distraction.

That is cold – you think he is innocent, but you are willing to test him…well if the trusted want him to vote that way. “as well”?
If Remus is innocent then we need to test the following
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/phpBB2/ ... 56#1224356

RevHempus71 wrote:
Remus West wrote:
Sean, Minister of KtSP wrote:
RevHempus71 wrote:Unagi any thoughts from you?
I think Unagi has made his thoughts clear enough. He wants Remus today.

I think Remus and Scoop are both trying to play with our heads now.
I'm actually trying to get killed to clear up that exact issue. Would you go ahead and vote for me. Yes, you are going to get an innocent result. That doesn't matter. What matters is how you use that knowledge.
And based on what I am seeing. Should Remus be an innocent priest my top 2 suspects will be Scoop#, and Lassr. disclaimer...not necessarily in that order

Just how did you know he was going to be innocent? Gut? A long standing feeling? Or that he accused you? Hmm.

CRETAN

http://www.octopusoverlords.com/phpBB2/ ... 07#1222807
The CR vote - now we know Kraeggor was the seer, beyond a doubt. And this part is rather interesting…. He said he was going to wait for a response and then vote for him. But ya didn't. Rev voted for CR before CR's response. Why was he so sure of his guilt? The implication is clear, Rev had to be on that vote. This is what I am getting at - Did he know ahead of time? He KNEW he had to be on that vote, he knew Kraeggor was right.

WEEEEEEEE!

Rev makes a nicely placed "we" comment
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/phpBB2/ ... 80#1225480

- not going to quote whole thing, it's a rather big post

then chalks it up to it being a "ploy"

http://www.octopusoverlords.com/phpBB2/ ... 06#1225606

RevHempus71 wrote:
Unagi wrote:
RevHempus71 wrote:From my knowledge of my innocence that leaves:
Lassr:
Proner:
Scoop#:
Newcastle:
Of these 4 players we who would likely convert Chaos?
Scoop.
Check it out.
Unagi, you were supposed to leave that for the real badguys to point at.....

And sorry nope it was bad editing
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/phpBB2/ ... 40#1225840

RevHempus71 wrote:
Of these 4 players we who would likely convert Chaos
No guys i accidentally left the we in there when i deleted half of a long sentence. I meant to leave the question.... of these 4 players who would likely convert chaos.
The original sentence was.... Of these 4 players we need to think about who would likely convert Chaos, and why they would likely convert chaos. I shortened it after preview and missed a word. That is all that really happened. The "it was meant to play with badguys" was sarcasm.
The blue parts are what I deleted or at least meant to. Th original post had a list of why I thought Chaos was the convert, but I deleted that stuff too because I felt it was redundant.

So hopefully the reading was worthwhile in summary: his looking for 2 suspects, his joining the Unagi bandwagon and hesitance to remove his vote on a Special, the "unknowns" & scoop, his subsequent wafflings, his flipping between remus innocent/guilty, and then the "we" bit. Each time he made a "mistake", he responded by saying it was a type of ploy. Was it?

I think you all know whom I am going to vote for at the end of the day.

/Mr. Bongko pulls at Newcastle’s robe,
/Newcastle bends over listening to Mr.Bongko, nods head, “One sec..”
/straightens up

“And finally, the charge of Squirrelnapping and unlawful imprisonment of Mr. Bongko. Quite a grievous crime!”

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:46 pm

I realize that I had you guys waiting, but when I went through my notes, I had to decipher my own handwriting a few times. Also then I had to find the quotes and links.

Also, the error I thought was grievous, was not, I couldn't read my handwriting is all.

Am curious to see what you guys think. Also, we might want to wait to hear Rev's response. I am going to vote for him today. But not till tonight.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:06 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:This was the first game where I thought something was really ODD with you. Its good you turned out mason, tho, because your lack of "Stream of Concience" posting was really odd.

Somebody else said this (Unagi? Remus?) and I just don't get it. I guess I have to go back and read my old games and see if I really changed.

Also, Chaos set you up with that "OOPS, I messed up and posted in the wrong forum" outing. Seriously, I would never believe you would make a mistake like that.

That was no setup. That was me making the one Gaffe I told Mr. Paranoid to really worry about. I have multiple windows open all the time and was very good about double checking the site before hitting submit. That was the one time I was multi-tasking in RL and didn't check. I still feel like an idiot for it. Thanks for reminding me...

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:12 pm

Newcastle wrote:I realize that I had you guys waiting, but when I went through my notes, I had to decipher my own handwriting a few times. Also then I had to find the quotes and links.

Also, the error I thought was grievous, was not, I couldn't read my handwriting is all.

Am curious to see what you guys think. Also, we might want to wait to hear Rev's response. I am going to vote for him today. But not till tonight.

Who do you think his partner is?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:17 pm

Is this enough for you Unagi? Can we start the fun again?!?!

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:22 pm

stessier wrote:Is this enough for you Unagi? Can we start the fun again?!?!

Fine with me. (I still need to read that long post though).

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:23 pm

i was hoping he would kelric

I was leaning hard for scoop earlier this week as being one of the evil ones, but my leanings toward him have slid, consequently Lassr and Proner have both moved up. I am still filled with doubt on all of them.

Proner - has played a very quiet game, seeming to pipe up when needed and when accused. (notice when Rev accused him). It's just he hasn't said as much that is concrete that helps shed a light.

Lassr - seems to have played a very deliberate game, cautious almost. He's said a bit, but also was trying to find meat in his thoughts; but none strike me really.

Scoop - He has done a lot to draw attention to himself early in the game, and throughout. He has slid down my suspect list as well. It almost seems as if he has mellowed /shrug.

I noted also in my initial summary post...areas which I found interesting. Rev rocketed up, hence I spent a lot of time digging in to him. I am going to have to go back in there and further analyze how he interacted with the other folks in the suspect pool.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:27 pm

Hi. Been working in the yard all day. Checking in before taking a shower. Then I'll be gone to take the wife and kids somewhere to eat.

I think Newcastle is a little too serious about this game, he must want to win or something.

I'll check back tonight and digest all that has been posted. I just did a quick glance through now to make sure nothing dramatic had happened.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:37 pm

Okay Zurai, you're on. What do you think!

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:53 pm

I already have my vote on Rev so I am good for now. I guess we should wait until later tonight to hear what he has to say.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:58 pm

I'm not sure when I'm getting back on tonight, so I'll just post my list now:

pr0ner
lassr/Scoop
Newcastle
Rev

Is any other trusted even close to that?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:31 pm

I have read everything in Newcastle's post and I must say. I disagree. The analysis is OK, the conclusions I think are deliberately misleading. It also smells a lot like a smear campaign. I have, over just the last few days re-visited my concerns on Revhempus a number of times - and each time I come up with: "Nope, it is just not clicking".

Newcastle's example of when Rev came out from being Grund's contact - Gunning to test Chaos (as it was Grund's request to him to do that). This is not something an evil Rev would do. Also - I totally don't buy into Newcastles point that Chaos called Rev out on his 'List Error', just to stay clean. To accept this, you need to think that the Bad Guys (with three players perfectly hidden) would start that day by 1 claiming that our trusted Grundbegriff wanted to test Chaos, and then Chaos would point out errors in Rev's list?
No. I don't buy this - none of it.

My top suspects (in order) are:

Newcastle
pr0ner
Lassr

I feel that Newcastle or pr0ner is likely Balaam.
I feel that Lassr or pr0ner is likely Legion.

The only way we get to actually have 3 misses is if we hit Once in our first Two tries.
So, lets try and do just that (or Better).
My plan to maximize our misses is to put the two people who I think are most likely to generate a 'Hit' as the first two lynch choices.
Newcastle would be my first shot. (if he dies 'Good', we can take his analysis more to heart, if we don't we'll still have the Newcastle concern hanging over us)
Should I live tonight, tomorrow I would test pr0ner. (and if I die, I strongly suggest we continue to follow this plan.)
I would suggest we follow those two up with Lassr (Lassr, who's been spewing his meta abscences so often in this game, I think it's a hint that he's not evil. If he is evil - oh the shame and headache he will have in future games with that M.O.)

Newcastle's last few days, I feel, were an attempt to create the illusion that he is trying to be very careful, and very helpful... and that he cares about a good-guy victory.

Think people.

To Scoop and Rev:
Yes, I see what both of you see in each other here. Believe me, I do. I think you are both wrong. I've thought a lot about it, and I am fairly satisfied with that. Could I be wrong? Well, I'm human and won't try and insist I am always right, but I have not come to this conclusion lightly, and I do feel good regarding it. I strongly urge the two of you to accept one another.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:14 pm

unagi - ya know i am kind of insulted that you think it's a smear campaign. honestly, i went through this thread and did the best I could to help the temple. It took a lot of time to do that...and to have it reduced to a smear campaign? I dont mind you disagreeing. Honestly, I thought you would be happy to see me giving my all; while I was working on it.... I kept at it, going..."ok the folks need me, the folks need me...". It honestly took a lot out of me, all this weekend i went through it. Time unagi, it took a lot of time from me...that i could have been doing other things. And it's a smear campaign?

My helpfulness is not an illusion Unagi. It is just that, helpfulness. Honestly if you werent a proven good guy, you would have rocketed to the top of my list due to your hastiness yesterday. So i don't see how you can see my actions as being an illusion.

Just really pissed off right now with a lot of parts of this game; i am so close to burnout in these games (yes realize am in the next one, but only because my friends is)...i give it my all, and have it pushed back in my face. Fuck it...

Newcastle

Zurai · Post by **Zurai** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:17 pm

Sorry I've not been around the last couple days. I have been checking in the thread periodically but I've not had the ability to really sit down and pour through everything until now.

I'll be honest with you all: I have no firm suspects. I'm not good at analyzing subtle behavior through text. Heck, I'm not that great at it in person. I'm not bad at analyzing facts, but analyzing insights is a very weak point for me. To top it all off, I'm not very familiar with any of the remaining citizenry, so I don't even have any established patterns to analyze.

That all being said, I have to admit that Newcastle's posts have me interested. He's put an incredible amount of effort into them, and I have a hard time believing that someone would put THAT much time and effort into being a liar. That may be a reflection of myself, I don't know, but it's hard for me to believe it regardless. That does NOT necessarily mean that his conclusion is correct - I'm not condemning RevHempus - but it does mean that I'm disinclined to vote for him at the moment.

Unfortunately, I do not have a firm target to vote FOR. I think it's important to realize that Newcastle | RevHempus is NOT a binary choice. We do not have to choose one or the other, and it's quite possible that they're BOTH innocents.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:31 pm

Newcastle wrote:unagi - ya know i am kind of insulted that you think it's a smear campaign. honestly, i went through this thread and did the best I could to help the temple. It took a lot of time to do that...and to have it reduced to a smear campaign? I dont mind you disagreeing. Honestly, I thought you would be happy to see me giving my all; while I was working on it.... I kept at it, going..."ok the folks need me, the folks need me...". It honestly took a lot out of me, all this weekend i went through it. Time unagi, it took a lot of time from me...that i could have been doing other things. And it's a smear campaign?

My helpfulness is not an illusion Unagi. It is just that, helpfulness. Honestly if you werent a proven good guy, you would have rocketed to the top of my list due to your hastiness yesterday. So i don't see how you can see my actions as being an illusion.

Just really pissed off right now with a lot of parts of this game; i am so close to burnout in these games (yes realize am in the next one, but only because my friends is)...i give it my all, and have it pushed back in my face. Fuck it...

Newcastle

Please pull your vote for yourself, Newcastle.

Newcastle, I know exactly how you feel. You just got done reading and analyzing 70 odd pages of posts and now you feel like someone just tossed it back in your face.

This was exactly my reaction when after I spent all the time early in the game counting posts and analyzing people's plays and you dumped that vote one me. It just pissed me off and I wanted to chuck the whole thing and let everyone else have it.

Also, I have let myself get lead around this game on some important votes, 1st by Grund against Unagi which lead to Unagi being outed and 2nd by Unagi against Remus West which costs us a day and a trusted.

This time I am not changing my vote.

Guess what Unagi, you are wrong. Newcastle is innocent. Do you really believe he is going to analyze 70 pages of posts to throw you off. There are less time consuming way to do throw you off.

Newcastle could be wrong but I am 100% sure he is not a demon. I don't agree with all his analysis but some of it I do.

Thats why I am going with Rev. Rev has made some bad posts then tried to cover it with posts saying he planned it all along. That doesn't make him guilty of being demon but with everything else I have mentioned before, he makes my best candidate for tonight.

Lets hear what Rev has say before we decide to go forward but for now my vote stays with Rev and I asked Newcastle to drop his vote and Unagi to realize he is wrong and pick another candidate.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:42 pm

Votes:

Lassr - Scoop20906
Newcastle - Newcastle
pr0ner - RevHempus71
RevHempus71 - Scoop20906
Scoop20906 - RevHempus71
Unagi
stessier
Zurai

Vote Totals:
Scoop20906 = 2 votes
RevHempus71 = 2 votes
Newcastle = 1 vote

Votes not registered:
Unagi, stessier, Zurai

Majority is 5 votes.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:47 pm

next part -

all the while I was working on it Unagi, you kept on going..is it done yet? is it done yet? seriously look how many times you psoted that..I told you I was working on it, i hadn't forgotten....and all the while I am working on it....and here it goes against your preconceived notions of people...and bam its a smear campaign. At least respect other peoples work dude. there are other reasons also that i am not pleased atm; but i'm going to wait till the end of the game to get into that.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:49 pm

This should help some of you. Those of you who don't believe me, I will be telling you, "I told you so" later:

Possible Demons:
Lassr
pr0ner
RevHempus71

Two of these three are Demons. If we vote out two of these three we will hit a demon which means we can get the 2nd the next day. Winning Strategy!

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Newcastle
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Unagi
stessier
Zurai

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:54 pm

Newcastle wrote:unagi - ya know i am kind of insulted that you think it's a smear campaign. honestly, i went through this thread and did the best I could to help the temple. It took a lot of time to do that...and to have it reduced to a smear campaign? I dont mind you disagreeing. Honestly, I thought you would be happy to see me giving my all; while I was working on it.... I kept at it, going..."ok the folks need me, the folks need me...". It honestly took a lot out of me, all this weekend i went through it. Time unagi, it took a lot of time from me...that i could have been doing other things. And it's a smear campaign?

My helpfulness is not an illusion Unagi. It is just that, helpfulness. Honestly if you werent a proven good guy, you would have rocketed to the top of my list due to your hastiness yesterday. So i don't see how you can see my actions as being an illusion.

Just really pissed off right now with a lot of parts of this game; i am so close to burnout in these games (yes realize am in the next one, but only because my friends is)...i give it my all, and have it pushed back in my face. Fuck it...

Newcastle

Are you serious? Becasue I think you are a bad-guy, you're going to throw a fit now? What the hell?

I'm sorry if I found your evidence to be just shy of the right conclusion.
I'm sorry if I have had you on my list the moment we ran out of 'Specials' to make sense of you silence.
I'm sorry if I am playing this game and decided to vote for you.

OK, you know what Newcastle... I take it all back.

I think it's RevHempus71.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:57 pm

Newcastle,
What do you make of Scoop assigning you 'trusted'?

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:15 pm

Unagi - my displeasure with you is founded in multiple ways; in a sense you were nagging me to get it done......it's like you were impatient....i was working on it; and you kept on asking "is it done yet?" and now that you have it...oh, its a smear campaign!

it's like i cant sate you to get it done quick enough, but once its done...oh, its a smear campaign....wouldn't that get your goat too?

(there is another reason too...but will discuss that afterwards, i think you know what i am refering to)

also unagi.... in these games you will see the bad guys set each other up, argue in front of each other; its not outside the realm that they will point and accuse at each of em. CR is a VERY crafty player and has a lot of experience in these games. I really wouldn't put it past him to stage an argument.

We dont know for sure that Rev was contacted by Grund; he said he was....but we dont know. Grund never disputed because.....oh that's right he was dead.

It very well could be that Grund contacted someone from the bad guys...and then they said hey...let's have Rev say he was contacted by Grund..that will build instant trust.

You bought it didn't you?

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:22 pm

it's just i am frustrated Unagi, very frustrated. And its not personal in any sense...look at it from my view point. ...you work your ass off to get a huge project done...and then...you get rewarded by a big...uhm, F.U....i think you're bad....wouldn't you be frustrated and pissed off?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:22 pm

As my lists show, Newcastle is fairly far down my list of suspects. I read his analysis and while I think he drew the wrong conclusions, I don't see it as a deliberate attempt to mislead. It seems very similar to his other posts while good (some of which I have also seen as misguided). I believe he just thinks differently than I do. All of this is subject to reconsideration tomorrow, but it's going to take a lot more than that to get me to vote for him today.

I could pretty easily switch between Lassr/Scoop/pr0ner today.

I think pr0ner is our best choice though. I can't remember which game it was, but Grund explained that he doesn't post so much because he has very obvious tells whenever he is Special (Good or Bad) and this was the way he compensates. If that is true, I would expect him to come out and be far more helpful once all the Good Specials were out (if he were Good). I've seen other games where he posts a lot...he is not mute and he knows how to use a keyboard. That has not happened in this case, however. He is still using short posts and I think it is to hide something.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:24 pm

Newcastle wrote:Unagi - my displeasure with you is founded in multiple ways; in a sense you were nagging me to get it done......it's like you were impatient....i was working on it; and you kept on asking "is it done yet?" and now that you have it...oh, its a smear campaign!

it's like i cant sate you to get it done quick enough, but once its done...oh, its a smear campaign....wouldn't that get your goat too?

(there is another reason too...but will discuss that afterwards, i think you know what i am refering to)

also unagi.... in these games you will see the bad guys set each other up, argue in front of each other; its not outside the realm that they will point and accuse at each of em. CR is a VERY crafty player and has a lot of experience in these games. I really wouldn't put it past him to stage an argument.

We dont know for sure that Rev was contacted by Grund; he said he was....but we dont know. Grund never disputed because.....oh that's right he was dead.

It very well could be that Grund contacted someone from the bad guys...and then they said hey...let's have Rev say he was contacted by Grund..that will build instant trust.

You bought it didn't you?

Honestly, I am not sure how to even engage you in a conversation right now, nor why you want to engage me in one. I've clearly royally pissed you off somehow, and I feel I've just played the game.

You clearly wanted to be considered innocent, and well - in the interest of good spirits - I'll just do that for ya here. I consider you on the Good-Guy team. There you have it.

(strange game, indeed)

I'll leave it to the rest of you to pick who to test.

May as well be Revhempus.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:31 pm

Unagi wrote: Honestly, I am not sure how to even engage you in a conversation right now, nor why you want to engage me in one. I've clearly royally pissed you off somehow, and I feel I've just played the game.

You clearly wanted to be considered innocent, and well - in the interest of good spirits - I'll just do that for ya here. I consider you on the Good-Guy team. There you have it.

(strange game, indeed)

I'll leave it to the rest of you to pick who to test.

May as well be Revhempus.

Talking would be a good start
just read through what i said is all. You've ticked me off, but not royally...thats hard to do. Consider me bad, good, evil, nice, jimny cricket, a walrus, whatever...it dont bother me...it's your thought process and your game play...

reason i am ticked...i felt like you kept on asking for it and asking..pestering almost...look back to this morning, it seemed like every 30 minutes...you asked is it done yet? then when it's done, its a smear campaign. I just dont like my intentions to be misconstrued like that.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:44 pm

Newcastle wrote:it's just i am frustrated Unagi, very frustrated. And its not personal in any sense...look at it from my view point. ...you work your ass off to get a huge project done...and then...you get rewarded by a big...uhm, F.U....i think you're bad....wouldn't you be frustrated and pissed off?

I'd like to point out that I don't think I was as outwardly rude with my post, as you are implying with the 'F.U'

But. Yes, I can understand your frustration. And as you've said - your frustration with me is founded in multiple ways, so - I can see how this would just push you over the edge. (And I'm honestly sorry I've pissed you off so many ways in this game, I assure you, I honestly hold you in very high regard and you've always treated me and every other player so well in the past, that I'm honestly troubled that I've upset you so much.)

Now, regarding 'the game at hand'...
I've been playing this whole game this whole time. I've put just as much into this as you - just because you took 6 days off, and hence felt you owed it to us to compose a couple of huge posts, doesn't give your effort any special 'status', it's fair game - like everyone elses.

I know you aren't trying to say that I simply must believe you - but if you aren't saying that - what are you saying? I mean, you really just let me have it up there... and all because I wanted to test you first.

How's this Newcastle.
I found Lassr and pr0ner to be just as possibly evil. I wanted to test you First - because I felt we would benefit FROM YOUR ANALYSIS *only* if we could accept it as 'trusted'. You can not become trusted in this game until you are dead. You are a good first test for that very reason. (this was why pr0ner is such a horrible 'first' test... he's a better "Last Test", but I felt that one of the Quiet Players must be Balaam, and hence best to test you and pr0ner before we test Lassr.

There, that's that. I didin't feel you were obviosully 100% Evil, I felt this was the best order to test our untrusted in.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:54 pm

Unagi wrote:I found Lassr and pr0ner to be just as possibly evil. I wanted to test you First - because I felt we would benefit FROM YOUR ANALYSIS *only* if we could accept it as 'trusted'. You can not become trusted in this game until you are dead. You are a good first test for that very reason. (this was why pr0ner is such a horrible 'first' test... he's a better "Last Test", but I felt that one of the Quiet Players must be Balaam, and hence best to test you and pr0ner before we test Lassr.

There, that's that. I didin't feel you were obviosully 100% Evil, I felt this was the best order to test our untrusted in.

I disagree with your reasoning here (but then I guess you already knew that). Testing someone just so you can trust their analysis is crazy. He's not special and has no more insight into the game than any of us. If he's Good, then once he's dead, we'll have exactly the same information he had while he was alive. Why would we put any extra faith in his musings at that point?

And if you really believe in this point of view, why aren't Scoop and Lassr absolute tops on your list? Remus thought they were Evil, he's dead, and he's Good. Or maybe it should be a three way race between Scoop/Lassr/Newcastle since Grund thought Newcastle might have merit like 30 pages ago?